[00:01] <daftykins> pretty much!
[00:01] <daftykins> wasn't sure i could get a house + cat sitter until today as i didn't ask my friends quick enough
[08:08] <Myrtti> moin
[08:09] <knightwise> mornin
[08:14] <knightwise> hmmM. mac sold
[08:14] <knightwise> :) at least thats what I hope :)
[08:14] <knightwise> still got a good deal on the machine even if its allmost 3 years old
[08:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:42] <foobarry> had a choice of looking after 1yr old or 4yr old today
[08:43] <foobarry> i think the 4yr old would have been easier
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> you can break out the nerf with the 4yo
[08:48] <foobarry> and not have to spend all day chasing them
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> you can just switch to megadarts and wing them :-p
[08:48] <foobarry> does flightradar24 only feature large passenger 737 style planes?
[08:49] <foobarry> what about light aircraft
[08:50] <popey> Morning slackers.
[08:51] <foobarry> oh, i think its only commercial /cargo/passenger aircraft
[08:51] <foobarry> wondered if there was a site for finding what interesting plane flew over your house
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> you want advance notice next time the antonov 225 is about? :-)
[08:55]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if you could a.i. recognise aircraft from a webcam covering an airport
[08:55] <foobarry> saw something resembling a vampire the other day, wondered what it was
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> not many aircraft look like a vampire
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> and if it had a jet engine almost none i think
[09:00] <zmoylan-pi> list of twin boom aircraft is quite small, you might spot it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-boom
[09:03] <foobarry> p38 lightnings look similar too
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Hug Your Boss Day! :-D
[09:04]  * knightwise would rather not hug his boss
[09:05] <foobarry> i think i would have known if it was a vampire as it probably would have made an awesome sound
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> but a p38 is a prop driven plane, would sound instantly different on spotting one
[09:06] <foobarry> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Skymaster#mediaviewer/File:Cessna_Skymaster_O-2_5.jpg
[09:07] <foobarry> i wonder...
[09:08] <Myrtti> well, that's atleast one part of the Christmas presents sorted
[09:08] <Myrtti> even if Animi Causa website was annoying as hell
[09:08] <knightwise> anyone here using his/her display in portrait mode  ?
[09:08] <knightwise> (external monitor i mean)
[09:09] <foobarry> occasionally knightwise
[09:09] <foobarry> when reading long docs
[09:10] <knightwise> i've been playing with a portrait mode external monitor for a couple of days .. and since i'll be getting my new laptop tomorrow (it supports dual external screens) i thought about putting my 2 24 inchers in portrait mode
[09:10] <knightwise> landscape mode is just too wide to comprehend if you have 2 24 inch monitors
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> flip one monitor to portrait for reading the long stuff?
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> unless that triggers ocd of course :-)
[09:14] <knightwise> erm .. yeah
[09:15] <knightwise> I have simmetrical OCD
[09:16] <awilkins> Does it have an awesome graphics card that will support 3 x 3D renders?
[09:16] <awilkins> Play Formula 1 games
[09:23]  * zmoylan-pi leaves this here for knightwise :-) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btx_cIvCIAA39l4.jpg:large
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:27] <bashrc> morning
[09:27] <hazrpg> brobostigon: morning
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning hazrpg and bashrc, long time no see hazrpg.
[09:28] <bashrc> been busy
[09:28] <bashrc> also server up and down
[09:57] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: E vil
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> but only the finest evil :-)
[10:02] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: indeed
[10:03] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: I have found a new friend for you http://www.angelfire.com/apes/bonzi_buddy/
[10:04] <knightwise> you can even download the setup file ;)
[10:06]  * zmoylan-pi is really more a cat person... :-)
[10:07] <knightwise> like this , http://mcphee.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/r/crazy_cat_lady_action_figure_1.jpg
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> i only want 1 action figure, http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2001-A-Space-Odyssey-Monolith-Action-Figure.jpg
[10:14] <knightwise> OMG .. its full of starr... *
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> says so on the packet
[10:15] <Myrtti> I ordered 5 of these, four as a Christmas present http://www.animicausa.com/shop/Gifts-for-Him/Leatherdos-Mini-tools-clip/tpflypage.tpl.html
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> overkill, this would be better :-) http://todaymade.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/macgyver-multitool.jpg
[10:23] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Chromecast-Streaming-Media-Player/dp/B00I4WQ618/
[10:23] <popey> chromecast down to 18 quid
[10:23] <knightwise> just ordered my second one yesterday
[10:24] <knightwise> chromecast + plex = Dreamy !
[10:25] <awilkins> Is there a UK source for that hair clip? Seems the ideal present for a geeky daughter..
[10:25] <awilkins> (with apologies for my sexual stereotyping, I just don't have a son to give one to)
[10:27] <awilkins> Although I suppose they have stuck a big Union Flag on the page emphasising their free shipping
[10:31] <foobarry> £18 ? ugh
[10:32] <foobarry> paid 30£ each onlt last month
[10:32] <knightwise> payed 30 yesterday
[10:37] <foobarry> oof
[10:38] <foobarry> maybe new version coming then
[11:00] <kvarley-work> Trying to "Connect To Server" via the Ubuntu filemanager but I'm trying to FTP to a server which has an "@" symbol in the username so the following connection string doesn't work. Is there a way around it? ftp://username@domain.com@domain.com/somefolder
[11:01] <directhex> use a colon?
[11:01] <directhex> hm, no
[11:01] <directhex> tricksy
[11:01] <directhex> backslash escape?
[11:02] <kvarley-work> Doesn't seem to work
[11:03] <kvarley-work> It's a tricky one isn't it
[11:03] <kvarley-work> The hosting provider doesn't allow the username to not have the domain name in it
[11:03] <kvarley-work> So they force the @ symbol
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/814322/how-to-use-linux-command-line-ftp-with-a-sign-in-my-username
[11:10] <shauno> good lord, most of those answers are terrible
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> true but you never know which weird one might work
[11:17] <Myrtti> awilkins: I did search for one myself and found none
[11:18] <Myrtti> I'm childishly happy over having Yorkshire Tea phone case background. wheeeeeeeeee
[11:18] <awilkins> Myrtti, Those guys do have free shipping, even internationally though
[11:18] <Myrtti> awilkins: yeah.
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> it's made of compressed tea for survival situations? :-)
[11:18] <awilkins> Myrtti, But... out of stock
[11:19] <Myrtti> awilkins: but if for Christmas present...
[11:19] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[11:19] <Myrtti> I can wait
[11:19] <awilkins> Myrtti, Indeed
[11:19] <awilkins> Myrtti, I already got one of these for the gf, who has an enduring fondness for butter : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1070983896/the-stupendous-splendiferous-butterup
[11:19] <awilkins> (but not arrived yet, 'natch)
[11:20] <awilkins> Chromecast price : yay. ish. I have no devices with HDMI ports that are not monitors connected to my main computer.
[11:20] <Myrtti> yeah we might participate into that too
[11:22] <awilkins> re: Chromecast, my main TV source is now Netflix via Wii, on my SD CRT
[11:22] <awilkins> Can't quite bring myself to replace that old TV...
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> i can see the movie, an acronym too far :-)
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> if it ain't broken
[11:23] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: no they sent a card at the end of July with a sticker to celebrate Yorkshire day, and I repurposed the card
[11:24] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/14803415938/
[11:24] <zmoylan-pi> cause the chinese used to compress tea into bricks for money so it might be doable as a phone case with a little effort
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> nice job on trimming the sticker to the case, professionally done
[11:26] <Myrtti> it's not a sticker :-P that's the card
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> sorry, card
[11:26] <Myrtti> and Ringke Fusion cases come with a form to help with the cutting
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> i like when companies think of details like that
[11:31] <diddledan> morning
[11:39] <popey> haha, thats neat Myrtti
[11:40] <popey> the start of that butterup video annoys me intensely, who spreads bread in their hands!?
[11:40] <Myrtti> depends on the bread
[11:42] <Myrtti> if it's hard like Finnish rye often is, then there's no hope in trying to get the butter on it if it's on a slippery plate
[11:42] <bigcalm> Breadboard, always
[11:43] <Myrtti> British white is so moist and spongy it sticks to a vertical cupboard door on its own, if you throw it hard enough, so that you have to do on a plate or something
[11:43] <foobarry> racist
[11:43] <bigcalm> Not the electronic breadboard though
[11:43] <popey> i use a wooden breadboard
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> if you're camping you butter your bread that way iirc
[11:43] <popey> I ♥ my breadboad
[11:43] <popey> your butter wouldn't be likely to be in a fridge if you were camping would it?
[11:43] <popey> also, the guy in the video clearly isnt camping
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland outdoors is the fridge :-)
[11:44] <bigcalm> I think my wooden breadboard was sold as a chopping board for meat - there's a channel for juices to pool in
[11:44] <foobarry> don't seem to be able to post youtube comment
[11:44] <foobarry> just says posting...
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> and i seemed to remember reading the butterknife works via body heat. how long do you have to hold it for that to work?
[11:45] <popey> foobarry: i had that, was a cookie problem
[11:45] <foobarry> ta, will try in firefox instead
[11:45] <popey> i just removed all *.google.com and *.youtube.com cookies and re-signed in, it worked
[11:46] <foobarry> ugh ff too
[11:46] <foobarry> wlil remove cookies
[11:48] <ali1234> i also had that problem
[11:48] <foobarry> today?
[11:48] <ali1234> no ages ago
[11:49] <ali1234> also, who keeps butter in the fridge? that's just wrong
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> no you keep butter in the fridge but have a small part of it in butter dish at room temp for immediate use
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> these philistines don't know how to use butter :-)
[11:50] <ali1234> yeah
[11:50] <foobarry> hmmm no worky
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> next week, the proper storage and maintenace of bread :-)
[11:51] <ali1234> my parents keep butter in the fridge and bread in the freezer. it's so annoying
[11:51] <foobarry> butter is rare nowadays
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> bread in the freezer is only for cheap bread.  it affects the taste
[11:52] <ali1234> it doesn't just affect the taste, it also makes it go soggy and chewy
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> most people now use spreads in leiu of butter. tis a shame really
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> butter is much more tasty
[11:52] <ali1234> and when you defrost it it is guaranteed to go moldy in less than 1 day
[11:52] <awilkins> And healthier than hydrogenated vegetable oils
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> instead of bread for soups i use cream crackers crumbled up, lovely
[11:52] <awilkins> I have "convenience" butter, the kind mixed with a little veggie oil to make it softer
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> and fresh for months
[11:53] <foobarry> tried clearing cookes and multiple browsers..something else is broke  i think
[11:54] <ali1234> and spreads: people think it is healthier but it isn't if you use 10x as much because it has literally no flavour
[11:56] <awilkins> Most of them are 80% fat anyway
[11:56] <awilkins> Just like butter
[11:56] <foobarry> fat is ok
[11:56] <awilkins> Yeah, sugar is the enemy
[11:56] <foobarry> i don't like butter/spread on bread
[11:56] <foobarry> unless i am about to dip it in soup
[11:56] <awilkins> I'm open to the idea of using olive oil instead
[11:57] <foobarry> olive oil+balsmamic vinegar with ciabatta is yum
[11:57] <Myrtti> cottage cheese, onion and carrots blended into a spread
[11:57] <awilkins> Daughter loves good bread with olive oil and balsamic
[11:57] <Myrtti> if you're into that kind of thing
[11:58] <foobarry> almost sounds like coleslaw Myrtti
[11:58] <Myrtti> or was it onion and sweet pepper
[11:58] <Myrtti> I can't remember
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> irish soda bread with butter and glass of cold milk or tea....
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> just typing that and members of my family are drooling as they remember my mothers soda bread :-)
[12:00] <foobarry> baby is sleeping, think i will have a 30 min snooze too
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> baby will wake up 2m after foobarry drifts off
[12:00] <foobarry> nah
[12:00] <foobarry> she is predictable
[12:00] <foobarry> unless doggy barks
[12:00]  * zmoylan-pi places bet
[12:06] <diddledan> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-festivals/11046537/Tesco-store-swaps-vegetables-for-booze-ahead-of-Reading-Festival.html
[12:06] <diddledan> \o/
[12:12] <BigRedS> Surely there's enough volume sold now to justify having all these in plastic bottles?
[12:12] <diddledan> yeah, but that means they can't charge as much
[12:12] <diddledan> plastic = cheap
[12:12] <BigRedS> But it's also easier to get into the festival, I'd charge a premium for that
[12:12] <diddledan> glass = cheap to manufacture but expensive to consumers
[12:13] <diddledan> expensive to consumers = pr0f1t
[12:13] <BigRedS> yeah, it just seems tht plastic bottles are something the festival goers would seek out
[12:13] <BigRedS> for the convenience rather than necessarily the price
[12:16] <diddledan> I would expect the festival organisers would prefer plastic, too, as would the security guys
[12:20] <BigRedS> yeah, I know they used to confiscate glass back in the day when I went, I assume it's the same now
[12:21] <BigRedS> actually, it might be that all spirits need to be smuggled, so it's all getting transferred to old coke bottles on the pavement outside the shop anyway
[12:21] <diddledan> eep
[12:21] <BigRedS> Should just have a tap and sell it by the litre
[12:22] <diddledan> would that make it easier or harder to steal / maintain stock control
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's be the alcos drinking from the tap that would be an issue
[12:23] <BigRedS> a prepay tap would be hard to steal from, same model as unattended petrol stations
[12:23] <diddledan> chug chug chug
[12:23] <diddledan> ^^^^^ what does that actually mean?
[12:24] <zmoylan-pi> a wino finding 50p on pavement and topping up with no bottle
[12:25] <shauno> the tap would probably need to be in the store anyway, else they can't control minors, which is hot water rather quickly
[12:32] <BigRedS> oh yeah, I forgot about that
[12:32] <awilkins> Tap for which you buy bottles that have a volume code in their neck or something
[12:32] <BigRedS> especially given that >50% of the people at Reading are <18
[12:32] <awilkins> Snap in the bottle, machine fills it and applies a new sealed cap
[12:33] <BigRedS> no, you want to sell it to minors, you just want to claim it was unknowingly
[12:33] <awilkins> Cap has an RFID tag with the product it was filled with in it
[12:33] <awilkins> Till scans cap, shopper pays for content
[12:34] <BigRedS> seems more reliable to get the guy to pay before filling - maybe sell rfid-containing bottles?
[12:34] <awilkins> Maybe an RFID identifying it's volume
[12:34] <awilkins> But don't need it for product code if you're paying for a fillup
[12:35] <awilkins> RFID says volume, chemical compatibility, etc
[12:36] <awilkins> I can imagine they don't want to do it really
[12:36] <awilkins> How can you sell poncy mineral water when you reinforce that you're just filling the bottle from a tap...
[12:40] <BigRedS> this is for selling spirits isn't it?
[12:46] <diddledan> you don't need rfid at all - just a barcode will do it - which means you don't need to retool your checkouts
[12:47] <diddledan> think about the method they use at the deli counter or the in-store bakery counter
[12:47] <ali1234> this idea won't work
[12:47] <ali1234> i can easily remove the top and substitute my own
[12:47] <diddledan> ali1234: that's why you don't put it on the top
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> or program a phone with rfid to pretend to be something else
[12:48] <ali1234> 2 litres of vodka with the top from 2 litres of water
[13:10] <ali1234> if i have write access to someone else's calendar (like a shared calendar) and i create an event and set an email reminder, who gets the email?
[13:11] <ali1234> er... on google calendars
[13:11] <diddledan> whoever you set as invites?
[13:11] <ali1234> i didn't set any
[13:11] <diddledan> then nobody
[13:11] <diddledan> oh reminder
[13:11] <ali1234> well, that's not true if i make events on my own calendar
[13:11] <diddledan> ignore me
[13:11] <diddledan> I would expect that you would get it because you created it but I can't be certain
[13:12] <ali1234> i would like both myself and the calendar owner account to get it
[13:14] <ali1234> i guess i'll just make a test event
[13:17] <ali1234> ah, it is configurable
[13:17] <knightwise> hey ali1234
[13:17] <ali1234> hi
[13:25] <ali1234> okay the answer is that everyone has an independentset of reminders
[13:26] <ali1234> so if you set a reminder - anywhere - only you get it
[13:29] <ali1234> which is reasonable i guess
[13:44] <foobarry> decided to get rid of the desktop pc at home
[13:44] <foobarry> just taking up space
[13:45] <foobarry> rsync -av /home/ /usbdisk/
[13:45] <popey> gonna plug one of the chromecasts into my desktop monitor so I can watch films without the noise of the desktop pc on
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> replace it with rasp pi :-)
[13:46] <foobarry> i realised i don't know enough youtube channels for my interests
[13:47] <popey> i keep getting a backlog of YT things to watch
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> i visit yt once a day, maybe
[13:47] <ali1234> i only watch youtube now
[13:48] <ali1234> not TV
[13:48] <ali1234> i only found out the new series of doctor who starts tomorrow when i saw a youtube ad for it this morning
[13:48] <popey> http://coljones.itch.io/slightlymagic looks fun
[13:49] <popey> love that speccy style
[13:52] <foobarry> baby wants to drag the zimmerframe thing and the scooter along, and having a strop :S
[13:52] <foobarry> you can't sit and stand
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> did you not see the new revolutionary invisible chair?
[13:55] <popey> i was just looking at that
[13:55] <popey> aside from them all having sun glasses on, and the woman operating machinery without tying her hair up... the one thing that got me was the very last sentence in the video
[13:55] <popey> They used the word "Chairolution"
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> makes you want to punch a marketeer, doesn't it?
[13:58] <shauno> I do find it funny that people that sit down for a living are going nuts over standing desks etc.  and people who stand for a living are looking for ways to sit down.  and they both cite ergonomics, health, posture, etc
[13:59] <popey> that odd chair is half way
[13:59] <popey> not sitting, not standing
[13:59] <popey> so winner for everyone
[13:59] <diddledan> shauno: linus apparently prefers walking
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> then you need a nightwatchmans chair.  one legged chair meant for night watchmen in victorian times iirc
[14:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's so that when the watchman falls asleep he falls off the chair and furtively looks around to be sure the burglers can't see what he just did
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> it is hard to sleep on one, but not impossible
[14:02] <diddledan> you see, if the burglers can't see the watchman then all is fine in the world and nobody gets upset about a robbery in progress
[14:04] <diddledan> kinda like the Traal
[14:05] <foobarry> invisible chair is a real thing?
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> they're testing it in europe at a few companies seemingly
[14:06] <diddledan> sorry, traal is where it's from - I mean the "bugblatter beast of traal"
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> sorry for daily mail link.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730442/Fancy-sit-The-invisible-chairless-chair-lets-relax-anywhere.html
[14:07] <diddledan> which, it is said, is such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you always have a towel
[14:08] <diddledan> bingo
[14:08] <foobarry> daily mail seem to be the only paper who report on certain interesting stories
[14:08] <diddledan> foobarry: that's shocking
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> some good odd tech stories come from there but you have to sort the wheat from the chaff
[14:08] <diddledan> foobarry: the daily mail as a source for news?!
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> a sign of the end times
[14:11] <foobarry> also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699935/Artist-work-adorned-Airfix-model-aeroplane-boxes-puts-original-sketches-sale.html
[14:11] <foobarry> i was reading this today. no other paper covered it
[14:11] <foobarry> there's a way to get the print version that doesn't have the sidebar of shame, but i forgot how
[14:11] <foobarry> roy cross is one of my favourite artists
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> it's a uniquelly british item
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> i think i read that though somewhere else a while back...
[14:32] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/version22design/geco-hub-stop-losing-in-style
[14:36] <Myrtti> oo, looks nifty
[14:54] <popey> gosh that does look neat
[14:58] <foobarry> my employer should buy me one if they want a tidy desk
[14:59] <zmoylan-pi> a bugger to clean? and not compatible with cats
[15:02] <diddledan> lol @ kitty claw getting stuck
[15:03] <zmoylan-pi> ever see what happens a millisecond after a cat thinks it's trapped? :-)
[15:03] <zmoylan-pi> but thinking of someone sticking a phone with power cable plugged into low power socket trailing out of it
[15:05] <zmoylan-pi> but it looks like a towel rack we had in 70s which was a series of rubber tubes with an x in the top which you pushed stuff into
[15:18] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: love those towel thingies
[15:19] <diddledan> they remind me of being young
[15:19] <arsen> i used ot get my fingers trapped in those when i was a kid
[15:20] <zmoylan-pi> hah, they still make them http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0081TB4R0?*Version*=1&*entries*=0
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> they lost their grip after a while
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> you wouldn't want smartphone to slip out
[15:25] <foobarry> they remind me of goatse
[15:25] <foobarry> :$
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like the blood content in your alcohol stream is too high
[15:26] <arsen> seem to remember them being used for teatowels
[15:27] <arsen> even says it in the title. /me goes back to the darkness
[15:27] <foobarry> looking for a respirator, does anyone use one for painting?
[15:36] <bigcalm> Chrome Cast for £18 on pcworld.co.uk? Time to by 2
[15:36] <bigcalm> Oh, before I buy, are they any good?
[15:39] <bigcalm> Oh £18 on Amazon as well
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> don't work yet in firefox, do they?
[15:44] <Myrtti> I've basically bought four of them
[15:44] <shauno> a respirator sounds like overkill?  vapour mask for spray-painting, dust mask for everything else
[15:45] <foobarry> yeah, a mask
[15:45] <foobarry> looking at 3M 6000 series and 4251
[15:46] <foobarry> 4251 cannot replace filters, 6000 is same price but filter are not included
[15:49] <popey> bigcalm: and tesco apparently
[15:49] <bigcalm> Are they worth buying though?
[15:49] <popey> i bought two
[15:49] <popey> so now i have 3
[15:49] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:50] <bigcalm> I haven't read up on them. Can you install apps like Spotify?
[15:50] <bigcalm> Or is it just a streaming device?
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> at least with rasp pis you can do a lot of other neat stuff
[15:51] <diddledan> bigcalm: you control it from your phone - it has no control inbuilt
[15:51] <diddledan> or tablet*
[15:52] <diddledan> so they will only work with tablet/phone apps that have the functionality
[15:52] <diddledan> e.g. netflix
[15:52] <bigcalm> Ah, I see
[15:52] <bigcalm> Youtube and iplayer I hope
[15:53] <diddledan> you open an app on your phone/tablet, and prod the "cast" button at which point it'll link up with your cc and stream from either internet->phone->cc or internet->cc(direct)
[15:54] <bigcalm> Funky
[15:54] <diddledan> I believe some apps support going direct others need the phone/tablet to proxy but either way they require a compatible phone/tablet to control them with
[15:54] <diddledan> I _think_ some desktop things work with it too (chrome, obv, but others like netflix in random browser)
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> just seems a little not-so-big-brother to me
[15:55] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: is not-so-big better or worse in your opinion than big?
[15:56] <zmoylan-pi> equally bad as big brother can watch that info. seems silly but irks me
[15:56] <diddledan> not-so-big suggests to me that they aren't watching so intently
[15:56] <Myrtti> this tiny rant has nothing to do right now with anyone present or active in this channel, but oh dear $deity I hate away nicknames. That is all, thanks, baaaiii
[15:58] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I agree. They aren't needed. Every IRC client I've used tells me if a user is away or not. If not, I can find their idle time. Grr indeed!
[15:58]  * zmoylan-pi is guilty of using |away nick, sorry
[16:01] <popey> i use it on the internal work irc only when I go on holiday ☻
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> but there are some wacky old irc clients still in use
[17:37] <switchtehbeat> where's the cheapest place in the UK to buy 8gb of RAM?
[17:37] <switchtehbeat> amazon?
[17:37] <switchtehbeat> ebay?
[17:37] <switchtehbeat> ??
[17:37] <switchtehbeat> :D
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> out of shady bobs van in back alley behind abbatoir, arrive at 0300 alone, bring cash :-p
[17:41] <davmor2> back of an abattoir hey that sounds like a plan
[17:41] <switchtehbeat> lmao
[17:42] <davmor2> switchtehbeat: try looking on those sites it'll tell you pretty soon which is cheaper ;)
[17:46] <switchtehbeat> lol
[17:46] <switchtehbeat> :P
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> you'd be amazed how many stories start with an ad on craigslist about meeting up in alley behind bars there are
[17:49] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you should stop writing those you know
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> shhh, i'm arranging to meetup to 'buy' a rolex :-p
[18:01] <diddledan> joy: https://mig5.net/content/awesome-screenshot-and-niki-bot
[18:02] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I tried to arrange to meetup to 'buy' some adult entertainment. but she was a he.
[18:03] <diddledan> again it involved a dingy alley, unconsciousness, police charges, and the shame of admitting what happened to the family
[18:04] <diddledan> bah @ forgetting the oxford comma
[18:04] <diddledan> what happened, to the family***
[18:07] <diddledan> is it hometime yet?
[18:07] <foobarry> diddledan: true story?
[18:08] <diddledan> maybe ;-)
[18:10] <diddledan> it's annoying that itunes on os x (and probably windas, but I don't use it there) doesn't let me store "music" in the music folder and "ios apps" somewhere more appropriate than the music folder and "videos" in the "videos" folder
[18:11] <diddledan> instead it just lumps everything in the music folder
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> makes you wonder if a lot of such crimes are unreported as they would all start with admission of been a complete muppet to turn up at location in first place
[18:14] <shauno> diddledan, I just don't sync my phone to itunes :)
[18:14] <diddledan> shauno: how's that work out for you?
[18:14] <shauno> fine?
[18:15] <diddledan> my moosic is done via match now I guess so the apps I suppose I could delete and not sync
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> i just drag and drop music to micro-sd card for phone
[18:23] <mapps> where would wifi issues be logged to?
[18:23] <mapps> my pi wifi seems to die when i connect to the vpn
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> raspian?
[18:23] <mapps> yes sir
[18:23] <mapps> and pptpd
[18:24] <diddledan> mapps: is it the wifi disconnecting or is it that the route is saying push everything through the tunnel oh wait now I'm routing the tunnel through the tunnel
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> seems for some there is a wifi drop problem http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8267/wifi-connection-lost-after-about-12-hours
[18:25] <diddledan> hint: routing tunnel through itself won't work
[18:25] <mapps> diddledan,  i mean connecting to a vpn running on the pi from anither device
[18:25] <mapps> it seems to kill the wifi
[18:29] <diddledan> I'm not sure I can diagnose without observing - if the wireless really is dying then it might be talked about in dmesg or /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages (whichever of those two happen to be present)
[18:30] <mapps> ok
[18:30] <mapps> lets see
[18:31] <mapps> its up atm
[18:33] <mapps> http://paste.debian.net/116964/
[18:33] <mapps> http://paste.debian.net/116965/
[18:33] <mapps> now when i connect it will die i think..il try connecting
[18:35] <mapps> and the wireless is dead now :Z
[18:37] <mapps> hmm
[18:37] <mapps> whole thing died had to reboot
[20:07] <ali1234> wordpress spammers trying a new trick. instead of generic "wow i like your website" comments, they're complaining about spelling mistakes.
[20:07] <foobarry> heh
[20:08] <foobarry> i tried reading some articles on the independent.co.uk news site today and they were chock full of spam
[20:08] <foobarry> nobody clearing them or moderating, really poor
[20:09] <ali1234> newspaper website comments are the worst
[20:10] <ali1234> people complain about how biased comments are on sites like reddit and slashdot
[20:10] <ali1234> but any news website is far worse
[20:12] <foobarry> i imagine slashdot as one single aspie guy i know writing all the comments. helps me to put /. comments in perspective
[20:12] <ali1234> slashdot is full of pseudo-libertarians too now
[20:13] <foobarry> why does packing for 1-day away take as long as 1 week away
[20:13] <ali1234> because you take less you have to be more discriminating
[20:14] <diddledan> what's an aspie guy?
[20:15] <foobarry> someone on the autistic spectrum
[20:16] <foobarry> i seem to know rather a lot
[20:16] <foobarry> but we work in IT
[20:18] <foobarry> i think i'm packing for all seasons
[21:58] <mapps> hm
[21:58] <mapps> cnt figure out this pi wifi disconnect
[22:03] <shauno> is the wifi powered from the pi?  are you just hitting a power limit when you throw something computationally expensive at it?
[22:06] <ali1234> isn't the pi notorious for these problems?
[22:06] <mapps> not sure
[22:06] <mapps> but everytime i try to connect to the vpn on it
[22:06] <mapps> wifi dies
[22:06] <mapps> :D
[22:06] <ali1234> (it is)
[22:06] <directhex> the usb stack is garbage on the pi. don't know about wifi
[22:07] <ali1234> wifi is plugged into USB so.........
[22:07] <directhex> i discovered you can make a pi unresponsive and useless by plugging a gaming mouse into it
[22:07] <directhex> or gaming keyboard
[22:07] <ali1234> wow. any idea why?
[22:07] <ali1234> or did you just throw it aside in disgust? :)
[22:08] <directhex> yeah. gaming peripherals do 1000Hz USB signalling by default, which the pi totally chokes on. 125Hz is the USB standard default.
[22:08] <ali1234> ah, i see
[22:09] <directhex> the pi has no IO capabilities - they ripped out the IO coprocessor from the SOC to add the ARMv6 coprocessor. so all IO (e.g. interrupt handling) is done in software by the ARM
[22:15] <mapps> hm
[22:26] <diddledan> random
[22:26] <diddledan> email: "Hi Daniel Llewellyn ! I'm a dev on Ubuntu Touch for Mototola Moto G [XDA link]. One of my followers suggest me to add me build to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Work_in_progress and he said me that I need to contact you."
[22:27] <diddledan> I wonder why I was suggested?
[22:29] <shauno> bottom of the page; Touch/Devices (last edited 2014-07-04 09:52:47 by diddledan)
[22:29] <ali1234> that will be it then
[22:29] <diddledan> heh
[22:29] <diddledan> typical
[22:29] <diddledan> my own fault for being helpful :-p
[22:30] <ali1234> maybe someone told him to email daniel holbach, and he just assumed diddledan was the same person?
[22:31] <shauno> but then used his full name in the email
[22:31] <ali1234> oh yeah. that won't be it then
[22:31] <shauno> although they don't sound like a native-speaker, so they might not be aware that that collection of L's is a name
[22:31] <ali1234> "Hi Daniel Llewellyn" sounds like something someone chinese would write
[22:32] <shauno> heh, I noticed "suggest me" and "said me"
[22:32] <diddledan> the japanese have fun getting L confused with R when trying to pronounce llewellyn
[22:32] <ali1234> "Hi" = informal, then using the full name. unusual for anyone european or american
[22:33] <shauno> meh, I can only pronounce it because of that decorator dude that was all-over british TV 10-15 years ago
[22:33] <diddledan> lol
[22:33] <diddledan> ol lawrence
[22:33] <diddledan> of the double-barrel brigade
[22:34] <directhex> funnily enough, i was re-watching The League of Gentlemen recently, and he cameos in it
[22:36] <OERIAS> aur repository is down ;(
[22:36] <diddledan> OERIAS: welcome to #ubuntu
[22:36] <OERIAS> hey.
[22:36] <diddledan> -uk
[22:36] <diddledan> meh, I can't be ironic
[22:36] <OERIAS> How's is everybody>
[22:37] <diddledan> don't you hate when you can't take the micky without getting it wrong?
[22:40] <diddledan> shauno: offtopic, but are you on yosemite yet?
[22:40] <diddledan> shauno: I was wondering if anyone else is having problems with adobe flash plugins since upgrading
[22:41] <diddledan> it seems to completely nuke my googley chrome on some sites such as cnet (yeah, I know!)
[22:41] <diddledan> other example I've just hit is forum.xda-developers.com
[22:42] <shauno> I haven't noticed anything flash-related
[22:42] <shauno> on the last release safari kept on forgetting what tabs were, which was awkward
[22:42] <diddledan> lol
[22:42] <diddledan> oops
[22:43] <shauno> (it was behaving like tabs were working as normal, except there was no tab bar and I couldn't switch between them)
[22:43] <diddledan> if you're using safari then maybe it's just a googley chrome issue
[22:43]  * diddledan googleys shauno 
[22:43] <diddledan> :-p
[22:44] <shauno> heh, I don't use chrome much
[22:44] <diddledan> I find chrome the easiest to use for development
[22:44] <diddledan> so I tend to stick to it for everything else too
[22:44] <shauno> it's ugly, it's slow, and it doesn't play well with others.  and I don't like google.
[22:46]  * hamitron just hates the internet
[22:48] <diddledan> hamitron: in soviet russia internet hates the you
[22:48] <hamitron> yay ;/
[22:48] <diddledan> :-p
[22:49] <hamitron> all my troubles are user caused
[22:49] <hamitron> (too many open tabs)
[22:49] <diddledan> hamitron: the internet isn't _that_ bad. I mean apart from craigslist's adult section
[22:49] <hamitron> so shouldn't complain
[22:49] <diddledan> and 4chan
[22:49] <diddledan> and shauno
[22:49] <hamitron> hehe
[22:50] <hamitron> chrome is only ugly because of some of that adult section....
[22:50] <diddledan> but on the plus side, midgets and kitties
[22:50] <hamitron> well, firefox taking 9-10GB ram is just rude
[22:50] <diddledan> yeouch
[22:51] <diddledan> that's more rams than I own
[22:51] <hamitron> and no amount of cute kitties will change my mind on that
[22:51] <hamitron> I upgraded, thinking.... "bring it on"
[22:51] <diddledan> hah!
[22:51] <diddledan> I need moar
[22:51] <hamitron> yeh
[22:52] <diddledan> I might have to upgrade my work laptop and start using that
[22:52] <hamitron> I have tried to tackle the problem now though
[22:52] <diddledan> this macbook pro retina can't be upgraded :-(
[22:52] <hamitron> and using an addon that lets you unload tabs, without closing them
[22:52] <shauno> just close them.  free yourself from the kleptomania
[22:53] <hamitron> tried that option once since I got it, and a couple of clicks saved 7GB RAM
[22:53] <hamitron> I am working on it :)
[22:53] <shauno> I currently have 3 tabs open.  and I'll close them all before bed.
[22:53] <hamitron> I got 200-300
[22:54] <hamitron> :/
[22:54] <hamitron> actually, maybe 300+ now
[22:54] <shauno> well, on the plus side, you're making me feel normal :)
[22:54] <hamitron> hehe
[22:54] <hamitron> most of them are things I am considering buying
[22:54] <hamitron> downloads to download
[22:54] <hamitron> or guides to something I want to read
[22:55] <diddledan> 300?!
[22:55] <diddledan> holy shotguns!
[22:55] <hamitron> linux has multiple desktops for a reason? ;)
[22:55] <hamitron> added with my 3 monitors
[22:55] <hamitron> feels like information overload sometimes
[22:56] <diddledan> so 30 per screen per workspace?
[22:56] <hamitron> I got 27 desktops
[22:56] <hamitron> not all used though
[22:56] <hamitron> erm
[22:56] <diddledan> how on earth do you keep track of all that?!
[22:57] <hamitron> well, you know how you start with 4.... get in the habit of placing certain things at different locations
[22:57] <hamitron> you kinda expand on that over the years
[22:57] <hamitron> and I have my system
[22:57] <hamitron> ;)
[22:57] <diddledan> I tend to get lost
[22:58] <hamitron> personal stuff on the left monitor
[22:58] <hamitron> entertainment on the centre one
[22:58] <diddledan> like handle and gertle get lost in the woods looking for sweet houses
[22:58] <hamitron> tech on the right
[22:59] <hamitron> well
[22:59] <hamitron> I wouldn't advise anyone does what I do
[22:59] <hamitron> working on reducing it :)