[00:00] <elhoir> did i do anything wrong?
[00:01] <SonikkuAmerica> !paste | elhoir, for future ref
[00:01] <elhoir> that was 2 lines only :(
[00:01] <TJ-> elhoir: change the 'eXecute' *permissions* bit of that file to prevent it being executed :)
[00:01] <elhoir> oh lol
[00:01] <elhoir> sorry!
[00:02] <elhoir> okay :P
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, heya
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hi Akiva-Thinkpad
[12:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, what can I help you with today?
[12:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, Calm down mam; your cd rom is not a cup holder.
[12:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, No mam; I am not an idiat
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, not much, I hang out here
[12:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, I am so glad we could get that resolved
[12:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, what's this BS?
[12:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail152.html
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, I don't click on urls posted by users I don't know, so don't bother
[12:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, it had flash in it, so you were probably better off :P
[13:54] <chrs_> so desktop next is severly broken on laptops
[13:54] <chrs_> but thats ok since i don't need mir anyway
[13:56] <BluesKaj> that's why i run kde, no such troubles
[13:58] <chrs_> does kde support HiDPI screens?
[13:58] <chrs_> by "support" i mean "are most things readable"
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:58] <chrs_> hm, interesting
[14:01] <BluesKaj> one can increase the dpi for large screens, but chromium tab fonts don't integrate well with kde settings or even gtk now for that matter
[14:01] <BluesKaj> that's the only problem I've encoutered so far
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu is eventually going to switch to Wayland from X, but there's no official release or date afaik
[14:05] <qengho> BluesKaj: Do you know how kde's DPI is discovered by apps?  If chromium should be smarter, maybe I can help.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> qengho, no I assume the dpi is set as 96dpi by default in system settings>application appearance>fonts
[14:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, desktop next?
[14:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, you arent talking about 14.10, but an additional image to that, right?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> there's a plasma5 image available now, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/
[15:14] <chrs_> Akiva-Thinkpad: yeah there are two versions of 14.10 apparently
[15:15] <chrs_> Akiva-Thinkpad: i grabbed the "desktop-next" iso thinking it was better, by whatever arbitrary naive measure i had in my mind at the time
[15:15] <chrs_> i guess it's "next" because it has mir
[15:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, interesting. Well one thing to keep in mind, is that the desktop session hasnt even been designed yet. The recent Developer get together, the designs for the tablet are next, and the desktop will probably land some time in 15.10
[15:15] <chrs_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[15:16] <chrs_> Akiva-Thinkpad: ok, that pretty much explains what i saw
[15:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, there is also a ppa on launchpad
[15:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> sec
[15:16] <chrs_> installed the "normal" desktop image instead
[15:16] <chrs_> and that seems to be working fine
[15:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> https://launchpad.net/unity8-desktop-session
[15:16] <BluesKaj> what's normal?
[15:17] <chrs_> BluesKaj: the 14.10 image from last night us eastern
[15:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, yah; ive been running 14.10 since the initial alpha; besides some sleep issues
[15:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its been perfectly stable
[15:17] <chrs_> i haven't tried sleep yet
[15:17] <BluesKaj> unity DE?
[15:17] <chrs_> i was too scared
[15:17] <chrs_> BluesKaj: yes
[15:17] <chrs_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:17] <chrs_> oops
[15:18] <BluesKaj> normal for some I guess , not me
[15:18] <chrs_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20140820/utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:18] <chrs_> ^ that one
[15:18] <chrs_> BluesKaj: whats normal for you?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> KDE
[15:19] <chrs_> i figured unity de was the most widely installed
[15:19] <chrs_> i could be wrong
[15:19] <chrs_> but maybe "normal" isn't the best word
[15:19] <chrs_> i couldn't think of "unity de"
[15:19] <elfy> ubuntu probably is :)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> it probly is, unfortunately
[15:20] <chrs_> elfy: what is ubunty? gnome?
[15:20] <chrs_> BluesKaj: what's wrong with unity?
[15:20] <elfy> ubunty is a made up name like some of the others I've seen :p Ubuntu is unity and gnome
[15:20] <elfy> not everyone in here uses that chrs_
[15:21] <chrs_> i realize that
[15:21] <elfy> BluesKaj and me for example :)
[15:21] <chrs_> but i mean, is there something about it you don't like?
[15:21] <chrs_> i'm just curious
[15:21] <BluesKaj> wrong? probly nothing now, just not to my taste that's all ..prefer the fexibility of KDE and easily organized desktop
[15:22] <elfy> yes - it's not xfce - it's not wrong, I just don't like it personally
[15:22] <chrs_> theres another popular project named "unity"
[15:22] <BluesKaj> and the KDE "look" of course
[15:22] <chrs_> it's some kind of game/multimedia engine
[15:22] <chrs_> i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it's a little confusing
[15:23] <chrs_> i find kde kind of boring looking
[15:23] <chrs_> i guess i haven't really used it in a while though
[15:23] <chrs_> remember cde?
[15:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, yah; if you like customizability, kde is bar none the winner
[15:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> for me though it was always a time waster... I JUST COULDNT HELP MYSELF!
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, I'm an old windows guy who discovered KDE about 12-13 yrs ago after discovering Linux first and gnome was never my cuppa tea
[15:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj wow, you go way back :P
[15:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, I sort of miss those days;
[15:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Unity though does something that I wish KDE would do; hud :)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, not as far as alot of linux users believe me
[15:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> although I heard there was a program being developed for that; I would give kde a shot
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hud is unity thing , probly needs it
[15:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, yah; not every app utilizes it well, but something like the gimp works really well with it
[15:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> given it has about 300 menu items
[15:33] <chrs_> i'm not a huge gnome fan
[15:33] <chrs_> but i think unity is ok
[15:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, I tried gnomeshell; maybe it was just me, but I felt like the search was not as good as unity's
[15:34] <chrs_> i'd actually be fine with using kde if everyone switched to that for some reason
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> it was like using ask.com instead of google.com
[15:34] <chrs_> there are so many options to chose from if you're a linux/bsd/unix user
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, well what is interesting now, is that I am starting to use the new unity qml apps
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I got rid of nautilus
[15:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> now I use the filebrowser app :)
[15:35] <chrs_> does unity use natilus?
[15:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yep
[15:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> unity7
[15:35] <chrs_> can you use filebrowser with unity?
[15:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yep, i'll screen shot it
[15:35] <chrs_> instead of nautilus
[15:35] <chrs_> ok cool
[15:35] <chrs_> nautilus was slow back in the day
[15:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> http://imgur.com/LrkN8IY
[15:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mmmmm nautilus has been stripping some of its features
[15:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> which bugs me
[15:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> then again filebrowser is still in its infancy, but its coming a long way
[15:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, oh and you should see the new terminal
[15:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :9
[15:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, BluesKaj http://i.imgur.com/Ntu399y.png
[15:39] <chrs_> that looks cool
[15:39] <chrs_> what terminal is that?
[15:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> chrs_, the touch terminal
[15:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> err for ubuntu touch
[15:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that look will be optional though
[15:47] <chrs_> i figured
[15:47] <chrs_> mac os x has something like that
[15:47] <chrs_> cathode i think it's called
[15:47] <chrs_> not sure about ios
[15:48] <chrs_> it would be nice to have that eye candy option on a linux desktop
[15:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Alright; think I'm gonna head out
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> whats the rtm date again btw?
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> opps
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> wc
[20:06] <kbroulik> hi, when I'm running an apt-get update on my utopic I get "GPG error: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com utopic Release The following signatures were invalid:  BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>", how do I solve this?
[20:19] <brainwash> kbroulik: maybe try again in few minutes/hours
[20:19] <brainwash> could be a temporary problem
[20:19] <kbroulik> ha, indeed, just tried again, now it works. thanks nonetheless