[07:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:41] <Riddell> Oxygen font bling http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/20140821/
[08:41] <Riddell> is it more pretty than http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20140822/ ?
[08:56] <valorie> hmmm, I like different elements of both
[08:56] <valorie> the second one's blue header is better
[08:56] <valorie> the other is too crowded
[08:56] <valorie> however, the first one has a better body font
[09:30] <seaLne> yesterday i ran into a problem with updating a machine that only had 6Gb / it wasn't enough to download and upgrade to the new kde version (non ppa). this is a bit significant as the installer suggests that 6Gb is the minimum required
[09:31] <seaLne> so i wonder if the installer should suggest more
[09:31] <seaLne> this was on trusty
[09:38] <shadeslayer> seaLne: 6 GB is fine for installation
[09:38] <shadeslayer> But if you do large KDE updates, then its not
[09:38] <shadeslayer> Especially from PPA's
[09:43] <apachelogger> uh, sure it is
[09:44] <apachelogger> the deb data of an entire install is only a bit more than 1 gig
[09:44] <apachelogger> installed it's no more than 3, so you can do a full upgrade just fine
[09:45] <apachelogger> of course if you install additional packages both numbers go up and you'll run out of space
[09:47] <seaLne> well it failed for me yesterday
[09:48] <seaLne> was just a base install of kubuntu
[09:51] <apachelogger> seaLne: of 14.04?
[09:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ actually with increased iso size we should possibly look into bumping the recommended partition size to at least 8 gig
[09:53] <seaLne> yeah 14.04
[09:54] <seaLne> i admit the amount of people having such a small / is probably not great but this was the result of a guided install to an 8Gb SD card
[09:56] <apachelogger> seaLne: it still shouldn't have run out of space
[09:56] <apachelogger> oh
[09:56] <apachelogger> OTOH
[09:56] <apachelogger> seaLne: was that a new install or was it already updated some times before?
[09:57] <apachelogger> if there were previous updates it could entirely be that your old apt cache packages simply consumed too much space
[10:09] <seaLne> new install
[10:10] <seaLne> so i guess there might actually have been the difference between 14.04.1 and a couple of days ago
[10:11] <seaLne> but that still sounds a not particuarly unusual situation
[10:12] <apachelogger> even so it should fit
[10:12] <apachelogger> let's make a card to investigate
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you sure about that
[10:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about who?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> that upgrades will work on 6 GB / with PPA's
[10:59] <shadeslayer> I am unsure
[11:00] <shadeslayer> especially if it's 4.14
[11:00] <apachelogger> what would ppas matter
[11:00] <shadeslayer> cache size ? though ok cache shouldn't be more than 1 GB for 4.14
[11:00] <apachelogger> it shouldn't be more than 1gib in general
[11:00] <shadeslayer> right
[11:01] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:01] <apachelogger> as the iso is 1gib, and most of the heavy packages are xz compressed, so they should have more or less the same size so the effective cache size would only be marginally bigger than 1gib
[11:01] <apachelogger> anywho, I made a 14.10 card for it
[11:01] <apachelogger> why kubotu didn't notice that is a bug to behold as well though
[11:03] <apachelogger> hm
[11:03] <apachelogger> trello : since: 2014-08-20 14:57:32 UTC -> before: 2014-08-20 14:58:22 UTC || boards: 12
[11:03] <apachelogger> it appears to me that somehow the polling thread got stuck
[11:03] <apachelogger> most interesting
[11:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: ping
[11:05] <kubotu> pong
[11:23] <CodePulsar> Why does the link to Shop (upper right corner) from the http://www.kubuntu.org point to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ladies-polo-shirts-now-kubuntu-merchandise-shop instead of https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ ?
[11:31] <Riddell> we should get rid of that anyway they're all gone
[11:32] <Riddell> it also makes me wonder if we want to buy some more for wearing at akademy
[11:32] <Riddell> link removed
[11:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer, valorie, Riddell, yofel, apachelogger, sgclark: would you like a nice kubuntu shirt for akademy?
[11:33] <apachelogger> yes, give me all the shirts
[11:34] <yofel> sure :D
[11:34] <sgclark> yes please
[11:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh btw, kubuntu day is on thursday right?
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[11:35] <Riddell> something swanky like this? http://www.superlogo.co.uk/acatalog/Fitted-Long-Sleeved-Shirt-KK121.html#SID=3051
[11:36] <apachelogger> I'd be in favor
[11:36] <apachelogger> alternatively we could get kubuntu bowties :O
[11:36] <CodePulsar> Just donated a few GBP's so that you guys can get the shirts ;)
[11:36] <sgclark> that is nice
[11:37] <sgclark> bowties!
[11:37] <Riddell> CodePulsar: yay, thanks :)
[11:37] <Riddell> CodePulsar: of course it'll also help us to get there which is possibly just as important :)
[11:38] <Riddell> sgclark, valorie: what style for the ladies? http://www.superlogo.co.uk/acatalog/Ladies-Corporate-Shirts.html
[11:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer, valorie, Riddell, yofel, apachelogger, sgclark: please add your shirt size to https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[11:38] <sgclark> well it seems US sizes are way different than others, so I really don't know haha
[11:40] <sgclark> I like the H551 personally
[11:40] <apachelogger> I never know my size qq
[11:41] <Riddell> sgclark: the number is the colar size in inches I think 
[11:41] <Riddell> Size - XS 8 - Small 10 - Medium 12 - Large 14 - XL 16 - XXL 18 - 3XL 20
[11:43] <Riddell> seaLne: I guess if you set it to the minimum size then it will inevitably run out of disk space sooner, I'm not sure what a better thing to do would be
[11:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: it shouldn't run out of disk space in an 'install old release -> upgrade to latest things' scenario though
[11:44] <yofel> I have a trusty image lying around, let me try this in virtualbox
[11:45] <apachelogger> (old release == a release which has seen so many updates that the entire base system would be turned around once)
[11:45] <apachelogger> yofel: https://trello.com/c/AOVkhM7n/75-check-upgradabability-of-default-partition-size
[11:45] <kubotu> [14.10 :: To Do :: check upgradabability of default partition size ++ ]
[11:47] <seaLne> Riddell: are you bringing a kubuntu banner as the blue systems banner?
[11:47] <seaLne> to akademy
[11:48] <Riddell> hmm, good question
[11:48] <Riddell> I wonder if I have one here
[11:51] <Riddell> seaLne: no don't seem to have one here, I wonder if my parents could fish it out my flat and post it over
[11:51] <Riddell> seaLne: I think it's safe to say that blue systems won't have one so the space is open for kubuntu?
[11:52] <Riddell> starbuck1: ↑ ?
[11:56] <Riddell> ooh ktuberling gained some last minute breakage in 4.14!
[12:04] <Riddell> dantti: any plans to port print-manager to KF5? it's an obvious lacking feature from Plasma 5
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:17] <dantti> Riddell: I don't have kf5 packages in my distro yet :P
[12:18] <dantti> I'll be back in 20 mins
[12:39] <yofel> a default install with the restricted stuff taked 3.8G, that *should* leave enough space to install some updates (can get tight with the apt cache and if packages are never autoremoved though)
[12:39] <yofel> s/taked/takes/
[12:39] <kubotu> yofel meant: "a default install with the restricted stuff takes 3.8G, that *should* leave enough space to install some updates (can get tight with the apt cache and if packages are never autoremoved though)"
[12:45] <BluesKaj> so what's the story with no ubiquity in this image http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ ?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> as live-media it works fine, but there's no install option
[13:02] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: lies
[13:02] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ubiquity	2.19.2
[13:03] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok , how do I find it because the disk boots directly to the desktop
[13:04] <shadeslayer> just search for Install via krunner
[13:04] <shadeslayer> I will fix that next week
[13:04] <shadeslayer> in prep for beta
[13:04] <shadeslayer> I am unsure why ubiquity-dm doesn't start tbh
[13:04] <shadeslayer> it should
[13:04] <shadeslayer> anyway, needs investigation on Monday
[13:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: airm.local and gallus.local
[13:23] <Riddell> avahi-browse -a
[13:23] <Riddell> d_ed: ↑
[13:28] <Riddell> meh, why doesn't avahi work in ubuntu any more?
[13:33] <Riddell> I wonder if it's something to do with resolvconf
[14:12] <apachelogger> tomorrow is the big day
[14:13] <Riddell> what will happen?  Who knows!
[14:15] <apachelogger> so excited
[14:17] <Riddell> malcolm tucket will walk in swearing into his phone then hurl some abuse at the daleks
[14:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you need a UK server to proxy through to watch it live?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> pfsht
[14:18] <shadeslayer> proxys
[14:18] <shadeslayer> what is this?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> the 90's?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> https://hola.org/
[14:19] <yofel> that's interesting
[14:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: used it in practice?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:19] <shadeslayer> wfm
[14:19] <yofel> perfect
[14:19] <Riddell> how does it work?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> public VPN
[14:21] <Riddell> mm hmm
[14:22] <shadeslayer> and magic
[14:22] <Riddell> but do they have lots of expensive servers to use? is there some complex peer to peer setup?
[14:22] <Riddell> aah, magic, that explais it
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I have no clue
[14:22] <apachelogger> servas, supposedly there is a high speed subscription plan
[14:23] <apachelogger> i.e. I know aussies do like to sub to vpn services to get lower latency to US/EU rubbish
[14:23] <shadeslayer> "Never be a peer"
[14:23] <shadeslayer> I guess P2P
[14:24] <yofel> looks P2P unless you pay from the FAQ
[14:24] <apachelogger> reasonable enough
[14:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u guys not heading to cinema in barcelona?
[14:24] <shadeslayer> no
[14:24] <shadeslayer> I invited some friends over
[14:24] <shadeslayer> they had to work till 10, so we shall see it at 11
[14:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not coming into the office?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:25] <shadeslayer> prefer it on a TV instead of the projector
[14:25] <Riddell> picture snob
[14:25] <Riddell> I prefer to be a picture glutton
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'm a bit of a snob with my media consumption
[16:23] <soee> mm plasma 5 broken i many places after yesterday updates
[16:33] <shadeslayer> would be nice to know what's broken
[18:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[18:39] <Quintasan> !council
[18:39] <Quintasan> eh
[18:40] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK: ping
[18:40] <yofel> hm?
[18:40] <Quintasan> yofel: I accidentaly the screen in Archos tablet and I want to know if I should try reparing the screen or replace the device.
[18:41] <Quintasan> No idea what happend, I put it into my backpack when traveling and when I got back it was broken.
[18:41] <Quintasan> happened*
[18:41] <yofel> I feel with you, those things break far too easily :S
[18:42] <Quintasan> The plastic case doesn't really help the durability but well, I did somehow break it.
[18:42] <yofel> Quintasan: what costs are we talking about actually?
[18:44] <Quintasan> 360 PLN (~85 EUR) for used one, which has working display and some "traces of usage at the back"
[18:45] <Quintasan> 1300 PLN (~310 EUR) for brand new one
[18:45] <Quintasan> Though let me look at other shops
[18:46] <Quintasan> Actually I have a problem finding it now
[18:47] <Quintasan> christ, most shops no longer have it
[18:49] <Quintasan> yofel: So yeah, I think getting a brand new is nearly impossible and the one at allegro (Polish eBay-like site) looks overpriced
[18:50] <soee> Quintasan: what are you lookg for @allegro ?
[18:51] <Quintasan> soee: Archos G9 101
[18:51] <Quintasan> I accidentaly broke the screen in that one and I want to know what to do.
[18:51] <yofel> honestly, I'm so out of the loop with tablets that I have no idea if it makes sense to repair/replace it or if working out getting something more recent makes more sense
[18:52] <soee> uhm im not using any, no need good smartphone + laptop is enough :)
[18:53] <Quintasan> soee: I broke a device from Council so I'm not entirely sure what to do.
[18:53] <soee> oh, nor do i
[18:56] <debfx> has anyone tried systemd on utopic?
[18:57] <yofel> works fine, upgrades are rather buggy though
[18:57] <yofel> *updates
[18:58] <yofel> debfx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=systemd-boot
[18:58] <Quintasan> yofel: They finally uncrippled the package?
[18:58] <yofel> Quintasan: pretty much immediately after the ctte decision
[18:58] <Quintasan> Splendid
[18:58]  * Quintasan installs utopic
[18:58] <yofel> but we're missing init compatibility so stuff doesn't quite work in all cases
[18:59] <yofel> although a lot has been fixed already
[18:59] <debfx> what kind of updates are buggy?
[19:01] <yofel> anything that has unported services. Like a while ago anything lxc would crash on postinst as restarting the services would always fail. But that was about a month ago so not sure how much is still broken
[19:07] <debfx> ok thanks, I'll give it a try after converting my custom upstart jobs
[19:14] <Quintasan> yofel: I forgot to ask a simple thing about the plasma5 iso
[19:14] <Quintasan> Do we actually care about the bug reports?
[19:15] <Quintasan> for Plasma ofc
[19:15] <yofel> those go upstream anyway, don't they?
[19:15] <Quintasan> Yeah but generally this is a snapshot
[19:16] <Quintasan> So those things might get redundant very fast
[19:16] <yofel> not.. really? we ship kf5 5.1.0 and plasma 5.0.1 from what I see
[19:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:16]  * Quintasan installs the plasma5
[19:16] <yofel> neon are snapshots
[19:45] <debfx> works fine after dropping some noauto options in fstab
[20:56] <BluesKaj> plasma5 daily install wentr fine but now we have dependency hell with powerdevil depends blocking all other package upgrades and installs... is this a known bug?
[21:00] <BluesKaj> here  http://pastebin.com/wH67X1WT
[21:08] <yofel> BluesKaj: sudo dpkg -r libpowerdevilcore1 
[21:08] <yofel> should fix it, and yes, that's a bug
[21:14] <BluesKaj> yofel, thanks, that fixed it :)
[22:00] <valorie> Quintasan: as a council member, this is my advice: look around for awhile at your options
[22:01] <valorie> what would you like to have, to develop for/on?
[22:01] <valorie> repairing a device that is no longer being sold seems silly to m
[22:01] <valorie> e
[22:01] <valorie> it's broken, so let's move on
[22:02] <Quintasan> At this point in time I really wonder if there is any merit in trying to get Kubuntu onto tablet
[22:02] <Quintasan> I was able to get it up and running but touch didn't work
[22:03] <Quintasan> Vivalid/Spark's dead ATM
[22:03] <Quintasan> Vivaldi*
[22:05] <Quintasan> It would be really nice to have a Plasma-powered tablet device but you need a proper development platform and some backing from the hw manufacturer.
[22:05] <Quintasan> Tegra was really nice if not the damned driver support.
[22:06] <valorie> perhaps it's possible soon to get an Ubuntu tablet and start there?
[22:06] <valorie> I've not consulted with the rest of the Council so this is just my own opinion
[22:07] <Quintasan> I think I'll add this to the Akademy list
[22:07] <valorie> cool
[22:07] <Quintasan> Unfortunately I'm not going but it's a nice opportunity to discuss it
[22:07] <valorie> yes, but why u no come see us?
[22:07] <valorie> :(
[22:08] <Quintasan> University unfortunately
[22:08] <valorie> well, damn them
[22:08] <valorie> next year, I hope
[22:08] <Quintasan> I didn't mange to pass some courses during last two semesters and I want to get my degree on time if possible so I'm taking make-up courses next starting nex month
[22:08] <Quintasan> next*
[22:09] <Quintasan> I can't type lol
[22:09] <valorie> that sounds fun
[22:09] <valorie> not
[22:09] <valorie> your most hated courses, AGAIN
[22:09] <valorie> but at least you are already familiar
[22:09] <valorie> so that's a plus
[22:09] <valorie> what degree are you getting, Quintasan?
[22:09] <Quintasan> It's not like I hate them, it's just that I either didn't pay enough attention or the lecturer was strage
[22:10] <Quintasan> The latter is the case in the Basics of software engineering which is a UML course :/
[22:10] <Quintasan> strange*
[22:10] <valorie> my exaggeration, of course
[22:10] <Quintasan> valorie: well, Computer Science
[22:10] <valorie> cool
[22:10] <Quintasan> Not much else I can do
[22:10] <valorie> yes, I speak typo
[22:10] <valorie> :-)
[22:11] <Quintasan> Save for English philology
[22:11] <Quintasan> But I'd rather get some IT related degree
[22:11] <popey> valorie: might be tricky getting it working on an Ubuntu tablet as Ubuntu ships on tablets with Mir, not X
[22:11] <valorie> popey: so true
[22:11] <valorie> but I see nowhere else to start, do you?
[22:12] <popey> whats the goal? a plasma tablet?
[22:12] <yofel> Mir still requires EGL drivers doesn't it?
[22:12] <Quintasan> If the drivers work on Mir then I see no problems with them working with Wayland or X for that matter
[22:12] <valorie> yes, if we still think that is valuable
[22:12] <valorie> people do keep asking
[22:12] <popey> yofel: uses the android drivers
[22:12] <Quintasan> Unless something really changed in the architecture of Mir
[22:12] <yofel> hm
[22:13] <valorie> this is why it's a good topic for us to discuss
[22:13] <valorie> dead-end roads aren't much fun except for a day hike
[22:14] <valorie> of course there are meta-fears here about Mir and Kubuntu as a whole
[22:14] <valorie> so perhaps a smaller experiement might be valuable
[22:14] <valorie> experiment
[22:24] <valorie> btw Quintasan I love philology, and have been doing some study in that and linguistics for the past few years
[22:37] <Quintasan> valorie: Well, I like languages in general but I think that philology by itself will not land you any decent moneys unless you can be a sworn interpreter or however you call the guys who act as interpreters in court
[22:37] <Quintasan> Here you have to do additional studies and courses if I'm not mistaken
[22:38] <valorie> yes, any of the liberal arts seem to be devalued these days
[22:39] <valorie> my major was anthropology so I feel your pain
[22:40] <sgclark> Hi valorie! did you get my train schedule?
[22:41] <Quintasan> Well, after I land a steady job or something then I'll probably do philosophy or something as external studies.
[22:42] <valorie> oh, I'd better look at my email
[22:43] <valorie> sounds good, Quintasan
[22:43] <valorie> sgclark: I was cleaning up after a spam incident (I spammed thousands because of a crappy webform)
[22:44] <sgclark> valorie: yeah, I got a few lol, I thought it looked suspect so I disregarded
[22:45] <valorie> :(
[22:46] <valorie> disregard is the best action, for sure
[22:47] <valorie> this looks great, sgclark
[22:47] <valorie> best idea is to get cash with your credit card at the train station
[22:47] <valorie> for Vienna
[22:47] <sgclark> valorie: wonderful, tried to go as close to your schedule as I could
[22:48] <valorie> for Brno, hopefully there will be a good machine at the main train stop
[22:48] <sgclark> valorie: ok so if I bring credit card I should be ok?
[22:48] <valorie> and for you, I wish you good weather for the train ride
[22:48] <valorie> yes, be sure to call your bank and warn them you'll be abroad
[22:48] <sgclark> valorie: ok will do
[22:49] <valorie> or they might block your card after the first transaction
[22:49] <sgclark> good point... I have had that happen lol
[22:49] <valorie> I got a chip and pin travel card so even if yours doesn't work in brno, mine will
[22:49] <sgclark> I can always pay you back should something go terribly wrong
[22:50] <valorie> even still, I'll tell my local bank just in case I have to use that card
[22:50] <valorie> exactly
[22:50] <valorie> the Czech Rep. seems very inexpensive
[22:50] <valorie> I think we'll be fine
[22:50] <sgclark> so I bought some adapters and stuff for laptop and phone, anything else you think I will need?
[22:51] <valorie> do you think your phone will work in europe?
[22:51] <valorie> my regular phone will not
[22:51] <sgclark> I have no clue haha
[22:51] <valorie> so I have a little cheapie I bought in Estonia
[22:51] <valorie> call your provider - tmobile is good
[22:51] <valorie> the rest, not so much
[22:51] <sgclark> sprint : /
[22:51]  * valorie has verizon, which sucks
[22:51] <valorie> I dunno about sprint
[22:51] <valorie> doesn't hurt to ask
[22:52] <sgclark> yeah, even in VA my reception was less than a bar on a good day
[22:52] <valorie> I always bring my phone anyway, for contacts and alarm
[22:52] <sgclark> me thinks it will not work, can do wifi tho when avail
[22:52] <valorie> plus it sort of works on wifi
[22:53] <valorie> anyway, we should have one phone which is really all we need
[22:53] <sgclark> ok cool
[22:53] <valorie> I just need to plump up the mins on the euro-card I have
[22:53] <valorie> euro-sim, I should say
[22:53] <sgclark> I can chip in, just tally it to my bill :)
[22:54] <sgclark> very excited!
[22:55] <valorie> me too!
[22:55] <valorie> almost caught up from the trip to and from Randa
[22:55] <valorie> lol
[22:56] <valorie> your room here is still cluttered with junk, but I promise to clear it out before you arrive
[22:56] <sgclark> lol no worries
[22:57] <sgclark> clear me a corner to sleep and I am good!
[22:57] <sgclark> tho I need to fix my schedule so I don't sleep through akademy
[22:57] <valorie> I've got a nice couch, but a bed is better
[22:57] <valorie> well, my usual way is staying up all night before leaving
[22:58] <valorie> sleeping on the plane
[22:58] <valorie> and hit the ground running
[22:58] <sgclark> sounds good to me
[22:58] <valorie> worked for Geneva and Randa
[22:58] <valorie> so here's hoping
[22:59] <sgclark> sounds like a plan, so replace the bed with a pot of coffee!
[23:00] <valorie> lol
[23:00] <valorie> too much coffee makes it hard to sleep on the plane!
[23:01] <valorie> we'll play it by ear, and surely have a wonderful time
[23:01] <valorie> on Ubuntu's dime!
[23:01] <sgclark> :)
[23:26] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: unfortunately the latest iso (aug 22) still does not accep text and noninteractive ... is the change really in? 
[23:34] <valorie> sgclark: there is an issue on Sept. 14, I'll send you an email
[23:35] <valorie> ooops, my mistake, you are returning a day later
[23:37] <sgclark> yeah we get in at like 2am night before
[23:41] <valorie> mail sent
[23:41] <valorie> gotta run