[07:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:23] <willcooke> hey seb128
[07:23] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[07:23] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:24] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:24] <seb128> lut pitti, ça va bien ?
[07:26] <pitti> seb128: oui, merci -- mais j'attends avec impatience le weekend, pour que je peux dormir :)
[07:26] <seb128> pitti, moi c'est pareil !
[07:26] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[07:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you?
[07:26] <robert_ancell> seb128, good, yourself?
[07:26] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[07:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, what are you working on those days? ;-)
[07:26] <robert_ancell> I hope you are all enjoying a beer at the present like I am :)
[07:27] <pitti> eww, beer in the morning! :-)
[07:27] <robert_ancell> seb128, lightdm, mps, u-s-d
[07:27] <seb128> haha
[07:27] <seb128> friday evening for the lucky ones!
[07:27] <robert_ancell> will cycle back to gtk-mir next week and see if I can make anymore headway on that
[07:28] <seb128> the utopic version works less nicely than the demo we had in Malta here
[07:28] <seb128> could be due to Mir
[07:28] <seb128> like I can't type in gedit
[07:28] <seb128> nor open menus
[07:29] <robert_ancell> yeah, the goalposts might have moved
[07:29] <robert_ancell> Malta was a pretty tuned hack
[07:30] <RAOF> The things that bumped GTK support from the front of my queue are almost resolved, and the groundwork for it has already been merged.
[07:31] <willcooke> Does anyone know if the session unlock issue is going to get a fix on the Desktop Next image any time soon?
[07:31] <RAOF> So Mir might be more able to support GTK better in the not too distant future.
[07:31] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yay!
[07:31] <seb128> willcooke, it should be fixed with https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/ you can opt in to try it
[07:32] <willcooke> thx seb128
[07:32] <seb128> RAOF, nice
[07:32] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw did you see that Laney had issues with your u-s-d/gnome-desktop changes?
[07:32] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, I've only started looking at them, hopefully will resolve early next week
[07:32] <robert_ancell> I don't think they
[07:33] <robert_ancell> 're a big problem, just some detail to track down
[07:33] <seb128> right
[07:33] <seb128> things is that ff was yesterday
[07:34] <seb128> but well, I guess we can get an exception for that landing
[07:34] <seb128> (the Ubuntu GNOME team really want the updated gnome-desktop in)
[07:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I figured it's not worth rushing
[07:36] <seb128> right, still might be good to put high on the todolist
[07:36] <robert_ancell> first thing next wekk
[07:36] <robert_ancell> week
[07:36] <seb128> thanks
[07:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, anything else high prio?
[07:39] <seb128> not that I can think about, no
[07:39] <seb128> GTK Mir ;-)
[07:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, we can land the idle part of the u-s-d mp right?
[07:40] <robert_ancell> I had a look at doing the process myself but we seemed to be in TRAINWRECK0 or something
[07:42] <willcooke> ok, I give up.  What changed in sshd config in Utopic? Why can't I just ssh in?
[07:43] <seb128> ssh in what?
[07:43] <willcooke> I want to ssh in to my touchscreen laptop to add that ppa
[07:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, u-s-d, isn't that what laney had symbol conflict issues with?
[07:43] <seb128> willcooke, hum, unsure, the phone config stuff changes but desktop shouldn't
[07:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, with the RandR stuff, but not the Idle stuff afaik.
[07:44] <robert_ancell> Laney, confirm?
[07:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, saw https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/xrandr/+merge/224548/comments/561618 ?
[07:47] <seb128> next comment as well on the same mr
[07:47] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah, he's tried the other branch there I guess
[07:47] <willcooke> hrm.  I removed and re-added ssh, now it works.  I'll try and recreate and open a bug
[07:47] <seb128> k
[07:51] <willcooke> seb128, it works, it works, it works!!!  Woohoo!
[07:55] <seb128> yeah \o/
[08:00] <willcooke> hey larsu - shall we have our weekly meeting?
[08:00] <larsu> willcooke: I was just about to write the same :)
[08:00] <willcooke> :D
[08:20] <willcooke> seb128, I will be in and out a bit today.  I'm still coughing a lot and might go back to bed for a few hours
[08:22] <seb128> willcooke, ok, get better!
[08:23] <seb128> is that still the same cold since China?
[08:23] <seb128> or did you just got another one after getting over the first one?.
[08:24] <willcooke> seb128, different one.  I was getting over the China one on the last day there.  Then I got home and my son had a cough, we took him to the Dr's and they said he had tonsillitis and not to let him cough on you.
[08:24] <willcooke> but he's six
[08:24] <willcooke> so he doesnt cover his mouth when he coughs
[08:24] <willcooke> (despite me telling him to)
[08:25] <willcooke> and now I have the same thing :(
[08:25] <willcooke> is Google calendar down for anyone else?
[08:25] <seb128> :-(
[08:25] <seb128> calendar is working for me
[08:25] <willcooke> popey, is Gcal working for you?
[08:26] <willcooke> (assuming Laney is on the road)
[08:26] <seb128> (yeah, he should be)
[08:34] <popey> willcooke: yes.
[08:35] <willcooke> yes = broken popey ?
[08:35] <willcooke> *broken, popey
[08:36] <popey> eh
[08:36] <popey> 09:25:57 < willcooke> popey, is Gcal working for you?
[08:36] <popey> 09:34:40 < popey> willcooke: yes.
[08:36] <popey> no, no, no, no, no.... yes.
[08:36] <willcooke> :D
[08:37] <willcooke> well darn.
[08:37] <willcooke> why isnt it working for me
[08:37] <willcooke> maybe some new cookies
[08:37] <popey> Have you tried rebooting?
[08:38] <willcooke> and now it works
[08:38] <willcooke> clear cookies
[08:39] <seb128> popey, rebooting? it's not win95 here
[08:39] <willcooke> \o/
[08:40] <willcooke> So, the Inspiron 3137
[08:40] <willcooke> I don't like the keyboard
[08:40] <willcooke> and I don't like the glossy screen
[08:40] <willcooke> but I *love* it
[08:40] <willcooke> the laptop is really nice.  Quite fast with an SSD, U8 works nicely
[08:41] <seb128> do they make touch screens which are not glossy?
[08:41] <willcooke> good point
[08:41] <seb128> or does touch need to be glass that is glossy by definition?
[08:41] <larsu> it doesn't have to be, but they need more robust surfaces for touch
[08:41] <larsu> so they usually go with something glassy
[08:41] <larsu> also, most people prefer the look
[08:42] <seb128> do they have non glassy surfaces that work and are cheap enough?
[08:42] <willcooke> you can get not glossy glass, e.g. in picture frames you can get non-reflective glass, but it costs $$$$$$$
[08:42] <willcooke> and is also witch craft
[08:43] <larsu> ah - they also use those for glasses, right?
[08:43] <willcooke> ahh, yes - good point
[08:47] <popey> seb128: it's a joke ☻
[08:48] <popey> (there is a UK situation comedy involving computer helpdesk workers who use 'have you tried rebooting' as their first suggestion every time)
[08:48] <seb128> popey, oh, the it crowd
[08:48] <seb128> didrocks showed me some episods
[08:49] <seb128> ;-)
[08:50]  * ochosi always wondered if an it girl was part of an it crowd
[08:50] <popey> ☻
[08:51] <willcooke> :D
[09:02] <willcooke> seb128, FYI Monday is a public holiday in the UK
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, ok, enjoy it!
[09:14] <tjaalton> is there a capplet for fonts anymore?
[09:14] <tjaalton> font scaling in utopic seems regressed
[09:18] <tjaalton> or maybe the default font size just got bumped?
[09:19] <seb128> nothing should have changed, and no there is no capplet since GNOME3
[09:21] <tjaalton> i have a test system with a 3200x1800 panel, and with default scaling things look tiny
[09:21] <tjaalton> so I had it bumped to 1.5 so that dash icons are bigger and font readable
[09:22] <tjaalton> but now after upgrade the fonts  got even bigger
[09:22] <seb128> weird, we didn't change much in the gnome and unity stacks
[09:23] <seb128> bregma might know about the issue
[09:23] <tjaalton> the capplet icon size didn't change, but the captions did so the text doesn't fit under the icon
[09:24] <tjaalton> but I guess those icons don't scale
[11:42] <bregma> tjaalton, that weird font scaling problem is caused by *something* setting the Large Text accessibility option when the Gnome text scaling factor is increased -- and we haven't identified the culprit yet
[11:42] <bregma> you can turn it off again in the control center then roll the dice the next time you start a new session
[11:42] <seb128> bregma, that something is likely the settings daemon
[11:42] <seb128> or unity
[11:43] <tjaalton> bregma: ah, ok
[11:43] <seb128> nothing else play with settings on session start
[11:43] <tjaalton> good to know
[11:45] <bregma> it's not Unity, but there's definitely a race during startup because sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes the text starts out OK and then suddenly jumps bigger
[11:46] <bregma> it's the last scaling bug we know about that hasn't been fixed yet
[14:04] <qengho> cyphermox: bonjour!  Verify this please?  https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/utopic/urfkill/lp1357576-segv-formatstring/+merge/231897
[14:04] <cyphermox> gladly
[14:05] <cyphermox> fail
[14:05] <cyphermox> I fail
[14:06] <qengho> cyphermox: I'm kind of alarmed the "hardening wrapper"  bit didn't raise an compilation error at that.  :\
[14:06] <cyphermox> hehe
[14:07] <cyphermox> hardening-wrapper is something that needs to go from this package too; there are other ways
[14:07] <cyphermox> so, looks good; with the only exception that we could also just remove the patch
[14:08] <cyphermox> do you need me to sponsor it or can you upload it?
[14:08] <qengho> cyphermox: please sponsor.
[14:10] <cyphermox> np
[14:29] <cyphermox> qengho: I added the change for hardening; I'm uploading as soon as sbuild returns
[14:29] <qengho> ack.