[04:12] <master> Hey, if anyone's installed dragon naturally speaking on linux, how long does it typically take? I can't tell if playonlinux is hanging or not.
[06:43] <Wizard> Hi
[07:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:19] <tori> Hi! I have a question - I'm on Kubuntu 14.04, and I have both plasma 4.5 and 5 (switchable from the login interface). When Plasma 5 is released, will the 4.5 session bu updated to 5 or the current 5 preview will be updated to a final version? Or maybe both?
[08:20] <lordievader> tori: Kubuntu will ship with KDE 4 for a while.
[08:22] <Riddell> lordievader: past, that's Plasma 4 :)
[08:25] <lordievader> Riddell: Now you got me confused.. I thought it was KDE 4 and Plasma 5/KF5.
[08:26] <Riddell> lordievader: it was called KDE 4 when we released 4.0 but then it was rebranded so now KDE is the community and the desktop is Plasma 4 and the Applications are whatever they are
[08:28] <lordievader> Riddell: Ah, I didn't get that memo. Thanks for clarifing that for me :)
[08:31] <Riddell> you're not the only one
[08:32] <lordievader> Riddell: I know. I did now Plasma5 was not called KDE5, but I didn't know of the rename of KDE4 to Plasma4. But it makes sense.
[08:34] <kbroulik> lordievader: there was a rebranding between 4.3 and 4.4. KDE is the Community. So saying KDE4 is like saying Microsoft 8. It's not Microsoft 8, it's Windows 8. Hence Plasma 4 :) (overly simplified)
[08:34] <lordievader> kbroulik: Jup I get it now, thanks :)
[08:34] <Riddell> lordievader: ah but it's more complex than that, KDE 4.3 I think was the last release called KDE, then the releases are called KDE Software Compilation and they contained the plarform, plasma and applications
[08:35] <Riddell> and now they're due to be released separately so Software Compilation (SC) is going away and there's separate KDE Frameworks, Plasma and Applications releases
[08:36] <Riddell> I'm generally for this rebranding but the term SC is pretty inelegant and it lacks any common way to refer to KDE Software that uses Qt 4 or Qt 5 which would be handy to have
[08:38] <lordievader> Isn't it true that KF4 uses Qt4 and KF5 uses Qt5?
[09:09] <Riddell> lordievader: KDELibs4 uses Qt 4, KF5 uses Qt 5
[09:10] <lordievader> Hehe, another term...
[09:10] <Riddell> so I find myself talking about KDELibs4 land and KF5 land for any KDE Software that uses Qt 4 or Qt 5
[09:10] <Riddell> which isn't very elegant
[09:10] <lordievader> Yeah, I bet.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:07] <Wizard> jussi: kdenlive is fine.
[13:08] <Wizard> Uhh
[13:08] <Wizard> jubo2: ^
[13:19] <jubo2> Wizard: tnx. ( my question was what/which video editing I should 'sudo apt install' )
[13:19] <Wizard> That one.
[14:49] <Wizard> Let's say I have to format a pendrive.
[14:50] <Wizard> How?
[14:50] <Wizard> Without terminal magic?
[14:50] <kbroulik> Wizard: KDE Partition manager
[14:51] <kbroulik> (dunno how usb-creator-kde does that, though, it prompts "authentication is required to format a storage device")
[14:51] <kbroulik> so maybe there's a simple too for that
[14:52]  * Wizard takes jaw from the table.
[14:54] <Wizard> It failed.
[14:54] <Wizard> This is just beyond my imagination,.
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Wizard: partition manager failed?
[14:57] <Wizard> Yup
[14:57] <shadeslayer> pastebin error?
[15:43] <elmer_> My pleasure strangers.
[15:44] <elmer_> Who are my peers?
[15:46] <jubo2> jubo-jubo ici
[15:46] <jubo2> I'm just a humble Kubuntu14 user
[15:46] <elmer_> Is anybody out there?
[15:46] <lordievader> elmer_: See /names ;)
[15:46] <jubo2> elmer_: currently there are 254 users in this channel
[15:46] <jubo2> elmer_: do you have a support question? if not then there is #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:48] <jubo2> s'il vous plait
[15:49] <elmer_> I'd fix my wired connection (eth), but i guess the proper pacages are missing.
[15:50] <lordievader> elmer_: What seems to be the problem?
[15:50] <elmer_> missig eth driver(s)
[15:51] <lordievader> elmer_: That's hard to believe. What is the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 Network"?
[15:51] <elmer_> but I'm too lazy to read manuals :(
[15:56] <elmer_> i've received>>2 unrelated info lines &! Kernel driver in use: wl
[15:56] <elmer_> *"Kernel driver in use: wl"
[16:01] <lordievader> elmer_: Please pastebin the full output.
[16:01] <lordievader> !paste | elmer_
[16:07] <elmer_> No problem. Thanks in advance. It will be alright.
[16:09] <Wizard> shadeslayer: kde partition manager told me that pendrive created from Kubuntu ISO has no valid partition scheme (which was an obvious lie). So I ordered it to create new scheme, create new ntfs partition, gave it a label and licked apply. It failed on step one.
[16:10] <michael> Hey
[16:10] <Wizard> Than I clicked apply after any change and it worked, however this time I've chosen fat32.
[16:10] <Wizard> michael: Hi.
[16:10] <Guest3385> Whats goin on?
[16:11] <Wizard> Guest3385: Seems "michael" is protected by NickServe ;]
[16:12] <Wizard> Hmm, another problem I'm having with Kubuntu 12.04 is the boot and KDE launch time.
[16:12] <Wizard> It takes about 30s to KDM, than about 35s to fire netbook-plasma.
[16:12] <Wizard> Uh, 14.04
[16:12] <Wizard> Sorry.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> dougiel, gparted live-media , or installed on the hdd
[17:09] <dougiel> gparted in installed/live on arch (antegros) mint 14.04 everything I try.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> dougiel, gparted is problty looking for a file system like ext4 for example ..if you deleted the fs then the partition should be unallocated and if possible, try unmounting the partition
[17:16] <dougiel> BluesKaj, my /home is /dev/sdb2
[17:16] <dougiel> and all the data is there.
[17:20] <dougiel> BluesKaj, sec will boot my live 14.04 and report back here...
[17:21] <BluesKaj> dougiel, perhaps a reinstall of 14.04 to / , then w
[17:22] <BluesKaj> using ubiquity manual partitioning set your /home mountpoint without formatting. but format /
[17:26] <Guest46702> BluesKaj: same...
[17:26] <dougiel> BluesKaj: same...
[17:32] <BluesKaj> dougiel, perhaps a reinstall of 14.04 to / , then using ubiquity manual partitioning set your /home mountpoint without formatting. but format /
[18:15] <jubo2> I want to record texy Linux action
[18:16] <jubo2> that is to say I need a screen capture solution that I can use to record the 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade' processes and then use those as material in kdenlive
[18:17] <bprompt> !recordmydesktop | jubo2
[18:20] <bprompt> jubo2:    http://cdn8.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/640x316xscreenshot_002.png.pagespeed.ic.9wyYaSO6zw.png
[18:21] <jubo2> From startpaging around I got 'sudo apt-get install gtk-recordmydesktop'
[18:22] <jubo2> that'd prlly be my poison of choice..
[18:22] <jubo2> bprompt: thanks for your response
[18:22] <jubo2> bprompt: don't we have dpkg bot service here ?
[18:23] <bprompt> I'd think ubottu  would have that, yes.... but could be under something else
[18:23] <jubo2> lestry..
[18:23] <jubo2> !tell jubo2 about xyz
[18:24] <jubo2> [18:25] <jubo2> seems at 1st glance same bot framework / implementation as dpkg is in .. uhh .. #debian I think..
[18:29] <jubo2> the gtk-RecordMyDesktop doesn't seem to be working rationally perceived
[18:30] <jubo2> it doesn't give any key to stop recording ... the program window just dissappears and there is nowhere no icon to click to stop the "recording"
[18:30] <jubo2> my bad.. needed to right-click on the blank-symbols
[18:43] <K`zan> Hi folks, how does one get rid of this damn wallet thing?
[18:48] <jubo2> K`zan: I don't think you do.. The wallet is used for storing your secrets ( passwords associated with usernames and such )
[18:48] <jubo2> or WiFi WPA2 shared secrets and such
[18:51] <K`zan> jubo2: That damn wallet is a horrid PITA, I guess my only option is to use another email program or change UIs, whoever stuck us with that crap, deserves to have to deal with it for every users that finds it a gross PITA :-).
[18:52] <jubo2> Pita.. kebab..?
[18:52] <K`zan> Sigh, just the continuing progression to make kde totally useless, STILL not half the functionality of KDE3, sigh.  Been using KDE forever but it does look like time to find somethiing less obnoxious.
[18:52] <K`zan> THanks anyway :-).
[18:58] <jubo2> the recordMyDesktop stopped saving files
[18:58] <jubo2> or the gtk- portion of it prlly
[18:59] <jubo2> so I reboot the system and hope it comes back
[19:01] <jubo2> what's the correct command to chain 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade' together so they are executed with single command line ?
[19:02] <soee> & ?
[19:03] <jubo2> so 'sudo apt update & sudo apt upgrade' ?
[19:03] <jubo2> I've used the ampersand only to tell a program to go to background right from start
[19:04] <jubo2> and '&&' for non-exclusive-or in some archaic lang
[19:08] <gomiboy> jubo2: I just joined, so i don't know what you are doing, but the command is 'apt-get' and not 'apt' and you should use && which in bash means "execute the second command only if the first succeeded"
[19:09] <jubo2> gomiboy: 'kdänks
[19:10] <jubo2> I'm coming from the Debian GNU/Linux part of the world and just recently learnt not to use aptitude on Kubuntu coz it may do freaky shit
[19:15] <jubo2> is there a way to run only a simulation of 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[19:16] <jubo2> The recordMyDesktop seems flaky in the reliability of the "save file"-dialog
[19:17] <jubo2> I wouldn't want to miss the chance to capture the upgrade for the video we need to have done by Tuesday
[19:49] <Gatis> For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19:49] <jubo2> Amen Gatis
[19:50] <Gatis> AAAAMEN!
[19:51] <jubo2> also Gatis I think you potentially gonna get the bannhammer if you push your own theistic groups views.
[19:53] <jubo2> I mean this is a #Kubuntu support channel, not spout your religious propaganda channel..
[19:54] <Gatis> jubo2, who cares :D
[19:54] <jubo2> Gatis: personally.. nice to know there are other belivers in the Lord out there
[19:55] <jubo2> Gatis: come hang in ##learnanylanguage .. everything is on-topic there
[19:55] <Gatis> what is that
[20:11] <Gatis> Okay
[20:11] <Gatis> Let's go to sleep
[20:11] <Gatis> Jesus can come whn we least expet
[20:12]  * vexer harts kubuntu
[20:38] <lap1> hey
[21:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I got this link from the ##hardware channel: they say it will solve my encryption problem, but will these command lines work with the new, 14.04 versions of ubuntu?  http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-play-dvd-under-ubuntu/
[21:05] <Unit193> !libdvdcss
[21:09] <genaerft> hey
[21:09] <genaerft> I changed the board and CPU and RAM and now Grub refuses to boot. because of wrong uuids
[21:09] <genaerft> do I need to correct the UUIDs? bklid shows no difference (via boot-repair)
[21:09] <genaerft> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8116143/
[21:11] <genaerft> Any help is apprechiated
[21:13] <genaerft> i tried a lot, and I don't know why my system problem is so tough
[21:16] <genaerft> Now, after boot-repair, I enter into the busy-box... which isn't accessible via usb keyboard.
[21:16] <genaerft> so I want to use the live cd again to solve my problem, but I can't edit some boot config because its in the MBR
[21:18] <BluesKaj> SamwiseGamgee, you can find libdvdcss2 at the vldeolan/vlc site
[21:19] <SamwiseGamgee> is that the same as the abovve link I got from ubottu?
[21:20] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, it must be different, may be vlc has more up to date instructions
[21:21] <BluesKaj> SamwiseGamgee, libdvdcss is no longer available at the ubuntu site afaik
[21:22] <SamwiseGamgee> Should I install LibDVDcss before I install VLC Media Player, or should I install VLC Media Player first?  Keep in mind, I am not using Kubuntu, but xubuntu, but I am assuming it makes no difference, as they are both ubuntu 14.04 operating systems
[21:22] <BluesKaj> genaerft,  reinstall to / if you have a /home partition otherwise new hw usually requires a clean install
[21:23] <genaerft> BluesKaj: actually I wanted to do a fresh install.. on the new ssd, which isn't recognized...
[21:23] <BluesKaj> SamwiseGamgee, it makes no diff afaik, but vlc then css is probly safest
[21:23] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks, BluesKaj
[21:24] <genaerft> BluesKaj: but is it really needed? 1 time booting worked, on the 2nd try without any changes
[21:25] <BluesKaj> genaerft, it's hard to predict with new HW
[21:26] <genaerft> I know, I need a new graphic driver, since the window manager looked 90s-ish
[21:27] <BluesKaj> anyway it's been a long day ,,, and it's almost dinnertime
[21:27] <BluesKaj> laters
[21:31] <genaerft> thx
[21:31] <genaerft> changing from AHCI to IDE helped -> it's booting again
[21:32] <SamwiseGamgee> Bon appetit BluesKaj
[21:38] <SamwiseGamgee> Is it safe to install a program like DVDLibcss from a third party website?  I can't remember the last time I did that.  It must have been months ago.  The ubuntu operators always tell me to install any new software package from the Ubuntu Software Centre
[21:41] <SamwiseGamgee> Or to install new software using the terminal command line.  I think the software package updates better that way, and may be it's safer?  Anyway, I forgot how to install new packages from a third party website.  I thought that is for Windows users and not Ubuntu users, right?
[21:43] <orestis> hello, I have ubuntu unity 14.04 on my laptop and I want to change to kde, if I install kubuntu-desktop I will have the exact same apps and configuration as original Kubuntu. Some people suggest not to install a lot of different DEs because it will slow down your system is it true?
[21:43] <Unit193> SamwiseGamgee: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html it's more up to you, but official channels generally don't support third party repos like this.  There's also a script in another package, but IMO it's not as good as it's not updated.
[21:44] <SamwiseGamgee> IMO?
[21:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I just want to know what is the safest and easiest way to install the most up-to-date version of VLC Media Player and DVDcss for Ubuntu 14.04