[07:42] Topic Link (Kubuntu 5 Test ISO http://goo.gl/nn2Zej ) Is dead [07:42] I want to become a tester for 12.04.5 with 4.14 from backports. :) [07:44] ShalokShalom: I suggest joining #kubuntu-devel or at least the kubuntu-devel mail list [07:44] and make your interest known in either/both [07:44] this is kubuntu-devel ? [07:45] oh sheesh [07:45] :) [07:45] * valorie blushes [07:45] valorie: ;) [07:45] you are the girl from g plus ? [07:45] you're right about that link [07:45] the girl? [07:45] ok, so no [07:45] * valorie is female for sure, but it's been a long time since i was a girl [07:45] there is a hacker girl from kubuntu on g plus, with a similar nick [07:46] ah, ok [07:46] my english is buggy [07:46] i mean female/woman ofc [07:46] ShalokShalom: Perhaps you are thinking of sgclark. [07:47] I am the only Valorie on g+, I just checked [07:47] didn't know I had fame there [07:47] lol [07:48] since most genius person, which i ever meet in the open source scene, is a she, i put more attention on females :P [07:50] the only kernel devel I know is female [07:52] ah [07:53] i mean anke/demm, who creates KaOS [07:56] anke -- I think she used to come into the linuxchix chan [07:56] years ago [07:56] loads of people there, all smarter than me [07:57] :) [07:58] valorie: we write about wayland === vinay is now known as Guest39438 [08:02] hi ShalokShalom [08:02] hi [08:03] ShalokShalom: I'm not doing backports of 4.14 on Kubuntu 12.04, we only backport to the latest LTS [08:04] yes, i see, 4.13.2 is ready, yes ? :) [08:05] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.13.2 [08:05] ShalokShalom: yep [08:06] ok, so i want to test that :P [08:06] what is important ? [08:13] in testing 4.13? test baloo file search and kontact, they're the two most flakey bits [08:13] ok [08:14] baloo work ever fine to me [08:14] kontact was buggy, since i know it [08:33] Riddell: maybe it would be a good idea to have some page for people that want to test for example KDE SC with some steps they should do/check so if someone shows up here ready to do test, we can [08:34] give him such link and he would know what to do, also it would be a good idea to allow comments for testers on such page so they can tell what is good/wrong etc [08:37] soee: good idea, go ahead :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Octopii Fan Club | https://trello.com/kubuntu [08:40] woah, our /topic has shrunk [08:41] lots of things todo in https://trello.com/kubuntu :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu [08:47] soee: thats exactly, what i search, yes. :) [08:47] a step by step guide [09:06] Riddell: ill try to f [09:06] *prepare something [09:07] ShalokShalom: where did you get info that testers are needed ? [09:07] some social media, other user or ? [09:07] valorie told me that [09:08] ah the girl :D [09:08] yep [09:08] :P [09:08] pfff [09:08] haha [09:09] by the way: does anyone have saved the deb`s of remastersys or the black lab imager ? [09:09] both go offline [09:09] or the source ? [09:10] valorie: we all have a children in us, please take it as a compliment ;) [09:11] it is not respectful to women to call them girls [09:11] yes, I do have a child in me though, for sure [09:12] it was a language spellinh mistake [09:12] anyway, need to go to sleep now, it's after 2am here [09:12] niters [09:12] ok, gn8 [09:13] have fun testing [10:00] "Arthur Schiwon (blizzz) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay Blizzz still loves us! [10:08] always! have a place in my heart, yo ;) [10:12] :) but will you still when I remove all the owncloud blogs from planet as I've been asked to, that would show true love [10:41] yofel: whatever is going to happen to frameworks packaging in git? [10:42] got distracted by me being on vacation and raphael's git packaging layout thread on debian-devel a bit [10:43] how would we go about repositories owned by different teams btw.? [10:43] yofel: push rights is per team? [10:44] pretty much from what I see on git.debian.org [10:45] gives me a headache [10:45] yofel: well, either we get add to the team or the repo moves to pkg-kde I'd say [10:45] surely kubuntu and debian would have to be the same team for it to make any sense? [10:46] Riddell: pkg-kde would not have push rights to debian-mm so we couldn't fiddle with qtmultimedia for example [10:46] just mentioning it as AFAIK ScottK said something about putting kapidox in the python team [10:46] (assming that is maintained by debian-mm) [10:46] Oo [10:46] kapidox in python sounds peculiar [10:46] [06:40:45] shadeslayer: kapidox is, from a packaging perspective, a python app, so putting it in the python apps team made more sense. [10:47] you might want to read #debian-qt-kde every now and then, you're even there :P [10:47] ^^ [10:47] hurray [10:47] I am not at workstation [10:47] I fixed pkg-kde-tools [10:48] no more patching ECM [10:48] shadeslayer++ [10:48] though pkg-kde-tools has a shitty workaround for setting ECM__MKSPECS_INSTALL_DIR [10:49] https://github.com/shadeslayer/pkg-kde-tools/commit/2a4175ffa8bdad6c77db56e8553e49d56c8cd983 [10:51] Oo [10:51] shadeslayer: is github seriously the best way to do feature work on debian branches? :/ [10:51] well, $external_git_repo_management [10:52] nope, but it was the easiest :( [10:52] bummer [10:52] yeah, I'll try to figure out alioth on the weekend [10:52] * shadeslayer retries tier 1 [10:53] I like Quintasan's comment on the ML [10:53] so much time invested in neon [10:54] ;_; [10:54] well, without neon I think we wouldn't be having the CP talk in the first place [10:54] we'll still have the memories :P [10:56] ^^ [10:56] https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-unstable [10:57] FWIW BTW, if github's group management wasn't pretty mental I'd totally support moving our packaging to github should we encounter problems with the move to alioth :P [10:57] shouldn't we - at that point - ask upstream whether we can move there? [10:58] ^^ [10:58] using another remote (debian) is just as nice as having one repo with many branches, only disadvantage being that the initial setup is more of a pain in the bum [10:58] hurray [10:58] things seem to be building [10:58] yofel: upstream has global push rights [10:58] I am awesome [10:58] I conquered perl [10:58] only took me 3 days [10:59] and I for one would not be comfortable backing push applications from any random packager considering they can then also accidentially break every kde repo in existance [10:59] doesn't gentoo have their stuff upstream? [10:59] nope [10:59] there's also the small issue of team thingies in Launchpad [11:00] shadeslayer: what's that? [11:00] so everyone in ubuntu-dev can push things in LP [11:00] what was that emege stuff in kdesupport then? [11:00] *emerge [11:00] shadeslayer: marginally uninteresting to be honest :P [11:00] but if we move to KDE git / github, you lose that [11:00] apachelogger: I can see people raising hell about it [11:00] one could probably even automate auto-archive-sync [11:01] * shadeslayer is hungry [11:01] shadeslayer: I'll raise hell about launchpad using a shit vcs then [11:01] heh [11:01] I did talk about team permissions with maxy at some point weeks ago, ended without conclusion === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - There be Unicorns | https://trello.com/kubuntu [11:02] Riddell: what's up with the minimalistic topic btw.? [11:03] yofel: I just took out the link to 4.14 (cos it's out) and plasma 5 ISOs (cos they moved) [11:04] hm, ok [11:04] that is not true, you also removed the octopii [11:04] well yes, that joke was getting old [11:04] it was ^^ [11:05] u just don't appreciate the awesomeness of the octopus [11:05] oh when you do SUP Yoga among muchos medusas you learn there are many awesome things in the sea [11:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp5a-r3MJU [11:08] Riddell: even removing ownCloud blogs from Planet KDE (this you mean?) will not affecting my love. Though I do not know why they should be removed. But i also heard Qt stuff was about to be removed, no? [11:14] apachelogger: ping [11:14] apachelogger: do we want the l10n stuff for KF5 and friends? [11:14] in pkg-kde-tools [11:16] shadeslayer: the l10n stuff? [11:16] shadeslayer: extraction you mean? [11:16] the l10n stuff [11:16] yes [11:16] yeah, we need that :P [11:18] why? [11:18] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBJdKHw-zQ [11:18] shadeslayer: for our software [11:18] hm [11:19] ok [11:19] Blizzz: owncloud isn't part of KDE any more so it's been suggested I should remove people who only blog about owncloud and not KDE [11:19] I'll port it over then [11:19] Blizzz: the Qt news blog isn't on planet kde [11:22] Riddell: I believe the woboq guys are/were on Planet KDE and were mostly blogging about Qt [11:22] but maybe my memory just mixes things up [11:23] Blizzz: hmm, maybe I should zap them down too [11:24] mh… [11:26] and blame it on you :) [11:28] such a conspiracy [11:44] Riddell: seems I can no longer build anything, every package gives me http://paste.ubuntu.com/8105612/ [11:44] shadeslayer: ^ [12:08] Hiyas all [12:17] sgclark: sorry [12:17] just a moment [12:20] sgclark: fixed [12:20] debs should be published in ~30 minutes [12:21] what was it? [12:21] I'm working on fixing pkg-kde-tools [12:21] porting it to KF5 [12:21] I forgot to disable policy checks for the old scripts [12:21] ok, thanks [12:22] you'll have to make that accept kubuntu dev too, as not all our new package have the debian team as orig maint. [12:22] *packages [12:22] yofel: I just remove the check [12:22] it's useless for us [12:22] that'll work too :) [12:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8105819/ [12:23] ok, ki18n failed [12:24] hm [12:25] usr/qt5/imports/kf5/ktranscript.so but should be in usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/kf5/ktranscript.so [12:25] weird [12:25] ah [12:25] stupid me [12:27] https://github.com/shadeslayer/pkg-kde-tools/commit/981e3381f2d118a0bab14d3d8649ef7d4d1f9bc3 [12:27] :p [12:32] yofel: stupid sed/regex question [12:32] that doesn't exist :P [12:32] heh [12:33] I want to match pkg-kde-tools*, and replace it by pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.15.15) [12:35] anyone here got a bit of experience with yad? [12:35] shadeslayer: I'm not sure if sed can do that reliably... at least I don't think it has a non-greedy version of * [12:35] what's yad 0.o [12:35] yofel: hm [12:36] shadeslayer yad = yet another dialog program [12:36] it's supposed to create easy dialogues with checkboxes, buttons, etc. [12:36] shadeslayer: I'm pretty sure you can do a perl one-liner though if you really need it short [12:36] heh [12:36] yofel: well [12:36] fortunately all pkg-kde-tools build deps are unversioned [12:36] so meh [12:37] lucky me [12:39] tier 1 being pushed now === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [12:40] I had the same problem with kubuntu-initial-upload, which is why it ended up having a weird regex for that [12:40] apachelogger: hmm you think upstream me should make daily tars for Plasma? [12:40] python does have non-greedy patterns though [12:40] shadeslayer: where do you need that? [12:41] yofel: all pkg-kde-tools need to have a versioned build depends now [12:41] since I switched to using the 3rd iteration of the debian-qt-kde scripts [12:42] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sonnet/revision/40 [12:42] ah, I would probably end up writing that with python (maybe playing around with dep822 or how that was called) [12:44] so no one then? :( [12:44] dep822 yep [12:44] yofel: sounds a bit overengineered :p [12:44] * yofel only knows about zenity and kdailog, never heard of yad [12:44] shadeslayer: probably ^^ [12:45] find . -name control | xargs sed -i 's/pkg-kde-tools/pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.15.15)/' [12:45] worked for me ^^ :p [12:45] now hope that nothing had a version :P [12:45] I checked [12:45] ok, that'll do the job then [12:45] find . -name control | xargs grep pkg-kde-tools gave me nothing [14:07] shadeslayer: how is the x session started in the kubuntu-plasma5 iso? [14:07] kdeuser56: sddm -> starts x -> starts sddm-helper -> autologin kicks in -> sddm-helper is killed -> startkde [14:07] shadeslayer: that seems to create problems with some boot options [14:07] casper autologin scripts write the config for autologin in sddm [14:08] shadeslayer: "text" should normally not start x ... but on this iso x is started [14:08] shadeslayer: the ubiquity "noninteractive" boot option does not work ... it simply starts the graphical session [14:08] sigh [14:09] kdeuser56: does it work on the kde 4 iso? [14:09] shadeslayer: yeah [14:09] kubuntu utopic works ... kubuntu-plasma5 utopic does not work [14:10] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ [14:10] Riddell: ^ [14:21] Riddell: no, what we discussed in randa entails rolling tars via jenkins [14:21] in fact possibly to such an extent that you can obtain the actual release tars via jenkins [14:25] apachelogger: rolling tars using a different method than the final tars are made from defeats the purpose really, if jenkins gets tarme built into it that would be cool [14:27] Riddell: the idea is that jenkins would use tarme :P [14:28] one of the ideas behind this is that as a random developer you do not have to bother with fiddling around with the release scripting, but you could get a tar from jenkins and use that as your release tar, and possibly even have a button in jenkins that would tag the rev the tar came from as $version [14:28] yes that would be most lovely [14:28] Alex had all sorts of crazy ideas in his pursuite of making releasing things less complicated [14:30] apachelogger: I don't think they were crazy btw [14:30] because all of this already exists on platforms like github [14:30] I even proposed this 6 months back with git next [14:30] i.e. dev just pushes tag, CI generates tar [14:31] don't they currently do thing the opposite way? [14:31] *thingſ [14:31] that's a funny character... [14:31] release tar and tag? yes [14:32] tag -> tar is largely disliked [14:54] should we try to release Kubuntu Plasma 5 along with Beta 1 next week? [14:57] yo sgclark, how are you getting on with partition manager and kscreen? [14:58] is plasma5 image stable after installation now or is it still hit and miss ? [14:58] Riddell: I committed my partionmanager change yesterday... I am behind on kscreen as since last night I could not use debuild. Fixed now and working on it... [15:02] BluesKaj: we don't know until you test it out [15:02] hehe, ok Riddell, fair enough :) [15:12] here's a really important question, should the cdimage pages for Kubuntu Plasma 5 use Ubuntu Font or Oxygen Font? [15:13] gotta confess I never use Ubuntu font [15:17] ^ same [15:18] what do you use? [15:19] oxygen [15:20] hard decision, both look good [15:22] sgclark: partitionmanager uploaded! you can probably move that card to Done now [15:22] Riddell: upstream ftw? :P [15:27] size limit on cdimage is.. [15:27] 1,073,741,824 [15:27] 1,102,970,880 ← our current amd64 size [15:29] 1,207,959,552 ← current plasma5 image size [15:29] what size limit shall I set it to? [15:30] 5 gig [15:30] nooo [15:30] or you know, someone could clean up [15:30] ah, I see, you are using irony [15:31] * apachelogger too stupid to use cut [15:33] Riddell, yofel, shadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/recipes/files that's what build recipe definition looks like [15:34] I do wonder whether a list with generic recipes would be more fruitful though [15:34] I call symlink [15:34] ah wait [15:34] at least in neon we currently have the recipes largely diverging because they also define build deps and whatnot [15:34] apachelogger: empty recipes? :p [15:34] shadeslayer: no no they are symlinks alright [15:34] ?? [15:35] all recipes symlink to _standard [15:35] ah [15:35] which in turn specifies the recipe through _common [15:35] then launchpad is being weird [15:35] all without params because presently there is no need for any special stuff, and it is this lack of need that makes me wonder whether a text file listing stuff meant to build wouldn't be more useful [15:36] it most probably would [15:42] shadeslayer, Riddell: just tested and recorded again, so that you can be absolutely sure my report was right: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-ihXi2hkCPfLVZlLW1zYnVuRWM/edit [15:43] shadeslayer, Riddell: the utopic-desktop-amd64.iso is the kde 4 based iso [15:44] shadeslayer, Riddell: the kubuntu-plasma5 iso simply ignores the "text" and the "noninteractive" boot parameter and boots straight to the desktop, which makes preseeding impossible [15:44] kdeuser56: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/casper/utopic/view/head:/scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin [15:44] kdeuser56: that's how it autologins [15:44] well hm [15:44] you probably want to grep casper [15:44] shadeslayer: it seems this script is invoked too early [15:45] to see what happens when you pass text [15:45] kdeuser56: no, something is not invoked when you boot with text [15:45] which causes 15autologin to get invoked [15:46] yep [15:46] kdeuser56: I have a fix [15:46] shadeslayer: great [15:47] kdeuser56: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/casper/utopic/view/head:/scripts/casper-bottom/25configure_init#L31 [15:47] shadeslayer: does that also fix the noninteractive boot parameter, which is far more important? [15:47] it should [15:47] * shadeslayer is trying to understand the regex there [15:48] shadeslayer: I can report you back tomorrow when the new iso is done [15:48] yep, thx al0t [15:48] *alot [15:49] Riddell, yofel: I swear to god, I have to see a package where wrap-and-sort will not touch half the files [15:49] it's madness [15:49] why is that madness? [15:51] because like I said when I first complained about it people have, are, and will forget to run it thus making someone else pointlessly polluting the version control history with even more pointless lines moves [15:52] ohohoh [15:52] shadeslayer: I remember what other problem I saw with versions [15:53] I think merging with the same changelog stanza will make the merge tool fall over dead [15:53] since stable chanes and unstable changes would be interlaced substantially [15:53] kdeuser56: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8107219/ [15:53] so I think what needs to happen is that the unstable branch has a dedicated stanza listing the unstable changes ontop of the stable changes [15:54] i.e. kwin unstable right now would have 5.0.50 or something [15:54] ideally the version stanzas actually should be automated, but since upstream Riddell doesn't enforce one variable to define the version in all workspace repos that is a bit impossible right now :'< [15:56] dch really hates me [15:56] shadeslayer: thx, you are amazing! I will test again with tomorrows iso, should be in there right? [15:56] eys [15:56] *yes [15:56] great [15:56] thanks for finding that corner case [15:57] apachelogger: wait one cotton picking minute, upstream Riddell does enforce one variable in Plasma 5.1 for versions [15:57] Riddell: do you? [15:57] apachelogger: just did that yesterday/today [15:57] oh lovely then [15:58] so we could ditch changelogs entirely and build automatically from commit messages even xD [15:58] set(PROJECT_VERSION "5.0.95") [15:58] Riddell++ [15:58] although it does need this to get a shipit https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119882/ [15:59] which requires d_ed to take a second look [15:59] mister beard [16:02] http://paste.kde.org/pmiw5n6k4 [16:03] I am really not sure about this [16:03] * apachelogger shall start a notes page on CP tomorrow [16:04] why are you not sure about build-dep on libepoxy? [16:05] apachelogger: how do you expect 5.0.2 to be packaged? [16:05] Riddell: that'd be from the stable branch [16:05] I am not sure about the changelogging, not about the bdep xD [16:06] apachelogger: right but then how does the stable branch get merged into the unstable branch? [16:06] Riddell: see comment before shipping, shout IRL if you disagree [16:06] Riddell: bzr merge [16:06] Riddell: by hand (although in the mid term that should also be automated in some form or fashion) [16:07] the by hand factor is why I argued that bzr is rubbish for this endavor :P [16:07] at the end of the day when automated merges fail a human will have to forward merge stable into unstable [16:09] there's also the question of how much/if we should automated version bumps in the changelog ... i.e. if the project_version in cmake changes we could have automation that declares the present packaging 5.0.whatever and branches it automatically for a human to then do a release pack [16:09] could be iritating though [16:10] many options are at hand, most of them raise questions I have no good answer for :( [16:13] Riddell: anywho, general workflow is fix up stable ->> forward merge changes into unstable ->> triggers unstable rebuilds ->> fix up unstable [16:16] oh noes kwin failed [16:16] sounds like faff [16:17] ohhh wayland [16:18] * Riddell sings the wayland song [16:20] if one of you wants to toy with the present stuff feel free to, shadeslayer should be able to trigger builds [16:20] otherwise I'll try to beat it into green state tomorrow [16:55] is there no install option the plasma5 image disk...seemed to run ok without any freezes [16:55] ? [17:01] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ .. no ubiquity installer ? [17:04] Riddell: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kscreen ready for review. [17:38] ubiquity installer is missing from the image...http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ [20:27] shadeslayer: I think you broke kwin building https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182900537/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.kwin_4%3A5.0.50%2Bgit20140821.2014~5cc66f1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [20:28] oha [20:28] shadeslayer: nevermind [20:28] it appears that lib is new [20:28] my oh my, the changes in kwin alone [20:28] outragous [20:33] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-cp [20:33] random notes as of right now [20:35] mh [20:35] did we always package kwin as 300 packages? [20:35] the libs seem somewhat overzealous considering they are only supposed to be used by other workspace [20:35] usually, even for multiple gl's [20:36] yofel: well the gl spliting makes sense [20:36] the more the merrier [20:36] in the future even more so along the line of x11 vs. wayland [20:36] but libkwin4-effect-builtins1 surely doesn't need or want its own lib package [20:37] added fun if you make sure kwin needs at least 4 build runs until every package is filled [20:37] much silly [20:37] KISS I say [20:37] anywho, I dunno what to do with libkwin [20:38] upstream chooses to ignore my suggestion of putting a private in their lib names to make clear that they are private :'< [20:38] actually [20:38] Riddell: use some upstream release dude powers and make that happen plz ;) [20:54] did not [20:54] I need to be beyond the ballmer curve to achieve that brokenness [20:56] no roommates \o/ [20:56] I have all the wifi === rdieter is now known as rdieter_laptop === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [21:22] latest updates, error when processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpowerdevilcore2_4%3a5.0.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb [23:33] i install a fresh 12.04.5 and load the 4.13.2 ppa - that kills my oxygen window decortion (which reappears after reboot) and dont take any effekt, i am still on 4.8.5