[00:22] <zmoylan-pi> and tonights movie is clue.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088930/
[04:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[06:18] <Myrtti> morning
[06:51] <mapps> never gonna learn am i
[06:51] <mapps> hey Myrtti
[07:05] <Myrtti> hey mapps
[07:10] <knightwise> Morning everyone
[07:12] <knightwise> installed ubuntu server on my mac mini last weekend.
[07:15] <Myrtti> knightwise: \o/
[07:15] <OERIAS> I installed Ubuntu 6.04 on an iBook G4
[07:19] <knightwise> OERIAS: seriously ?
[07:19] <knightwise> why such an old version
[07:19] <knightwise> there are PPC versions out for 12.04
[07:19] <knightwise> On the mac mini , i did notice it was running hot .. installed lmsensors and now its cooling down nicely
[07:19] <mapps> gonna have to fly from gib -> london then london -> moscow in january
[07:20] <mapps> :(
[07:20] <mapps> didnt realise id be moving
[07:20] <mapps> when i booked my flights
[07:20] <knightwise> Myrtti: its a perfect little server , silent, small and powerfull
[07:21] <knightwise> the I7 with 16 gigs of ram knows what to do all day long runnign about 5 virtual servers all the time
[07:21] <Myrtti> yeah, we've got one too as a living room computer
[07:21] <Myrtti> we've got different kit to act as a server, though
[07:21] <Myrtti> HP microserver and a ReadyNAS with 4x4TB dribes
[07:21] <knightwise> I have hooked up a 3tb usb drive for storage and thats mostly all I need
[07:22] <Myrtti> drives, in RAID5
[07:22] <knightwise> hmmm..... i'm drooling over one of those
[07:22] <knightwise> what  OS do you run on that microserver ?
[07:22] <Myrtti> Debian
[07:22] <knightwise> and just as a fileserver or does it also do other things ?
[07:22] <knightwise> (plex for example)
[07:22] <Myrtti> it's not even a file server, NAS takes care of that
[07:22] <Myrtti> it's a VM host
[07:23] <knightwise> so you have a  hp microserver as a vm host ?
[07:23] <Myrtti> one VM for plex, one for my irssi needs, and some dsample's projects he has every now and then
[07:23] <knightwise> what specs does it have ? The ones I saw were like 2 gigs of ram and an amd proc
[07:23] <Myrtti> yeah
[07:23] <knightwise> so what are the specs on your microserver ?
[07:24] <Myrtti> it used to have harddrives on it it but dsample decided to slap them all to a NAS
[07:24] <knightwise> aha
[07:24] <knightwise> and what cpu does it have  ?/ how much ram ?
[07:24] <Myrtti> after a harddrive with one copy of photo backups went pearshaped
[07:25] <Myrtti> I'll have a look, don't have the info off hand
[07:25] <knightwise> I copy our music and our pictures to a 500 gig Hd i've hooked up to our router.
[07:26] <knightwise> and all the important infor for our business is in the cloud or  backuped on a vm in canada
[07:26] <Myrtti> yeah I've got multiple backups of photos
[07:26] <Myrtti> too paranoid to leave it for just one harddrive located in the house
[07:27] <knightwise> true. I'm thinking of ramming all our pics in Google drive or something
[07:27] <Myrtti> http://sprunge.us/DBeT - yeah it's a 2GB ram one with an AMD cpu. could have more RAM but I'm not complaining, it's still faster for my irssi needs than the Viglen MPC-L was
[07:27] <knightwise> 8 euros a month gets you unliited storage now.
[07:28] <knightwise> I can buy one of those microservers for 200 euro ... worth it ?
[07:28] <Myrtti> I've got all my photos in Flickr, 25€ a year for unlimited
[07:29] <Myrtti> I don't know if they offer that to new customers
[07:29] <Myrtti> I've paid for it since yonks
[07:38] <knightwise> Myrtti: me too ..almost up to 700 pics
[07:38] <knightwise> 7000
[07:45] <Myrtti> 6002 for me
[07:47] <knightwise> Myrtti: flickr.com/knightwise
[07:47] <knightwise> ok , i found an hp microserver with 4 gigs of ram ...
[07:47] <knightwise> no drives inside .. but still nice.
[07:47] <Myrtti> You've got a DOGE?!
[07:47] <OERIAS> knightwise, later on I did install 14.04 for MacMini
[07:48] <knightwise> OERIAS: are you running it on a mac mini or a powerbook ?
[07:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:48] <Myrtti> shibas are awesome
[07:48] <knightwise> Myrtti: yep :) The original DOGE ;) So Wow ! µ
[07:48] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[07:48] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[07:48] <knightwise> Myrtti: shibas are cute loving and fracking stubborn
[07:49] <OERIAS> Both
[07:49] <Myrtti> I love spitzes
[07:49] <OERIAS> I have an iBook G4, Powerbook G4, MacMini G4
[07:49] <knightwise> OERIAS: i ran 12.04 on a G4 mac mini for a while. not bad if you used the LXDE interface
[07:49] <Myrtti> spitzes are awesome dogs
[07:49] <knightwise> bummer was :  no flash and stuff
[07:49] <OERIAS> PowerMac G5.
[07:50] <knightwise> the MacMini G4 is pretty great for a server , the G5 just eats uranium rods for breakfast. Those beats suck power
[07:50] <brobostigon> <----- hangover central, made the mistake of having a drink with my ex-fiance,
[07:50] <knightwise> Myrtti: those are cool to
[07:50] <knightwise> brobostigon: ouch
[07:50] <brobostigon> exactly.
[07:50] <OERIAS> knightwise, 14.04 doesn't run bad with CDE
[07:50] <Myrtti> shibas aren't spitzes? aw. Learn new every day
[07:50] <knightwise> CDE ?
[07:51] <OERIAS> Yes. Common Desktop Environment
[07:51] <knightwise> OERIAS: didnt know that one
[07:51] <knightwise> Myrtti: no :) Shibas are a variant of the Akita Inu's
[07:51] <brobostigon> was great to catchup with her though.
[07:51] <Myrtti> knightwise: oh, then they are
[07:52] <OERIAS> knightwise, http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/cde15solaris9.png
[07:52] <Myrtti> "The Shiba Inu (柴犬 ?) is the smallest of the six original and distinct spitz breeds of dog from Japan.[1]"
[07:52] <knightwise> Myrtti: i stand corrected
[07:52] <knightwise> OERIAS: ugly as hell , but very geeky :=)
[07:52] <Myrtti> spitzes ♥
[07:53] <knightwise> Irony : Ordering a 15inch I7 macbook pro for your company ... meanwhile working off a 10 inch 4 year old netbook ... and loving that even more.
[07:53] <knightwise> using an old Medion netbook with LXLE , fast, cheap and geeky
[07:54] <brobostigon> lxde*
[07:54] <knightwise> lxLE
[07:54] <knightwise> underappreciated OS if there ever was one.
[07:54] <knightwise> good distro, light and clean.
[07:54]  * knightwise has HSP , so I love non cluttered stuff
[07:54] <brobostigon> cool, i shall have to look that one up.
[07:54] <OERIAS> XFCE runs perfectly well on the G4s
[07:55] <OERIAS> XFCE is waaaaaay better than LXDE
[07:55] <knightwise> OERIAS: damn , i should have tried that
[07:55] <knightwise> and you don't miss flash that much anymore
[07:56]  * brobostigon is a haiku-os fan
[07:56] <OERIAS> brobostigon, is it still in alpha stage?
[07:57] <OERIAS> Other, I might consider running and help develop a port for powerpc machines
[07:57] <knightwise> allthough I must say . I even use my Dell Venue 8 from time to time. all I need is a connection to the home linux server via SSH and a browser .. and I can pretty much do all I want
[07:58]  * knightwise is a bit of slider
[07:58] <brobostigon> OERIAS: yes, however its anything but alpha, its very stable, R1 is pretty close, except for a few bugs, also the packaging system is very impressive. they definatly could do with some help there, aswell as the ARM port.
[07:58] <knightwise> i use all OS'es together.
[07:59] <OERIAS> knightwise, you use WIndows 8????!!!!!
[07:59] <knightwise> installed homebrew on my Mac .. now i can just run native commands and apps on my mac
[07:59] <knightwise> OERIAS: www.knightwise.com  = hacks tips and tweaks for cross platform geeks :)
[07:59] <OERIAS> Well at least it doesn't run Windows RT
[08:00] <knightwise> OERIAS: I have my standards :p
[08:00] <knightwise> NO RT
[08:02] <knightwise> brobostigon: Haiku looks pretty
[08:03] <knightwise> I'm going to pose a stupid question : Can you (in irssi) have 2 chat windows side by side (2 chatrooms i mean)
[08:05] <brobostigon> knightwise: that it is, and very functional, and the fastest OS you will find this side of pluto.
[08:06] <knightwise> hmmm. i might give it a try :)
[08:06] <popey> morning
[08:07] <brobostigon> knightwise: cool. :)
[08:08] <brobostigon> morning popey
[08:08] <OERIAS> morning popey
[08:11] <OERIAS> Lovely SeaMonkey
[08:16] <brobostigon> knightwise: and if you do try haiku, go with a nightly. as the last stable release is ancient, and doesnt include things like the packaging system.
[08:18] <awilkins> This is looking nicer : http://oneplus.net/uk/one
[08:18] <awilkins> Will have to see how Android L affects my poor old Nexus 4
[08:18] <knightwise> brobostigon: i'll give it a spin in a VM :=)
[08:18]  * knightwise ist geeking out to youarelistening.to
[08:18] <brobostigon> knightwise: cool, :)
[08:20] <awilkins> Is this a live feed from a Copper Chopper?
[08:21] <knightwise> awilkins: you can choose all kinds of livestreams
[08:21] <knightwise> interesting stuff
[08:21] <knightwise> and the ambient music in the back makes it eerie
[08:21] <awilkins> Channel I've got has no music
[08:21] <awilkins> Los Angeles
[08:21] <knightwise> awilkins: it takes a minute to start
[08:22]  * awilkins switches to Wichita
[08:22] <knightwise> try the "numbers station" thats bizarre
[08:22] <awilkins> Numbers stations are
[08:23] <knightwise> ive always wondered about their purpose
[08:23] <OERIAS> Too bad the OnePlusOne does not have external storage.
[08:23] <Myrtti> awilkins: sorry but I refuse to even click that link because of the marketing gaffe they did few weeks back with the 'show us your tits and you can buy a oneplus at normal price' pile of failure they did
[08:24] <awilkins> OERIAS, True, but with a 64GB model at £270 I wouldn't need too much external storage... does it support that thing where it's a USB host as well as a client?
[08:25] <awilkins> Myrtti, That's ... disappointing
[08:26] <OERIAS> true, only thing we can do is demand, it shouldn't hurt.
[08:26] <Myrtti> say again?
[08:27] <awilkins> I think he means an SD Card slot, and not intimate photos
[08:27] <Myrtti> I hope so
[08:30] <knightwise> Myrtti: that was their marketing campain ? ? ?
[08:30] <Myrtti> knightwise: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/12/oneplus-cancels-its-dumb-contest-following-uproars-of-sexism/
[08:48] <knightwi1e> clear
[08:48] <knightwi1e> one one thousand ... two one thousand ...
[08:48] <knightwi1e> 90's kids will get this
[08:59] <Myrtti> oh no, my coffee cup is empty
[09:04] <popey> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/bukkit-its-time-to-say-goodbye.305106/  vs   https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/502380018216206336
[09:04] <popey> minecraft related
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: ooh more drama in game land
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> It seems to be drama week..
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Senior Citizens Day! :-D
[09:08] <popey> yeah, not enough drama llamas in gaming, clearly
[09:08]  * zmoylan-pi waves a cane in blessing over JamesTait 
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: followed by a "now get off my lawn"
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> ?
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> of course MartijnVdS, the standard blessing
[09:12] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, it would be rude not to. ;)
[09:13] <knightwi1e> morning everyone
[09:13] <knightwi1e> senior citizens day ? ?
[09:13] <knightwi1e> ** GET OFF MY LAWN YOU KIDS !!! ***
[09:13] <DJones> popey: https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/502381093731831808
[09:14] <knightwi1e> MartijnVdS: you beat me to it
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: https://twitter.com/_grum/status/502381523241144320 (ex-coworker of mine!)
[09:16] <foobarry> what is bukkit? a mincecraft mod?
[09:16] <popey> yay
[09:16] <popey> yes, quite a comprehensive one
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> but someone is throwing a hissy fit?
[09:16] <foobarry> does it turn pieces into real lego?
[09:17] <foobarry> someone somewhere is always upset, thats why i avoid twitter
[09:17] <foobarry> they congregate there
[09:17] <knightwi1e> the whole ice bucket crap has made me dump facebook
[09:17] <knightwi1e> (and every online newspaper i read)
[09:17] <popey> they also congregate on reddit and 4chan
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> they congregate everywhere
[09:18] <popey> My neice is off to Reading festival today
[09:18] <foobarry> oh no.
[09:18] <foobarry> i just realised..rading festival = rain
[09:18] <foobarry> but i'm at the air show
[09:18] <foobarry> so rain = no planes
[09:20] <knightwi1e> hmm. I should move over my data to my new server ...
[09:21] <knightwi1e> start to do a copy from one drive to the other drive ... mount some folders .. get stuff done ...
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> Go knightwi1e! Go knightwi1e!
[09:21] <knightwi1e> decomissioning my old I5 Packard bell clunker in favor of my mac mini
[09:22] <Myrtti> ice bucket
[09:22] <Myrtti> hm.
[09:22] <foobarry> the only ice bucket i saw was on the TV news
[09:23] <knightwise> stupid social challenges histeria. Been going on all summer here.
[09:23] <foobarry> i was disappointed to find that the cartoon i liked and followed on facebook has not been appearing in my feed for months :(
[09:23] <knightwise> people daring eachother to jump off a bridge into a canal
[09:23] <knightwise> 2 Darwin awards so far with lethal concequences.
[09:23] <foobarry> wife said, did you see today's one? i tought WHAT?? i thought they had stopped
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: this is why you use an RSS reader -- facebook hides stuff
[09:23] <foobarry> yes :(
[09:24] <foobarry> but i think she only puts them on fb
[09:24] <knightwise> I feel 'herded' when I use it
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: then she should pay facebook to increase the number of people who get to see it.. yes that is how it works...
[09:24] <foobarry> maybe if i had one accoutn for every friend i could collect the whole picture
[09:24] <knightwise> ...hmm been looking at dual monitor mounts for my 2 24 inch displays .. expensive sucjers.
[09:25] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: or i click like on every cartoon of hers
[09:25] <foobarry> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Em-Cartoons/148180005208895?fref=ts
[09:26] <foobarry> the only funny cartoon around. xkcd is witty/thoughtful  though
[09:29] <foobarry> my boy starts school in september. things are getting expensive
[09:32] <awilkins> I liked Charlie Sheen's "ice bucket" challenge. He dumped $10,000 dollars over his head, donated it to the charity concerned, and dared several of his rich mates to do the same thing.
[09:35] <awilkins> Oh yes : gripe about Duply / duplicity
[09:36] <awilkins> It either needs to support a "maximum backup storage size" limit OR not moan about volume size when you give it a volume that's definitely large enough (what does it think is "too small" and why?)
[09:36] <awilkins> Was setting up my Mum with backup
[09:36] <awilkins> I thought "duplicity backups into a cloud-synced folder"
[09:37] <awilkins> But if it exceeds the cloud allocation with historical backups, then it will be backing up and not being mirrored
[09:38] <awilkins> So I thought "I'll make a loop file of the appropriate size and mount it at boot and backup to that" - duplicity will know when it's full and automatically remove old backups
[09:38] <awilkins> But the duplicity moans about the volume being too small (even though it's about 10x the size of the files being backed up).
[09:39] <knightwise> doesnt deja dup do it automatically ?
[09:39] <popey> foobarry: "Back to school" all over the shops
[09:39] <awilkins> knightwise, Doesn't have options for "limit total backup size to ...."
[09:40] <bigcalm> Sell the child and go on holiday \o/
[09:40] <awilkins> knightwise, And it's just a frontend for duplicity AFAIK
[09:40] <knightwise> aha
[09:41] <knightwise> cant you tell it to start dumping old backups when the destination is full ?
[09:41] <awilkins> knightwise, It does do that - but - I'm backing up to a local folder on a large partition
[09:41] <awilkins> knightwise, If I put that folder on a volume designed to fill up before the cloud folder does, it moans that it's too small
[09:42] <awilkins> Apparently it thinks 20GB isn't good enough these days
[09:42] <awilkins> (even for about 2GB of files)
[09:43] <awilkins> Not sure where the threshold is, I've backed up to USB thumbs before..
[09:43] <awilkins> Or whether it's to do with the way I had it set up
[09:43] <popey> bigcalm: sounds like a plan. want to buy two children?
[09:46] <bigcalm> popey: time to tweet therealpopey I think ;)
[09:49] <popey> heh
[09:49] <popey> she's at school with her pupils getting their GCSE's
[09:50] <bigcalm> Bet she's glad to be back at work
[09:51] <popey> hah, she's excited
[10:02] <bigcalm> I think that my freshly installed windows 7 machine might just about be ready to use
[10:03] <bigcalm> I hate my self
[10:03] <bigcalm> So many restarts
[10:04] <bigcalm> This amused me from last night: https://twitter.com/Windows/status/502233843706126337
[10:05] <awilkins> I'd love myself after installing Windows 8.1 as well
[10:05] <awilkins> Anything for some stress relief.
[10:05] <bigcalm> If I didn't know that they believed themselves, I'd have thought they were trolling me
[10:06] <bigcalm> Still installing updates. I even put in a spare SSD to help make it less sucky
[10:06] <bigcalm> It's still sucky
[10:06] <foobarry> bigcalm: that sounds like a bot tweet
[10:07] <awilkins> Maybe that's what they are using Cortana for. It does sound like that kind of response.
[10:07] <foobarry> maybe they search for hate windows 8,1
[10:08] <awilkins> I remember having to reinstall Windows on the ex-wife's laptop because her IT department insisted that she use their horrible full-disk encryption product
[10:08] <awilkins> Literally took all night
[10:08] <awilkins> Reboot, reboot, reboot.
[10:08] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/Bree_Elrod/status/501153180819156992
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> ♫ We all live in a Windows subroutine
[10:08] <bigcalm> Shouldn't the IT dept. have don't it?
[10:09] <awilkins> Was her personal machine
[10:09] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/kennethreynolds/status/497378323698184192
[10:09] <foobarry> they are searching for hate windows 8.1 laptop
[10:09] <bigcalm> :(
[10:10] <foobarry> and sounds very bottish
[10:47] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/2e5f04/since_2007_apple_has_released_9_phone_models/ made me chuckle
[10:48] <Myrtti> I just have to ask you to double check what I'm seeing on the Maplin site
[10:48] <Myrtti> http://www.maplin.co.uk/c/gadgets-toys-and-hobbies/projects-kits-and-modules/arduino
[10:48] <Myrtti> is that a Nilfisk pressure washer?
[10:50] <Myrtti> and http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=flora&x=0&y=0 - are those really automatic clamps?
[10:54] <Myrtti> right, their site is useless.
[10:54] <popey> haha
[10:55] <Myrtti> arduino text search returns nothing but small OLED displays
[11:13] <knightwise> hey :)
[11:13] <knightwise> problem :(
[11:13] <knightwise> i get an error code when I want to use webmin
[11:13] <knightwise> installation on 14.04 works fine
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> don't use webmin ;)
[11:13] <knightwise> i add the webmin repository so i have version 1.700
[11:14] <knightwise> and when I want to open one of those windows that lets you browse through the folders on your system I get the following error
[11:14] <knightwise> HTTP/1.0 500 Perl execution failed Server: MiniServ/1.700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:54:49 GMT Content-type: text/html; Charset=iso-8859-1 Connection: close
[11:14] <knightwise> any ideas what it might be ?
[11:15] <knightwise> on the other systems i'm running webmin version 1.690
[11:17] <knightwise> just found the .1690 version,
[11:17] <knightwise> gonna try that
[11:18] <OERIAS> Does anyone here theme their Unity desktop?
[11:20] <knightwise> yeah
[11:20] <knightwise> numix :)
[11:30] <OERIAS> knightwise, nice to know that other people theme and not "blindly" accept the silly themes that is somewhat imposed on the rest.
[11:31] <knightwise> OERIAS: its the first thing i do when I use unity .. personalise it
[11:34] <OERIAS> Mon Desktop:
[11:34] <OERIAS> http://imgur.com/ff55Tr8
[11:34] <OERIAS> knightwise ^
[11:38] <knightwise> crud
[11:38] <knightwise> server crashed :(
[11:38] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/Gdwxk88 well here's my desktop
[11:39] <knightwise> standard icons ! Get numix rounded icons :) very cool
[11:39] <SuperMatt> I'm the one in the middle^w^w^won the right
[11:40] <OERIAS> Am I the only on that thinks that rounded icons are for mobile phones?
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> hope your eye gets better :-p
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft doesn't :-)
[11:40] <OERIAS> nice desktop.
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> first thing i always remove is background image, waste of ram
[11:41] <OERIAS> You what my background image in xfce
[11:41] <OERIAS> ?
[11:41] <OERIAS> Or Window Maker,
[11:42] <OERIAS> http://www.paulnoll.com/Colors/color-0522-Light-Pastel-Purple.jpg
[11:44] <Myrtti> I've got four background images...
[11:46] <OERIAS> Are you guys likely to find more desktops and notebook computer with Linux preinstalled in the UK?
[11:46] <foobarry> more liekly than where?
[11:46] <OERIAS> The American Empire
[11:47] <awilkins> It's not really noticeable here
[11:47] <awilkins> I think you have to go looking... Dell do some pre-installed machines I think.
[11:48] <OERIAS> awilkins, Dell does but sometimes the specs are inferior than their Windows machines
[11:48] <OERIAS> Much rather buy the Windows PC and wipe it off with a Slackware or Debian installation
[11:48] <awilkins> OERIAS, When the netbooks were a new thing, the Linux ones often had better specs offset by the cost of a Windows OEM license
[11:49] <awilkins> Personally I think I'll be sticking to Lenovo
[11:49] <OERIAS> Yes they did. I remember when I lived in Canada, the first netbooks did have linux installed
[11:49] <awilkins> With as much Intel hardware as possible
[11:49] <awilkins> Intel do at least have the right attitude about drivers
[11:50] <OERIAS> I actually liked IBM thinkpads over the Lenovo ones.
[11:50] <foobarry> when shopping for a laptop i choose a compatible one first and foremost
[11:50] <foobarry> even some with linux preinstalled may depend on dodgy binary blobs
[11:50] <OERIAS> System76 is a personal favourite of mine.
[11:51] <awilkins> I find it a shame that the laptops you see in physical shops are rarely the ones you want to buy
[11:51] <awilkins> I struggled to find a family laptop which didn't have the stupid "consumer" screen res of 1280x768
[11:52] <awilkins> Or whatever it is
[11:52] <awilkins> The stupid 768 pixel high one
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> 1366x768
[11:52] <OERIAS> Yes and mobile phone have 1200*1080
[11:52] <OERIAS> Why not notebooks?
[11:53] <awilkins> I had a 1600x1200 15" screen on my first laptop for work, 15 years ago
[11:53] <OERIAS> really awilkins ?
[11:53] <awilkins> OERIAS, Yeah, nice Dell one.
[11:54] <OERIAS> I remember a lot of notebooks had shitty screens back in the early 2000's
[11:54] <bigcalm> !ohmy | OERIAS
[11:55] <OERIAS> Sorry.
[11:56] <ujjain> are IT salaries rising or stable for the last years?
[11:56] <ujjain> I see a lot of messages that say they need IT personel, but so far salaries don't seem to be going up that much.
[11:56] <awilkins> In the States or elsewhere?
[11:57] <awilkins> In the States the impression I get is that they make a lot of noise about lacking IT personnel to get their H1B visa count up
[11:57] <ujjain> in the UK, Western Europe
[11:57] <awilkins> I just got rehired for +33%
[11:57] <ujjain> I want to work in the US, but H1B visa is tricky.
[11:57] <ujjain> ah, that's funny.
[11:57] <foobarry> my salary is only just approaching the level i had in 1999
[11:58] <awilkins> But I was working in a gov.uk post so I was arguably underpaid for my experience and skillset
[11:58] <ujjain> ah really? 50k pound salaries were common in 1999-2000?
[11:58] <foobarry> who said 50k?
[11:58] <OERIAS> Well IT jobs are very common in the US of A
[11:58] <awilkins> in '99 I was a junior doc earning £21k
[11:59] <awilkins> And working 80 hour weeks for it too
[11:59] <OERIAS> Some with incomes of $90,000
[11:59] <awilkins> Went from that to a junior dev earning £12k
[11:59] <foobarry> but yes, £40-50k salaries in banking sector were the norm
[12:00] <foobarry> in the late 1990s
[12:00] <awilkins> I had a "Senior Tech Arch" for the financial sector post drop in my inbox this morning for £70k +
[12:00] <OERIAS> The problem lies with where to find jobs. Most of the .com companies in 'murika are in the Silicon valley.
[12:00] <foobarry> sounds about right
[12:01] <awilkins> Combination of problems... from my side, we found it really, really hard to hire people with the right XP
[12:01] <ujjain> It seems there is a big difference in work pressure between jobs too, I see a lot of people here like doing nothing all day.
[12:01] <awilkins> But then we pay crapulous wages because we are a gov.uk org
[12:01] <foobarry> i know someone who went on that y cominator thing in silicon alley
[12:02] <awilkins> ujjain, There's always a difference in work pressure even within the walls of one place
[12:02] <foobarry> haven't seen her since
[12:02] <awilkins> ujjain, Some people are very good at slacking, the larger and older the org gets, the more of them you'll have around
[12:03] <awilkins> ujjain, I probably look like I'm slacking a lot of the time, but I make up for it by being very good at what I do when things need doing fast
[12:03] <foobarry> ujjain: where is "here"
[12:03] <ujjain> Well, in my team there is not much work, it's sometimes a bit frustrating.
[12:03] <ujjain> in London.
[12:03] <awilkins> Yeah, there is that as well
[12:04] <awilkins> Especially for technical teams who only work on things decided on by other people
[12:04] <ujjain> Yeah, not sure what to do, so much free time.
[12:05] <awilkins> ujjain, Improve yourself, definitely. Work on things of some benefit to your employer, or even personal projects.
[12:05] <awilkins> If you improve yourself you are of more value to the company (and yourself).
[12:05] <ujjain> yeah, I think so, I enjoyed reading this story https://sites.google.com/site/forgottenemployee/.
[12:05] <awilkins> So if they can't fill your working day it's an honest use of your time.
[12:06] <ujjain> Yeah, I guess that's true. But after a while, gets a bit boring too, but I try to play my free time in advance yeah.
[12:07] <ujjain> There is a lot of interesting upcoming Linux-stuff to learn yeah, sometimes gets a bit boring though.
[12:07] <awilkins> Hence the reason Google allows 20% time
[12:07] <awilkins> They know that engineers get slack, get bored
[12:07] <foobarry> they don't do that anymore
[12:07] <awilkins> They don't? Silly boys.
[12:07] <ujjain> yeah, I guess that work be a nice balance, 80% IT, 20% free
[12:07] <ujjain> in my case I feel its the other way around lol
[12:07] <foobarry> the 20% thing was early google days
[12:07] <ujjain> yeah, they canceled that at google
[12:08] <popey> http://androidphonenamegenerator.com/
[12:09] <OERIAS> Samsung Amaze Slide Plus
[12:10] <foobarry> ujjain: contractor or permie?
[12:10] <foobarry> spare time at work is time to improve your skills and document stuff
[12:10] <foobarry> and make IT systems more efficient
[12:23] <foobarry> g+ whats hot is terrible
[12:24] <foobarry> gives me barely SFW stuff
[13:17] <DJones> Heh, Diaspora gets some media attention http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28882042?ocid=socialflow_twitter
[13:18] <DJones> And not good publicity
[13:19] <Myrtti> ah yes, the social network nobody remember unless it's mentioned somewhere by someone else, first
[13:19] <Myrtti> maybe they'll get some more users now
[13:19] <Myrtti> or the old users remember they have accounts
[13:20] <DJones> I'm surprised I managed to remember my username & password to log in just to see if it still worked
[13:21] <foobarry> if a tree fell over on diaspora, would anyone hear it?
[14:53] <Laney> fffffssssssssscccckkkkkkkkkkkkk
[14:53] <Laney> "my this is taking a long time to boot"
[15:00] <popey> awww, shame knightwise isn't around to see the best ALS Ice bucket challenge video so far (IMO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4qADFNsDxE
[15:01] <popey> Expecting it to be Jimmy Kimmell
[15:01] <awilkins> Is making grep coredump worth a bug report?
[15:04] <foobarry> yep
[15:04] <foobarry> if its grep's fault
[15:04] <directhex> disharmonic: poor grep
[15:04] <foobarry> this time of year i am playing out of office roulette. trying to find someone actually availabel to send me a doc
[15:05] <foobarry> "i am away, please ask $OTHER"
[15:05] <foobarry> $OTHER is away too...$OTHER2..
[15:18] <awilkins> foobarry, As far as I'm concerned, grep should not coredump for any inputs
[15:19] <awilkins> Coming back and saying "I couldn't cope with that input because ..." is fine
[15:19] <awilkins> I am doing something a mite odd in that I'm using the PCRE support and using look-arounds
[15:19] <awilkins> But I guess because PCRE support is "highly experimental" bug reports are useful
[22:22] <diddledan> quiet in here tonight
[22:22] <Azelphur> I'm having fun negotiating the terms of my employment
[22:22] <Azelphur> being employed by as a developer is difficult when you work on FOSS stuff too
[22:22] <diddledan> ouch
[22:22] <diddledan> yeah
[22:23] <Azelphur> Contract: All your code are belong to us
[22:23] <diddledan> I hate that
[22:23] <Azelphur> yea
[22:23] <diddledan> it's one reason why I actually like being freelance atm
[22:23] <Azelphur> diddledan: they have a clause in there for them releasing the rights to a project
[22:23] <diddledan> >.<
[22:23] <Azelphur> so I've just asked that they write me a waiver saying "The employee has advised that he does out of hours contract work for other
[22:23] <Azelphur> organisations in non competing areas and the employer acknowledges this disclosure"
[22:24] <Azelphur> hopefully that'll be acceptable, it was recommended by a friend :)
[22:27] <diddledan> I gues you could do the inverse of a Contributor Licence Assignment for each of your projects get your employer to sign a waiver for that copyright
[22:27] <diddledan> but that's a pain
[22:27] <diddledan> it's easier if they can give carte-blance
[22:27] <diddledan> blanche*
[22:27] <Azelphur> yea
[22:34] <diddledan> potentially risqué, but http://cdn.diply.com/img/d00d7930-0307-475f-8541-167557a3401f.jpg
[22:34] <diddledan> :-p
[22:41] <Azelphur> haha
[22:42] <diddledan> I think it's time to sleep
[22:42] <Azelphur> nn
[22:42] <diddledan> nn
[23:19] <mapps> well
[23:19] <mapps> watching expendables 3 has made me tired
[23:19] <mapps> :D
[23:26] <daftykins> must be all the suspension of disbelief
[23:26] <daftykins> ;)
[23:27] <mapps> heh
[23:27] <mapps> its just action but for actions sake
[23:27] <mapps> 5 days and il be in RIGA :D checked in for flight today and bought return flight
[23:27] <mapps> kinda sucks 201 GBP 250 euros but when ryan air convert from euros to gbp came to 427 for 2 tickets
[23:27] <mapps> dont care anyway
[23:27] <mapps> :D
[23:28] <daftykins> :O
[23:28] <mapps> then 4 weeks and move to Spain/Gib - not sure where appt is yet
[23:29] <mapps> gonna buy a new laptop..i wont have a tv  and i watch a LOT of films/tv series..and my laptops only 15inch
[23:29] <mapps> figure i should get a 17inch
[23:29] <mapps> :D
[23:31] <daftykins> current one got HDMI or VGA out? just get a screen
[23:31] <daftykins> :P
[23:31] <mapps> but then what about when i move back to uk?
[23:32] <daftykins> i assume you mean for logistics?
[23:32] <mapps> yea
[23:33] <mapps> how can i see what module a usb wifi adapter is using
[23:34] <daftykins> lspci -nnk
[23:34] <daftykins> or "lsmod | grep 80211" sometimes
[23:34] <mapps> ah
[23:34] <mapps> thanks
[23:35] <mapps> mac80211              329373  3 rt2x00lib,rt2x00usb,rt2800lib
[23:35] <mapps> cfg80211              211002  2 mac80211,rt2x00lib
[23:35] <mapps> rfkill                 19567  2 cfg80211
[23:35] <mapps> pi@raspberrypi /etc/modprobe.d $
[23:35] <mapps> mac80211,r
[23:36] <mapps> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[23:36] <mapps> O_o
[23:36] <mapps> i wanna disable power management on it
[23:36] <daftykins> are you sure that's what's going wrong with that little toy? ;)
[23:37] <mapps> yea
[23:37] <mapps> i think
[23:37] <daftykins> and not just constrained USB issues
[23:37] <mapps> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/6957/how-to-disable-raspberry-pi-power-management
[23:38] <mapps> ah
[23:38] <mapps> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46569&p=386668
[23:38] <mapps> thats even mentions the usb wifi im using!
[23:41] <daftykins> sorry mate i don't have any time to look at stuff tonight
[23:42] <daftykins> too much rushing to book flights to nip up to England tomorrow
[23:42] <mapps> ah
[23:42] <mapps> :)
[23:42] <mapps> last min flights?