| zmoylan-pi | and tonights movie is clue. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088930/ | 00:22 |
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| davmor2 | Morning all | 04:46 |
| Myrtti | morning | 06:18 |
| mapps | never gonna learn am i | 06:51 |
| mapps | hey Myrtti | 06:51 |
| Myrtti | hey mapps | 07:05 |
| knightwise | Morning everyone | 07:10 |
| knightwise | installed ubuntu server on my mac mini last weekend. | 07:12 |
| Myrtti | knightwise: \o/ | 07:15 |
| OERIAS | I installed Ubuntu 6.04 on an iBook G4 | 07:15 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: seriously ? | 07:19 |
| knightwise | why such an old version | 07:19 |
| knightwise | there are PPC versions out for 12.04 | 07:19 |
| knightwise | On the mac mini , i did notice it was running hot .. installed lmsensors and now its cooling down nicely | 07:19 |
| mapps | gonna have to fly from gib -> london then london -> moscow in january | 07:19 |
| mapps | :( | 07:20 |
| mapps | didnt realise id be moving | 07:20 |
| mapps | when i booked my flights | 07:20 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: its a perfect little server , silent, small and powerfull | 07:20 |
| knightwise | the I7 with 16 gigs of ram knows what to do all day long runnign about 5 virtual servers all the time | 07:21 |
| Myrtti | yeah, we've got one too as a living room computer | 07:21 |
| Myrtti | we've got different kit to act as a server, though | 07:21 |
| Myrtti | HP microserver and a ReadyNAS with 4x4TB dribes | 07:21 |
| knightwise | I have hooked up a 3tb usb drive for storage and thats mostly all I need | 07:21 |
| Myrtti | drives, in RAID5 | 07:22 |
| knightwise | hmmm..... i'm drooling over one of those | 07:22 |
| knightwise | what OS do you run on that microserver ? | 07:22 |
| Myrtti | Debian | 07:22 |
| knightwise | and just as a fileserver or does it also do other things ? | 07:22 |
| knightwise | (plex for example) | 07:22 |
| Myrtti | it's not even a file server, NAS takes care of that | 07:22 |
| Myrtti | it's a VM host | 07:22 |
| knightwise | so you have a hp microserver as a vm host ? | 07:23 |
| Myrtti | one VM for plex, one for my irssi needs, and some dsample's projects he has every now and then | 07:23 |
| knightwise | what specs does it have ? The ones I saw were like 2 gigs of ram and an amd proc | 07:23 |
| Myrtti | yeah | 07:23 |
| knightwise | so what are the specs on your microserver ? | 07:23 |
| Myrtti | it used to have harddrives on it it but dsample decided to slap them all to a NAS | 07:24 |
| knightwise | aha | 07:24 |
| knightwise | and what cpu does it have ?/ how much ram ? | 07:24 |
| Myrtti | after a harddrive with one copy of photo backups went pearshaped | 07:24 |
| Myrtti | I'll have a look, don't have the info off hand | 07:25 |
| knightwise | I copy our music and our pictures to a 500 gig Hd i've hooked up to our router. | 07:25 |
| knightwise | and all the important infor for our business is in the cloud or backuped on a vm in canada | 07:26 |
| Myrtti | yeah I've got multiple backups of photos | 07:26 |
| Myrtti | too paranoid to leave it for just one harddrive located in the house | 07:26 |
| knightwise | true. I'm thinking of ramming all our pics in Google drive or something | 07:27 |
| Myrtti | http://sprunge.us/DBeT - yeah it's a 2GB ram one with an AMD cpu. could have more RAM but I'm not complaining, it's still faster for my irssi needs than the Viglen MPC-L was | 07:27 |
| knightwise | 8 euros a month gets you unliited storage now. | 07:27 |
| knightwise | I can buy one of those microservers for 200 euro ... worth it ? | 07:28 |
| Myrtti | I've got all my photos in Flickr, 25€ a year for unlimited | 07:28 |
| Myrtti | I don't know if they offer that to new customers | 07:29 |
| Myrtti | I've paid for it since yonks | 07:29 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: me too ..almost up to 700 pics | 07:38 |
| knightwise | 7000 | 07:38 |
| Myrtti | 6002 for me | 07:45 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: flickr.com/knightwise | 07:47 |
| knightwise | ok , i found an hp microserver with 4 gigs of ram ... | 07:47 |
| knightwise | no drives inside .. but still nice. | 07:47 |
| Myrtti | You've got a DOGE?! | 07:47 |
| OERIAS | knightwise, later on I did install 14.04 for MacMini | 07:47 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: are you running it on a mac mini or a powerbook ? | 07:48 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 07:48 |
| Myrtti | shibas are awesome | 07:48 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: yep :) The original DOGE ;) So Wow ! µ | 07:48 |
| knightwise | hey brobostigon | 07:48 |
| brobostigon | hey knightwise | 07:48 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: shibas are cute loving and fracking stubborn | 07:48 |
| OERIAS | Both | 07:49 |
| Myrtti | I love spitzes | 07:49 |
| OERIAS | I have an iBook G4, Powerbook G4, MacMini G4 | 07:49 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: i ran 12.04 on a G4 mac mini for a while. not bad if you used the LXDE interface | 07:49 |
| Myrtti | spitzes are awesome dogs | 07:49 |
| knightwise | bummer was : no flash and stuff | 07:49 |
| OERIAS | PowerMac G5. | 07:49 |
| knightwise | the MacMini G4 is pretty great for a server , the G5 just eats uranium rods for breakfast. Those beats suck power | 07:50 |
| brobostigon | <----- hangover central, made the mistake of having a drink with my ex-fiance, | 07:50 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: those are cool to | 07:50 |
| knightwise | brobostigon: ouch | 07:50 |
| brobostigon | exactly. | 07:50 |
| OERIAS | knightwise, 14.04 doesn't run bad with CDE | 07:50 |
| Myrtti | shibas aren't spitzes? aw. Learn new every day | 07:50 |
| knightwise | CDE ? | 07:50 |
| OERIAS | Yes. Common Desktop Environment | 07:51 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: didnt know that one | 07:51 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: no :) Shibas are a variant of the Akita Inu's | 07:51 |
| brobostigon | was great to catchup with her though. | 07:51 |
| Myrtti | knightwise: oh, then they are | 07:51 |
| OERIAS | knightwise, http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/cde15solaris9.png | 07:52 |
| Myrtti | "The Shiba Inu (柴犬 ?) is the smallest of the six original and distinct spitz breeds of dog from Japan.[1]" | 07:52 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: i stand corrected | 07:52 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: ugly as hell , but very geeky :=) | 07:52 |
| Myrtti | spitzes ♥ | 07:52 |
| knightwise | Irony : Ordering a 15inch I7 macbook pro for your company ... meanwhile working off a 10 inch 4 year old netbook ... and loving that even more. | 07:53 |
| knightwise | using an old Medion netbook with LXLE , fast, cheap and geeky | 07:53 |
| brobostigon | lxde* | 07:54 |
| knightwise | lxLE | 07:54 |
| knightwise | underappreciated OS if there ever was one. | 07:54 |
| knightwise | good distro, light and clean. | 07:54 |
| * knightwise has HSP , so I love non cluttered stuff | 07:54 | |
| brobostigon | cool, i shall have to look that one up. | 07:54 |
| OERIAS | XFCE runs perfectly well on the G4s | 07:54 |
| OERIAS | XFCE is waaaaaay better than LXDE | 07:55 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: damn , i should have tried that | 07:55 |
| knightwise | and you don't miss flash that much anymore | 07:55 |
| * brobostigon is a haiku-os fan | 07:56 | |
| OERIAS | brobostigon, is it still in alpha stage? | 07:56 |
| OERIAS | Other, I might consider running and help develop a port for powerpc machines | 07:57 |
| knightwise | allthough I must say . I even use my Dell Venue 8 from time to time. all I need is a connection to the home linux server via SSH and a browser .. and I can pretty much do all I want | 07:57 |
| * knightwise is a bit of slider | 07:58 | |
| brobostigon | OERIAS: yes, however its anything but alpha, its very stable, R1 is pretty close, except for a few bugs, also the packaging system is very impressive. they definatly could do with some help there, aswell as the ARM port. | 07:58 |
| knightwise | i use all OS'es together. | 07:58 |
| OERIAS | knightwise, you use WIndows 8????!!!!! | 07:59 |
| knightwise | installed homebrew on my Mac .. now i can just run native commands and apps on my mac | 07:59 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: www.knightwise.com = hacks tips and tweaks for cross platform geeks :) | 07:59 |
| OERIAS | Well at least it doesn't run Windows RT | 07:59 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: I have my standards :p | 08:00 |
| knightwise | NO RT | 08:00 |
| knightwise | brobostigon: Haiku looks pretty | 08:02 |
| knightwise | I'm going to pose a stupid question : Can you (in irssi) have 2 chat windows side by side (2 chatrooms i mean) | 08:03 |
| brobostigon | knightwise: that it is, and very functional, and the fastest OS you will find this side of pluto. | 08:05 |
| knightwise | hmmm. i might give it a try :) | 08:06 |
| popey | morning | 08:06 |
| brobostigon | knightwise: cool. :) | 08:07 |
| brobostigon | morning popey | 08:08 |
| OERIAS | morning popey | 08:08 |
| OERIAS | Lovely SeaMonkey | 08:11 |
| brobostigon | knightwise: and if you do try haiku, go with a nightly. as the last stable release is ancient, and doesnt include things like the packaging system. | 08:16 |
| awilkins | This is looking nicer : http://oneplus.net/uk/one | 08:18 |
| awilkins | Will have to see how Android L affects my poor old Nexus 4 | 08:18 |
| knightwise | brobostigon: i'll give it a spin in a VM :=) | 08:18 |
| * knightwise ist geeking out to youarelistening.to | 08:18 | |
| brobostigon | knightwise: cool, :) | 08:18 |
| awilkins | Is this a live feed from a Copper Chopper? | 08:20 |
| knightwise | awilkins: you can choose all kinds of livestreams | 08:21 |
| knightwise | interesting stuff | 08:21 |
| knightwise | and the ambient music in the back makes it eerie | 08:21 |
| awilkins | Channel I've got has no music | 08:21 |
| awilkins | Los Angeles | 08:21 |
| knightwise | awilkins: it takes a minute to start | 08:21 |
| * awilkins switches to Wichita | 08:22 | |
| knightwise | try the "numbers station" thats bizarre | 08:22 |
| awilkins | Numbers stations are | 08:22 |
| knightwise | ive always wondered about their purpose | 08:23 |
| OERIAS | Too bad the OnePlusOne does not have external storage. | 08:23 |
| Myrtti | awilkins: sorry but I refuse to even click that link because of the marketing gaffe they did few weeks back with the 'show us your tits and you can buy a oneplus at normal price' pile of failure they did | 08:23 |
| awilkins | OERIAS, True, but with a 64GB model at £270 I wouldn't need too much external storage... does it support that thing where it's a USB host as well as a client? | 08:24 |
| awilkins | Myrtti, That's ... disappointing | 08:25 |
| OERIAS | true, only thing we can do is demand, it shouldn't hurt. | 08:26 |
| Myrtti | say again? | 08:26 |
| === deegee is now known as drussell | ||
| awilkins | I think he means an SD Card slot, and not intimate photos | 08:27 |
| Myrtti | I hope so | 08:27 |
| knightwise | Myrtti: that was their marketing campain ? ? ? | 08:30 |
| Myrtti | knightwise: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/12/oneplus-cancels-its-dumb-contest-following-uproars-of-sexism/ | 08:30 |
| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| knightwi1e | clear | 08:48 |
| knightwi1e | one one thousand ... two one thousand ... | 08:48 |
| knightwi1e | 90's kids will get this | 08:48 |
| Myrtti | oh no, my coffee cup is empty | 08:59 |
| popey | http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/bukkit-its-time-to-say-goodbye.305106/ vs https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/502380018216206336 | 09:04 |
| popey | minecraft related | 09:04 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: ooh more drama in game land | 09:07 |
| MartijnVdS | It seems to be drama week.. | 09:07 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Senior Citizens Day! :-D | 09:07 |
| popey | yeah, not enough drama llamas in gaming, clearly | 09:08 |
| * zmoylan-pi waves a cane in blessing over JamesTait | 09:08 | |
| MartijnVdS | zmoylan-pi: followed by a "now get off my lawn" | 09:08 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 09:08 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| zmoylan-pi | of course MartijnVdS, the standard blessing | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | zmoylan-pi, it would be rude not to. ;) | 09:12 |
| knightwi1e | morning everyone | 09:13 |
| knightwi1e | senior citizens day ? ? | 09:13 |
| knightwi1e | ** GET OFF MY LAWN YOU KIDS !!! *** | 09:13 |
| DJones | popey: https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/502381093731831808 | 09:13 |
| knightwi1e | MartijnVdS: you beat me to it | 09:14 |
| === msm is now known as Guest22365 | ||
| MartijnVdS | popey: https://twitter.com/_grum/status/502381523241144320 (ex-coworker of mine!) | 09:15 |
| foobarry | what is bukkit? a mincecraft mod? | 09:16 |
| popey | yay | 09:16 |
| popey | yes, quite a comprehensive one | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | but someone is throwing a hissy fit? | 09:16 |
| foobarry | does it turn pieces into real lego? | 09:16 |
| foobarry | someone somewhere is always upset, thats why i avoid twitter | 09:17 |
| foobarry | they congregate there | 09:17 |
| knightwi1e | the whole ice bucket crap has made me dump facebook | 09:17 |
| knightwi1e | (and every online newspaper i read) | 09:17 |
| popey | they also congregate on reddit and 4chan | 09:17 |
| MartijnVdS | they congregate everywhere | 09:17 |
| popey | My neice is off to Reading festival today | 09:18 |
| foobarry | oh no. | 09:18 |
| foobarry | i just realised..rading festival = rain | 09:18 |
| foobarry | but i'm at the air show | 09:18 |
| foobarry | so rain = no planes | 09:18 |
| knightwi1e | hmm. I should move over my data to my new server ... | 09:20 |
| knightwi1e | start to do a copy from one drive to the other drive ... mount some folders .. get stuff done ... | 09:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Go knightwi1e! Go knightwi1e! | 09:21 |
| knightwi1e | decomissioning my old I5 Packard bell clunker in favor of my mac mini | 09:21 |
| === knightwi1e is now known as knightwise | ||
| Myrtti | ice bucket | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | hm. | 09:22 |
| foobarry | the only ice bucket i saw was on the TV news | 09:22 |
| knightwise | stupid social challenges histeria. Been going on all summer here. | 09:23 |
| foobarry | i was disappointed to find that the cartoon i liked and followed on facebook has not been appearing in my feed for months :( | 09:23 |
| knightwise | people daring eachother to jump off a bridge into a canal | 09:23 |
| knightwise | 2 Darwin awards so far with lethal concequences. | 09:23 |
| foobarry | wife said, did you see today's one? i tought WHAT?? i thought they had stopped | 09:23 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: this is why you use an RSS reader -- facebook hides stuff | 09:23 |
| foobarry | yes :( | 09:23 |
| foobarry | but i think she only puts them on fb | 09:24 |
| knightwise | I feel 'herded' when I use it | 09:24 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: then she should pay facebook to increase the number of people who get to see it.. yes that is how it works... | 09:24 |
| foobarry | maybe if i had one accoutn for every friend i could collect the whole picture | 09:24 |
| knightwise | ...hmm been looking at dual monitor mounts for my 2 24 inch displays .. expensive sucjers. | 09:24 |
| foobarry | MartijnVdS: or i click like on every cartoon of hers | 09:25 |
| foobarry | https://www.facebook.com/pages/Em-Cartoons/148180005208895?fref=ts | 09:25 |
| foobarry | the only funny cartoon around. xkcd is witty/thoughtful though | 09:26 |
| foobarry | my boy starts school in september. things are getting expensive | 09:29 |
| awilkins | I liked Charlie Sheen's "ice bucket" challenge. He dumped $10,000 dollars over his head, donated it to the charity concerned, and dared several of his rich mates to do the same thing. | 09:32 |
| awilkins | Oh yes : gripe about Duply / duplicity | 09:35 |
| awilkins | It either needs to support a "maximum backup storage size" limit OR not moan about volume size when you give it a volume that's definitely large enough (what does it think is "too small" and why?) | 09:36 |
| awilkins | Was setting up my Mum with backup | 09:36 |
| awilkins | I thought "duplicity backups into a cloud-synced folder" | 09:36 |
| awilkins | But if it exceeds the cloud allocation with historical backups, then it will be backing up and not being mirrored | 09:37 |
| awilkins | So I thought "I'll make a loop file of the appropriate size and mount it at boot and backup to that" - duplicity will know when it's full and automatically remove old backups | 09:38 |
| awilkins | But the duplicity moans about the volume being too small (even though it's about 10x the size of the files being backed up). | 09:38 |
| knightwise | doesnt deja dup do it automatically ? | 09:39 |
| popey | foobarry: "Back to school" all over the shops | 09:39 |
| awilkins | knightwise, Doesn't have options for "limit total backup size to ...." | 09:39 |
| bigcalm | Sell the child and go on holiday \o/ | 09:40 |
| awilkins | knightwise, And it's just a frontend for duplicity AFAIK | 09:40 |
| knightwise | aha | 09:40 |
| knightwise | cant you tell it to start dumping old backups when the destination is full ? | 09:41 |
| awilkins | knightwise, It does do that - but - I'm backing up to a local folder on a large partition | 09:41 |
| awilkins | knightwise, If I put that folder on a volume designed to fill up before the cloud folder does, it moans that it's too small | 09:41 |
| awilkins | Apparently it thinks 20GB isn't good enough these days | 09:42 |
| awilkins | (even for about 2GB of files) | 09:42 |
| awilkins | Not sure where the threshold is, I've backed up to USB thumbs before.. | 09:43 |
| awilkins | Or whether it's to do with the way I had it set up | 09:43 |
| popey | bigcalm: sounds like a plan. want to buy two children? | 09:43 |
| bigcalm | popey: time to tweet therealpopey I think ;) | 09:46 |
| popey | heh | 09:49 |
| popey | she's at school with her pupils getting their GCSE's | 09:49 |
| bigcalm | Bet she's glad to be back at work | 09:50 |
| popey | hah, she's excited | 09:51 |
| bigcalm | I think that my freshly installed windows 7 machine might just about be ready to use | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | I hate my self | 10:03 |
| bigcalm | So many restarts | 10:03 |
| bigcalm | This amused me from last night: https://twitter.com/Windows/status/502233843706126337 | 10:04 |
| awilkins | I'd love myself after installing Windows 8.1 as well | 10:05 |
| awilkins | Anything for some stress relief. | 10:05 |
| bigcalm | If I didn't know that they believed themselves, I'd have thought they were trolling me | 10:05 |
| bigcalm | Still installing updates. I even put in a spare SSD to help make it less sucky | 10:06 |
| bigcalm | It's still sucky | 10:06 |
| foobarry | bigcalm: that sounds like a bot tweet | 10:06 |
| awilkins | Maybe that's what they are using Cortana for. It does sound like that kind of response. | 10:07 |
| foobarry | maybe they search for hate windows 8,1 | 10:07 |
| awilkins | I remember having to reinstall Windows on the ex-wife's laptop because her IT department insisted that she use their horrible full-disk encryption product | 10:08 |
| awilkins | Literally took all night | 10:08 |
| awilkins | Reboot, reboot, reboot. | 10:08 |
| foobarry | https://twitter.com/Bree_Elrod/status/501153180819156992 | 10:08 |
| MartijnVdS | ♫ We all live in a Windows subroutine | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | Shouldn't the IT dept. have don't it? | 10:08 |
| awilkins | Was her personal machine | 10:09 |
| foobarry | https://twitter.com/kennethreynolds/status/497378323698184192 | 10:09 |
| foobarry | they are searching for hate windows 8.1 laptop | 10:09 |
| bigcalm | :( | 10:09 |
| foobarry | and sounds very bottish | 10:10 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| popey | http://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/2e5f04/since_2007_apple_has_released_9_phone_models/ made me chuckle | 10:47 |
| Myrtti | I just have to ask you to double check what I'm seeing on the Maplin site | 10:48 |
| Myrtti | http://www.maplin.co.uk/c/gadgets-toys-and-hobbies/projects-kits-and-modules/arduino | 10:48 |
| Myrtti | is that a Nilfisk pressure washer? | 10:48 |
| Myrtti | and http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=flora&x=0&y=0 - are those really automatic clamps? | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | right, their site is useless. | 10:54 |
| popey | haha | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | arduino text search returns nothing but small OLED displays | 10:55 |
| knightwise | hey :) | 11:13 |
| knightwise | problem :( | 11:13 |
| knightwise | i get an error code when I want to use webmin | 11:13 |
| knightwise | installation on 14.04 works fine | 11:13 |
| MartijnVdS | don't use webmin ;) | 11:13 |
| knightwise | i add the webmin repository so i have version 1.700 | 11:13 |
| knightwise | and when I want to open one of those windows that lets you browse through the folders on your system I get the following error | 11:14 |
| knightwise | HTTP/1.0 500 Perl execution failed Server: MiniServ/1.700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:54:49 GMT Content-type: text/html; Charset=iso-8859-1 Connection: close | 11:14 |
| knightwise | any ideas what it might be ? | 11:14 |
| knightwise | on the other systems i'm running webmin version 1.690 | 11:15 |
| knightwise | just found the .1690 version, | 11:17 |
| knightwise | gonna try that | 11:17 |
| OERIAS | Does anyone here theme their Unity desktop? | 11:18 |
| knightwise | yeah | 11:20 |
| knightwise | numix :) | 11:20 |
| OERIAS | knightwise, nice to know that other people theme and not "blindly" accept the silly themes that is somewhat imposed on the rest. | 11:30 |
| knightwise | OERIAS: its the first thing i do when I use unity .. personalise it | 11:31 |
| OERIAS | Mon Desktop: | 11:34 |
| OERIAS | http://imgur.com/ff55Tr8 | 11:34 |
| OERIAS | knightwise ^ | 11:34 |
| knightwise | crud | 11:38 |
| knightwise | server crashed :( | 11:38 |
| SuperMatt | http://imgur.com/Gdwxk88 well here's my desktop | 11:38 |
| knightwise | standard icons ! Get numix rounded icons :) very cool | 11:39 |
| SuperMatt | I'm the one in the middle^w^w^won the right | 11:39 |
| OERIAS | Am I the only on that thinks that rounded icons are for mobile phones? | 11:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | hope your eye gets better :-p | 11:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | microsoft doesn't :-) | 11:40 |
| OERIAS | nice desktop. | 11:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | first thing i always remove is background image, waste of ram | 11:40 |
| OERIAS | You what my background image in xfce | 11:41 |
| OERIAS | ? | 11:41 |
| OERIAS | Or Window Maker, | 11:41 |
| OERIAS | http://www.paulnoll.com/Colors/color-0522-Light-Pastel-Purple.jpg | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | I've got four background images... | 11:44 |
| === zmoylan-pi is now known as zmoylan-pi|away | ||
| OERIAS | Are you guys likely to find more desktops and notebook computer with Linux preinstalled in the UK? | 11:46 |
| foobarry | more liekly than where? | 11:46 |
| OERIAS | The American Empire | 11:46 |
| awilkins | It's not really noticeable here | 11:47 |
| awilkins | I think you have to go looking... Dell do some pre-installed machines I think. | 11:47 |
| OERIAS | awilkins, Dell does but sometimes the specs are inferior than their Windows machines | 11:48 |
| OERIAS | Much rather buy the Windows PC and wipe it off with a Slackware or Debian installation | 11:48 |
| awilkins | OERIAS, When the netbooks were a new thing, the Linux ones often had better specs offset by the cost of a Windows OEM license | 11:48 |
| awilkins | Personally I think I'll be sticking to Lenovo | 11:49 |
| OERIAS | Yes they did. I remember when I lived in Canada, the first netbooks did have linux installed | 11:49 |
| awilkins | With as much Intel hardware as possible | 11:49 |
| awilkins | Intel do at least have the right attitude about drivers | 11:49 |
| OERIAS | I actually liked IBM thinkpads over the Lenovo ones. | 11:50 |
| foobarry | when shopping for a laptop i choose a compatible one first and foremost | 11:50 |
| foobarry | even some with linux preinstalled may depend on dodgy binary blobs | 11:50 |
| OERIAS | System76 is a personal favourite of mine. | 11:50 |
| awilkins | I find it a shame that the laptops you see in physical shops are rarely the ones you want to buy | 11:51 |
| awilkins | I struggled to find a family laptop which didn't have the stupid "consumer" screen res of 1280x768 | 11:51 |
| awilkins | Or whatever it is | 11:52 |
| awilkins | The stupid 768 pixel high one | 11:52 |
| MartijnVdS | 1366x768 | 11:52 |
| OERIAS | Yes and mobile phone have 1200*1080 | 11:52 |
| OERIAS | Why not notebooks? | 11:52 |
| awilkins | I had a 1600x1200 15" screen on my first laptop for work, 15 years ago | 11:53 |
| OERIAS | really awilkins ? | 11:53 |
| awilkins | OERIAS, Yeah, nice Dell one. | 11:53 |
| OERIAS | I remember a lot of notebooks had shitty screens back in the early 2000's | 11:54 |
| bigcalm | !ohmy | OERIAS | 11:54 |
| lubotu3 | OERIAS: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 11:54 |
| OERIAS | Sorry. | 11:55 |
| ujjain | are IT salaries rising or stable for the last years? | 11:56 |
| ujjain | I see a lot of messages that say they need IT personel, but so far salaries don't seem to be going up that much. | 11:56 |
| awilkins | In the States or elsewhere? | 11:56 |
| awilkins | In the States the impression I get is that they make a lot of noise about lacking IT personnel to get their H1B visa count up | 11:57 |
| ujjain | in the UK, Western Europe | 11:57 |
| awilkins | I just got rehired for +33% | 11:57 |
| ujjain | I want to work in the US, but H1B visa is tricky. | 11:57 |
| ujjain | ah, that's funny. | 11:57 |
| foobarry | my salary is only just approaching the level i had in 1999 | 11:57 |
| awilkins | But I was working in a gov.uk post so I was arguably underpaid for my experience and skillset | 11:58 |
| ujjain | ah really? 50k pound salaries were common in 1999-2000? | 11:58 |
| foobarry | who said 50k? | 11:58 |
| OERIAS | Well IT jobs are very common in the US of A | 11:58 |
| awilkins | in '99 I was a junior doc earning £21k | 11:58 |
| awilkins | And working 80 hour weeks for it too | 11:59 |
| OERIAS | Some with incomes of $90,000 | 11:59 |
| awilkins | Went from that to a junior dev earning £12k | 11:59 |
| foobarry | but yes, £40-50k salaries in banking sector were the norm | 11:59 |
| foobarry | in the late 1990s | 12:00 |
| awilkins | I had a "Senior Tech Arch" for the financial sector post drop in my inbox this morning for £70k + | 12:00 |
| OERIAS | The problem lies with where to find jobs. Most of the .com companies in 'murika are in the Silicon valley. | 12:00 |
| foobarry | sounds about right | 12:00 |
| awilkins | Combination of problems... from my side, we found it really, really hard to hire people with the right XP | 12:01 |
| ujjain | It seems there is a big difference in work pressure between jobs too, I see a lot of people here like doing nothing all day. | 12:01 |
| awilkins | But then we pay crapulous wages because we are a gov.uk org | 12:01 |
| foobarry | i know someone who went on that y cominator thing in silicon alley | 12:01 |
| awilkins | ujjain, There's always a difference in work pressure even within the walls of one place | 12:02 |
| foobarry | haven't seen her since | 12:02 |
| awilkins | ujjain, Some people are very good at slacking, the larger and older the org gets, the more of them you'll have around | 12:02 |
| awilkins | ujjain, I probably look like I'm slacking a lot of the time, but I make up for it by being very good at what I do when things need doing fast | 12:03 |
| foobarry | ujjain: where is "here" | 12:03 |
| ujjain | Well, in my team there is not much work, it's sometimes a bit frustrating. | 12:03 |
| ujjain | in London. | 12:03 |
| awilkins | Yeah, there is that as well | 12:03 |
| awilkins | Especially for technical teams who only work on things decided on by other people | 12:04 |
| ujjain | Yeah, not sure what to do, so much free time. | 12:04 |
| awilkins | ujjain, Improve yourself, definitely. Work on things of some benefit to your employer, or even personal projects. | 12:05 |
| awilkins | If you improve yourself you are of more value to the company (and yourself). | 12:05 |
| ujjain | yeah, I think so, I enjoyed reading this story https://sites.google.com/site/forgottenemployee/. | 12:05 |
| awilkins | So if they can't fill your working day it's an honest use of your time. | 12:05 |
| ujjain | Yeah, I guess that's true. But after a while, gets a bit boring too, but I try to play my free time in advance yeah. | 12:06 |
| ujjain | There is a lot of interesting upcoming Linux-stuff to learn yeah, sometimes gets a bit boring though. | 12:07 |
| awilkins | Hence the reason Google allows 20% time | 12:07 |
| awilkins | They know that engineers get slack, get bored | 12:07 |
| foobarry | they don't do that anymore | 12:07 |
| awilkins | They don't? Silly boys. | 12:07 |
| ujjain | yeah, I guess that work be a nice balance, 80% IT, 20% free | 12:07 |
| ujjain | in my case I feel its the other way around lol | 12:07 |
| foobarry | the 20% thing was early google days | 12:07 |
| ujjain | yeah, they canceled that at google | 12:07 |
| popey | http://androidphonenamegenerator.com/ | 12:08 |
| OERIAS | Samsung Amaze Slide Plus | 12:09 |
| foobarry | ujjain: contractor or permie? | 12:10 |
| foobarry | spare time at work is time to improve your skills and document stuff | 12:10 |
| foobarry | and make IT systems more efficient | 12:10 |
| foobarry | g+ whats hot is terrible | 12:23 |
| foobarry | gives me barely SFW stuff | 12:24 |
| DJones | Heh, Diaspora gets some media attention http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28882042?ocid=socialflow_twitter | 13:17 |
| DJones | And not good publicity | 13:18 |
| Myrtti | ah yes, the social network nobody remember unless it's mentioned somewhere by someone else, first | 13:19 |
| Myrtti | maybe they'll get some more users now | 13:19 |
| Myrtti | or the old users remember they have accounts | 13:19 |
| DJones | I'm surprised I managed to remember my username & password to log in just to see if it still worked | 13:20 |
| foobarry | if a tree fell over on diaspora, would anyone hear it? | 13:21 |
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| Laney | fffffssssssssscccckkkkkkkkkkkkk | 14:53 |
| Laney | "my this is taking a long time to boot" | 14:53 |
| popey | awww, shame knightwise isn't around to see the best ALS Ice bucket challenge video so far (IMO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4qADFNsDxE | 15:00 |
| popey | Expecting it to be Jimmy Kimmell | 15:01 |
| awilkins | Is making grep coredump worth a bug report? | 15:01 |
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| foobarry | yep | 15:04 |
| foobarry | if its grep's fault | 15:04 |
| directhex | disharmonic: poor grep | 15:04 |
| foobarry | this time of year i am playing out of office roulette. trying to find someone actually availabel to send me a doc | 15:04 |
| foobarry | "i am away, please ask $OTHER" | 15:05 |
| foobarry | $OTHER is away too...$OTHER2.. | 15:05 |
| awilkins | foobarry, As far as I'm concerned, grep should not coredump for any inputs | 15:18 |
| awilkins | Coming back and saying "I couldn't cope with that input because ..." is fine | 15:19 |
| awilkins | I am doing something a mite odd in that I'm using the PCRE support and using look-arounds | 15:19 |
| awilkins | But I guess because PCRE support is "highly experimental" bug reports are useful | 15:19 |
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| diddledan | quiet in here tonight | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | I'm having fun negotiating the terms of my employment | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | being employed by as a developer is difficult when you work on FOSS stuff too | 22:22 |
| diddledan | ouch | 22:22 |
| diddledan | yeah | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | Contract: All your code are belong to us | 22:23 |
| diddledan | I hate that | 22:23 |
| Azelphur | yea | 22:23 |
| diddledan | it's one reason why I actually like being freelance atm | 22:23 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: they have a clause in there for them releasing the rights to a project | 22:23 |
| diddledan | >.< | 22:23 |
| Azelphur | so I've just asked that they write me a waiver saying "The employee has advised that he does out of hours contract work for other | 22:23 |
| Azelphur | organisations in non competing areas and the employer acknowledges this disclosure" | 22:23 |
| Azelphur | hopefully that'll be acceptable, it was recommended by a friend :) | 22:24 |
| diddledan | I gues you could do the inverse of a Contributor Licence Assignment for each of your projects get your employer to sign a waiver for that copyright | 22:27 |
| diddledan | but that's a pain | 22:27 |
| diddledan | it's easier if they can give carte-blance | 22:27 |
| diddledan | blanche* | 22:27 |
| Azelphur | yea | 22:27 |
| diddledan | potentially risqué, but http://cdn.diply.com/img/d00d7930-0307-475f-8541-167557a3401f.jpg | 22:34 |
| diddledan | :-p | 22:34 |
| Azelphur | haha | 22:41 |
| diddledan | I think it's time to sleep | 22:42 |
| Azelphur | nn | 22:42 |
| diddledan | nn | 22:42 |
| mapps | well | 23:19 |
| mapps | watching expendables 3 has made me tired | 23:19 |
| mapps | :D | 23:19 |
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| daftykins | must be all the suspension of disbelief | 23:26 |
| daftykins | ;) | 23:26 |
| mapps | heh | 23:27 |
| mapps | its just action but for actions sake | 23:27 |
| mapps | 5 days and il be in RIGA :D checked in for flight today and bought return flight | 23:27 |
| mapps | kinda sucks 201 GBP 250 euros but when ryan air convert from euros to gbp came to 427 for 2 tickets | 23:27 |
| mapps | dont care anyway | 23:27 |
| mapps | :D | 23:27 |
| daftykins | :O | 23:28 |
| mapps | then 4 weeks and move to Spain/Gib - not sure where appt is yet | 23:28 |
| mapps | gonna buy a new laptop..i wont have a tv and i watch a LOT of films/tv series..and my laptops only 15inch | 23:29 |
| mapps | figure i should get a 17inch | 23:29 |
| mapps | :D | 23:29 |
| daftykins | current one got HDMI or VGA out? just get a screen | 23:31 |
| daftykins | :P | 23:31 |
| mapps | but then what about when i move back to uk? | 23:31 |
| daftykins | i assume you mean for logistics? | 23:32 |
| mapps | yea | 23:32 |
| mapps | how can i see what module a usb wifi adapter is using | 23:33 |
| daftykins | lspci -nnk | 23:34 |
| daftykins | or "lsmod | grep 80211" sometimes | 23:34 |
| mapps | ah | 23:34 |
| mapps | thanks | 23:34 |
| mapps | mac80211 329373 3 rt2x00lib,rt2x00usb,rt2800lib | 23:35 |
| mapps | cfg80211 211002 2 mac80211,rt2x00lib | 23:35 |
| mapps | rfkill 19567 2 cfg80211 | 23:35 |
| mapps | pi@raspberrypi /etc/modprobe.d $ | 23:35 |
| mapps | mac80211,r | 23:35 |
| mapps | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter | 23:36 |
| mapps | O_o | 23:36 |
| mapps | i wanna disable power management on it | 23:36 |
| daftykins | are you sure that's what's going wrong with that little toy? ;) | 23:36 |
| mapps | yea | 23:37 |
| mapps | i think | 23:37 |
| daftykins | and not just constrained USB issues | 23:37 |
| mapps | http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/6957/how-to-disable-raspberry-pi-power-management | 23:37 |
| mapps | ah | 23:38 |
| mapps | http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46569&p=386668 | 23:38 |
| mapps | thats even mentions the usb wifi im using! | 23:38 |
| daftykins | sorry mate i don't have any time to look at stuff tonight | 23:41 |
| daftykins | too much rushing to book flights to nip up to England tomorrow | 23:42 |
| mapps | ah | 23:42 |
| mapps | :) | 23:42 |
| mapps | last min flights? | 23:42 |
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