[00:14] <rick_h__> evening
[00:36] <cmaloney> howdy
[00:40] <rick_h__> having fun yet?
[00:56] <cmaloney> Putting together an already late episode of OMC
[00:56] <cmaloney> So in a way, yeah.
[00:57] <rick_h__> wheee
[00:57] <rick_h__> did the student evals
[00:58] <cmaloney> Ah, cool.
[00:58] <rick_h__> not much to it in this one
[01:11] <cmaloney> Rawk! \m/
[01:25] <cmaloney> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UbuntuConvergenceFeedback
[01:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/H1gHhA - Desktop Convergence Plans Survey
[01:35] <rick_h__> intersting
[01:35] <rick_h__> interesting
[01:37] <cmaloney> Yeah,
[01:37] <cmaloney> Not sure I like the direction
[01:46] <rick_h__> holy crap, for your "it's a small world" moment of the day https://twitter.com/chcholman/status/501906093136969729
[01:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/eXRDhM - Twitter / chcholman: Woah, used to live on the street ...
[02:12] <cmaloney> wow
[02:20] <cmaloney> rick_h__: You should check out Imagekind
[02:20] <cmaloney> They do good work
[12:09]  * brousch cries http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25394139/saving-files-in-the-same-directory
[12:09] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bbxOT9 - python - Saving Files in the Same Directory - Stack Overflow
[12:33] <rick_h__> morning and yay I get to go to CHC tonight!
[12:34] <wollfger> morning
[12:51] <jrwren_> cmaloney: which direction do you dislike?
[12:52] <jrwren_> cmaloney: click packages?
[13:02] <rick_h__> jcastro: thanks goodness you obeyed the signs and didn't jump in
[13:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:16] <rick_h__> party
[13:16] <cmaloney> jrwren_: I fear Mir will mess up games and the clipboard for X-based applications
[13:16] <cmaloney> Stuff like SDL need to run flawlessly.
[13:16] <jrwren_> cmaloney: oh, is THAT all? ;p
[13:17] <rick_h__> lol
[13:17] <cmaloney> I also fear having two separate package installs
[13:17] <cmaloney> much like the mess of Tablet vs Desktop under Windows.
[13:18] <cmaloney> and the sandboxing causing similar issues that we ran into under SELinux where shit breaks because someone didn't flip a bit
[13:18] <cmaloney> That's three architectural changes that as a desktop user will "change how I use Ubuntu". ;)
[13:19] <cmaloney> Note: they're not bad changes overall, but I can see the desktop side of Ubuntu getting hosed.
[13:20] <jrwren_> cmaloney: hosed more than it already is? ;]
[13:21] <cmaloney> About the only thing that I didn't care for under 14.04 was the online suggestions
[13:21] <cmaloney> and that can be easily turned off
[13:21] <cmaloney> And yes, I agree that X is a dog's breakfast and needs changing
[13:21] <jrwren_> I wonder if kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu will not use Xorg.
[13:21] <cmaloney> but Mir needs stringent backward compatability.
[13:22] <cmaloney> and not just "well, Qt and GTK work, so we're good"
[13:22] <jrwren_> I actually don't agree. IMO all the X extensions ruined X. I want my network transparency back!
[13:22] <jrwren_> cmaloney: port XLib to Mir ?
[13:22] <cmaloney> jrwren_: Yeah, I'm a huge fan of X network transparancy but I like my extensions. :)
[13:23] <jrwren_> I'd rather an xlib layer be a last resort. Native to whatever display is the best.
[13:30] <guy__> Greetings from exotic Lapeer, Michigan.  I've never used IRC before.  Excuse any breaches of etiquette.
[13:30] <jrwren_> guy__: greetings!
[13:30] <jrwren_> guy__: welcome from Ann Arbor.
[13:31] <rick_h__> guy__: heh, lived in lapeer for many years back in the day
[13:31] <jrwren_> guy__: My first use of IRC was 19 years ago, so no worries. :)
[13:31] <guy__> Ann Arbor - ahh....the cradle of civilization.
[13:32] <guy__> I think pot was legal there in 1943.
[13:32] <cmaloney> guy__: Hello from ~Royal Oak
[13:32] <rick_h__> graduated from east, and now I feel old realizing how long ago that was
[13:32] <guy__> Wow, Rick........we're old neighbors...
[13:32] <jrwren_> rick_h__: 20 year reunion coming up.
[13:33] <rick_h__> jrwren_: hah, I couldn't remember the names of 3 people I graduated with
[13:33] <guy__> Cool.....  I'm so old we hold our reunions at Sunset Hills Cemetary
[13:33] <cmaloney> 20 year reuinion, How quaint. :)
[13:33] <rick_h__> :P
[13:34] <guy__> Hello Royal Oak.....
[13:34] <guy__> Dead serious - I think I installed IRC on Windows about 15 years ago....used it once or something.
[13:35] <guy__> I'm 62 going on 12........STILL tinkering.
[13:35] <jrwren_> I shall now address you as pops.
[13:35] <rick_h__> lol
[13:35] <jrwren_> :)  j/k
[13:35] <guy__> Thta's fine - I keep telling my wife it "smells like old people in here..." - then I realize it's US.
[13:36] <guy__> I refuse to grow up.
[13:36] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:37] <guy__> I'm dry walling our house, and playing with all sorts of Linux distros - doin' okay for 62.
[13:38] <guy__> And I'm cheating - I threw a spare hard drive in the PC and installed something called PinguyOS - the launch thing for this was on the desktop, so, here I am....
[13:39] <jrwren_> PinguyOS eh?
[13:39] <guy__> Yeah - it's got a beautiful desktop but it's kinda sluggish....
[13:39] <guy__> Comes with a mountain of software out of the box......
[13:40] <guy__> debian based.
[13:40] <jrwren_> That was is new to me. Its interesting.
[13:40] <guy__> I had never heard of the thing - watched a YouTube video and a guy was talking about it....
[13:41] <guy__> I compiled web and mail servers on the thing...most of the packages from scratch.  I got it all working.... just a hobby.
[13:42] <guy__> Running from PingOS (well, temporarily probably): http://www.guysjoint.com
[13:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mM8UgT - Guysjoint.com | Just one more idiot with a web site…..running from Ubuntu 12.04
[13:43] <guy__> Gotta sand drywall - you guys solve the world's problems......
[13:43] <guy__> and hurry up.
[14:35] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[14:35] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Run Straight Down by Warren Zevon on The Electric Werewolf Strikes Again
[14:47] <wollfger> Is that a real album?
[15:25] <cmaloney> Not sure. I have the single that I got from the radio station in college.
[15:43] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:43] <mrgoodcat> warren zevon ftw
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> should make a remix of sweet home alabama called sweet home illinois and use the werewolves of london original recording for the backround music
[18:19] <rick_h__> jcastro: dude that video thing is great
[18:19] <rick_h__> that's so cool how that whip that up
[18:21] <brousch> quick sqlalchemy question. I want to access the object this foreign key is linked to https://github.com/brousch/WaznexServer/blob/master/waznexserver/models.py#L97
[18:21] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rZli9o - WaznexServer/models.py at master · brousch/WaznexServer · GitHub
[18:22] <brousch> I get the id, but can't figure out how to get the object
[18:23] <rick_h__> ugh, who named the column fk_grid_item?
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: you need to build a relation to it
[18:23] <brousch> I named it that probably 4 years ago
[18:23] <brousch> yeah, it sucks
[18:23] <rick_h__> https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/auth.py#L275
[18:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/At7ajw - Bookie/auth.py at develop · bookieio/Bookie · GitHub
[18:24] <brousch> saying it's a foreignkey does not establish a relationship?
[18:24] <rick_h__> brousch: no, it's the background data needed to create a relationship
[18:24] <rick_h__> brousch: but you need more data to build/define it
[18:24] <rick_h__> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html
[18:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/OQX5GY - Relationship Configuration — SQLAlchemy 0.9 Documentation
[18:24] <rick_h__> brousch: ^
[18:25] <brousch> I was just looking there
[18:25] <rick_h__> notice the child = relationship("Child")
[18:25] <rick_h__> that line is how you access the child through the Parent
[18:25] <rick_h__> and that uses the fact that the FK is defined to help build that
[18:25] <rick_h__> brousch: so you just need to add a line
[18:26] <rick_h__> grid_item = Relation(GridItem)
[18:26] <rick_h__> then you can GridCell.grid_item.filename
[18:26] <rick_h__> ish
[18:33] <jcastro> rick_h__, what video thing?
[18:33] <rick_h__> jcastro: on G+ the boat
[18:33] <jcastro> oh yeah, heh
[18:35] <brousch> rick_h__: u da man
[18:36] <brousch> I'm working on http://talks.barcampgr.org/
[18:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/SI0WE2 - BarCampGR Session Grid
[18:36] <brousch> I use it once a year, so there's always some tweaking to get it up to date and running
[18:37] <rick_h__> brousch: gotcha, glad to be of help
[18:37] <rick_h__> glad I still remember any python :P
[18:38] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, love you and Jill front row. You guys are front row folks
[18:40] <brousch> rick_h__: :(
[18:41] <jcastro> heh yeah, I mean, why go if you can't get in the front row?
[18:42] <jrwren_> pywhat? ;]
[18:52] <cmaloney> pythong.
[18:52] <cmaloney> (no, I'mn not googling that.)
[18:54] <jrwren_> its not the gtk or gl lib?
[18:58] <wolfger> cmaloney: chicken
[19:32] <cmaloney> Sorry, couldn't hear you over the sound of me pecking in the yard.