[01:16] <anarkhos> i tried disconnecting the wifi and unloading the wifi modules, because that could make suspend-resume work, but it did not help in this case
[01:25] <holstein> anarkhos: it wont
[01:25] <holstein> anarkhos: its not being triggered to wake up
[01:25] <anarkhos> right
[01:25] <anarkhos> hmm
[01:25] <holstein> its not getting that command
[01:25] <anarkhos> yeah
[01:27] <anarkhos> ill look at the error report again. i get one upon reboot
[01:27] <holstein> you likely get a "dont shut the computer down like that forcefully while its suspended" message
[01:29] <anarkhos> "This occured during a previous suspend and prevented it from resuming properly"
[01:29] <holstein> if its literally not getting the message, and not doing *anything*, its a sleep.. its not going to log anything
[01:30] <holstein> sure.. but, if you are postulating that "this" has occured, thus, breaking suspend, then, suspend should work in the live environment where "this" hasnt happened
[01:30] <anarkhos> "CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'iw'
[01:31] <holstein> i know what i would do
[01:31] <holstein> disable suspend, and enjoy whats left of the hardware
[01:32] <anarkhos> well
[01:32] <anarkhos> ive actually refreshed my linux-mind quite a bit during these attempts at solving the problem
[01:33] <holstein> i actually think its kind of odd that any of it works.. when you think about the process
[01:34] <holstein> i mean, a company makes hardware, states windows support.. and pays professionals to support it.. then, we go and download some software that works on the hardware somehow? thats amazing
[01:38] <anarkhos> yes
[01:38] <anarkhos> well
[01:39] <anarkhos> acer aspire one obviously works well with windows. however, does that necessarily mean that it will not work with linux?
[01:39] <anarkhos> because it sounded like that's what you're implying
[01:39] <holstein> anarkhos: the question is, does acer work with linux? and if they did, it would
[01:40] <anarkhos> in general it works very well with linux too
[01:40] <holstein> anarkhos: all of linux is open. for *anyone* to have, and see.. its open from top to bottom.. all of linux/ubuntu/xubuntu..
[01:40] <anarkhos> even windows has problems sometimes
[01:40] <holstein> so, if anyone, like acer, wants to support it, they can
[01:40] <anarkhos> yeah
[01:40] <holstein> anarkhos: we are not talking about "casual problems".. we are talking about hardware support
[01:40] <anarkhos> right
[01:41] <holstein> anyone can break any operating system. but, what are you dealing with is either broken hardware, or soemthing that acer could address easily
[01:57] <anarkhos> i suppose this is irrelevant:
[01:57] <anarkhos> "This script should work or your money back guaranteed (Joking this is open source project so use at own risk :P ), as it forces the graphic card to reboot itself using a good old kick from chvt1 and chvt7 commands which simulate what I used to do manually using Ctrl + Alt + F1 and Ctrl + Alt + F7 to refresh the GUI. "
[01:59] <anarkhos> by the way, there are 200+mb of updates available for lubuntu now
[02:02] <holstein> i would just try it
[02:02] <holstein> i would have already updated
[02:02] <holstein> i suggested that early on
[02:02] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:02] <holstein> updating is the easiest way to get "Fixes" if there are any
[02:03] <holstein> i assumed, you had done that already
[15:59] <onla_> a linux question
[15:59] <holstein> onla_: you mean, you would like to ask a linux question?
[15:59] <onla_> :)
[16:00] <onla_> anyone know, if I can somehow echo or print or such to a cli the result of a query from glosbe api. It uses web interface, for example  http://glosbe.com/gapi/translate?from=pol&dest=eng&format=json&phrase=witaj&pretty=true
[16:01] <onla_> I only know that there are links, lynx and w3m or such cli web browsers, but
[16:02] <onla_> if I do cat url .. It posts something but not the ingredients of that url
[16:03] <holstein> onla_: i would find other code that is alread doing that at another site.. something for query-ing the weather or time or whatever
[16:04] <onla_> I need a command-line english-tajik-english dictionary, and there are not many options
[16:04] <holstein> onla_: i would try going upstream to a coding, or general linux, or #ubuntu channel or mailing list.. i would ask in the community at the site (if there is one) and see if anyone already  has something
[16:04] <holstein> onla_: im not talking about what you need right now, functionally.. im talking about looking at an already existing application that is doing something similar, and seeing how they do it
[16:05] <onla_> ah
[16:05] <onla_> so there is no innate linux commands
[16:05] <holstein> onla_: i have seen scriprs for conky for example that get the weather, or other things... and dont use a web browser, per se, like that
[16:05] <holstein> onla_: yes
[16:05] <holstein> onla_: ther are *many* commands for doing what you want, and that site is welcome to comply with them
[16:06] <holstein> onla_: are they? i dont know.. but, if i wanted to learn to "scrape" the site for data, i would look at another piece of code.. i would ask in a general linux channel, and a programming community as well
[16:07] <holstein> this is the #lubuntu channel, which is not a bad place to start, but, its specificially for the lubuntu operating system.. you will likely find folks doing what yo uare doing upstream, in a general linux channel
[16:09] <onla_> ok thanks
[16:12] <Gatis> Hi! Tell me, please, shortcut key to switch desktops?
[16:13] <holstein> Gatis: i hold "control" and "alt" at the same time, then use the arrow keys
[16:13] <Gatis> hmm doesn't work
[16:14] <holstein> Gatis: ok.. are you sure you have desktops available? are you sure the keyboard is working?
[16:15] <Gatis> yeah
[16:15] <holstein> Gatis: yeah, what?
[16:15] <Gatis> Yes, sir
[16:16] <holstein> Gatis: you have other desktops? how are you certain? can you switch to them some other way?
[16:16] <Gatis> Yes i have. I see them on Panel GUI :)
[16:17] <holstein> Gatis: sure.. you "see" them.. so, can you actually swtich to them by clicking on them? or mouse wheel? or *any* other way?
[16:18] <Gatis> Yes i can switch them with mouse click and mouse wheel :)
[16:18] <Gatis> I didn't know i can switch using mouse wheel
[18:07] <laki-laki> hellooo
[18:07] <laki-laki> apakah disini ada orang indonesia ????
[18:07] <wxl> !id | laki-laki
[18:08] <laki-laki> nggak ada pengguna lubuntu disana
[18:08] <wxl> laki-laki: i don't speak the language, but they do at #ubuntu-id
[18:09] <laki-laki> oke thanks!!
[18:32] <anex> is anyone else on lxqt?
[18:32] <wxl> anex: might want to move over to #lubuntu-offtopic given it's not officially supported yet. :)
[18:33] <anex> ok thx
[18:36] <anex> i was just wondering who to report broken meta packages too and how i can get involved in testing related things as i have made my own installation iso on arch with lxqt and know it real well https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=14880.0
[19:08] <koell> happy birthday phillw
[19:08] <phillw> koell: thanks :)
[19:09] <koell> xD
[19:09] <wxl> don't make me kick you guys to #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:09] <wxl> although phillw may require support in his advanced agent
[19:09] <wxl> age
[19:09] <wxl> j/k ;)
[19:10] <koell> the next lubuntu release need to have phillw 's house as wallpaper included :D
[19:35] <mhlds> having trouble getting audio out from hdmi in lubuntu
[19:36] <mhlds> pulseaudio volume control does not detect the hdmi
[19:37] <mhlds> but no problem detecting the hdmi in monitor settings
[19:38] <phillw> mhlds: have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147651
[20:32] <koell> what happened to my lubuntu machine? i cant paste into my terminal anymore =(
[20:32] <koell> i use ctrl+shift+v as always but nothing happens
[20:32] <ianorlin> what terminal?
[20:33] <koell> lubuntu default terminal: xterm with zsh
[20:33] <koell> bash dont work too :/
[20:37] <wxl> afaik lubuntu default is lxterminal w/ bash ;)
[20:38]  * genii sips and ponders shift+insert
[20:40]  * wxl agrees
[20:41] <ianorlin> koell if you use a usb mouse you can middle click to paste the selection buffer also xclip is useful for this
[20:43] <koell> i dont like to use the mouse, i just wonder why it worked all the time
[20:44] <wxl> i don't either, thus shift+insert
[20:45] <Unit193> That's the secondary clipboard, what if he wants primary?
[20:45] <koell> ugly keyboard shortcut, shift+ctrl+v is lot of faster as i dont need to leave the home row
[20:48] <koell> oh, it was just me wrong. hit fn+shift+v :D
[20:48] <koell> weird keyboard at work :/
[20:49] <koell> i need to sleepeating..
[21:02] <melodie> hello!
[21:02] <melodie> who can tell me about consolekit in Trusty: not used anymore I would imagine?
[21:04] <holstein> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyMDE , though, you can look and wee more what happened rather than whats coming up, since this is a bit dated
[21:05] <Unit193> lxsession "depends" on it, but logind should be what's used.
[21:06] <melodie> Unit193 can you remind be briefly what are ConsoleKit and Logind roles?
[21:06] <melodie> I used to think there needed to be some "seats" in a user session and not seeing one active makes me feel I am missing something in the picture
[21:14] <Unit193> Well basically, consolekit is deprecated in Ubuntu, so logind stuff is used.
[21:14] <melodie> Unit193 I'll rtfm
[21:14] <melodie> thanks
[21:15] <melodie> but, no man?
[21:15] <melodie> I'll stfw then :D
[21:16] <melodie> logind is what? a package? a process? something else?
[21:17] <melodie> I'll have a look at packages.ubuntu to see what I can find about it
[21:20] <Unit193> Part of systemd.
[21:21] <melodie> Unit193 would that be the package "systemd-services", or the package "libsystemd-login0" then?
[21:22] <melodie> I haven't hit packages.ubuntu.com yet :)
[21:22] <Unit193> dpkg -L systemd-services -> /lib/systemd/systemd-logind, /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[21:48] <melodie> Unit193 thank you!
[21:51] <melodie> Unit193 it appears systemd-services is installed in my Bento Trusty, but if I try to remove ConsoleKit it triggers the removal of a large bunch of packages which are needed for my apps to be there
[21:51] <melodie> and I don't even talk about lxsession which I don't use here