[00:12] <orliesaurus> Im on 13.04 - it says i can't upgrade - what do?
[00:15] <phillw> orliesaurus: you can, but it is not really advised. I'd suggest you make a separate home partition
[00:16] <orliesaurus> how
[00:16] <orliesaurus> i'd spend a ton of time reconfiguring all the services
[00:16] <orliesaurus> i'll take the non advised route any day, and worst comes worst I'll restore from backup
[00:17] <phillw> you can do so, but, you should also make a backup... for seperate /home follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[00:18] <orliesaurus> ok thank you - so what about the not advised way?
[00:19] <phillw> orliesaurus: after you have done that, you can do a 'clean' install of 14.04.1 and as you add any of your applications back on, they will find their config files safely there.
[00:20] <orliesaurus> ok
[00:20] <orliesaurus> thanks for the advice
[00:20] <phillw> only MySQL will not be carried over, so If you have LAMP running, we would need to dump that data 1st
[00:20] <orliesaurus> Thankfully I don't have MySQL
[00:22] <phillw> orliesaurus: Do take a backup, but you should be okay with a /home partition. Installing 14.04.1 will need you to use manual system as you want to use your new /home and not format it :D
[07:58] <Klubuntu> Is someone know when 14.04.2 will be ready ?
[08:40] <suncokret> hello
[09:18] <silverlion> hey suncokret
[09:21] <suncokret> i have problem
[09:21] <silverlion> suncokret : try me ... but be aware. i am a newbie supporter too :D
[09:22] <suncokret> i can't play midi files
[09:22] <suncokret> i use audacious
[09:22] <suncokret> but i don't know how to play midi
[09:23] <silverlion> suncokret : try vlc. audacious has not the right codecs afaik
[09:24] <suncokret> i don't have vlc, i tried now with smplayer but it don't work
[09:25] <silverlion> try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc" (without the ") in terminal
[09:26] <suncokret> i don't like vlc, but i can install it just to try midi
[09:27] <suncokret> but it must work in audacious
[09:28] <suncokret> can you play midi files in vlc?
[09:28] <silverlion> suncokret : if you insist on audacious try http://linuxtechie.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/how-to-ubuntu-midi-playback-with-audacious/
[09:29] <silverlion> suncokret : or alternatively http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087089&s=e809cf97c2fd1e3defdc72c44ecda1aa&p=12368595#post12368595
[09:30] <suncokret> thank you... i will see this
[09:31] <suncokret> it is a problem to play hardvare midi with linux
[09:32] <suncokret> so it is more easy to use software midi, and program for this is Timidity
[09:43] <suncokret> it don't need timidity just audacious, i try with software fluid synth and it wokr
[09:43] <suncokret> work
[09:43] <silverlion> great ;) means mission accomplished ;)
[11:18] <lord4163> I installed Lubuntu 14.04 and not everything is translated to dutch?
[11:25] <lord4163> How to fix that?
[11:32] <hateball> lord4163: sudo apt-get install language-pack-nl
[11:32] <lord4163> this is so confusing it by default installs swedish language pack too, whyyyy
[11:33] <lord4163> but it is not checked in the list?
[11:35] <lord4163> No it's still in English.
[11:39] <lord4163> hateball: That is installed
[12:12] <phillw> lord4163: it is also quite possible that not all of lubuntu was translated into nl. There is a shortage of translators (hint hint)
[12:12] <lord4163> phillw: I don't think so because Ubuntu has everything translated.
[12:12] <lord4163> phillw: can you show me if that is the case, then I'll make work of that
[12:12] <phillw> lord4163: which backs up what I said about lubuntu :)
[12:13] <lord4163> phillw: ^
[12:13] <lord4163> Lubuntu == Ubuntu
[12:15] <phillw> lord4163: no, the lx parts are specific to lubuntu and thus need translators.
[12:15] <phillw> lord4163: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[12:16] <phillw> has where the translators are up to for ubuntu, lx translations take place via lxde (soon to be lxqt)
[12:16] <lord4163> I'll take a look, audacious and galculator for example aren't trnaslated
[12:17] <phillw> there is also a page with links for lubuntu at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations
[12:19] <lord4163> Ah Audacious on Ubuntu hasn't been translated either, well then, then I got something to do, if I translate will those be merged into 14.04?
[12:42] <phillw> there are still point releases for 14.04 to come (14.04.1 was recently released). You'd need to check with someone from translation team, it is not an area that I'm familiar with.
[13:17] <lord4163> phillw: hm pootle is really confusing
[13:22] <phillw> lord4163: I'm sorry I cannot assist you, I know nothing of it. head over to #ubuntu-translators for help :)
[13:23] <phillw> it's ubuntu, there is a channel for everything :)
[13:24] <lord4163> I see our Dutch friend Pjotr did translations yesterday.
[13:24] <lord4163> phillw: I'll take a look
[13:30] <lord4163> phillw: Oh and how to disable the scroll switch workspace annoyance
[13:30] <lord4163> ?
[13:31] <phillw> lord4163: it is our FAQ's... let go dig up the link for you :)
[13:31] <lord4163> yeah but it's different in 14.04 it seems
[13:32] <phillw> lord4163: does https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_how_using_the_scrollwheel_on_the_switches_to_the_next_Desktop no longer work?
[13:33] <lord4163> phillw: I couldn't find it in my config file
[13:34] <phillw> hmm, they have moved some of the config files...
[13:35] <lord4163> No the config file itself is there, but the XML has changed, that line isn't in that file.
[13:35] <phillw> lord4163: it is ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[13:36] <phillw> evidently now a per user setting :)
[13:36] <phillw> it shows in my file
[13:37] <lord4163> you are on 14.04
[13:37] <lord4163> ?
[13:37] <phillw> I'm on 14.10 :)
[13:37] <Nemin> Hi
[13:38] <lord4163> phillw: there are like 10 options, don't know which to remove
[13:38] <phillw> hi Nemin,
[13:39] <Nemin> Would someone please help me? I am trying to install Plop to my grub, however when i select it it blinks, but does not load.
[13:39] <lord4163> phillw: who decides that anyways, it's such a stupid and confusing thing.
[13:39] <phillw> lord4163: take a backup of the file and comment out the section as detailed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_how_using_the_scrollwheel_on_the_switches_to_the_next_Desktop
[13:39] <phillw> !plop | Nemin
[13:40] <lord4163> phillw: is it compatible with 14.04's config?
[13:40] <Nemin> phillw: Umm, sorry what?
[13:41] <phillw> Nemin: I've never used plop, I can only suggest that you have a read of http://askubuntu.com/questions/271840/how-to-use-plop-boot-manager-to-boot-from-usb-in-linux (The last attempt was to see if the bot knew of plop, it said no)
[13:42] <lord4163> phillw: Oh sorry I don't know spanish haha en 14.04 forigu la linioj, (borra las líneas)
[13:42] <phillw> lord4163: should be the same. 14.10 is only a bug fix for 14.04 for our release which is why I'm happy to run with it in production mode to ensure it can take everything that I throw at lubuntu installs :)
[13:43] <Nemin> phillw: Yes, i saw that thanks, however when i start using that menu entry, the cursor just blinks and nothing happens, then i must restart my PC using the power button.
[13:44] <phillw> Nemin: also have a read of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15599199/how-to-use-plop-boot-manager-to-boot-from-usb-in-linux
[13:48] <Nemin> phillw: Thanks, i will try this, so be "right" back, bye
[13:51] <lord4163> phillw: well, I think the installer is just <censored> up, I choosed Stockholm as my location, therefor it adds Swedish to the system up and mixes up everything, it looks ridiculous
[13:54] <lord4163> http://i.imgur.com/0Ya8naq.png
[14:07] <phillw> there must not have been enough translators. I am aware that they are few in number and that those there are really work very hard to get done what they can. If you volunteer to help, they will be very grateful.
[14:11] <lord4163> yeah but it's like everywhere, audacious has their own thing, galculator, I don't know where it has their translations, Lubuntu itself pootle and then Ubuntu on Launchpad.
[14:34] <switchtehbeat> so, I'm going to install lubuntu on my desktop. anything I should know about?
[14:34] <Nemin32> Hi, i have a problem with installing Plop to grub2. When i select it in the menu it shows only a blinking cursor. Can anyone please help? Here is a part of my grub.cfg: http://paste.debian.net/116696/
[14:38] <phillw> switchtehbeat: read the read me notes :)
[14:39] <phillw> Nemin32: as we all share the same installer, you may have more chance of a response on #ubuntu
[14:40] <Nemin32> phillw: Ok thanks, i will try . :)
[14:41] <phillw> I've no experience with plop.
[14:42] <Nemin32> phillw: Me neither.
[14:45] <phillw> Nemin32: I've found this for you. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16822/boot-from-a-usb-drive-even-if-your-bios-wont-let-you/ howtogeek are known for decent "how to's " and I've sent people to their articles in the past. If you do follow it, please let me know how you fare so I know if to reccomend it to people in the future :)
[14:46] <switchtehbeat> phillw, will do
[14:46] <switchtehbeat> where do i find them phillw ?
[14:47] <Nemin32> phillw: Well, this was the first article i saw, but thanks anyways.
[14:47] <Nemin32> phillw: Probably, i should stop trying and search another solution.
[14:47] <phillw> switchtehbeat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[14:48] <phillw> Nemin32: did it not work?
[14:49] <Nemin32> phillw: Sadly it only seems burning Plop into a cd, and using it that way is the only working solution for me.
[14:50] <phillw> no floppy drive?
[14:50] <Nemin32> phillw: As my wicked computer, has the option for booting from USB, but it does not work
[14:50] <Nemin32> No
[14:50] <Nemin32> Just CD and USB
[14:51] <switchtehbeat> thanks phillw
[14:51] <switchtehbeat> :D
[14:52] <phillw> okies, from my memory, there can be a couple of USB options in BIOS - I had to use one that just seemed totally wrong for it to boot from USB stick.
[14:52] <switchtehbeat> I'm moving from ubuntu 14.04.1 because it was lagging. should this be better?
[14:52] <phillw> so I'd suggest trying them all :)
[14:52] <Nemin32> I tried them all.
[14:52] <phillw> switchtehbeat: lubuntu is less resource hungry than ubuntu
[14:53] <switchtehbeat> yeah but i have an i7 with 8gb ram, ubuntu still lagged :(
[14:53] <Nemin32> I have usb- zip,fdd,hdd, and a fourth that i dont remember
[14:53] <phillw> Nemin32: usb-hdd should work. How are yo making the usb stick?
[14:53] <Nemin32> I use Unetbootin, with the downloaded ISO.
[14:53] <phillw> switchtehbeat: could be a graphics card driver issue
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> i have a crap gpu
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> 1sec
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> amd hd 5450 is what i have
[14:54] <phillw> Nemin32: unetbootin can fail, there is OBI which is ready for field testing, if you want to to try it?
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> i don't have the cash to  upgrade yet :(
[14:55] <phillw> switchtehbeat: lubuntu will not strain your GPU :)
[14:55] <Nemin32> obi?
[14:55] <switchtehbeat> thanks phillw can i install along side windows?
[14:55] <Nemin32> May i ask, what is it?
[14:55] <phillw> Nemin32: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI
[14:57] <Nemin32> phillw: It looks good, i will try it :)
[14:57] <phillw> switchtehbeat: yes, lubuntu uses the same installer as all of the family. So, just follow the same rules of making the free disk space using windows etc. etc.
[14:57] <switchtehbeat> thanks
[14:58] <phillw> Nemin32: it's now got to be packaged up as a .deb, has a man file etc. Nio has done astounding work, "with a bit of help from his friends.. :) "
[14:58] <switchtehbeat> 1 more question, sorry. is there an option to backup my settings and apps?
[14:58] <Nemin32> Does it work with only Lubuntu, or with some other? (I am perfectly happy with any, just for curiosity)
[14:58] <switchtehbeat> in the lubuntu settings?
[14:59] <phillw> switchtehbeat: take your own backup :) clonezilla is free and does a good job with GUI if you're at all nervous.
[15:00] <switchtehbeat> I have norton recovery I use for my windows backup BUT because im install along side windows 7, i can't see the drive. or can I?
[15:00] <phillw> Nemin32: it works with all ISO's the wiki page says which ones he has set up. (They are stored on my server)
[15:01] <phillw> switchtehbeat: not too sure if Norton can 'see' ext4 partitions. clonezilla can see both ext4 and ntfs
[15:01] <switchtehbeat> i will try :) god bless you.
[15:01] <switchtehbeat> :D
[15:01] <switchtehbeat> thanks again
[15:08] <Nemin32> phillw: Epic, this will be the "next-gen" linux installer? :)
[15:11] <phillw> Nemin32: it is getting geared up to go for proposal to debian, but that is still ~ 12 months off. The team working on it are happy that it works. As it is based on dd it will always work :) OBI has a sister project https://help.ubuntu.com/community/9w by the same guy.
[15:37] <switchtehbeat> omg! is it normal that lubuntu installs really, really quick? I thought it would be half an hour. went to smoke a cig, come back and it's installed???
[15:37] <switchtehbeat> it's also blazing fast omg :D
[15:46] <phillw> switchtehbeat: oh, it's fast :D
[15:47] <switchtehbeat> it's god damn awesome, ubuntu lagged but at 4.6 it's really showing the speed :D
[15:47] <switchtehbeat> 4.6ghz*
[15:48] <switchtehbeat> thanks for your help btw, i installed through my usb with no problems :D
[15:52] <switchtehbeat> phillw, i wanna install sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree how do i do it with lubuntu? I can't find the terminal -.-
[15:53] <switchtehbeat> nvm lol found it :D thanks! :D
[15:55] <phillw> switchtehbeat: it will take a little while to learn the lubuntu menu system, just be patient. 99% of the time it is there. If you get stuck, do not be shy to ask.
[15:57] <switchtehbeat> yeah it's sorted now :) can I lurk here?
[16:28] <OERIAS> #lubuntu-offtopic
[16:28] <OERIAS> sorry, forgot to /join
[17:31] <patarr> hello. I was wondering why i dont have pidgin notifications in Lubuntu? No panel item, or no libnotify bubbles or anything
[17:31] <holstein> patarr: could be there is an lxde notifier that you can add
[17:33] <holstein> i havent messed with it, personally, but i remember using notify-osd or whtaever main ubuntu uses in lxde to facilitate some notification behavior i preferred
[17:34] <holstein> i might try this older guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1905408 and try not adding any of the PPA's
[17:35] <holstein> i would personally fire up a live CD and experiement with notifications til i get what i want
[17:39] <patarr> installed pidgin-libnotify and libnotify-bin to no avail
[17:39] <patarr> holstein: thanks, i will check that out
[18:45] <Ascavasaion> Hello there, ran an update and my default keyboard has gone from UK to US.  Can someone please tell me how to change it back to UK?
[18:53] <Ascavasaion> Okay, I figured that out :)  Next question... the network manager icon at the right of the panel at the bottom... It is greyed out and I cannot access anything there.  Tooltip says "Network disabled".  How can I get that up and running again permanently please?
[18:54] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i just right click and enable.. but, it can also be hardware switches, or lack of driver support.. more information please..
[18:55] <Ascavasaion> "Enable Network" is greyed out.
[18:56] <holstein> Ascavasaion: ok
[18:56] <holstein> Ascavasaion: so, did it *ever* work?
[18:56] <anarkhos> Ascavasaion: what do you see if you type "ifconfig" in the command-line?
[18:56] <Ascavasaion> Holstein.. yes, Remember yesterday I asked re upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04?  Well I did that upgrade this morning.
[18:56] <Ascavasaion> Since then it does not work.
[18:57] <holstein> Ascavasaion: could be, there is just a simple driver you need to add, or, the driver/module supporting the device is not available to 14.04
[18:57] <holstein> Ascavasaion: did the network work with 14.04 live?
[18:57] <Ascavasaion> If I just click on it I get "No network devices are available"... but I am using it right now.
[18:58] <Ascavasaion> Holstein... I never used 14.04 Live, I ran the update from within 12.04.
[18:58] <holstein> i typically find (assuming you are talking about a wifi connection) that its simplest to connect to wired internet and look for proprietary drivers
[18:58] <Ascavasaion> holstein: The WiFi is working.
[18:58] <Ascavasaion> Holstein... I am here using it.  But there is no way to edit etc.
[18:58] <holstein> Ascavasaion:then, i am not following the question, or issue
[18:59] <Ascavasaion> holstein... I used to be able to edit connections for Wired and Wifi, Mobile as well, from withint that applet.  Now I cannot it says there are no network devices.   But there are, and the WiFi at least is working because I am chatting to you with it right now.
[19:00] <holstein> Ascavasaion: personally, i would look for and apply updates, then, i would look into the user config.. its simple to try another user, even just simply the guest account, and see what the nm-applet is able to control
[19:01] <holstein> Ascavasaion: could be, in the upgrade, the user config is "broken" for the applet to control the network.. you can also try manually running "nm-applet" and see
[19:03] <Ascavasaion> Oddly, it seems my user account has lost sudo access.
[19:03] <holstein> Ascavasaion: then, that can be the issue, right there.. user permissions
[19:03] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i might, if i have *no* other admin access, use the root recovery console to create a new user with sudo admin access, and just login and test and go on from there
[19:04] <Ascavasaion> Tried to run Software Updater and it says I do not have adequate permissions.
[19:04] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sure
[19:04] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you can open a terminal and try "sudo -s"
[19:04] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you can use the recovery console i reference if you have no sudo access in the only user
[19:05] <Ascavasaion> running nm-applet as root and evrything is perfect.
[19:05] <holstein> Ascavasaion: then, its a simple permissions issue with the user
[19:05] <holstein> the user not having "rights" to edit networks
[19:06] <Ascavasaion> Can I do that with Users and Groups under Preferences?
[19:06] <holstein> Ascavasaion: depends.. but, that would be a nice place to start
[19:06] <holstein> just knowing nothing is broken is a step in the right direction
[19:06] <holstein> no need to reinstall packages, or sudo break things, since nothing is broken.. you can just work with the user to give it the permissions you need
[19:07] <Ascavasaion> Cannot use it, I suspect that is because I do not have root privileges... Need to figure out its name and sudo it I think
[19:07] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sudo -s
[19:08] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, it is called users-admin :)
[19:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you open a terminal and run "sudo -s" and see if the user you are using is *able* to sudo
[19:08] <Ascavasaion> sudo -s takes me to root@
[19:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: then, your user *can* sudo
[19:08] <Ascavasaion> Yes.
[19:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: so, you can "gksudo application-name" to open them as "root"..
[19:09] <holstein> !groups
[19:09] <holstein> !permission
[19:10] <holstein> may be as easy as adding the user to netdev
[19:10] <holstein> sudo adduser "yourusername" netdev
[19:11] <Ascavasaion> Would that entail a reboot, relogin?
[19:11] <Ascavasaion> Afterwards
[19:12] <holstein> Ascavasaion: yes.. at least a logout and back
[19:12] <Ascavasaion> the adduserworked without errors... let me retry it.
[19:15] <Ascavasaion> Holstein: Okay, it never worked.
[19:16] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sure
[19:16] <holstein> Ascavasaion: *but*, you know what the issue is
[19:16] <Ascavasaion> Yes
[19:16] <holstein> what would i do? personally, i dont do upgrades for these reasons.. i much prefer a fresh install.. that being said, it should be simple enough to track this down
[19:16] <Ascavasaion> Going to create a whole new user account
[19:16] <holstein> yeah.. i would start there.. make a new user, and test and see that all is well
[19:17] <holstein> if it is, i can then either "repair" the old one, or just migrate
[19:17] <Ascavasaion> I cannot cut and paste out of this terminal... let me see if I can out of the other ones.
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> joel@fellowship:~$ sudo -s
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> [sudo] password for joel:
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> root@fellowship:~#
[19:19] <Ascavasaion> now there I know nothing... users I know a smidgen... but talloc and leaking memory?  Hell no.
[19:21] <Ascavasaion> brb
[19:32] <Ascavasaion> Holstein, Okay, so far a no go.
[20:26] <switchtehbeat> I know I asked before but I tried clonezilla and because I only have 1 HDD, it wouldn't backup my OS. I have tried norton ghost and it doesn't detect ext4. is there anotheer way I can backup lubuntu?
[20:26] <switchtehbeat> I don't see it in any options
[20:26] <switchtehbeat> :(
[20:27] <switchtehbeat> I just installed it on 3 systems but would love backup IN CASE I mess up.....
[20:27] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure.. i would read more about clonezilla, or ask in the community about them. i backup with it, but its not "trivial"
[20:27] <holstein> if i had one hard drive, the top priority for me would be to get another one, since all drives fail..
[20:27] <switchtehbeat> holstein, I tried to use it, it's a bit complicated but it said I couldn't back to my local hdd :(
[20:28] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure.. you *shouldnt* be backing up one partition to another on the same drive.
[20:28] <switchtehbeat> where am I suppose to backup too then?
[20:28] <holstein> switchtehbeat: it really depends on what you want a backup of, and for.. personally, i would just copy the /home and files i want to save to a seperate location
[20:29] <switchtehbeat> holstein, I just want a backup of lubuntu
[20:29] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure. but, "backup" is a large concept with many degrees of results
[20:29] <switchtehbeat> so if I install something bad, I can restore the backup...
[20:29] <holstein> switchtehbeat: typically folks just make a copy of the users /home
[20:29] <wxl> +1 on clonezilla
[20:29] <switchtehbeat> wxl, it's hard to use though :/
[20:30] <melodie> switchtehbeat you should install packages which are provided with the package manager, and nothing directly from internet : so you don't install something bad
[20:30] <switchtehbeat> holstein, yeah but....if i copy it to say my memory stick, how do i copy it back over if i mess up?
[20:30] <switchtehbeat> melodie, yes i know :p
[20:30] <holstein> switchtehbeat: personally, clonezilla works great for a clone of the OS, but i would want another drive
[20:30] <ianorlin> what do you have to copy it onto?
[20:30] <wxl> i mean you could clone a whole drive in like, what, 5-10 mnutes?
[20:30] <wxl> default settings work fine
[20:30] <holstein> switchtehbeat: otherwise, what i suggest is, backup the users /home, and files to a *different* location.. a different drive, and then experiement with installing "bad" things in VM or a live CD
[20:30] <switchtehbeat> discs and memory stick ianorlin
[20:31] <ianorlin> !details
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> holstein, yes but how can I copy it back over ?
[20:31] <holstein> switchtehbeat: if you have the /home files copied, you would reinstall, then, copy the files back over.. all of which would happen in a simple file manager
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> just copy/pasta?
[20:31] <holstein> switchtehbeat: as i said, a simple file manager
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> ugh
[20:31] <wxl> holstein: of course if he is trying to protect a whole install it might make sense to also backup things like /etc
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> I might as well just re-install it -.-
[20:32] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure.. thats what im saying
[20:32]  * wxl eats a bowl of copy/pasta
[20:32] <switchtehbeat> damn norton it backed up my windows fine omg this is ghey
[20:32] <holstein> switchtehbeat: but, clonezille works well for clonging the OS
[20:32] <switchtehbeat> yes i know but I only have 1 drive
[20:32] <switchtehbeat> :(
[20:32] <holstein> switchtehbeat: nothing about lubuntu is preventing norton from supporting ext4
[20:33] <wxl> switchtehbeat: i usually clone to the same usb key i have clonezilla on
[20:33] <holstein> switchtehbeat: you *need* to get another drive.. even norton backing up windows to the same drive is a bad idea
[20:33] <switchtehbeat> holstein, I can use a memory stick? 16gb should be fine?
[20:33] <holstein> switchtehbeat: *all* hard drives fail, and one need for a backup is for when the drive *does* fail
[20:33] <switchtehbeat> holstein, ^ :p
[20:33] <ianorlin> those aren't the best for backups
[20:33] <ianorlin> as they don't take writing well not much space and easy to lose
[20:34] <ianorlin> it will work but not ideal
[20:34] <wxl> you don't need space for a clone
[20:34] <holstein> switchtehbeat: i dont know what kind of space requirements you have.. but, i suggest an external USB drive.. a simple cheap spinning one. or, even 2 that are mirrored, and in different locations
[20:34] <holstein> depends on what you are backing up and how..
[20:34] <holstein> for a simple desktop sytem, the users /home is typically all folks want/need
[20:34] <switchtehbeat> if i backup a 14gb windows os, will the backup be huge?
[20:35] <switchtehbeat> because right now lubuntu is using 6gb where as windows is using 14gb
[20:35] <wxl> switchtehbeat: if you back the whole thing up, yes. if you clone it with clonezilla, no.
[20:35] <wxl> switchtehbeat: the best way to solve your windows problems is to delete it ;)
[20:35] <switchtehbeat> yeah im gonna clonezilla to my usb stick
[20:35] <holstein> switchtehbeat: i dont use windows, but, i would, as i stated, want a larger simple spinning hard drive to backup or clone *any* os to
[20:35] <switchtehbeat> yeah thanks :)
[20:35] <holstein> windows or linux.. either one
[20:36] <holstein> if all i had was a USB stick, i would just put my data on the stick, and understand that reinstallation is how i "Repair" issues
[20:36] <holstein> i would experiemnt with live CD's and the guest account, or VM
[20:36] <wxl> …or learn how to fix "installation problems" yourself
[20:37] <wxl> undoing things in linux is fairly trivial
[20:37] <switchtehbeat> I like to back things up hahahahhahaha :D
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> just installing lubuntu on my last system :)
[20:38] <holstein> and, you should.. but not to the same hard drive
[20:38] <holstein> its like, you like to and want to, but dont have the proper tools
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> yeah holstein
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> I need cash for a bigger hdd ssd etc
[20:38] <holstein> get a cheap spinning external usb drive.. it'll help tremendously
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> :(
[20:38] <holstein> switchtehbeat: i never said ssd..
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> i did though
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> :p
[20:39] <holstein> switchtehbeat: you *dont* need an ssd drive to have a proper backup of your operating systems
[20:39] <switchtehbeat> yep you're right
[20:40] <holstein> regardless or if/when you migrate to an ssd, the external spinning hard drive will be helpful.. they are handy for storing data and backups and clones..
[20:40] <switchtehbeat> im gonna see if I can do it with my usb stick once it's finished installing lubuntu :)
[20:40] <switchtehbeat> thanks again
[20:42]  * wxl doesn't trust ssds still for desktop use
[20:48] <holstein> wxl: id do.. when i have them backed up to spinning drives :)
[22:19] <Guest95919> hello
[22:20] <Guest95919> can someone help me please
[22:20] <wxl> !ask | Guest95919
[22:21] <Guest95919> ok
[22:22] <Guest95919> i have sound on left on alsamixer
[22:22] <Guest95919> and the sound is poor
[22:23] <wxl> i'm not sure i see the question.
[22:23] <Guest95919> can i change  for another like pulseaudio?
[22:24] <wxl> you can use pulseaudio if you like, but if you have hardware problems (seems like it), it won't fix it, and it will just make your system load greater.
[22:25] <wxl> pulseaudio is an ADDITION to alsa (what we use). you don't actually replace something with it.
[22:26] <Guest95919> can i change it for another?
[22:27] <wxl> not really. there are very few actual sound servers out there. the only other option is oss and it has more or less been abandoned by the linux community.
[22:27] <wxl> i would start by looking into fixing the problem on the hardware end.
[22:28] <wxl> if you can confirm it's not a hardware problem, then i would look into drivers.
[22:28] <wxl> if you can confirm is not the drivers, you can look at how you have alsamixer setup (maybe volume is too loud and one of the channels is muted)
[22:28] <wxl> if that doesn't fix it, you can try pulseaudio, but i have serious doubts it will help
[22:28] <wxl> (since pulseaudio runs on top of alsa)
[22:28] <Guest95919> i was using ubuntu 12.04 lts and i don't have problem
[22:30] <wxl> then try pulseaudio. you can always rmeove it. you may have one of those troublesome sound cards that appears to need it.
[22:30] <Guest95919> i dont think its a hardware problem
[22:32] <Guest95919> i said that because i use windows on dual boot and its ok
[22:34] <Guest95919> do you have other suggestion than pulseaudio?
[22:37] <Guest95919> thank you have a nice day
[22:37] <Guest95919> bye
[23:24] <anarkhos> hi
[23:24] <anarkhos> "1. Run: dmesg > dmesg_before; echo mem > /sys/power/state; dmesg > dmesg_after"
[23:25] <anarkhos> am i supposed to press enter where the semicolons are?
[23:26] <orliesaurus> no you can do it all at once
[23:26] <wxl> anarkhos: you could
[23:26] <orliesaurus> ; is just separating the commands
[23:26] <orliesaurus> so they run in succession
[23:26] <wxl> but yeah it's written so you do it all at once
[23:27] <anarkhos> ahh
[23:54] <anarkhos> "If dmesg_after exists, it means that the system can be resumed from BIOS, so it's likely to be a graphics issue." - it exists. so it is maybe a graphics issue after all?
[23:54] <wxl> sounds like it, anarkhos
[23:55] <anarkhos> i thought so in the beginning, but had largely dismissed that possibility
[23:57] <anarkhos> "Enable "CONFIG_PM_DEBUG" in kernel configuration, so that we can use /sys/power/pm_test." - how can i do that?