| RAOF | desrt: Hm, WTF? | 00:38 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | desrt: Do dies in gtk_main, in GDK_THREADS_LEAVE. | 00:39 |
| RAOF | desrt: And, amusingly, removing the call to Gdk.Threads.Init() resolves it. | 00:41 |
| RAOF | desrt: So... I don't think that Do is doing anything wrong, per se. If you've got a threaded GTK+2.0 application, you're expected to call gdk_threads_init() (which is what Gdk.Threads.Init() calls) | 00:49 |
| desrt | RAOF: is it calling ENTER before it calls gtk_main()? | 00:52 |
| desrt | because it's supposed to... | 00:52 |
| RAOF | Hm... | 00:53 |
| desrt | this is probably the problem: the new mutex implementation does extra error checking vs. the old one | 00:53 |
| desrt | and it will complain if you try to unlock a non-locked mutex | 00:53 |
| desrt | read: abort | 00:53 |
| desrt | with posix mutexes that would be silently ignored | 00:54 |
| RAOF | Hm. Looks like it doesn't. | 00:55 |
| RAOF | Aha! | 00:55 |
| RAOF | desrt: Thanks | 01:07 |
| desrt | RAOF: sounds like you could use helgrind to verify if you really want.... | 01:08 |
| desrt | that should catch the error even with the old glib version | 01:08 |
| RAOF | Valgrind and friends have a spotty history with mono. I could give it a go, though. | 01:09 |
| desrt | good times. 'do' is in LP | 01:35 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 04:58 |
| pitti | desrt: thanks! | 04:58 |
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| Laney | morning! | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 08:04 |
| darkxst | Hey Laney, seb128 | 08:05 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:05 |
| larsu | morning! | 08:05 |
| Laney | doing okay, looking forward to new monitor arriving | 08:05 |
| larsu | ooh, which one? | 08:05 |
| Laney | currently using a single one like some kind of animal | 08:05 |
| Laney | yo larsu, what up | 08:06 |
| * larsu only uses his laptop. Like an savage | 08:06 | |
| Laney | http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-u2414h/pd | 08:06 |
| Laney | nothing super fancy | 08:06 |
| Laney | not hi dpi or anything | 08:06 |
| larsu | Laney: not much. Didn't even have tea yet | 08:06 |
| * darkxst is looking at 3 monitors and a laptop, like a king | 08:06 | |
| Laney | since, y'know, gtk | 08:06 |
| larsu | looks nice | 08:07 |
| larsu | gtk does hidpi, no? | 08:07 |
| Laney | not per screen | 08:07 |
| larsu | ah right | 08:07 |
| * seb128 only use his laptop but misses his dual monitor config | 08:07 | |
| larsu | I don't miss it at all | 08:08 |
| darkxst | Laney, only on wayland is hidpi per screen possible | 08:08 |
| willcooke | morning | 08:09 |
| willcooke | seb128, do you know who is maintaining Nautilius atm? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | willcooke, define maintaining | 08:09 |
| willcooke | seb128, erm, bug fixes I guess. | 08:10 |
| seb128 | upstream, debian, ubuntu? | 08:10 |
| willcooke | ubuntu | 08:10 |
| seb128 | that would be our "group of gnome packagers" | 08:10 |
| seb128 | e.g robert_ancell Laney larsu me | 08:10 |
| willcooke | FJKong, ^^^^^^^^^^ | 08:10 |
| seb128 | I tend to look after nautilus usually | 08:10 |
| seb128 | but robert_ancell did fix some bugs there as well this cycle | 08:11 |
| seb128 | do you have a specific question? | 08:11 |
| FJKong | seb128: great, thanks | 08:11 |
| seb128 | that might be easier than trying to guess "who is the maintainer" in a universe where we don't have fixed maintainer :p | 08:11 |
| willcooke | seb128, kinda, FJKong is being asked to look at some things for Kylin and we're just working out which is the best option | 08:11 |
| willcooke | seb128, do you know what the file manager will be in U8? | 08:12 |
| FJKong | seb128: NUDT guys want me help them with nautilus or nemo | 08:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, FJKong: I saw that shared documents about nemo/nautilus, didn't really look at it yet | 08:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, not sure, I guess likely the filemanager app we have on the phone, though it has a long way to go before being a feature parity for a desktop filemanager | 08:13 |
| FJKong | seb128: got, but I want to get some comments from you on that | 08:13 |
| FJKong | seb128: if nautilus will be our choice in next version of ubuntu, helping them with Nautilus will be good | 08:15 |
| willcooke | I think we will all benefit from some Nautilus work for the next year or so | 08:16 |
| willcooke | oir | 08:17 |
| willcooke | or | 08:17 |
| willcooke | maybe we think about replacing Nautilus with Nemo on the desktop | 08:17 |
| willcooke | in 15.04 | 08:17 |
| seb128 | yeah, we pondered that and decided to stick with patching nautilus for now | 08:18 |
| seb128 | if that stops being practical we might revisit | 08:18 |
| Laney | I don't think having desktop team members doing bug fixes on parts of our desktop can be bad | 08:20 |
| FJKong | so Nemo is popular in users now? | 08:20 |
| Laney | definitely work on nautilus imho | 08:20 |
| seb128 | Laney, did anyone suggest it's not a good idea? I think we all agree than fixing nautilus bugs is good? | 08:22 |
| Laney | ? | 08:22 |
| seb128 | <Laney> I don't think having desktop team members doing bug fixes on parts of our desktop can be bad | 08:23 |
| seb128 | 08:23 | |
| seb128 | not sure what that was in response to | 08:23 |
| Laney | discussion about whether people should work on fixing bugs in nautilus | 08:24 |
| Laney | "yes" | 08:24 |
| seb128 | well, the discussion is rather "do we want to keep tweaking nautilus, or do we want to look at an alternative like nemo" | 08:24 |
| Laney | is it? | 08:25 |
| seb128 | well, the NUDT team was looking at using nemo | 08:26 |
| seb128 | we sort of did also for trusty | 08:26 |
| darkxst | speaking of nautilus where is didrocks this week? nautilus build is stuck waiting on tracker promotion | 08:26 |
| seb128 | he's on holidays for 10 days or so | 08:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, the issue is that nautilus is axing features and going in a way we don't especially agree with, so we get a stack of non trivial change stacked on top of it | 08:28 |
| seb128 | which is sort of work atm, but not sure it's going to keep working fine | 08:28 |
| seb128 | so it might be easier to share work on nemo, which is a fork, rather than maintaining our own fork-though-patches-stacked | 08:28 |
| darkxst | not to mention every app you guys hold back in the dark ages blocks ubuntu gnome from having the current versions | 08:30 |
| seb128 | that's another topic | 08:30 |
| seb128 | but a known issue as well | 08:30 |
| seb128 | though you overstate it, most of those are 1 or 2 cycles behind | 08:30 |
| darkxst | seb128, gnome-terminal is 3 | 08:31 |
| seb128 | that's not blocked because of csd or unity | 08:32 |
| seb128 | that's a lame example | 08:32 |
| seb128 | it was blocked because of bash issue iirc? | 08:32 |
| seb128 | it's disappointing that you take that one to argue though | 08:32 |
| seb128 | k, moving on to get work done, I'm not interested in trolling | 08:32 |
| darkxst | seb128, I am not trolling | 08:33 |
| seb128 | well, you are taking an example which doesn't apply to the discussion | 08:33 |
| seb128 | that one is blocked not because of Unity or us | 08:33 |
| seb128 | but because of doko/bash/other issues | 08:33 |
| darkxst | seb128, right, anyway our main concern atm is gnome-desktop | 08:34 |
| seb128 | did you talk to robert_ancell about the issues in his changes? | 08:36 |
| darkxst | seb128, no haven't managed to catch him yet | 08:37 |
| seb128 | k | 08:38 |
| darkxst | then there is the upower transition blocked only really by indicator-power now | 08:40 |
| seb128 | yeah, charles is busy with phone/rtm work and that is higher priority for him than a desktop transition | 08:41 |
| seb128 | not sure how to resolve that | 08:41 |
| darkxst | seb128, it needs some work since it was never ported to logind | 08:54 |
| darkxst | it also has a dodgy queue thing but that can probably just be dropped with the new upower | 08:55 |
| tiheum | Hi guys, could anybody tell me who should I contact to chat about packaging of Ubuntu themes while didrocks is on holiday? | 10:13 |
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| qengho | seb128: good morning. Will you please upload chromium? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages | 11:15 |
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| seb128 | qengho, sure, can that be pocket copied (with binaries or without?) or is that a source upload usually? | 11:41 |
| seb128 | tiheum, hey, just asking on this channel is fine, I can probably help you | 11:41 |
| tiheum | seb128: great, we want something quite simple: not to include the SVG app icons in the Suru theme package when it's built (but keep them on launchpad, so that they are still backed up and easly available). | 11:45 |
| seb128 | why not? | 11:45 |
| seb128 | scalable icons are usually useful no? | 11:45 |
| tiheum | seb128: in general, yes. But app icons are a bit complex and are not rendered nicely by Qt. | 11:46 |
| seb128 | tiheum, shouldn't qt prefers the matching variant, if there is one, to the scalable one? | 11:47 |
| tiheum | seb128: I don't know why Qt does not use the PNG variants instead of the SVGs. Developers use a built-in function (QtIcon) which look up in the theme and find the right file automatically... and it seems to favor SVGs over PNGs | 11:49 |
| seb128 | tiheum, shouldn't we fix qt then, rather than mangle our theme? | 11:49 |
| seb128 | speaking of icons... | 11:51 |
| tiheum | seb128: to be clear, we still want to provide SVGs for all other icons but app ones | 11:51 |
| seb128 | larsu, the code that look for themed icons is part of our toolkit iirc? would it be possible to not make it display warning when "fallbacking"? | 11:52 |
| seb128 | larsu, running u-s-s display a stack of warnings like | 11:53 |
| seb128 | WARNING - file:///usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Settings/Components/StatusIcon.qml:46:5: QML Image: Cannot open: file:///usr/share/icons/suru/status/scalable/preferences-system-phone-symbolic.svg | 11:53 |
| seb128 | it fallbacks to load preferences-system-phone.svg just fine, but that's noisy | 11:53 |
| seb128 | do you know if that's an issue in our toolkit? | 11:53 |
| seb128 | 11:53 | |
| seb128 | tiheum, still feels like a buggy workaround, those scalables icons are useful under e.g unity7 alt-tab switcher | 11:54 |
| tiheum | in the apps/scalable folder, all the symbolic icons (monochromatic with a -symbolic suffix) are useful, yes. and we don't want to remove theme. Only the colourful app icons. | 11:55 |
| larsu | seb128: this warning comes from Qt. We could circumvent it by looking up the icon ourselves, but we're currently jst letting qt do that | 11:55 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 11:55 |
| seb128 | I wonder if I should just make u-s-s not use -symbolic icons then | 11:56 |
| larsu | hm wait, maybe we can look up the icon anyway | 11:56 |
| larsu | it would mean that we stat it twice, but meh | 11:56 |
| seb128 | or we could fix qt (assuming we think it's a bug to warn in those cases, which I think it is, fallbacking is quite normal, not a warning case imho) | 11:56 |
| darkxst | svg's are very slow to load | 11:57 |
| tiheum | seb128, larsu: I think that the warning above is raised because you don't look in the right folder. preferences-system-phone-symbolic.svg is in apps/scalable not status/scalable | 11:57 |
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| larsu | interesting. I wonder why it even looks there | 11:57 |
| tiheum | darkxst: you're right, especially complex ones | 11:57 |
| darkxst | GNOME will fallback to scalable icons, but only as a last resort, not idea what Qt likes to do | 11:58 |
| tiheum | darkxst: I think that's because we don't provide PNGs that are exactly the size of the app icons in the dash (or elsewhere). | 11:59 |
| darkxst | tiheum, maybe you should? GNOME icon themes have a set of icons in various sizes | 12:01 |
| tiheum | app icons are provided in 256 and 512 px but with our grid unit system, we never meet exactly these sizes | 12:01 |
| larsu | but we always hit the same size, no? Can't we just include that? | 12:01 |
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| tiheum | darkxst: Gnome uses icons in a limited set of sizes (roughly 16, 24, 48, 64, 128 and 512px). On the mobile, we have different screen densities (18px/gu, 27px/gu, 30px/gu, etc) plus different size of icons. | 12:04 |
| larsu | seb128: preferences-system-phone-symbolic works for me, while non-symbolic doesn't... | 12:05 |
| seb128 | larsu, I wonder why u-s-s displays those warnings then | 12:06 |
| larsu | me too... | 12:06 |
| seb128 | larsu, it might be because it looks in the wrong category | 12:06 |
| seb128 | not sure why though | 12:06 |
| tiheum | seb128: non-symbolic? there's no colourful version for this 'app' bevause it's part of the system settings | 12:06 |
| larsu | but you don't specify the category when saying which icon you want... | 12:06 |
| seb128 | right | 12:06 |
| larsu | can you point me to the file/line where this icon is used? | 12:06 |
| tiheum | larsu: no, you don't need. Each icon name is unique. | 12:07 |
| larsu | right | 12:07 |
| seb128 | larsu, let me try to come with a small example | 12:07 |
| larsu | seb128: this is what I use: http://paste.debian.net/116534/ | 12:08 |
| darkxst | tiheum, right, no idea what is the right thing to do there | 12:15 |
| seb128 | larsu, in fact we are using a custom component, so maybe a bug on our side, looking at it | 12:20 |
| seb128 | larsu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8097502/ | 12:20 |
| seb128 | larsu, that's an example, for the record | 12:20 |
| larsu | seb128: hm, I get the warning but see the image | 12:22 |
| seb128 | larsu, yes, same in settings ;-) | 12:22 |
| larsu | weirdness | 12:22 |
| larsu | I'll investigate in a bit | 12:22 |
| seb128 | well, that StatusIcon is doing weird things | 12:22 |
| larsu | I wonder why I don't see the warning in my example | 12:22 |
| seb128 | property var icons: { | 12:22 |
| seb128 | if (String(root.source).match(/^image:\/\/theme/)) { | 12:22 |
| seb128 | return String(root.source).replace("image://theme/", "").split(","); | 12:22 |
| seb128 | larsu, because you don't use StatusIcon | 12:22 |
| larsu | holy shit, what is this doing? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | that's from ubuntu-settings-component | 12:22 |
| larsu | what's ubuntu-settings-component? | 12:23 |
| seb128 | I wonder if that component is a leftover from the past and should be replaced with an Icon | 12:23 |
| seb128 | larsu, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings-components | 12:23 |
| seb128 | larsu, widgets shared between indicators and settings iirc | 12:23 |
| larsu | ah, thanks | 12:23 |
| seb128 | larsu, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-settings-components | 12:23 |
| larsu | description is awesome: | 12:24 |
| larsu | It's a set of components to be used for settings | 12:24 |
| seb128 | yeah | 12:25 |
| seb128 | Saviq added the use of StatusIcon when he did the switch to suru | 12:25 |
| seb128 | Saviq, what is StatusIcon providing over a standard Icon or Image? | 12:25 |
| qengho | seb128: can be pocket copied. | 12:26 |
| seb128 | qengho, great, including binaries? | 12:26 |
| qengho | seb128: #security copies binaries. A reason the PPA exists was to make copying binaries possible, without building on slower arches agaian. | 12:28 |
| seb128 | qengho, k, going to do that then, thanks | 12:28 |
| ochosi | seb128: quick question, how do you determine the appicons in unity? read the desktop file or retrieve the icon with wnck and then pass that to the alt-tab dialog? | 12:30 |
| seb128 | ochosi, no idea, would be a question for bregma or Trevinho|holiday | 12:34 |
| seb128 | we got it from bamf iirc, which got it from clever match, which includes the desktop files use | 12:34 |
| seb128 | but not only | 12:34 |
| seb128 | why? | 12:34 |
| ochosi | ah right, bamf then | 12:34 |
| bregma | bamf it is | 12:35 |
| seb128 | hey bregma ;-) | 12:35 |
| bregma | hey seb128 | 12:35 |
| seb128 | (got->get) | 12:35 |
| bregma | seb128, did will ask you about collecting a list of missing features for desktop convergence work? | 12:36 |
| seb128 | bregma, no | 12:37 |
| seb128 | willcooke? | 12:37 |
| bregma | yes | 12:37 |
| * willcooke reads the backlog | 12:37 | |
| willcooke | sorry seb128 bregma - havent had time to speak to seb128 yet | 12:38 |
| willcooke | I've got had a meeting moved, so seb128 we can chat now if you're free? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | willcooke, works for me | 12:38 |
| GunnarHj | Hi Laney, any chance that you can revisit bug #1351092? | 12:39 |
| ubot5 | bug 1351092 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Configuration of the Droid Sans Fallback font" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351092 | 12:39 |
| willcooke | seb128, hangout ok? I think it would be quicker. bregma you want in? | 12:39 |
| bregma | sure | 12:39 |
| Laney | GunnarHj: yes sorry, I will do soon, been distracted by other things | 12:39 |
| seb128 | willcooke, let try that, my chromium might still be downgraded/work | 12:39 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: ok | 12:39 |
| willcooke | seb128, ack | 12:39 |
| Saviq | seb128, it can do non-square icons | 12:43 |
| Saviq | seb128, the image://theme provider dies when you try to pass only one of sourceSize.{width,height} | 12:44 |
| Saviq | seb128, so StatusIcon is a nasty hack iterating over the icon directories to find the matching file | 12:44 |
| seb128 | Saviq, oh ok, do we have a bug to track cleaning that out? | 12:44 |
| Saviq | seb128, bug #1284235 | 12:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1284235 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Icon has to be sized explicitly" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284235 | 12:45 |
| seb128 | Saviq, thanks | 12:45 |
| seb128 | Saviq, so that code seems to look in wrong categories and display warnings it shouldn't | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Saviq, like http://paste.ubuntu.com/8097502/ displays a warning | 12:46 |
| Saviq | seb128, it looks in categories that you tell it to look like | 12:46 |
| Saviq | s/like/in/ | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Saviq, ^ ? | 12:46 |
| seb128 | where do we tell it to use a category? | 12:46 |
| Saviq | seb128, yeah, that's the way it tries to find the image... | 12:46 |
| Saviq | seb128, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-settings-components-team/ubuntu-settings-components/trunk/view/head:/Ubuntu/Settings/Components/StatusIcon.qml#L41 | 12:47 |
| seb128 | well, there is no category in that example (that I can say) | 12:47 |
| Saviq | seb128, it defaults to status, apps | 12:47 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:47 |
| seb128 | "but overriding in settings app doesn't work." | 12:47 |
| seb128 | what does that mean? | 12:47 |
| Laney | RAOF: FYI, I just skipped the colord autopkgtests since they started running with dbus 1.8 (previously they were being skipped) - there are some issues with running in the autopkgtest environment. I made an attempt and fixed some of them but got stuck with the last test: https://github.com/hughsie/colord/pull/6 | 12:51 |
| Laney | I made sure they pass when ran 'normally' | 12:51 |
| seb128 | bregma, did you discuss "input methods handling" for unity8-desktop? Not sure in which category from that gdoc is should go in | 12:52 |
| bregma | seb128, no, but it's obviously one of the missing bits, not sure if it's a Shell or a Mir thing (or both?) | 12:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #1359191 is due to your changes/require a touch langpacks update I guess? | 13:06 |
| ubot5 | bug 1359191 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "System Settings not localized" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359191 | 13:06 |
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| marga | Anybody knows till when Trevinho|holiday is on vacation and/or if he's going to attend DebConf? | 13:21 |
| pitti | seb128: right, that already got landed yesterday | 13:31 |
| seb128 | marga, bregma should know | 13:32 |
| willcooke | OT: is Raring still in the archive? | 13:40 |
| bregma | marga, he should be back in "civilization" next week | 13:50 |
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| charles | seb128, I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/ubuntu-system-settings/startup-wizard-thousands-of-volunteers/+merge/230643 as per your suggestion about the pot file | 14:32 |
| seb128 | charles, thanks | 14:33 |
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| willcooke | seb128, on the Inspiron there is a BIOS setting which makes the function keys act like normal function keys | 14:45 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k | 14:46 |
| marga | bregma, ok, thanks | 15:14 |
| willcooke | seb128, am or pm tomorrow? | 15:24 |
| seb128 | willcooke, you get emails for those right? afternoon, I was going to ping you to ask if it's ok | 15:24 |
| willcooke | yeah, no worries, just adding it now | 15:25 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 15:26 |
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| willcooke | I'm going EOD to nurse my cold. I'll be around if some kind of bizarre emergency happens and, I don't know, you need someone to do the washing up# | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | yeah, better nurse your cold than cool your nurse :) | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | (and get well) | 16:32 |
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| Laney | bye! | 17:15 |
| Noskcaj | Should gucharmap merges still be done in the ubuntu-desktop branch? | 20:41 |
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