[00:22] and tonights movie is clue. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088930/ [04:46] Morning all [06:18] morning [06:51] never gonna learn am i [06:51] hey Myrtti [07:05] hey mapps [07:10] Morning everyone [07:12] installed ubuntu server on my mac mini last weekend. [07:15] knightwise: \o/ [07:15] I installed Ubuntu 6.04 on an iBook G4 [07:19] OERIAS: seriously ? [07:19] why such an old version [07:19] there are PPC versions out for 12.04 [07:19] On the mac mini , i did notice it was running hot .. installed lmsensors and now its cooling down nicely [07:19] gonna have to fly from gib -> london then london -> moscow in january [07:20] :( [07:20] didnt realise id be moving [07:20] when i booked my flights [07:20] Myrtti: its a perfect little server , silent, small and powerfull [07:21] the I7 with 16 gigs of ram knows what to do all day long runnign about 5 virtual servers all the time [07:21] yeah, we've got one too as a living room computer [07:21] we've got different kit to act as a server, though [07:21] HP microserver and a ReadyNAS with 4x4TB dribes [07:21] I have hooked up a 3tb usb drive for storage and thats mostly all I need [07:22] drives, in RAID5 [07:22] hmmm..... i'm drooling over one of those [07:22] what OS do you run on that microserver ? [07:22] Debian [07:22] and just as a fileserver or does it also do other things ? [07:22] (plex for example) [07:22] it's not even a file server, NAS takes care of that [07:22] it's a VM host [07:23] so you have a hp microserver as a vm host ? [07:23] one VM for plex, one for my irssi needs, and some dsample's projects he has every now and then [07:23] what specs does it have ? The ones I saw were like 2 gigs of ram and an amd proc [07:23] yeah [07:23] so what are the specs on your microserver ? [07:24] it used to have harddrives on it it but dsample decided to slap them all to a NAS [07:24] aha [07:24] and what cpu does it have ?/ how much ram ? [07:24] after a harddrive with one copy of photo backups went pearshaped [07:25] I'll have a look, don't have the info off hand [07:25] I copy our music and our pictures to a 500 gig Hd i've hooked up to our router. [07:26] and all the important infor for our business is in the cloud or backuped on a vm in canada [07:26] yeah I've got multiple backups of photos [07:26] too paranoid to leave it for just one harddrive located in the house [07:27] true. I'm thinking of ramming all our pics in Google drive or something [07:27] http://sprunge.us/DBeT - yeah it's a 2GB ram one with an AMD cpu. could have more RAM but I'm not complaining, it's still faster for my irssi needs than the Viglen MPC-L was [07:27] 8 euros a month gets you unliited storage now. [07:28] I can buy one of those microservers for 200 euro ... worth it ? [07:28] I've got all my photos in Flickr, 25€ a year for unlimited [07:29] I don't know if they offer that to new customers [07:29] I've paid for it since yonks [07:38] Myrtti: me too ..almost up to 700 pics [07:38] 7000 [07:45] 6002 for me [07:47] Myrtti: flickr.com/knightwise [07:47] ok , i found an hp microserver with 4 gigs of ram ... [07:47] no drives inside .. but still nice. [07:47] You've got a DOGE?! [07:47] knightwise, later on I did install 14.04 for MacMini [07:48] OERIAS: are you running it on a mac mini or a powerbook ? [07:48] morning boys and girls. [07:48] shibas are awesome [07:48] Myrtti: yep :) The original DOGE ;) So Wow ! µ [07:48] hey brobostigon [07:48] hey knightwise [07:48] Myrtti: shibas are cute loving and fracking stubborn [07:49] Both [07:49] I love spitzes [07:49] I have an iBook G4, Powerbook G4, MacMini G4 [07:49] OERIAS: i ran 12.04 on a G4 mac mini for a while. not bad if you used the LXDE interface [07:49] spitzes are awesome dogs [07:49] bummer was : no flash and stuff [07:49] PowerMac G5. [07:50] the MacMini G4 is pretty great for a server , the G5 just eats uranium rods for breakfast. Those beats suck power [07:50] <----- hangover central, made the mistake of having a drink with my ex-fiance, [07:50] Myrtti: those are cool to [07:50] brobostigon: ouch [07:50] exactly. [07:50] knightwise, 14.04 doesn't run bad with CDE [07:50] shibas aren't spitzes? aw. Learn new every day [07:50] CDE ? [07:51] Yes. Common Desktop Environment [07:51] OERIAS: didnt know that one [07:51] Myrtti: no :) Shibas are a variant of the Akita Inu's [07:51] was great to catchup with her though. [07:51] knightwise: oh, then they are [07:52] knightwise, http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/cde15solaris9.png [07:52] "The Shiba Inu (柴犬 ?) is the smallest of the six original and distinct spitz breeds of dog from Japan.[1]" [07:52] Myrtti: i stand corrected [07:52] OERIAS: ugly as hell , but very geeky :=) [07:52] spitzes ♥ [07:53] Irony : Ordering a 15inch I7 macbook pro for your company ... meanwhile working off a 10 inch 4 year old netbook ... and loving that even more. [07:53] using an old Medion netbook with LXLE , fast, cheap and geeky [07:54] lxde* [07:54] lxLE [07:54] underappreciated OS if there ever was one. [07:54] good distro, light and clean. [07:54] * knightwise has HSP , so I love non cluttered stuff [07:54] cool, i shall have to look that one up. [07:54] XFCE runs perfectly well on the G4s [07:55] XFCE is waaaaaay better than LXDE [07:55] OERIAS: damn , i should have tried that [07:55] and you don't miss flash that much anymore [07:56] * brobostigon is a haiku-os fan [07:56] brobostigon, is it still in alpha stage? [07:57] Other, I might consider running and help develop a port for powerpc machines [07:57] allthough I must say . I even use my Dell Venue 8 from time to time. all I need is a connection to the home linux server via SSH and a browser .. and I can pretty much do all I want [07:58] * knightwise is a bit of slider [07:58] OERIAS: yes, however its anything but alpha, its very stable, R1 is pretty close, except for a few bugs, also the packaging system is very impressive. they definatly could do with some help there, aswell as the ARM port. [07:58] i use all OS'es together. [07:59] knightwise, you use WIndows 8????!!!!! [07:59] installed homebrew on my Mac .. now i can just run native commands and apps on my mac [07:59] OERIAS: www.knightwise.com = hacks tips and tweaks for cross platform geeks :) [07:59] Well at least it doesn't run Windows RT [08:00] OERIAS: I have my standards :p [08:00] NO RT [08:02] brobostigon: Haiku looks pretty [08:03] I'm going to pose a stupid question : Can you (in irssi) have 2 chat windows side by side (2 chatrooms i mean) [08:05] knightwise: that it is, and very functional, and the fastest OS you will find this side of pluto. [08:06] hmmm. i might give it a try :) [08:06] morning [08:07] knightwise: cool. :) [08:08] morning popey [08:08] morning popey [08:11] Lovely SeaMonkey [08:16] knightwise: and if you do try haiku, go with a nightly. as the last stable release is ancient, and doesnt include things like the packaging system. [08:18] This is looking nicer : http://oneplus.net/uk/one [08:18] Will have to see how Android L affects my poor old Nexus 4 [08:18] brobostigon: i'll give it a spin in a VM :=) [08:18] * knightwise ist geeking out to youarelistening.to [08:18] knightwise: cool, :) [08:20] Is this a live feed from a Copper Chopper? [08:21] awilkins: you can choose all kinds of livestreams [08:21] interesting stuff [08:21] and the ambient music in the back makes it eerie [08:21] Channel I've got has no music [08:21] Los Angeles [08:21] awilkins: it takes a minute to start [08:22] * awilkins switches to Wichita [08:22] try the "numbers station" thats bizarre [08:22] Numbers stations are [08:23] ive always wondered about their purpose [08:23] Too bad the OnePlusOne does not have external storage. [08:23] awilkins: sorry but I refuse to even click that link because of the marketing gaffe they did few weeks back with the 'show us your tits and you can buy a oneplus at normal price' pile of failure they did [08:24] OERIAS, True, but with a 64GB model at £270 I wouldn't need too much external storage... does it support that thing where it's a USB host as well as a client? [08:25] Myrtti, That's ... disappointing [08:26] true, only thing we can do is demand, it shouldn't hurt. [08:26] say again? === deegee is now known as drussell [08:27] I think he means an SD Card slot, and not intimate photos [08:27] I hope so [08:30] Myrtti: that was their marketing campain ? ? ? [08:30] knightwise: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/12/oneplus-cancels-its-dumb-contest-following-uproars-of-sexism/ === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [08:48] clear [08:48] one one thousand ... two one thousand ... [08:48] 90's kids will get this [08:59] oh no, my coffee cup is empty [09:04] http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/bukkit-its-time-to-say-goodbye.305106/ vs https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/502380018216206336 [09:04] minecraft related [09:07] popey: ooh more drama in game land [09:07] It seems to be drama week.. [09:07] Good morning all; happy Senior Citizens Day! :-D [09:08] yeah, not enough drama llamas in gaming, clearly [09:08] * zmoylan-pi waves a cane in blessing over JamesTait [09:08] zmoylan-pi: followed by a "now get off my lawn" [09:08] ? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:09] of course MartijnVdS, the standard blessing [09:12] zmoylan-pi, it would be rude not to. ;) [09:13] morning everyone [09:13] senior citizens day ? ? [09:13] ** GET OFF MY LAWN YOU KIDS !!! *** [09:13] popey: https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/502381093731831808 [09:14] MartijnVdS: you beat me to it === msm is now known as Guest22365 [09:15] popey: https://twitter.com/_grum/status/502381523241144320 (ex-coworker of mine!) [09:16] what is bukkit? a mincecraft mod? [09:16] yay [09:16] yes, quite a comprehensive one [09:16] but someone is throwing a hissy fit? [09:16] does it turn pieces into real lego? [09:17] someone somewhere is always upset, thats why i avoid twitter [09:17] they congregate there [09:17] the whole ice bucket crap has made me dump facebook [09:17] (and every online newspaper i read) [09:17] they also congregate on reddit and 4chan [09:17] they congregate everywhere [09:18] My neice is off to Reading festival today [09:18] oh no. [09:18] i just realised..rading festival = rain [09:18] but i'm at the air show [09:18] so rain = no planes [09:20] hmm. I should move over my data to my new server ... [09:21] start to do a copy from one drive to the other drive ... mount some folders .. get stuff done ... [09:21] Go knightwi1e! Go knightwi1e! [09:21] decomissioning my old I5 Packard bell clunker in favor of my mac mini === knightwi1e is now known as knightwise [09:22] ice bucket [09:22] hm. [09:22] the only ice bucket i saw was on the TV news [09:23] stupid social challenges histeria. Been going on all summer here. [09:23] i was disappointed to find that the cartoon i liked and followed on facebook has not been appearing in my feed for months :( [09:23] people daring eachother to jump off a bridge into a canal [09:23] 2 Darwin awards so far with lethal concequences. [09:23] wife said, did you see today's one? i tought WHAT?? i thought they had stopped [09:23] foobarry: this is why you use an RSS reader -- facebook hides stuff [09:23] yes :( [09:24] but i think she only puts them on fb [09:24] I feel 'herded' when I use it [09:24] foobarry: then she should pay facebook to increase the number of people who get to see it.. yes that is how it works... [09:24] maybe if i had one accoutn for every friend i could collect the whole picture [09:24] ...hmm been looking at dual monitor mounts for my 2 24 inch displays .. expensive sucjers. [09:25] MartijnVdS: or i click like on every cartoon of hers [09:25] https://www.facebook.com/pages/Em-Cartoons/148180005208895?fref=ts [09:26] the only funny cartoon around. xkcd is witty/thoughtful though [09:29] my boy starts school in september. things are getting expensive [09:32] I liked Charlie Sheen's "ice bucket" challenge. He dumped $10,000 dollars over his head, donated it to the charity concerned, and dared several of his rich mates to do the same thing. [09:35] Oh yes : gripe about Duply / duplicity [09:36] It either needs to support a "maximum backup storage size" limit OR not moan about volume size when you give it a volume that's definitely large enough (what does it think is "too small" and why?) [09:36] Was setting up my Mum with backup [09:36] I thought "duplicity backups into a cloud-synced folder" [09:37] But if it exceeds the cloud allocation with historical backups, then it will be backing up and not being mirrored [09:38] So I thought "I'll make a loop file of the appropriate size and mount it at boot and backup to that" - duplicity will know when it's full and automatically remove old backups [09:38] But the duplicity moans about the volume being too small (even though it's about 10x the size of the files being backed up). [09:39] doesnt deja dup do it automatically ? [09:39] foobarry: "Back to school" all over the shops [09:39] knightwise, Doesn't have options for "limit total backup size to ...." [09:40] Sell the child and go on holiday \o/ [09:40] knightwise, And it's just a frontend for duplicity AFAIK [09:40] aha [09:41] cant you tell it to start dumping old backups when the destination is full ? [09:41] knightwise, It does do that - but - I'm backing up to a local folder on a large partition [09:41] knightwise, If I put that folder on a volume designed to fill up before the cloud folder does, it moans that it's too small [09:42] Apparently it thinks 20GB isn't good enough these days [09:42] (even for about 2GB of files) [09:43] Not sure where the threshold is, I've backed up to USB thumbs before.. [09:43] Or whether it's to do with the way I had it set up [09:43] bigcalm: sounds like a plan. want to buy two children? [09:46] popey: time to tweet therealpopey I think ;) [09:49] heh [09:49] she's at school with her pupils getting their GCSE's [09:50] Bet she's glad to be back at work [09:51] hah, she's excited [10:02] I think that my freshly installed windows 7 machine might just about be ready to use [10:03] I hate my self [10:03] So many restarts [10:04] This amused me from last night: https://twitter.com/Windows/status/502233843706126337 [10:05] I'd love myself after installing Windows 8.1 as well [10:05] Anything for some stress relief. [10:05] If I didn't know that they believed themselves, I'd have thought they were trolling me [10:06] Still installing updates. I even put in a spare SSD to help make it less sucky [10:06] It's still sucky [10:06] bigcalm: that sounds like a bot tweet [10:07] Maybe that's what they are using Cortana for. It does sound like that kind of response. [10:07] maybe they search for hate windows 8,1 [10:08] I remember having to reinstall Windows on the ex-wife's laptop because her IT department insisted that she use their horrible full-disk encryption product [10:08] Literally took all night [10:08] Reboot, reboot, reboot. [10:08] https://twitter.com/Bree_Elrod/status/501153180819156992 [10:08] ♫ We all live in a Windows subroutine [10:08] Shouldn't the IT dept. have don't it? [10:09] Was her personal machine [10:09] https://twitter.com/kennethreynolds/status/497378323698184192 [10:09] they are searching for hate windows 8.1 laptop [10:09] :( [10:10] and sounds very bottish === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [10:47] http://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/2e5f04/since_2007_apple_has_released_9_phone_models/ made me chuckle [10:48] I just have to ask you to double check what I'm seeing on the Maplin site [10:48] http://www.maplin.co.uk/c/gadgets-toys-and-hobbies/projects-kits-and-modules/arduino [10:48] is that a Nilfisk pressure washer? [10:50] and http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=flora&x=0&y=0 - are those really automatic clamps? [10:54] right, their site is useless. [10:54] haha [10:55] arduino text search returns nothing but small OLED displays [11:13] hey :) [11:13] problem :( [11:13] i get an error code when I want to use webmin [11:13] installation on 14.04 works fine [11:13] don't use webmin ;) [11:13] i add the webmin repository so i have version 1.700 [11:14] and when I want to open one of those windows that lets you browse through the folders on your system I get the following error [11:14] HTTP/1.0 500 Perl execution failed Server: MiniServ/1.700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:54:49 GMT Content-type: text/html; Charset=iso-8859-1 Connection: close [11:14] any ideas what it might be ? [11:15] on the other systems i'm running webmin version 1.690 [11:17] just found the .1690 version, [11:17] gonna try that [11:18] Does anyone here theme their Unity desktop? [11:20] yeah [11:20] numix :) [11:30] knightwise, nice to know that other people theme and not "blindly" accept the silly themes that is somewhat imposed on the rest. [11:31] OERIAS: its the first thing i do when I use unity .. personalise it [11:34] Mon Desktop: [11:34] http://imgur.com/ff55Tr8 [11:34] knightwise ^ [11:38] crud [11:38] server crashed :( [11:38] http://imgur.com/Gdwxk88 well here's my desktop [11:39] standard icons ! Get numix rounded icons :) very cool [11:39] I'm the one in the middle^w^w^won the right [11:40] Am I the only on that thinks that rounded icons are for mobile phones? [11:40] hope your eye gets better :-p [11:40] microsoft doesn't :-) [11:40] nice desktop. [11:40] first thing i always remove is background image, waste of ram [11:41] You what my background image in xfce [11:41] ? [11:41] Or Window Maker, [11:42] http://www.paulnoll.com/Colors/color-0522-Light-Pastel-Purple.jpg [11:44] I've got four background images... === zmoylan-pi is now known as zmoylan-pi|away [11:46] Are you guys likely to find more desktops and notebook computer with Linux preinstalled in the UK? [11:46] more liekly than where? [11:46] The American Empire [11:47] It's not really noticeable here [11:47] I think you have to go looking... Dell do some pre-installed machines I think. [11:48] awilkins, Dell does but sometimes the specs are inferior than their Windows machines [11:48] Much rather buy the Windows PC and wipe it off with a Slackware or Debian installation [11:48] OERIAS, When the netbooks were a new thing, the Linux ones often had better specs offset by the cost of a Windows OEM license [11:49] Personally I think I'll be sticking to Lenovo [11:49] Yes they did. I remember when I lived in Canada, the first netbooks did have linux installed [11:49] With as much Intel hardware as possible [11:49] Intel do at least have the right attitude about drivers [11:50] I actually liked IBM thinkpads over the Lenovo ones. [11:50] when shopping for a laptop i choose a compatible one first and foremost [11:50] even some with linux preinstalled may depend on dodgy binary blobs [11:50] System76 is a personal favourite of mine. [11:51] I find it a shame that the laptops you see in physical shops are rarely the ones you want to buy [11:51] I struggled to find a family laptop which didn't have the stupid "consumer" screen res of 1280x768 [11:52] Or whatever it is [11:52] The stupid 768 pixel high one [11:52] 1366x768 [11:52] Yes and mobile phone have 1200*1080 [11:52] Why not notebooks? [11:53] I had a 1600x1200 15" screen on my first laptop for work, 15 years ago [11:53] really awilkins ? [11:53] OERIAS, Yeah, nice Dell one. [11:54] I remember a lot of notebooks had shitty screens back in the early 2000's [11:54] !ohmy | OERIAS [11:54] OERIAS: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [11:55] Sorry. [11:56] are IT salaries rising or stable for the last years? [11:56] I see a lot of messages that say they need IT personel, but so far salaries don't seem to be going up that much. [11:56] In the States or elsewhere? [11:57] In the States the impression I get is that they make a lot of noise about lacking IT personnel to get their H1B visa count up [11:57] in the UK, Western Europe [11:57] I just got rehired for +33% [11:57] I want to work in the US, but H1B visa is tricky. [11:57] ah, that's funny. [11:57] my salary is only just approaching the level i had in 1999 [11:58] But I was working in a gov.uk post so I was arguably underpaid for my experience and skillset [11:58] ah really? 50k pound salaries were common in 1999-2000? [11:58] who said 50k? [11:58] Well IT jobs are very common in the US of A [11:58] in '99 I was a junior doc earning £21k [11:59] And working 80 hour weeks for it too [11:59] Some with incomes of $90,000 [11:59] Went from that to a junior dev earning £12k [11:59] but yes, £40-50k salaries in banking sector were the norm [12:00] in the late 1990s [12:00] I had a "Senior Tech Arch" for the financial sector post drop in my inbox this morning for £70k + [12:00] The problem lies with where to find jobs. Most of the .com companies in 'murika are in the Silicon valley. [12:00] sounds about right [12:01] Combination of problems... from my side, we found it really, really hard to hire people with the right XP [12:01] It seems there is a big difference in work pressure between jobs too, I see a lot of people here like doing nothing all day. [12:01] But then we pay crapulous wages because we are a gov.uk org [12:01] i know someone who went on that y cominator thing in silicon alley [12:02] ujjain, There's always a difference in work pressure even within the walls of one place [12:02] haven't seen her since [12:02] ujjain, Some people are very good at slacking, the larger and older the org gets, the more of them you'll have around [12:03] ujjain, I probably look like I'm slacking a lot of the time, but I make up for it by being very good at what I do when things need doing fast [12:03] ujjain: where is "here" [12:03] Well, in my team there is not much work, it's sometimes a bit frustrating. [12:03] in London. [12:03] Yeah, there is that as well [12:04] Especially for technical teams who only work on things decided on by other people [12:04] Yeah, not sure what to do, so much free time. [12:05] ujjain, Improve yourself, definitely. Work on things of some benefit to your employer, or even personal projects. [12:05] If you improve yourself you are of more value to the company (and yourself). [12:05] yeah, I think so, I enjoyed reading this story https://sites.google.com/site/forgottenemployee/. [12:05] So if they can't fill your working day it's an honest use of your time. [12:06] Yeah, I guess that's true. But after a while, gets a bit boring too, but I try to play my free time in advance yeah. [12:07] There is a lot of interesting upcoming Linux-stuff to learn yeah, sometimes gets a bit boring though. [12:07] Hence the reason Google allows 20% time [12:07] They know that engineers get slack, get bored [12:07] they don't do that anymore [12:07] They don't? Silly boys. [12:07] yeah, I guess that work be a nice balance, 80% IT, 20% free [12:07] in my case I feel its the other way around lol [12:07] the 20% thing was early google days [12:07] yeah, they canceled that at google [12:08] http://androidphonenamegenerator.com/ [12:09] Samsung Amaze Slide Plus [12:10] ujjain: contractor or permie? [12:10] spare time at work is time to improve your skills and document stuff [12:10] and make IT systems more efficient [12:23] g+ whats hot is terrible [12:24] gives me barely SFW stuff [13:17] Heh, Diaspora gets some media attention http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28882042?ocid=socialflow_twitter [13:18] And not good publicity [13:19] ah yes, the social network nobody remember unless it's mentioned somewhere by someone else, first [13:19] maybe they'll get some more users now [13:19] or the old users remember they have accounts [13:20] I'm surprised I managed to remember my username & password to log in just to see if it still worked [13:21] if a tree fell over on diaspora, would anyone hear it? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:53] fffffssssssssscccckkkkkkkkkkkkk [14:53] "my this is taking a long time to boot" [15:00] awww, shame knightwise isn't around to see the best ALS Ice bucket challenge video so far (IMO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4qADFNsDxE [15:01] Expecting it to be Jimmy Kimmell [15:01] Is making grep coredump worth a bug report? === msm is now known as Guest34866 [15:04]