[00:14] evening [00:36] howdy [00:40] having fun yet? [00:56] Putting together an already late episode of OMC [00:56] So in a way, yeah. [00:57] wheee [00:57] did the student evals [00:58] Ah, cool. [00:58] not much to it in this one [01:11] Rawk! \m/ [01:25] https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UbuntuConvergenceFeedback [01:25] http://goo.gl/H1gHhA - Desktop Convergence Plans Survey [01:35] intersting [01:35] interesting [01:37] Yeah, [01:37] Not sure I like the direction [01:46] holy crap, for your "it's a small world" moment of the day https://twitter.com/chcholman/status/501906093136969729 [01:46] http://goo.gl/eXRDhM - Twitter / chcholman: Woah, used to live on the street ... [02:12] wow [02:20] rick_h__: You should check out Imagekind [02:20] They do good work [12:09] * brousch cries http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25394139/saving-files-in-the-same-directory [12:09] http://goo.gl/bbxOT9 - python - Saving Files in the Same Directory - Stack Overflow [12:33] morning and yay I get to go to CHC tonight! [12:34] morning [12:51] cmaloney: which direction do you dislike? [12:52] cmaloney: click packages? [13:02] jcastro: thanks goodness you obeyed the signs and didn't jump in [13:15] Good morning [13:16] party [13:16] jrwren_: I fear Mir will mess up games and the clipboard for X-based applications [13:16] Stuff like SDL need to run flawlessly. [13:16] cmaloney: oh, is THAT all? ;p [13:17] lol [13:17] I also fear having two separate package installs [13:17] much like the mess of Tablet vs Desktop under Windows. [13:18] and the sandboxing causing similar issues that we ran into under SELinux where shit breaks because someone didn't flip a bit [13:18] That's three architectural changes that as a desktop user will "change how I use Ubuntu". ;) [13:19] Note: they're not bad changes overall, but I can see the desktop side of Ubuntu getting hosed. [13:20] cmaloney: hosed more than it already is? ;] [13:21] About the only thing that I didn't care for under 14.04 was the online suggestions [13:21] and that can be easily turned off [13:21] And yes, I agree that X is a dog's breakfast and needs changing [13:21] I wonder if kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu will not use Xorg. [13:21] but Mir needs stringent backward compatability. [13:22] and not just "well, Qt and GTK work, so we're good" [13:22] I actually don't agree. IMO all the X extensions ruined X. I want my network transparency back! [13:22] cmaloney: port XLib to Mir ? [13:22] jrwren_: Yeah, I'm a huge fan of X network transparancy but I like my extensions. :) [13:23] I'd rather an xlib layer be a last resort. Native to whatever display is the best. [13:30] Greetings from exotic Lapeer, Michigan. I've never used IRC before. Excuse any breaches of etiquette. [13:30] guy__: greetings! [13:30] guy__: welcome from Ann Arbor. [13:31] guy__: heh, lived in lapeer for many years back in the day [13:31] guy__: My first use of IRC was 19 years ago, so no worries. :) [13:31] Ann Arbor - ahh....the cradle of civilization. [13:32] I think pot was legal there in 1943. [13:32] guy__: Hello from ~Royal Oak [13:32] graduated from east, and now I feel old realizing how long ago that was [13:32] Wow, Rick........we're old neighbors... [13:32] rick_h__: 20 year reunion coming up. [13:33] jrwren_: hah, I couldn't remember the names of 3 people I graduated with [13:33] Cool..... I'm so old we hold our reunions at Sunset Hills Cemetary [13:33] 20 year reuinion, How quaint. :) [13:33] :P [13:34] Hello Royal Oak..... [13:34] Dead serious - I think I installed IRC on Windows about 15 years ago....used it once or something. [13:35] I'm 62 going on 12........STILL tinkering. [13:35] I shall now address you as pops. [13:35] lol [13:35] :) j/k [13:35] Thta's fine - I keep telling my wife it "smells like old people in here..." - then I realize it's US. [13:36] I refuse to grow up. [13:36] Heh [13:37] I'm dry walling our house, and playing with all sorts of Linux distros - doin' okay for 62. [13:38] And I'm cheating - I threw a spare hard drive in the PC and installed something called PinguyOS - the launch thing for this was on the desktop, so, here I am.... [13:39] PinguyOS eh? [13:39] Yeah - it's got a beautiful desktop but it's kinda sluggish.... [13:39] Comes with a mountain of software out of the box...... [13:40] debian based. [13:40] That was is new to me. Its interesting. [13:40] I had never heard of the thing - watched a YouTube video and a guy was talking about it.... [13:41] I compiled web and mail servers on the thing...most of the packages from scratch. I got it all working.... just a hobby. [13:42] Running from PingOS (well, temporarily probably): http://www.guysjoint.com [13:42] http://goo.gl/mM8UgT - Guysjoint.com | Just one more idiot with a web site…..running from Ubuntu 12.04 [13:43] Gotta sand drywall - you guys solve the world's problems...... [13:43] and hurry up. [14:35] .np squeekyhoho [14:35] squeekyhoho's current track - Run Straight Down by Warren Zevon on The Electric Werewolf Strikes Again [14:47] Is that a real album? === wollfger is now known as wolfger [15:25] Not sure. I have the single that I got from the radio station in college. [15:43] lol [15:43] warren zevon ftw [15:49] should make a remix of sweet home alabama called sweet home illinois and use the werewolves of london original recording for the backround music [18:19] jcastro: dude that video thing is great [18:19] that's so cool how that whip that up [18:21] quick sqlalchemy question. I want to access the object this foreign key is linked to https://github.com/brousch/WaznexServer/blob/master/waznexserver/models.py#L97 [18:21] http://goo.gl/rZli9o - WaznexServer/models.py at master · brousch/WaznexServer · GitHub [18:22] I get the id, but can't figure out how to get the object [18:23] ugh, who named the column fk_grid_item? [18:23] brousch: you need to build a relation to it [18:23] I named it that probably 4 years ago [18:23] yeah, it sucks [18:23] https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/auth.py#L275 [18:23] http://goo.gl/At7ajw - Bookie/auth.py at develop · bookieio/Bookie · GitHub [18:24] saying it's a foreignkey does not establish a relationship? [18:24] brousch: no, it's the background data needed to create a relationship [18:24] brousch: but you need more data to build/define it [18:24] http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html [18:24] http://goo.gl/OQX5GY - Relationship Configuration — SQLAlchemy 0.9 Documentation [18:24] brousch: ^ [18:25] I was just looking there [18:25] notice the child = relationship("Child") [18:25] that line is how you access the child through the Parent [18:25] and that uses the fact that the FK is defined to help build that [18:25] brousch: so you just need to add a line [18:26] grid_item = Relation(GridItem) [18:26] then you can GridCell.grid_item.filename [18:26] ish [18:33] rick_h__, what video thing? [18:33] jcastro: on G+ the boat [18:33] oh yeah, heh [18:35] rick_h__: u da man [18:36] I'm working on http://talks.barcampgr.org/ [18:36] http://goo.gl/SI0WE2 - BarCampGR Session Grid [18:36] I use it once a year, so there's always some tweaking to get it up to date and running [18:37] brousch: gotcha, glad to be of help [18:37] glad I still remember any python :P [18:38] jcastro: yea, love you and Jill front row. You guys are front row folks [18:40] rick_h__: :( [18:41] heh yeah, I mean, why go if you can't get in the front row? [18:42] pywhat? ;] [18:52] pythong. [18:52] (no, I'mn not googling that.) [18:54] its not the gtk or gl lib? [18:58] cmaloney: chicken [19:32] Sorry, couldn't hear you over the sound of me pecking in the yard.