[00:01] <Ali_M_Ahmed> hello guys... Can you please tell me how to change time in Ubuntu's Terminal ?
[00:03] <kz_> eeee, yeah but if i make it executable straight away i just need to double click on all of them?
[00:03] <theadmin> Ali_M_Ahmed: sudo date monthdayhourminute
[00:03] <eeee> kz_: no, you'd have to run it from a terminal
[00:03] <OerHeks> I would set time in bios
[00:03] <exarkun> I connected paired with and connected to my bluetooth keyboard.  Now how do I make it so I can actually send keystrokes that X will notice?
[00:04] <kz_> hmm
[00:04] <eeee> kz_: don't know if that's possible
[00:04] <kz_> well
[00:04] <kz_> im just trying to do things like run install.sh on these wireless drivers i have because they drop out
[00:06] <eeee> kz_: you actually can, nautilus > preferences > behavior > run executables when opened
[00:07] <twm> Where are the Upstart logs hiding in Trusty?  When you start something it showed up in /var/log/syslog in Precise, but I'm tailing half of the logs in /var/log and can't find where that output goes now.
[00:11] <rypervenche> kz_: I wouldn't run a shell script from a GUI. If it has any output or needs input, it won't work properly just by double-clicking on it.
[00:13] <kz_> ah ok
[00:14] <kz_> is there a way to check if all my drivers are up to date? my computer starts to run slow after a while, usually after playing countrer strike a few times over the day
[00:14] <kz_> and my internet cuts out every now and again without disconnecting
[00:21] <samthewildone> Finally I repaired my ubuntu.
[00:21]  * samthewildone learns never to mess with compiz
[00:22] <netlar> Hi all
[00:22] <expunge> hi just netlar
[00:23] <netlar> expunge: good, ha ha
[00:23] <expunge> yes, 'ha'
[00:39] <anarkhos> hi
[00:39] <daftykins> hello
[00:40] <PinnVodka> talk dirty 2 me
[00:40] <daftykins> PinnVodka: i want you to tell me all about what's broken with your penguin
[00:40] <daftykins> then we're gonna fix it.
[00:40] <PinnVodka> wtf?
[00:41] <eeee> lol
[00:41] <daftykins> hi! this is the #ubuntu support channel.
[00:41] <Fall> hahahaha
[00:41] <expunge> PinnVodka: pornview
[00:41] <Marreta> hello
[00:41] <expunge> hi Mar
[00:42] <Marreta> where are you from expunge?
[00:42] <daftykins> Marreta: support questions only please
[00:43] <OerHeks> if you download ubuntu now, you don' t need a serialnumber :-P
[00:43] <exarkun> I connected paired with and connected to my bluetooth keyboard.  Now how do I make it so I can actually send keystrokes that X will notice?
[00:46] <cris> hi
[00:47] <anarkhos> "echo core/processors/devices > /sys/power/pm_test" gives me "echo: write error: invalid argument" - why?
[00:48] <OerHeks> !info xdotools
[00:48] <OerHeks> hmm
[00:49] <OerHeks> !xdotool
[00:54] <hmuller> greetings from the east coast, north america!
[00:55] <SchrodingersScat> hmuller: not according to TSA, do you have a #ubuntu question?
[00:55] <expunge> hmuller: greetings from der west
[00:55] <expunge> OerHeks: =)
[00:56] <hmuller> yes, asus-touchpad.sh is no longer around, being handled by the desktop
[00:56] <hmuller> according to changelog, but what is the  'desktop' in this context?
[00:57] <hmuller> previously I patched asus-touchpad.sh  so I could toggle the touchpad on my ul30vt
[01:01] <hmuller> no one familiar with the changes in acpi-support? no martin pitt lurking?
[01:03] <neldogz> My daily cron job doesnt seem to run on ubuntu 14.01. I have it set to 9pm EST time: 0 21	* * *	root	test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
[01:03] <neldogz> is there something extra i need to do?
[01:04] <TJ-> neldogz: What does the "||" do?
[01:04] <hmuller> if previous fails, do this
[01:05] <neldogz> thats specified by default in crontab, it runs anacron i guess and everything under /etc/cron.daily which is where my script is located
[01:06] <FireBeyond> 14.04... grub always requires me to hit enter to select the default boot image, no errors or such, but i can't reboot unattended... what can i change to go into the default?
[01:06] <sander^home> After I closed brasero burning program, then i'm getting: eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device.. The burner still runs loudly. And I cant eject the cdrom. i'm on 14.04
[01:06] <sander^home> I closed it when it was burning.
[01:06] <daftykins> sander^home: reboot? :)
[01:07] <eeee> neldogz: check /var/log/syslog
[01:07] <sander^home> daftykins, I have so much stuff open, I dont want to do that now.
[01:07] <daftykins> sander^home: ah, do it when you can then.
[01:07] <sander^home> daftykins, is there no way of just getting the noise away?
[01:08] <sander^home> plug out the cable?
[01:08] <neldogz> eeee, it looks like it ran
[01:08] <cccccccccccccccc> hey
[01:08] <neldogz> Aug 21 21:00:01 computername CRON[3805]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ))
[01:08] <daftykins> sander^home: if you're willing to do that, sure, but that's not an ubuntu question
[01:08] <expunge> cccccccccccccccc: ohai
[01:08] <neldogz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/337204/cron-daily-jobs-not-running this article suggests to remove any extension from the script
[01:08] <neldogz> i am going to try this and reschedule the job in a few minutes
[01:09] <sander^home> daftykins, anyway.. there is a bug here.. defenitely. It shouldnt be impossible to eject the cdrom.
[01:09] <daftykins> sander^home: closing a program in progress without a warning dialogue is a bit odd
[01:09] <daftykins> sander^home: very strong user error with that one though - if you'll forgive my saying so :)
[01:10] <hmuller> ubuntu question: asus-touchpdad.sh has been removed from acpi-support, "Handled by desktop" can anyone elaborate on what "Handled by desktop" means?
[01:10] <sander^home> daftykins, i'm fine with a wrongly burned cd.. but i'm not fine with a reboot.
[01:10] <hmuller> asus-touchpad.sh
[01:10] <daftykins> sander^home: i take it you looked at the processes list
[01:11] <jhutchins> hmuller: That suggests that the touchpad can be managed by the incorporated tools in the desktop and xorg.
[01:11] <neldogz> ok so that article didnt help
[01:12] <hmuller> jhutchins: know what tools those might be? I used to patch asus-touchpad.sh to get the special keys to toggle the touchpad to work
[01:12] <neldogz> i can see my cron script here: run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily
[01:12] <sander^home> daftykins, yes.. no obvious processes there.
[01:12] <neldogz> but it doesn't run
[01:12] <eeee> neldogz: is it set +x ?
[01:13] <neldogz> yes it sure is
[01:13] <neldogz> eeee, -rwx--x--x 1 root root   959 Aug 20 23:50
[01:14] <jhutchins> hmuller: No specific knowledge, just interpreting devspeak.
[01:14] <neldogz> so i removed the extension, i can see it in the run-parts --test command...just the script doesnt execute
[01:14] <neldogz> its actually a simple script just a few rsync lines
[01:14] <neldogz> rsync one-liners i should say
[01:14] <jhutchins> netlar: can you execute the script?
[01:14] <sander^home> daftykins, I plugged out the power of the cdrom.. now it works again.. phuh..
[01:15] <TJ-> neldogz: It's the shell logical OR operator, so the complete line is saying "if /usr/sbin/anacron is executable do nothing, else do (cd / && run-parts ...) ... if you've got anancron installed, those lines will do nothing... you need to edit "/etc/anacrontab" instead
[01:17] <hmuller> jhutchins: thanks, looks like I have to conduct a little ubuntu development archeology
[01:18] <expunge> anacron's neat
[01:18] <da_> hi
[01:18] <neldogz> TJ-, /etc/anacrontab is setup as follows: 1       5       cron.daily      run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[01:18] <maven> hida
[01:19] <maven> noda
[01:19] <expunge> hi da
[01:19] <maven> dagone :(
[01:19] <neldogz> TJ-, doesnt that mean that it will run every day 5 minutes after anacron is called?
[01:21] <TJ-> neldogz: yeah, <period> <delay> ...
[01:21] <TJ-> neldogz: And anacron is started by cron via /etc/cron.d/anacron with "30 7 *** ...."
[01:21] <TJ-> neldogz: It's a mess, isn't it!?!
[01:22] <neldogz> TJ-, that makes scheduling jobs unecessarily complex
[01:22] <TJ-> neldogz: is this a 24/7 running system?
[01:22] <neldogz> TJ-, its my desktop so its on most of the day .. just trying to get a few backups before i shut it off late at night
[01:22] <TJ-> neldogz: the point of anacron was to ensure jobs get run on desktop systems that are shutdown frequently
[01:23] <neldogz> TJ-, so does this mean that my script wont run until 7:30am
[01:24] <neldogz> TJ-, actually i take that back.. it means that anacron wont run until 7:30.. but then my job wont run until 9pm
[01:24] <neldogz> TJ-, does that sound right?
[01:25] <TJ-> neldogz: it looks that way; I have to say it takes some reading through the obfuscation
[01:25] <eeee> neldogz: you could add it to root's crontab, sudo -i then crontab -e
[01:26] <neldogz> can i just change the time anacron run?
[01:26] <TJ-> neldogz: if you want cron to handle the daily jobs you could simply edit /etc/crontab and change the command to lose the "test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || " part :) I'd be tempted to rip out anacron myself, purely for the frustration it causes :)
[01:27] <TJ-> neldogz: Yes, that can  be done too, but remember that anacron runs in the background as a service
[01:27] <neldogz> TJ-, thanks that makes sense. I am going to do a little more reading on both to see if i can understand it a little better
[01:27] <TJ-> neldogz: I find it is running right now on mine, so I don't know whether you want to rely on an offset from when it might have started
[01:29] <kokeboy1> hello
[01:29] <expunge> ohio
[01:29] <wheatthin> eurika?  :P  jk.. have a problem kokeboy1
[01:30] <kokeboy1> yes, i want to add a latin server in hexchat but i dont know how...
[01:32] <expunge> kokeboy1: /help connect
[01:32] <expunge> kokeboy1: or hit CTRL+s
[01:32] <expunge> or ask #hexchat
[01:36] <bitchyguy> your OS is slow
[01:36] <bitchyguy> *ubuntu
[01:36] <bitchyguy> and shitty
[01:37] <DebSys> ok
[01:41] <bitchyguy> lol
[01:45] <JacobGuy7801> Ham62, don't post the Win98 scrot
[01:46] <neldogz> TJ-, i've been reading this: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/automate-linux-cron-and-anacron
[01:46] <neldogz> guys is it correct to state that scheduled cron jobs in Ubuntu by default are not possible due to anacron? And apparently anacron only runs on bootup?
[01:50] <neldogz> so i guess the best thing to do is to setup a user cronjob that does not reference anacron?
[01:53] <OerHeks> neldogz, yes
[01:53] <expunge> yes, there's really no need to reference the cron executable
[01:53] <OerHeks>  will run regardless of whether the user is actually logged into the system. There is also a root crontab for tasks requiring administrative privileges.
[01:53] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[01:53] <OerHeks> Each user has a crontab file
[01:54] <neldogz> OerHeks, thank you
[01:54] <OerHeks> have fun
[01:57] <MH> I would like to know if this is an IRC for new users support?
[01:57] <expunge> MH: of Ubuntu, yessir
[01:57] <OerHeks> MH sure
[01:57] <MH> cool
[01:57] <MH> I'm currently testing it without install
[01:57] <MH> but will install it in few minutes
[01:58] <MH> just have a quick question
[01:58] <daftykins> ask it then
[01:58] <MH> I currently have W8
[01:58] <MH> and some valuable files on it
[01:58] <expunge> yup
[01:58] <daftykins> backup.
[01:58] <daftykins> no matter what.
[01:59] <MH> is there any way to install keeping  the files but erasing W8?
[01:59] <expunge> MH: there's a way to install so it doesn't boot Windows
[01:59] <expunge> and in fact, that would be the default course the installer takes
[01:59] <expunge> you can then delete Windows system files at your leisure
[01:59] <MH> awesome
[01:59] <neldogz> OerHeks, my cronjob still doesnt run eventhough i created a user cronjob
[02:00] <expunge> the first option from the installer will be to 'install alongside' or something like that
[02:00] <expunge> probably want to do that, you can do whatever you want with the Windows side later on
[02:00] <eeee> neldogz: what was the command in crontab -e
[02:00] <TJ-> MH: before you wipe out Windows 8, consider that some system update tools may require Windows, such as firmware update tools
[02:00] <eeee> neldogz: check /var/log/syslog to see if it ran
[02:01] <neldogz> 59 21    * * *   user1 run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily/MIR   MIR is the name of my script file
[02:01] <OerHeks> neldogz, most likely no newline after editting ..
[02:01] <OerHeks> " When adding a new entry to a blank crontab, forgetting to add a newline at the end is a common source for the job not running. If the last line in the crontab does not end with a newline, no errors will be reported at edit or runtime, but that line will never run. "
[02:02] <neldogz> OerHeks, thanks, made the change and updated the time, waiting to see if it will run
[02:03] <MH> I will try to install Ubuntu keeping W8 just in case
[02:04] <eeee> neldogz: that won't work
[02:04] <MH> but the plan is to start in the Linux world and leave MS back
[02:04] <eeee> run-parts is used to run all files in a directory
[02:05] <neldogz> eeee, i just realized that too and pulled that out
[02:05] <Cibero> hi
[02:05] <MH> cibero: Hi there
[02:06] <Cibero> as command photos in chat
[02:06] <neldogz> eeee, this is what i have now and it still doesnt run:         05 22    * * *   user1   /etc/cron.daily/MIR
[02:07] <wafflejock> MH: yeah you can use clonezilla bootable CD to take an image of your entire disk and restore it if need be, it's a nice solution for a full backup that's relatively easy to restore (good if you have eSATA or USB, or across an Ethernet network since over wifi the full backup can take a very long time)
[02:07] <eeee> neldogz: MIR is owned by user1 ?
[02:07] <neldogz> correction it runs but the script doesn't execute: Aug 21 22:05:01 computer1 CRON[12325]: (user1) CMD (user1   /etc/cron.daily/MIR)
[02:07] <neldogz> checkign
[02:07] <Cibero> as photos are sent in chat
[02:07] <eeee> ( or executable by all )
[02:07] <neldogz> eeee, its owned by root but executable by all
[02:08] <neldogz> -rwx--x--x 1 root root   959 Aug 20 23:50 MIR
[02:08] <eeee> ok, if you run the script in a terminal what do you get?
[02:08] <neldogz> trying that now
[02:08] <Cibero> I get letters saying something I have a picture
[02:08] <neldogz> permission denied
[02:09] <expunge> if your Windows install came with a rescue partition, it's usually enough to save that and the partitino layout, and the boot area if there is one
[02:09] <Cibero> I get black letters
[02:09] <neldogz> eeee, i guess i have to own it
[02:09] <eeee> neldogz: what does the script do?
[02:09] <eeee> does it require privileges?
[02:09] <expunge> and if you wanted to be ultra hardcore for some reason, you can usually do firmware updates from live DOS environments
[02:09] <anarkhos> would it cause problems if i unloaded the intel gma 500 graphics driver for testing purposes, if im working in command-line mode only?
[02:09] <Cibero> when I start live cd
[02:09] <expunge> anarkhos: probably not
[02:09] <neldogz> just a bunch of rsync stuff.. does not require special permissions
[02:09] <expunge> anarkhos: is your text quite large?
[02:09] <Cibero> please help
[02:09] <anarkhos> or would it resort to some basic, emergency graphics solution?
[02:10] <expunge> anarkhos: sometimes "outside of X" is still using graphics
[02:10] <anarkhos> not really large
[02:10] <anarkhos> im wondering whether the gma driver causes suspend-resume problems
[02:11] <Cibero> as I can send a photo so you can see my mistake
[02:11] <neldogz> eeee, ok i an the owner of the file.. updated the time in the user cron job
[02:11] <neldogz> this is what i am running: 12 22    * * *   user1   /etc/cron.daily/MIR
[02:11] <anarkhos> expunge: how likely do you think that is?
[02:12] <Cibero> ... thx for help
[02:12] <expunge> anarkhos: if your text is very large, it is unlikely
[02:12] <anarkhos> it's not very large
[02:12] <expunge> anarkhos: if it is small and you can see many many words per line, it's probably still using a high level graphics driver
[02:12] <eeee> neldogz: you don't need to specify the user if you're using the user's cron
[02:12] <expunge> anarkhos: I doubt anything truly bad would happen if you unloaded it, though
[02:12] <wafflejock> anarkhos: sounds more like an ACPI issue than graphics related
[02:13] <neldogz> yeah but the file is located in cron.daily
[02:13] <eeee> neldogz: 12 22    * * *   /etc/cron.daily/MIR
[02:13] <anarkhos> wafflejock: yeah there are acpi messages in dmesg, related to POWER BUTTON++
[02:13] <wafflejock> Cibero: not clear what you're trying to (which chat client)
[02:14] <anarkhos> wafflejock, expunge: and this problem is exhausting me
[02:14] <eeee> neldogz: s/you dont need/you shouldn't/
[02:14] <fanyujiao> hello everybody
[02:14] <wafflejock> anarkhos: believe for suspend you need to have as much swap space as you have RAM is that true right now?
[02:14] <anarkhos> if i learned that it is actually not solvable, that would be ok
[02:14] <oem> hi
[02:14] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:15] <anarkhos> ffor suspend too? not only hibernation?
[02:15] <eeee> wafflejock: yeah, and abit more
[02:15] <anarkhos> because i have no swap
[02:15] <Cibero> wafflejock
[02:15] <Cibero>  kiwi irc
[02:15] <eeee> anarkhos: only hibernation
[02:15] <wafflejock> yeah wasn't sure
[02:15] <anarkhos> right
[02:16] <wafflejock> anarkhos: yeah dunno I don't have a problem with sleep mode currently but I also rarely use it you can try shutting down/suspending from the command line and see if you get any more info about what's failing
[02:16] <Cibero> wafflejock as I can send a photo so you can see my mistake
[02:16] <anarkhos> it suspends like in windows. it's the resume that doesn't work. i have to disconnect power, battery
[02:17] <anarkhos> ive tried from command-line, same problem
[02:17] <wafflejock> anarkhos: k
[02:17] <wafflejock> anarkhos: can you pastebin the part of dmesg that has ACPI related issues mentioned
[02:18] <anarkhos> wafflejock: will you be around tomorrow?
[02:18] <wafflejock> anarkhos: yeah probably
[02:18] <wafflejock> anarkhos: I'm usually in the angularjs chat but I hop in here every once in a while
[02:18] <anarkhos> ok then ill try to show you
[02:19] <Picky1004> i have an problem with LINUX
[02:19] <wafflejock> Cibero: you can give it a shot I'm in Quassel IRC though and honestly don't think I've seen any media options in IRC aside from auto-loading URLs on hover in Quassel
[02:19] <Picky1004> it no work
[02:20] <Picky1004> it LINUX dont work i have it on an surface pro
[02:20] <Picky1004> WHY ARENT YOU HELPING ME YOU HATE ME
[02:20] <Picky1004> i have an LINUX it no work
[02:21] <OerHeks> ubuntu on a surface pro 1 ?
[02:21] <wafflejock> !details | Picky1004
[02:21] <Picky1004> how do i make an linux work
[02:21] <Ham62> wow, no wonder this chat caused my other system to crash...
[02:21] <neurosis> if it no work run win
[02:21] <Picky1004> i have an linux it boots up and it no work it says kernil oooops
[02:22] <neldogz> eeee, still not working
[02:22] <Picky1004> an system error
[02:22] <neldogz> eeee, i moved the script out of cron.daily into my home directory
[02:22] <eeee> neldogz: is it running from the terminal>
[02:22] <eeee> *?
[02:22] <neldogz> updated the user cron to reflect 23 22    * * *   user1 /home/user1/Desktop/MIR/MIR.sh
[02:23] <eeee> neldogz: you aren't supposed to put "user1" there
[02:23] <neldogz> eeee, i got a permissions denied when i tried to run from the terminal and then it actually ran
[02:23] <Picky1004> an LINUX FUCKED ME WY DO YOU HATE ME XDXDXDXD
[02:23] <eeee> you're running the command "user1 ...."
[02:23] <fanyujiao> 0
[02:23] <expunge> Picky1004: weeee
[02:23] <OerHeks> !language | Picky1004
[02:23] <neldogz> eeee, take out the user completely?
[02:23] <eeee> neldogz: yes
[02:24] <neldogz> ok this is what i have now
[02:24] <neldogz> 25 22    * * *   /home/user1/Desktop/MIR/MIR.sh
[02:24] <neldogz> for the love of god if this doesnt work....
[02:25] <Picky1004> I AM AN POLITE BUT A LINUX SYSTEM ERROR AND RAPED ME YOUR LIKE VORTEX I WILL HURT KILL YOU REAL LIFE
[02:25] <sar4j> Hi All, I am unable to upgrade from 12.04 to 14
[02:25] <sar4j> http://pastebin.com/NxY7QfZD
[02:25] <sar4j> Error -- The following packages have unmet dependencies:  linux-headers-generic-lts-raring : Depends: linux-headers-3.8.0-41-generic but it is not installed
[02:26] <neldogz> eeee, it doesnt work
[02:26] <eeee> ok,
[02:26] <daftykins> raring's kernel is EOL :>
[02:26] <eeee> is it running? check /var/log/syslog
[02:26] <neldogz> i can see it kicking off in /var/log/syslog
[02:26] <neldogz> but no errors.. nothing
[02:26] <Picky1004> I AM FUCKED RAPE BY XDXD AN LINUX SYSTEM ERROR I WILL KELL ALL OF YOU TROLL
[02:26] <Picky1004> MAD BRO
[02:27] <neldogz> Aug 21 22:25:01 computer1 CRON[14129]: (user1) CMD (/home/user1/Desktop/MIR/MIR.sh)
[02:27] <daftykins> sar4j: is that your running kernel?
[02:27] <daftykins> sar4j: actually no it can't be, remove linux-headers-generic-lts-raring
[02:27] <eeee> neldogz: try /home.../script >> ~/scriptlog 2>&1
[02:27] <eeee> that will send the output of the command to scriptlog
[02:28] <sar4j> daftykins: tried that too
[02:28] <daftykins> sar4j: what was the output?
[02:29] <sar4j> http://pastebin.com/kzBXRtsK
[02:29] <wafflejock> !ops | Picky1004
[02:30] <daftykins> sar4j: run "dpkg -r linux-headers-generic-lts-raring"
[02:30] <neldogz> eeee, i found the problem
[02:31] <neldogz> when i moved it from cron.daily it stripped the execute permission
[02:31] <neldogz> when i added it back now it works
[02:31] <neldogz> so my user cron looks like this
[02:31] <sar4j> daftykins: done., it says removed, but still same error on dist-upgrade.. pastebinning
[02:31] <neldogz> 30 22    * * *   /home/user1/Desktop/MIR/MIR.sh
[02:31] <eeee> cool
[02:32] <neldogz> i didn't have to touch anacron.. or the systemcron
[02:32] <xjkx> Just found an old, Palm Os thing that I owned, I'd like the notes inside it, googling I found some methods with gnome-pilot, but this command no longer works, how should I do ? [ubuntu 14.04]
[02:32] <sar4j> http://pastebin.com/hTYqmkxv
[02:32] <neldogz> damn what a super PITA lol
[02:32] <neldogz> eeee, thanks for your help
[02:32] <eeee> np
[02:33] <daftykins> sar4j: ah it's trying to update to the wrong OS then. try "do-release-upgrade -p"
[02:33] <neldogz> definitely learned a few things today about cron and anacron thanks to you guys
[02:34] <expunge> anacron is the lady cron, right? =)
[02:35] <sar4j> daftykins: something screwed up, http://pastebin.com/gC3FJLSD its a cycle
[02:36] <daftykins> sar4j: "apt-get -f install" as it suggests?
[02:39] <sar4j> daftykins: its going somewhere .. installing linux-headers-3.8.0-44 and some other pks
[02:39] <Ham62> hi
[02:39] <Ham62> damn, that was allot of users
[02:40] <Ham62> I need help with setting up my Ubuntu server
[02:40] <sar4j> daftykins: and here I thought -f was prompting me to install with force ;_
[02:40] <daftykins> ;)
[02:40] <Fall> use the forks, luke.
[02:40] <daftykins> sar4j: it's basically "finish what you were doing"
[02:40] <sar4j> ah..
[02:40] <daftykins> Ham62: #ubuntu-server is for you then
[02:41] <Ham62> ok
[02:41] <Ham62> thanks
[02:41] <sar4j> daftykins: darn.. : No space left on device
[02:42] <daftykins> sar4j: to be honest are you absolutely sure you *need* to be running 14.04 ?
[02:42] <Sacrelicious> hey question for you all,, after switching to ubuntu my laptop is shockingly quiet, audio wise, is there a way to boost the audio output?
[02:42] <sar4j> daftykins: i guess I will go fix this some other way.. thanks for getting me this far..
[02:43] <daftykins> sar4j: no problem, good luck. likely you have lots of old kernels in /boot
[02:43] <sar4j> nah, i was getting that error when I was trying to install ddclient
[02:43] <sar4j> i thought may take time and fix the whole os
[02:43] <sar4j> but looks like i have more to do
[02:43] <expunge> Sacrelicious: http://askubuntu.com/questions/219739/adjust-max-possible-volume-in-pulseaudio
[02:44] <sar4j> How safely make room in /boot?
[02:44] <Sacrelicious> expunge: i'm a linux noob... how do i get to that control setting?
[02:44] <sar4j> i see /dev/sda1                         233191  219302      1448 100% /boot
[02:45] <expunge> sar4j: with gparted, from a live OS
[02:45] <expunge> sar4j: but it's not 100% safe, it's more like 90%
[02:46] <daftykins> sar4j: can you do a "df -h" to pastebin?
[02:46] <expunge> sar4j: you could also tell /etc/fstab that /boot is not separate, and copy /boot's contents to /boot on /, and potentially reinstall GRUB =P
[02:46] <expunge> or you could, yeah, remove some cruft from boot
[02:46] <daftykins> pretty sure he's got bigger issues
[02:49] <sar4j> daftykins : pfft.. this is not my day http://pastebin.com/ARdDedTb
[02:49] <daftykins> sar4j: uname -r ?
[02:49] <daftykins> (paste it here, it's one line)
[02:49] <sar4j> 3.8.0-39-generic
[02:50] <anarkhos> when i create a xorg.conf which contents should entail that the vesa driver is loaded, but the gma500 driver nonetheless is loaded upon reboot, what's going on? why isn't the vesa driver loaded?
[02:51] <anarkhos> lspci -v suggests that gma500 still is the kernel driver
[02:51] <daftykins> sar4j: ok "dpkg -r linux-image-3.8.0-29-generic linux-image-3.8.0-33-generic linux-image-3.8.0-34-generic linux-image-3.8.0-35-generic linux-image-3.8.0-36-generic linux-image-3.8.0-37-generic linux-image-3.8.0-38-generic"
[02:52] <Bashing-om> sar4j: When you are done add your voice to the bug report :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 .Boot created in LVM too small .
[02:53] <sar4j> Bashing-om: sure
[02:53] <Bashing-om> sar4j: :)
[02:56] <anarkhos> is it hazardous to blacklist the gma500 driver? id like to test the xorg.conf solution
[02:56] <anarkhos> with vesa config
[02:57] <daftykins> try it, if it fails, undo it
[02:57] <daftykins> simples.
[02:57] <anarkhos> as long as i will be able to
[02:57] <anarkhos> that i get a screen at all
[02:59] <krismatrix> What is the difference between Stop, End and Kill process in linux sytem monitor?
[03:00] <eskp> why does 14.04 have 3.13 as the latest stable kernel when 12.04 has 3.2?
[03:01] <TJ-> eskp: Because 3.13 was the latest stable kernel when 14.04 went into feature freeze
[03:02] <TJ-> eskp: The "." is not a decimal point, it is a major.minor version separator
[03:03] <eskp> TJ-: ok that makes sense, thanks!
[03:05] <watanabematsui> test
[03:05] <anarkhos> success
[03:07] <sar4j> daftykins : that cleaned up a lot
[03:07] <sar4j> now use only 23M
[03:07] <wafflejock> krismatrix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1840329
[03:08] <daftykins> sar4j: cool, back to "apt-get -f install" now :)
[03:08] <sar4j> apt-get -f is getting linux-image-3.8.0-44-generic_3.8.0-44, and it is 50M - bigger?
[03:11] <daftykins> sar4j: it's definitely not doing what you want it to be doing
[03:11] <daftykins> sar4j: i expect you are running the raring HWE on 12.04
[03:12] <sar4j> daftykins: I have no idea i ever installed / upgraded this machine
[03:12] <sar4j> *kernels on this machine
[03:13] <daftykins> sar4j: is it an important system? much data?
[03:13] <sar4j> it is a home server, not much data.. data is one a external hdd/mount
[03:13] <sar4j> i actually run inside virtualbox
[03:13] <daftykins> probably be easier to just nuke it
[03:13] <TJ-> sar4j: see the tool "hwe-support-status" tool info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL
[03:15] <krismatrix> Thanks wafflejock
[03:15] <krismatrix> so...is there some problem with using kill?
[03:16] <wafflejock> krismatrix: it's better to just end it if possible so it can close down and properly end any file writing it's doing
[03:17] <wafflejock> krismatrix: but if that doesn't work you can kill/terminate it
[03:17] <Deep6> can  anyone help me fix this error?
[03:17] <wafflejock> krismatrix: it's not typically a big problem
[03:17] <Deep6> Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
[03:17] <Deep6> ssh related
[03:18] <Deep6> I've tried googling and the ssh-add solution didn't wokr
[03:18] <Deep6> er work
[03:18] <sar4j> TJ- : thats helpful. thanks a bunch. Now I see what is going on.
[03:19] <daftykins> sar4j: honestly, if you're dealing with a VM, i'd just create a new one, migrate the data then turn off this one. life's too short
[03:19] <krismatrix> ok...that is good to know. Thanks.
[03:19] <wafflejock> Deep6: haven't seen anything about this but can you describe the scenario in more detail is it just as soon as you try to establish a connection using SSH connection you get this message?
[03:19] <wafflejock> krismatrix: np
[03:20] <sar4j> daftykins: spoke my mind! cheers mate.. I guess, I will just do a clean install.. weekend project ;)
[03:20] <sar4j> Thanks a lot all, i guess I should hangout here more often.. cool channel!!
[03:21] <wafflejock> sar4j: yeah minus an occasional troll it's a good channel
[03:21] <expunge> but not a mint condition one =P
[03:21] <Deep6> wafflejock: I have created an aws instance, and added another user, created an ssh key pair for myself
[03:22] <Deep6> and have moved that to the authorized_keys file with the correct perms,
[03:22] <wafflejock> Deep6: you modify the security/firewall rules in AWS too
[03:22] <Deep6> tried to ssh with the id_rsa file as my identifier
[03:22] <Deep6> ssh is answering it's not a connectivity error
[03:23] <TJ-> Deep6: "ssh -vvv ..." will give you extensive connection debug information
[03:24] <Deep6> TJ-: already done
[03:24] <TJ-> Deep6: what's it failing on?
[03:24] <wafflejock> Deep6: can you pastebinit
[03:26] <Deep6> http://pastebin.com/z660Xhes
[03:26] <Deep6> that's a snippet
[03:26] <Deep6> not the whole output, but enough to see the error
[03:30] <Deep6> I unset SSH_SOCK and it worked
[03:34] <ubunt> i need mount a image mdf mds i put in terminal sudo mount -o loop=/dev/loop0 /media/aukun/magatzem/Descargas/FAULT.mdf /media/virtual
[03:34] <ubunt> but giveme error
[03:35] <daftykins> with an MDF and MDS pairing, one is the volume and one is metadata, are you picking the larger?
[03:35] <daftykins> ubunt: ^
[03:35] <daftykins> sleeping now, bye
[03:36] <ubunt> yes the larger
[03:36] <expunge> ubunt: just -o loop should suffice
[03:36] <zipc> when i do $ echo 'testbase64' | base64  i get dGVzdGJhc2U2NAo=  as result... but when i use online base64 encoders i get different value.  Why is that?
[03:36] <expunge> ubunt: what error?
[03:36] <rasheed> exquisite
[03:36] <expunge> zipc: what value do you get?
[03:36] <ubunt> only read
[03:36] <daftykins> zipc: remove the quotes? :>
[03:36] <ubunt> write protect
[03:36] <rasheed> i have problems with my google chrome on ubuntu 14.04
[03:37] <expunge> ubunt: that isn't necessarily a show stopper
[03:37] <expunge> ubunt: you weren't planning on writing to the mount anyways, were you?
[03:37] <expunge> rasheed: yes?
[03:37] <rasheed> can anyone help
[03:37] <rasheed> it wont uninstall
[03:37] <expunge> zipc: and why does it matter if you have 'base64' locally? =)
[03:37] <ubunt> yes only read
[03:37] <zipc> daftykins: online encoders, i get  dGVzdGJhc2U2NA==    removing the quotes are the same
[03:37] <rasheed> neither will it open fully
[03:37] <expunge> ubunt: so no problem at all, don't you think? =)
[03:37] <daftykins> zipc: oh well i have to go
[03:37] <expunge> zipc: link?
[03:38] <zipc> expunge: http://www.base64encode.org/   string is testbase64
[03:38] <ubunt> yes but where is the mount image?
[03:39] <expunge> zipc: not sure, but I'd take GNU's base64 as the standard
[03:39] <expunge> ubunt: /media/virtual
[03:39] <ubunt> no is there
[03:40] <SchrodingersScat> zipc: the newline
[03:40] <ubunt> in media virtual nothing files
[03:40] <expunge> yeah the newline =)
[03:40] <expunge> zipc: try echo -n
[03:42] <leotr> hi
[03:43] <zipc> SchrodingersScat: like echo 'testbase64-n' | base64  ?
[03:43] <leotr> i want to install minimal amount of packages to run qt5 application
[03:43] <SchrodingersScat> zipc: echo -n "testbase64" | base64
[03:43] <leotr> i have Xorg, what qt5 packages do i need to install?
[03:44] <expunge> leotr: if it's truly a qt5 app, it should dep the right packages in on its own
[03:44] <leotr> expunge: i build it myself
[03:44] <SchrodingersScat> zipc: the -n tells echo not to add a newline, which is normally cleaner for your terminal, etc, but in this case it was giving base64 the extra data
[03:45] <expunge> zipc: by default echo send a newline at the end, so you get a prompt back cleanly
[03:45] <expunge> awe beaten again =P
[03:45] <zipc> SchrodingersScat: nice catch. that explains it
[03:45] <zipc> expunge: i never knew echo sends a newline..
[03:46] <jackhum> what is the best proxy appliation available for ubuntu , i want a program just like proxifier , i want to setup a proxy of HTTPS protocol
[03:46] <expunge> zipc: try just running 'echo -n foo'
[03:46] <expunge> zipc: you'll get your prompt back, but it will be right after 'foo'
[03:47] <expunge> zipc: this is also why text files typically end with a final newline
[03:47] <Sunstream> I need to know the best place to learn to become a power user of Ubuntu, what forums do anyone suggests, and which are good additional repositories should I add? (Privmesg/Query it to me)
[03:47] <expunge> Sunstream: simpler to learn one thing at a time
[03:47] <expunge> Sunstream: pick something you want to do, figure it out
[03:48] <jackhum> anyone can tell me how to setup HTTPS proxy in ubuntu?
[03:48] <Sunstream> Hmm.
[03:48] <xangua> Sunstream: you can find the links to forum, launchpad, askbuntu, etc in ubuntu.com itself
[03:48] <Psil0Cybin> i am going to be trying to upgrade another laptop to 14.04 (head ache) what is the command to properly rsync my home dir to my memory stick with a dry run?
[03:49] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: rsync -n -av ~/ /mnt/memstick/
[03:49] <SchrodingersScat> !info tinyproxy | jackhum, this is one of probably many, it was a very short config file.  but define best, because that could be defined in many attributes..
[03:49] <mathsebiann> Hello
[03:49] <Sunstream> Okay I will have to google those to find those sites.
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> thank you and after expunge i would remove the -n to remove dry run after it looks good?
[03:50] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: or perhaps more clearly, rsync -av ~/ /mnt/memstick/ --dry-run
[03:50] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: yes exactly
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> thanks :D
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> you rock man
[03:50] <mathsebiann> Any person able to explain how can I resize a the System Partition?
[03:50] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: nou
[03:50] <expunge> mathsebiann: resize what now?
[03:50] <mathsebiann> I just installed Ubuntu
[03:51] <mathsebiann> and then I saw there was another partition of 377GB and I would like to unify that partition with the current 137GB partition that has ubuntu installed int
[03:52] <SchrodingersScat> !gparted | mathsebiann
[03:52] <Beldar> mathsebiann, Needs to be done from the live boot, boot that and come back to the channel.
[03:52] <expunge> mathsebiann: is this a dual boot?
[03:52] <jackhum> what should i add in conf file . usually in proxifier server address is my IP , port is 3128 and protocol is HTTPS
[03:53] <Sunstream> I got a couple of e-books from "Kindle Unlimited" Named: "Managing the Ubuntu Software System by Keir Thomas" and "Working At The Ubuntu Command-line Prompt by the same writer" Both are easy to understand for the newer user (Not being overly technical) and it actually gave me a huge encouragement to learn Ubuntu
[03:54] <mathsebiann> Thanks!
[03:55] <SchrodingersScat> jackhum: really best if you just read /etc/tinyproxy.conf and set it up how you like, the port is toward the top though, then you probably need to set the authorized IPs, etc.
[03:55] <botnut> greetings
[03:55] <expunge> Sunstream: Keir is an interesting name
[03:56] <Sunstream> Nods he writes good books its not too technical it actually taught me some things I did not know about Ubu.
[03:56] <Sunstream> Keir Thomas wrote a few Linux Nitty Gritty books
[03:58] <Beldar> Sunstream, This is #ubuntu-offtopic stuff not support.
[03:59] <sydney> sunHey,your back :)
[03:59] <sydney> Sunstream: Hey,your back :)
[04:02] <mathsebiann> expunge: it was a Windows partition
[04:02] <Sunstream> Hey hey
[04:02] <Gaming4JC> Hey guys, I'm probably missing something obvious... but... how do you set screensavers in the latest LTS?
[04:02] <Sunstream> Wow, SSO is not free?
[04:03] <Gaming4JC> apparently gnome-screensaver no longer has any screensavers
[04:03] <Gaming4JC> super dumb
[04:03] <Gaming4JC> :(
[04:03] <Gaming4JC> so I installed xscreensaver and it works ok but gnome-screensaver still runs at boot so xscreensaver isn't default
[04:03] <Gaming4JC> *confused*
[04:03] <expunge> SSO?
[04:04] <expunge> mathsebiann: so you aren't dual booting
[04:04] <mathsebiann> expunge: not anymore
[04:05] <expunge> righto
[04:05] <mathsebiann> I see in gparted that the partition i want to join to the ubuntu system partition is the first in the Hard Drive allocation
[04:06] <mathsebiann> If I want to resize the partition i cannot do that with previous free space (make sense?)
[04:06] <Beldar> mathsebiann, Take a screen shot and post it in a imagebin.
[04:06] <Sunstream> Ubuntu 1 oh it says free and paid services in terms
[04:07] <Gaming4JC> aha
[04:07] <Gaming4JC> http://www.n00bsonubuntu.net/content/install-xscreensaver-ubuntu-14-04/
[04:07] <Gaming4JC> thanks :p
[04:07] <expunge> Sunstream: ubuntu 1 is gone IIRC
[04:07] <Beldar> mathsebiann, Are you on a live boot or the install?
[04:09] <maherrera89_> ?
[04:09] <kostkon> expunge, only the cloud file service
[04:09] <maherrera89_> I have take the screenshot, but how do I post it in the imagebin?
[04:10] <Beldar> !imagebin | maherrera89
[04:10] <Sunstream> well when I went to ubuntuforums.org it uses SSO
[04:11] <maherrera89_> uploading, thanks ubottu
[04:11] <Beldar> Sunstream, Would you take this chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:11] <expunge> SSO?
[04:12] <kostkon> expunge, ubuntu single sign on
[04:12] <Beldar> expunge, Would you join Sunstream at #ubuntu-offtopic please
[04:12] <Sunstream> Yeah SSO Single Sign On
[04:12] <expunge> oh yeah....
[04:12] <expunge> Beldar: nah
[04:12] <Sunstream> I will go to off topic
[04:12] <Beldar> thank you
[04:12] <Sunstream> my appoligies its been time since I been here I forget about that heh Sorry Beldar
[04:13] <maherrera89_> ubottu, expunge: here is the image
[04:13] <maherrera89_> http://imgur.com/8dwJpxT
[04:14] <Beldar> maherrera89_, So your end goal is ubuntu on the whole HD? NOte we preface with nicks here.
[04:15] <maherrera89_> Beldar: yes, thats the objective
[04:15] <tortib> Hello is anyone familiar with SNMP?  I'm having a problem when I walk the OID .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.1.6 it's only showing 1 process instead of the maximum amount of loaded processes on the system.
[04:15] <expunge> what I'd do is delete the ntfs, apply, then right click on the extended and see what it says about enlarging
[04:16] <Sunstream> Sydney can you join me in off topic or priv message?
[04:16] <Beldar> maherrera89_, Delete sda1 than resize the extended sda3 that resize the sda5, run all independently in that order.
[04:16] <apb1963>  i'm still having problems connecting over wireless.  At the moment, I'm using wicd.  It seems to get stuck on "Verifying AP association...".   Without wicd I can get the connection up and ping the Net - but if I take eth0 down, my wireless goes away too.  wicd is the only way I can bring eth0 back (which is the main reason I'm using it).
[04:16] <Beldar> maherrera89_,YOu have to unmount all the partitions however.
[04:17] <Beldar> maherrera89_, You, you need to be on a live ubuntu.
[04:17] <apb1963> Been working on this for two days solid and don't seem to be getting anywhere.
[04:18] <maherrera89_> Beldar: What do you mean with a live ubuntu?
[04:18] <maherrera89_> non booted from the HDD?
[04:18] <Beldar> maherrera89_, The ubuntu install boot a live boot from it's desktop using gparted.
[04:18] <maherrera89_> Got It
[04:18] <maherrera89_> thanks
[04:19] <Beldar> maherrera89_> non booted from the HDD? Yes, you jave to have all the partitions unmounted.
[04:19] <Beldar> have*
[04:20] <maherrera89_> Ok
[04:20] <maherrera89_> Beldar_, will reboot my PC and start from a live version, thanks for help me out... one quick question, would that action erase all my current docs in the Ubuntu partition?
[04:21] <expunge> maherrera89_: it shouldn't, but there's no guarantee, unless you have a backup
[04:21] <rasheed_> google chrome crashes whenever i open it on ubuntu 14.04 and cant be removed from my system either, so what can i do really?
[04:21] <rasheed_> looking out for ur assistance
[04:22] <maherrera89_> expunge_, I have one, no problem... thanks!
[04:22] <Beldar> maherrera89_, Theoretically no, but always be prepared for that with backups. YOU may loose the boot however by resizing it, which is an easy fix from the live
[04:22] <NaStYdoG> hey there, I just installed Dropbox from software center but it's been half an hour that is "applying changes". Is that normal?
[04:22] <Psil0Cybin> guys having a problem i n12.04, complete freezes when working in android studio, and using firefox on a 8gb ram machine , causing corrupt projects, things i am working for a long time :P lol my question is i can not even move the mouse or keyboard, it is a complete freeze
[04:23] <expunge> NaStYdoG: can't imagine it is
[04:23] <Psil0Cybin> i really really do not want to format but i guess i may need too...correct?
[04:23] <_shrine> yoo
[04:23] <_shrine> I'm bored and I want to write some ruby scripts to do silly things
[04:23] <_shrine> any ideas?
[04:23] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: corrupt in what way?
[04:23] <expunge> _shrine: install ruby
[04:23] <expunge> _shrine: then /join #ruby
[04:23] <Psil0Cybin> well if u cold reboot when working on an android studio project
[04:24] <Psil0Cybin> it erases all ur files
[04:24] <Psil0Cybin> and ur project wont run
[04:24] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: that doesn't sound particularly abnormal...
[04:24] <wlemuel> rageberry have you ever tried "apt-get remove google-chrome*" to remove it?
[04:24] <Psil0Cybin> and i lost everything pretty much, but my case is that i stay in my laptop for 45 or more working on 2 more things without my computer completely freezing keyboard and all
[04:25] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: well that's what saving is for
[04:25] <wlemuel> rasheed_ have you ever tried "apt-get remove google-chrome*" to remove it?
[04:26] <Beldar> wlemuel, They are gone.
[04:26] <Psil0Cybin> expunge, i can only save so much
[04:26] <Psil0Cybin> i was in the middle of compressing a file, saving it! and it crashed
[04:26] <Psil0Cybin> my system
[04:26] <Beldar> wlemuel, remove leaves configs
[04:27] <Psil0Cybin> and it never saved the .tar, and completely erased my project!
[04:27] <Psil0Cybin> what can someone suggest i have a lenovo and it randomly crashes, when using firefox and anynother application lets say
[04:27] <cfhowlett> NaStYdoG, kind of depends on your download speed but it does seem excessive.
[04:28] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: you can probably use more stable native tools for your development
[04:28] <expunge> Psil0Cybin: and do final end-run testing in the emulator/whatever
[04:28] <wlemuel> Beldar, with the command "apt-get purge", right?
[04:28] <Beldar> yes
[04:28] <expunge> for a more comprehensive approach, you could probably look into filesystem snapshots
[04:28] <Psil0Cybin> well its more of a ubuntu problem that it freezes not when using android studio but firefox and music playing or firefox and the terminal, and it isnt low on ram, memory tests said the computer is fine, the only thing that is wrong is the computer cold freezes
[04:28] <Psil0Cybin> no keys work no mouse
[04:29] <expunge> or regularly quasi-hibernation snapshots
[04:29] <NaStYdoG> well, If I close the software center and launch again it resumes installing
[04:29] <NaStYdoG> guess I will wait a little longer
[04:34] <Enissay> how to make tree command not to list some folders ? print just their names and not their content
[04:34] <Enissay> http://linux.die.net/man/1/tree
[04:35] <expunge> Enissay: -I
[04:36] <Enissay> Oh, I tried it, I tought it was a lowercase L xD
[04:36] <expunge> I think I'd just use 'find'
[04:36] <expunge> and | egrep -iv 'foo'
[04:38] <Enissay> expunge, but it skips the whole folder... I want it to print only the name not the content
[04:39] <expunge> Enissay: do what now?
[04:40] <Enissay> same question: How to print some folder's name and not it's content
[04:41] <Enissay> expunge, http://pastebin.com/xn3VVJnN
[04:42] <stiv2k_> is it possible to wake my computer up when someone sends a print job to the printer thats connected to it
[04:42] <Enissay> for example I want the full tree of this, excpet folder C, I want only the name, don't print the content
[04:42] <stiv2k_> ?
[04:42] <wafflejock> Enissay: perhaps you want sudo apt-get install tree
[04:42] <wafflejock> tree -d
[04:42] <wafflejock> prints only directories in a tree in the command prompt
[04:43] <Enissay> wafflejock, I'm already using tree xD
[04:44] <Enissay> again, I want to list all content of a folder (A in teh example) but some sub-folders, I only want it to output the name, NO content
[04:44] <Enissay> http://pastebin.com/xn3VVJnN
[04:44] <wafflejock> stiv2k_: don't think so you can wake on lan by sending a magic packet then tell it to print
[04:44] <wafflejock> Enissay: not even sub folders
[04:44] <Enissay> Sorry, If not clear xD
[04:44] <wafflejock> Enissay: so you want to control the depth it shows?
[04:45] <Beldar> NaStYdoG, What release is this? Is your net speed slow?
[04:45] <wafflejock> Enissay: the man page says -L limits the depth
[04:45] <Enissay> only for some folders I want it to print their name only
[04:45] <Enissay> For the rest of the subfolders I want everything
[04:45] <wafflejock> Enissay: check out, man tree, it's got all your options there
[04:46] <stiv2k_> wafflejock: why cant the magic packet be the print command
[04:46] <Enissay> I came from there when got stuck xD
[04:46] <expunge> 'cause print commands are print commands
[04:47] <wafflejock> stiv2k_: yeah different messages for different things
[04:47] <expunge> Enissay: you want the first level of dirs/files only?
[04:48] <expunge> but if you wanted to
[04:48] <wafflejock> tree -L 2 -d
[04:48] <expunge> you could make an executable on the remote computer that issues the print command
[04:48] <expunge> with the same name
[04:48] <expunge> and have it send a wakeup command and then the original print command
[04:51] <Enissay> expunge, I want everything EXCEPT for some folders, I want the first level only
[04:52] <expunge> Enissay: as wafflejock said, -L
[04:52] <expunge> but I'd use find A -maxdepth 1
[04:53] <wafflejock> yeah find should work too
[04:53] <wafflejock> find has tons of options I always have to use the man page on that one though
[04:53] <wafflejock> er bropages
[04:54] <Enissay> export, the -L is applied on all folders, I want it applied on SOME folders only
[04:55] <wafflejock> Enissay: I don't really see what problem you're trying to solve if you want to remove some parts from the output you can just pipe it to a file and edit it really, what's the goal?
[04:56] <Enissay> wafflejock, It's printed in the console in colors, and I do want to take a screenshot with colors lol
[04:57] <Enissay> or is there a way to send that back to the console after edits to print it with colors ?
[04:57] <Enissay> well, it would be great if there's a way :)
[04:57] <wafflejock> Enissay: don't think so really.... but seems like you'd want to output the data then use something else to make a nice visual of it though I'm not sure of anything off hand
[04:58] <Enissay> Well,it's okay, I just was asking in case someone knows a way :)
[04:59] <wafflejock> Enissay: actually there's some HTML output option
[04:59] <wafflejock> never tried it though
[04:59] <Enissay> hmm, good finding, it could be interesting indeed
[05:01] <expunge> you should really just use find
[05:01] <expunge> tree -n
[05:03] <wafflejock> ah yeah looks like the HTML output is a bit broken at least in what I just tried
[05:03] <wafflejock> doesn't add <br/> tags in all the right places
[05:03] <wafflejock> otherwise pretty cool
[05:03] <wafflejock> html output hacked in 1998 it says :P
[05:04] <Psil0Cybin> i have ubuntu 12.04 LTS kernel 3.2.0-67 ubuntu randomly crashes how can i test an upstream kernel
[05:04] <expunge> it would probably be awful if it were hacked this year, too
[05:04] <Psil0Cybin> or try a newer kernel version
[05:05] <wafflejock> expunge: possibly... this is something I could probably fix though honestly.... going to grab the source and check it out for giggles
[05:09] <wafflejock> 449 lines of C it doesn't look too crazy though some indentation problems
[05:09] <wafflejock> for the html.c part of tree source that is
[05:10] <expunge> of C? Sheesh
[05:10] <expunge> some people use C just 'cause they can =)
[05:10] <wafflejock> ah I like C, this is nostalgic :P
[05:10] <expunge> C is fine
[05:10] <expunge> but tree is not exactly rocket science
[05:10] <wafflejock> true
[05:12] <ztane> now this is interesting on 14.04. I have a process that if I do ps aux it hangs on pid 7238
[05:12] <ztane> so I go to /proc/7238
[05:12] <ztane> and try to find what is the exe but ls hangs...
[05:12] <Enissay> Perfect, that's what I needed
[05:13] <Enissay> thank you guys
[05:13] <Enissay> wafflejock, expunge  ^
[05:13] <wafflejock> Enissay: np glad that worked out good to learn something new myself too
[05:14] <Enissay> :)
[05:14] <expunge> Enissay: what'd you settle on?
[05:15] <ztane> I guess time to reboot computer, oh well
[05:15] <expunge> yeah 'bout time for my nightly nap
[05:16] <ztane> damnit
[05:16] <ztane> ofc reboot does not work anymore :D
[05:16] <ztane> must be the strangest linxu bug i've ever seen
[05:18] <ztane> damnit sync hangs
[05:18] <Enissay> oh, he left
[05:19] <Enissay> Anyway, I exported to html then edited it manually
[05:19] <Enissay> Also used -C to force colors
[05:19] <wafflejock> Enissay: you have the missing br problem too?
[05:19] <Enissay> No it look sfine
[05:19] <wafflejock> hmm k
[05:20] <ztane> hmm reboot -f does not work :D
[05:20] <Enissay> wafflejock, in chrome at least
[05:21] <wafflejock> Enissay: yeah just looks like it's a problem for the second level deep in chrome when I tried
[05:21] <wafflejock> tree -H testing -L 2 -d > testfile.html
[05:21] <ztane> hmm now how to make the reboot as safe as possible??
[05:21] <ztane> power reset
[05:21] <ztane> when can't run sync, reboot.. anything
[05:22] <wafflejock> ztane: think I've just used shutdown -r now
[05:22] <Enissay> wafflejock, I didnt had levels that deep in my case, when trid on my home, I see what you men
[05:22] <Enissay> mean*
[05:22] <wafflejock> ztane: looks like reboot just uses shutdown anyhow
[05:22] <wafflejock> Enissay: k cool good sanity check
[05:24] <ztane> wafflejock: nope, reboot -f -> no work... :D
[05:25] <wafflejock> ztane: what are you trying to reboot exactly?
[05:26] <ztane> my computer... this computer I am ircing on :D
[05:27] <ztane> or actually where I am sshoing from to the server running irssi
[05:27] <ztane> <- as you can see not yet successful
[05:27] <wafflejock> ztane: was curious if it was AWS or something since they have restart instance thing in the console
[05:28] <wafflejock> ztane: does it tell you it's going down for a reboot but nothing happens?
[05:32] <Ascavasaion> I read somewhere that the admin permissions (group) has been phased out, what is the new group used to give a normal user permissions to allow them to mount devices, open network manager, etc.?
[05:35] <ztane> wafflejock: yes ofc, I cannot do ps aux, bc it crashes at pid ~7235
[05:35] <ztane> and I cannot bring apache to down with service stop, I cannot run sync,
[05:35] <ztane> I cannot reboot by force, nothing :d
[05:36] <atlanx_> TJ- : Ok, i have the options in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidiabl.conf and restarted
[05:38] <Sunstream> Okay I feel dumb, I want to change my screen suspending time (where the monitor blanks) and rather not have to log in every time it times out, and I cannot remember how to do this in lubuntu
[05:39] <Sunstream> the screensaver settings I think
[05:40] <Sunstream> its called but I cannot find it
[05:40] <atlanx_> TJ- : but moving the brightness under 25% still deactivates the backlight complete
[05:44] <ztane> wafflejock: finally, I had to execute reboot syscall myself. though it wasnt what I wanted :P
[05:45] <wafflejock> ztane: so what did it exactly?
[05:45] <ztane> ah I thought I had chosen reboot, but it was just halt (not poweroff)
[05:45] <Ascavasaion> I read somewhere that the admin permissions (group) has been phased out, what is the new group used to give a normal user permissions to allow them to mount devices, open network manager, change keyboard language, etc.?
[05:46] <wafflejock> Sunstream: not sure about a GUI way some forum discussing the CLI way here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1957774
[05:47] <wafflejock> Sunstream: ah here's a GUI option too apparently http://chrisrogers.me.uk/blog/stop-lubuntu-turning-off-screen/
[05:47] <Sunstream> reading
[05:47] <wafflejock> xfce control though not sure about lxde based one never used lxde myself
[05:49] <Sunstream> I really do not get why I cannot control this ... I just want to disable it
[05:49] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219250
[05:49] <Sunstream> I understand the use of a screen saver in CRT days but who uses a CRT
[05:49] <wafflejock> Sunstream: maybe people using lubuntu :)
[05:50] <wafflejock> Sunstream: really though I use Gnome and they have a relatively fast goto lock screen time too but I don't mind it
[05:51] <Sunstream> Perhaps, but I do not want to go to a lock screen if I am the only one who access this computer
[05:51] <wafflejock> yeah actually just checked Gnome settings in the Brightness and Lock section you can adjust it
[05:51] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Thank you, I see I am already a member of sudo group.  I still do not know why I cannot do anything in my GUI :(
[05:51] <wafflejock> mine just locks after the screen is off so I just thought it was a lot when I'm on battery mode since it sleeps the screen pretty quick then
[05:52] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: I'm in sudo as well you don't get prompted for a password when you try to do these things? not sure about mount but pretty sure network manager bits I've only had various *buntu distros ask for my password
[05:52] <wafflejock> ?
[05:53] <Sunstream> Lightlocker?
[05:53] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: I cannot open them... network manager is greyed out, I cannot use Users and Groups, devices do not mount in the GUI filemanager either.
[05:54] <Sunstream> Okay I disabled light-loocker
[05:54] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: in Ubuntu Gnome at least I hit unlock in the users panel first then it asks for a password
[05:55] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Unlock is not even an option... I click any b uttons in Users and Groups and nothing happens.
[05:55] <Sunstream> Okay I disabled it lets see what happens after 10 minutes
[05:56] <sennn> hello
[05:58] <wafflejock> hello sennn
[05:58] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: not sure have you tried using gksudo to open the programs explicitly as root
[05:59] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: never seen that problem but haven't tried Unity in 14.04 myself yet
[06:00] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: gksudo users-admin open the Users and Groups application, but everything is greyed out and the mousepointer is the icon showing that it is busy.
[06:02] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: it prompt you for a password before opening at least?
[06:02] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Nope
[06:02] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: not sure sounds like something is borked with gksudo or something
[06:02] <wafflejock> suppose you can try to sudo apt-get install gksudo --reinstall
[06:02] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Yep, Ubuntu's upgrade programme is broken.
[06:03] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: yeah I did an upgrade with Kubuntu from 12.04 to 14.04 and mostly went okay but decided to give Gnome 14.04 a shot anyhow
[06:03] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: my server that has xubuntu on it went okay but I don't really use the GUI there, it could be headless I just like the GUI occassionally
[06:03] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Unable to locate package gksudo :(
[06:04] <wafflejock> oh maybe it's in another package
[06:04] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: hmm http://askubuntu.com/questions/290810/how-to-add-gksudo-or-what-to-use-instead-in-ubuntu-13-04
[06:04] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: looks like maybe in gksu but some talk of it being pulled in 13.04 in favor of just using sudo not sure about that
[06:05] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Each time I do someone on Ubuntu it stuffs up.
[06:05] <Ascavasaion> someone-something
[06:05] <Ascavasaion> hehehe
[06:06] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: http://askubuntu.com/questions/284306/why-is-gksu-no-longer-installed-by-default
[06:06] <wafflejock> yeah change can be painful
[06:06] <wafflejock> backups are good and clean installs are always easier
[06:06] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: sucks that Ubuntu's stuff is always breaking.
[06:06] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: it's not regularly breaking it's just at upgrade time
[06:06] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: I stick to LTS most of the time so I don't upgrade every 6 months
[06:07] <wafflejock> not sure but I feel like rolling release distros would be even scarier with regard to getting breaking changes
[06:07] <wafflejock> maybe not though since there's never a major jump
[06:08] <wafflejock> usually I wait like 4 months after an LTS then start trying it out
[06:08] <sennn> GCC is going to jump to 5.x,
[06:09] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: You know when you install Ubuntu the first time and it creates one user account?  How do I create one like that?
[06:10] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: yeah I'm not sure if you  can run that GUI wizard for adding an admin user after the installer
[06:11] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Sigh.
[06:11] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-and-delete-users-on-an-ubuntu-14-04-vps <-- this might help
[06:12] <TankC> Ascavasaion: "adduser <username>"
[06:12] <wafflejock> strangely though I'm not in the /etc/sudoers file nor am I in the "admin" group but I don't seem to experience the problem
[06:13] <TankC> And then afterwards, "usermod -a -G sudo <username>"
[06:13] <Ascavasaion> TankC: Adding the user is easy, but getting access to stuff is. :(
[06:13] <TankC> You need to add the newly created user to the sudo group
[06:13] <TankC> you can view their groups with "groups <username>"
[06:13] <wafflejock> TankC: yeah think Ascavasaion said they were already in sudo
[06:14] <wafflejock> groups with no arg shows current user groups too
[06:14] <Ascavasaion> Going to reboot.
[06:15] <ubunt> how to know that ram memory model in my pc?
[06:15] <wafflejock> the digital ocean write ups on Linux things are pretty nice
[06:15] <TankC> ubunt: Open your PC up and look
[06:15] <wafflejock> ubunt: sudo lshw
[06:16] <wafflejock> ubunt: look for the memory section
[06:16] <wafflejock> free -m will tell you in megs how much is used in general
[06:16] <wafflejock> but lshw gives lots of gory details on the hardware itself
[06:17] <TankC> Very cool.. I didn't realize it was possible to view RAM vendor info
[06:17] <wafflejock> yea tons of stuff in there
[06:18] <TankC> Although it looks like it lists the manufacturer of the semiconductor and not the actual vendor itself
[06:18] <wafflejock> yeah not sure what vendor actually packages/sells the RAM in my machine says it's Samsung stuff
[06:19] <wafflejock> don't think Samsung sells the whole chips though
[06:19] <SthNotTaken> Running Ubuntu12.04. PHP cannot write/upload file in folder because of permissions (I believe). I don't want to change permissions to 770, I'd rather change how PHP runs (perhaps groups?) so PHP can upload/write and read files. Is there a simpleton guide on how to do this?
[06:19] <wafflejock> not that I've seen
[06:19] <wafflejock> er the whole package rather
[06:19] <SthNotTaken> Samsung sells RAM
[06:21] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: ah wasn't aware of that, know my HDD is Samsung branded
[06:22] <SthNotTaken> I just broke my '5' key typing something to you. This is going to ruin my day.
[06:22] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: there's a write up with some people discussing it here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=910155
[06:22] <SthNotTaken> That on top of my existing permissions problem
[06:22] <SthNotTaken> Oh, this is perfect
[06:22] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: keyboard keys?
[06:22] <SthNotTaken> Now I just have one problem
[06:22] <SthNotTaken> Thanks wafflejock! (laptop keyboard)
[06:22] <wafflejock> I mean laptop keyboard rather
[06:22] <wafflejock> yeah
[06:22] <SthNotTaken> I jammed it back in, and now it's not even.
[06:23] <SthNotTaken> I'm an idiot
[06:23] <wafflejock> those used to bust on me all the time on the old dells
[06:23] <SthNotTaken> Now it's angled strangely.
[06:23] <wafflejock> I've got some high end keyboard now but pricey (Das Keyboard)
[06:23] <wafflejock> it's nice
[06:23] <SthNotTaken> DEFINE FIVE, 5
[06:23] <SthNotTaken> and I'm good to go
[06:23] <wafflejock> hehe
[06:27] <aeropause> Islam: The Religion Of Peace
[06:28] <ubunt> i put sudo dmidecode --type memory for know the model ram but don't is the name, how to?
[06:28] <SthNotTaken> in trying to fix it, now I seem to have lost completely '5' capability
[06:35] <sloof> So..building a vanilla kernel with a .config from 14.04.  Any reason why so much disk space is chewed during the build process? Like 15G
[06:37] <Yevgeny> What's the easiest way automatically login to a switch and send bunch of commands to it?
[06:37] <TankC> Yevgeny: over ssh?
[06:37] <sloof> Yevgeny: rancid?  or use expect directly
[06:38] <Loshki> sloof: No idea. But while it's running, do a sudo du -x | sort -rn > /tmp/du.out and see if you can see where the space is going.
[06:39] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: I think I figured out the problem... I changed from lxdm to gdm and everything seems okay now.
[06:41] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: ah nice
[06:41] <sloof> Looks like drivers/
[06:41] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Must say that it makes no sense to me though.
[06:41] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: well the *dm parts are for the login/lock screen don't now much about them aside from that though
[06:42] <wafflejock> Ascavasaion: lightdm kdm gdm etc.
[06:44] <helmut_> hi
[06:44] <Ascavasaion> wafflejock: Yep... weird.
[06:46] <wafflejock> sloof: you can check out ncdu as well it's nice for visualization the space used in some folder
[06:49] <wafflejock> sloof: just did some googling it looks like that's pretty typical size needed for building the kernel, never tried myself
[06:49] <SthNotTaken> This was suposed to be my php day, now it has turned into Ubuntu day.
[06:52] <sloof> wafflejock: ok then.  Last time I compiled a kernel was in 2004-2005.  I guess a lot has changed.  15G for a build seems like alot.
[06:53] <sloof> I haven't trimmed much ouch of the Ubuntu stock .config so almost every module is probably getting build.
[06:55] <Yevgeny> TankC: it's over ssh
[06:57] <Yevgeny> sloof: I tried expect but it's a bit confusing, do you know any easy guides?
[06:57] <wafflejock> sloof: yeah just opened some articles about it and says 30GB for some of the 2.6 builds
[06:57] <sloof> wafflejock: I remember building the 2.6 kernels.  COuldn't have been that much.  I don't think I have that much to spare back then
[06:58] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: bummer sometimes that happens I've got a webdev video I put together if you're interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNbsCTFrAA
[06:58] <TankC> Yevgeny: I'd probably use fabric (http://www.fabfile.org/)
[06:58] <sloof> Yevgeny: Try rancid
[06:58] <SthNotTaken> wish I saw this a long time ago, wafflejock
[06:59] <sloof> "2.1G    /lib/modules/3.14.17"  wut!
[06:59] <Yevgeny> sloof: I tried rancid also, but having alot of problems configuring cloginrc
[06:59] <Yevgeny> sloof: do you use it?
[06:59] <sloof> Yevgeny: What kind of switch?
[06:59] <SthNotTaken> I like how you actually have an index there. Very cool. You go over installing NodeJS? Nice content.
[06:59] <Yevgeny> sloof: Hp Procurve and Cisco different cisco switches
[06:59] <SthNotTaken> Ahh, you go over the entire environment. Everything to start up. That's very cool
[06:59] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: thanks yeah I only briefly touch on everything just getting it setup
[07:00] <SthNotTaken> It took me about 2 weeks to discover NetBeans... chasing commas/quotes wasn't fun.
[07:00] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: some peope complain about the length but I tried to cut it down as much as I could and like you said made a table of contents of sorts
[07:00] <sloof> Yevgeny: rancid is probably the way to go for the Ciscos.  I think there is some hp rancid tool but I've never used it
[07:01] <SthNotTaken> I stuck with whatever #DigitalOcean had. Somtimes had to guess. Sadly, I understand so little I have to write down everything I do incase I need to wipe, otherwise I'd be lost
[07:01] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: I only really use node for doing build tasks so far still using PHP/Apache for my backend stuff
[07:01] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: yeah I made this video in part to help myself too
[07:02] <akaul> not sure if it's the right forum.. but how do I enable ssh to have both authentication method password as well as public key
[07:02] <wafflejock> it's a guide for some of the stuff.... wish I had done one for postfix too but I'm still learning the ropes on that
[07:02] <SthNotTaken> wafflejock: Submit this to reddit.com/r/webdev or sth. The only reason I'm doing what I"m doing now is because I had some guides for this path, but I wish I could have taken others.
[07:02] <sloof> "Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.14.17 x86_64)"  <- nice
[07:02] <Beldar> SthNotTaken, We wish more here coming for help documented. ;)
[07:02] <wafflejock> SthNotTaken: if you don't mind go ahead and do it for me I don't reddit
[07:03] <wafflejock> from what I've seen of others on reddit it's another addiction I don't have time for :) so I've avoided it
[07:04] <SthNotTaken> Smart, but this is worth sharing
[07:04] <Yevgeny> sloof: I thought why use rancid or other program when I can just send a config file to the devices, the only problem is HOW to automatically login to the devices and send the file
[07:05] <Yevgeny> sloof: config file = a bunch of commands
[07:05] <sloof> I can't say for HP but you're best bet is to login and instruct the device to grab the config from TFTP
[07:06] <Yevgeny> sloof: okej, but I don't want to erase the old config file, just want send commands to backup the config
[07:06] <sloof> Also...I;ve been away from cisco for a while.  I don't know if you can send the file and then tell the Cisco to interpret the file in some way.  Juniper makes it easy.  SCP it.  "load file..."
[07:06] <sloof> RANCID then
[07:06] <sloof> It's what it was made for
[07:07] <Yevgeny> okej
[07:08] <Yevgeny> sloof: I haven't done anything like this before but I know how cisco works, if I do it manually then I just: ssh to the switch, type in username and pass, and then just type 'copy run start tftp:ip.adress' that's ALL I want to do pretty much but it has to be automatically
[07:09] <Yevgeny> TankC: have u used fabric urself?=)
[07:12] <Sunstream> yay i turned off the locker
[07:14] <wafflejock> Sunstream: nice what worked?
[07:15] <TJ-> Yevgeny: 'expect'
[07:15] <josmala_> Is there an easy way to create an "All work no play account" in ubuntu? I really could use the separation of play and work to different accounts.
[07:16] <wafflejock> josmala_: what do you mean by that exactly? what is play to you?
[07:16] <Sunstream> like you have that Gnome light lock wafflejock, in lubuntu it is called Light Locker Settings
[07:17] <wafflejock> Sunstream: ah cool so there was a LXDE GUI for it?
[07:17] <josmala_> I mean that I could simply have one account in which I can set what applications and what websites are blocked on other account.
[07:17] <Yevgeny> TJ: okej
[07:17] <bipul>  /join ##linux
[07:17] <Yevgeny> TJ-: Trying to understand expect =)
[07:18] <wafflejock> josmala_: not sure about that you could certainly modify the permissions for a user in terms of execution so other users can't run certain things but regarding the websites you might like this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stayfocusd/laankejkbhbdhmipfmgcngdelahlfoji?hl=en
[07:18] <Beldar> josmala_, All possible but a click and go gui is all.
[07:18] <Beldar> not*
[07:19] <TJ-> Yevgeny: It's pretty straightforward - remember it was designed for dial-up modem services.
[07:19] <TJ-> josmala_: Sounds like you need an account inside a chroot
[07:20] <TJ-> josmala_: The other alternative would be a user-specific apparmor profile
[07:21] <leeyaa> hello
[07:21] <leeyaa> how to apply only security updates ?
[07:21] <Sunstream> yes It is in Preferences -> Light Locker Settings at the bottom half there is a on off option in the area that says LOCKING in Enable light-locker turn that off,
[07:22] <wafflejock> leeyaa: http://askubuntu.com/questions/194/how-can-i-install-just-security-updates-from-the-command-line
[07:22] <Yevgeny> TJ-: Well gonna try it again :)
[07:22] <Sunstream> wafflejock, I am happier now based on what you said, i saw that similar option and it was the correct one
[07:22] <leeyaa> wafflejock: are you sure unattended-upgrade is the right way? what about changing sources.list
[07:22] <TJ-> leeyaa: Use the "unattended-upgrades" package
[07:22] <leeyaa> TJ-: and this is official recommended way right ?
[07:24] <TJ-> leeyaa: "This package can download and install security upgrades automatically and unattended, taking care to only install packages from the configured APT source, and checking for dpkg prompts about configuration file changes."
[07:24] <leeyaa> TJ-:  i understand, but it is official and can be used on critical systems ?
[07:25] <fishsponge> hello! because my second HDD failed, I've replaced it and now run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - so in order for it to boot off the 2nd HDD, is there any other command I need to use?
[07:25] <TJ-> leeyaa: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Upgrades
[07:25] <leeyaa> thanks  TJ-
[07:26] <wafflejock> leeyaa: this appears to be a fairly accepted way https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[07:26] <leeyaa> wafflejock: yeah it seems so, just never trusted automatic ways
[07:26] <wafflejock> leeyaa: yeah I haven't done this myself but it is compelling
[07:26] <TJ-> leeyaa: You can configure it in 'manual' mode and simply do "sudo unattended-upgrades" as you wish
[07:27] <wafflejock> just thinking about how I can auto backup before having this run on aws
[07:27] <leeyaa> wafflejock: i have multiple xen hosts with 50-80 vms each. im thinking about the same, how to backup whatever it updates
[07:28] <TJ-> leeyaa: thats what snapshots are for
[07:28] <leeyaa> TJ-: i dont have lvm on all xens
[07:28] <leeyaa> some are pretty old
[07:28] <leeyaa> i mean old setup, without lvm
[07:28] <leeyaa> its 12.04 and we had no lvm at that time
[07:29] <TJ-> leeyaa: device-mapper snapshots of the underlying block devices then
[07:30] <leeyaa> TJ-: so how am i going to backup only stuff that are updated on a server that has no lvm ? :)
[07:30] <leeyaa> dont apt have some revert thingy ?
[07:31] <Zadik> hi
[07:31] <Hybrid> Hi, I don't really know where to ask this but I have a network problem I can't solve (iptables isn't really my taste) ...
[07:31] <wafflejock> TJ-: are snapshots different from dding a device in that you get differential incremental backups?
[07:32] <TJ-> wafflejock: snapshots are COW images
[07:32] <Hybrid> I have a very simple router I did with a linux box to isolate a subnet and give hosts on this subnet access to the Internet
[07:33] <fishsponge> hello! because my second HDD failed, I've replaced it and now run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - so in order for it to boot off the 2nd HDD, is there any other command I need to use?
[07:33] <Hybrid> I only want those machines to access the Internet and not the network on which my router is and I don't know how to forbid routing on this lan for traffic coming from this private subnet .... don't know if I'm clear ...
[07:33] <tortib> Hello everyone.  I wanted to know if I could get some assistance on how to deny all packets being sent outbound on interface ppp0 and only allow web traffic through.  I have my iptable rules listed here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8112187/  but it doesn't seem to be working properly.
[07:33] <tortib> If I connect to the VPN it still allows me to connect to other ports.
[07:36] <TJ-> tortib: something like "iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dest-port 80 -j ACCEPT" "iptables -I OUTPUT 2 -i ppp0 -j REJECT"
[07:36] <tortib> what does -i OUTPUT 1 and 2 do?
[07:37] <TJ-> fishsponge: You've not given sufficient information. What is on /dev/sdb - is it a new empty disk, of so, where is GRUB and the OS - because that's where grub should be installed
[07:37] <TJ-> tortib: "insert" rules at position 1 and 2. You want the ACCEPT before the REJECT
[07:38] <tortib> it says it's a bad argument
[07:38] <tortib> oh -I
[07:38] <tortib> not -A
[07:38] <tortib> ahh
[07:39] <tortib> TJ-: that didn't do it :(
[07:42] <tortib> TJ-: any other suggestions?
[07:42] <TJ-> tortib: Sorry, I gave you the wrong command... the "-i ppp0" should be "-o ppp0" "-i" is the input interface, "-o" the output interface!
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[07:43] <tortib> TJ-: yeah that's how I have it set, no worries.
[07:43] <tortib> TJ-: but it still didn't block
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[07:43] <TJ-> tortib: Hang on, you're trying to block the forwarded packets - you'll need to do this in the FORWARD table, not OUTPUT
[07:43] <tortib> oh
[07:43] <tortib> TJ-: how do I do that?
[07:44] <TJ-> tortib: put the rules in the FORWARD chain, not the OUPTUT chain
[07:44] <tortib> okay so `iptables -A FORWARD -o ppp+ -j DROP ?
[07:45] <TJ-> tortib: You'd be better with REJECT rather than DROP, so the clients get told. DROP is more appropriate for unsolicited incoming connections from the Internet that you don't want to clue in that there is something listening
[07:46] <TJ-> tortib: You might want to add a source subnet filter to that, to only block packets from the restricted sub-net itself
[07:46] <tortib> so iptables -A FORWARD -o ppp0 -J REJECT?
[07:47] <tortib> i tried that rule and it didn't work :(
[07:47] <TJ-> tortib: "-A" means append... it gets put after all other rules in the chain. A prior rule that matches will process the packets instead.
[07:48] <tortib> so use -I FORWARD 2 ?
[07:48] <TJ-> tortib: your pastebin shows a rules already there: "-A FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT"
[07:48] <fishsponge> TJ-, sdb has the same data which is on sda... it's all RAID-1. So when sda fails, I will need to re-RAID it all, which means I'll need to boot up off sdb... so I've run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - and to boot up from sdb, do I need to run any other command?
[07:49] <TJ-> tortib: "iptables -I FORWARD 1 -o ppp+ -p tcp -m tcp --dest-port 80 -j ACCEPT" "iptables -I FORWARD 2 -o ppp+ -j REJECT"
[07:49] <tortib> okay the REJECT now works
[07:49] <tortib> i moved the FORWARD rule for eth0 below it
[07:49] <tortib> but now I can't browse the web :\
[07:50] <TJ-> fishsponge:  Ahhh, a RAID-1.... are sda and sdb whole-disk mirrors? You've mirrored the partition table already?
[07:51] <TJ-> tortib: Yes, that's working :) I said earlier, you may want to have the REJECT rule filter on the sub-net you're trying to restrict, with "-s a.b.c.d/24" for example
[07:51] <fishsponge> yes, I have mirrored all of them, but grub is only installed on sda... so I've already run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - but do I need to run any other command, so it definitely boots from sdb ??
[07:51] <fishsponge> TJ-, ^^
[07:51] <TJ-> fishsponge: You're good then :)
[07:52] <TJ-> fishsponge: Try it though... just change the boot order in firmware so sdb gets read first
[07:52] <fishsponge> OK... but because i've already run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - do I need to run any other command??
[07:52] <fishsponge> TJ-, ^^
[07:53] <TJ-> fishsponge: ** You're good then :) **
[07:53] <tortib> TJ-: is this correct? -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp -s 192.168.0.0/24 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[07:53] <fishsponge> so I definitely don't have to run any other command? correct?
[07:53] <TJ-> tortib: That looks OK
[07:53] <fishsponge> TJ-, ^^
[07:53] <tortib> TJ-: it isn't working :(
[07:55] <fishsponge> TJ-, so I definitely don't have to run any other command? correct?
[08:00] <fishsponge> TJ-, so I definitely don't have to run any other command? correct?
[08:00] <fishsponge> TJ-, ^^
[08:08] <Deepu143> hi can any one help me my usb drive showing as read only mode
[08:08] <Deepu143> i made drive as mint bottable after that i am trying to format it
[08:09] <Deepu143> after formating by using fdisk evrey thing not able to copy anything
[08:09] <Deepu143> how to fix this issue
[08:10] <k1l_> see "dmesg" after you plugged the usb drive into the usb port.  that sounds like the usb drive is going dead
[08:10] <geirha> Deepu143: fdisk doesn't do formatting, it only does partitioning. Formatting has to be done afterwards.
[08:11] <Deepu143> ya mkfs i did format
[08:11] <Deepu143> but still it showing the same format
[08:11] <Deepu143> destination readonly
[08:11] <Deepu143> error
[08:11] <geirha> Deepu143: And which filesystem did you use? ext4?
[08:11] <Deepu143> fat
[08:11] <Deepu143> mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb
[08:12] <Deepu143> i did this way
[08:12] <geirha> Deepu143: Ok, and does it have an entry in /etc/fstab?
[08:13] <Deepu143> but its usb drive rite
[08:13] <Deepu143> it wont be der
[08:13] <Deepu143> i think
[08:13] <Deepu143> usb pendrive
[08:13] <geirha> that's why I'm asking
[08:14] <k1l_> you put the filesystem plain on the device? not to sdb1? and again: what does dmesg tell about the drive
[08:15] <Deepu143> it shwoing write protector is off
[08:16] <Deepu143> here is my dmesg output http://pastebin.com/hFLbp40e
[08:18] <geirha> Deepu143: and when it is mounted, what does the line look like in mount output (or /proc/mounts)
[08:23] <tortib> can someone help me with iptables?  I'm trying to allow port 80 and 443 through my ppp interface and it's not working.  (outbound traffic is being blocked but I can't reach port 80 or 443 outbound) here are my rules: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8112489/
[08:28] <atlanx_> i tried now   smartdimmer
[08:28] <Deepu143> /dev/sdb1 on /media/pradeep/USB Stick type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2)
[08:28] <Deepu143> it showing some thing like this
[08:29] <atlanx_> same result - if i set   sudo smart dimmer -s 15   the backlight goes off complete
[08:31] <gryphon> tortib, does it work if turn iptables off?
[08:31] <popl> win 21
[08:31] <TJ-> tortib: Ahh, you've got nat table POSTROUTING rules for masquerading, so the source subnet in the filter table's FORWARD rules won't match
[08:32] <TJ-> tortib: With the nat as well you need to REJECT in the nat table, POSTROUTING chain, using the same basic procedure as you've got for the FORWARD chain of the filter table
[08:32] <geirha> Deepu143: so the user with uid 1000 should have write access to it
[08:32] <Deepu143> then when i am creating any text file it showing remote drive is having read only
[08:33] <tortib> TJ-: I'm not following you can you give an example?
[08:34] <tortib> TJ-: the outbound is being blocked with -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j REJECT
[08:34] <tortib> TJ-: i'm just trying to allow outbound ports now
[08:34] <geirha> Deepu143: What is the output of this run in a terminal exactly?   touch "/media/pradeep/USB Stick/testfile.txt"
[08:35] <drewjo> geirha, hopefully nothing.
[08:35] <samgoody> My system does not log anything. kern.log, auth.log etc are perpetually blank, and the messages folder does not exist.
[08:36] <samgoody> I realize I could create the messages folder, but am trying to figure out how to enable logging, so far with no luck at all.
[08:36] <TJ-> tortib: I think this is close to what you need: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8112539/
[08:37] <geirha> samgoody: is the syslog daemon running?
[08:37] <drewjo> samgoody, !logging
[08:37] <drewjo> !logging
[08:37] <drewjo> !log
[08:37] <samgoody> Have read a tremendous amount, and am not finding anything useful. rsyslog is running.
[08:38] <filip_> Hey guys, i'm using Lubuntu 14.04. I just wanted to know, is there any cross platform internet cafe software which i can use on my Lubuntu?
[08:38] <filip_> Just to make it clear, i want to control my Windows 7 pc via my Lubuntu laptop using internet cafe software.
[08:38] <filip_> How do i do this? Which software should i use? Is there anyway i can do it wirelessly?
[08:39] <samgoody> syslog doesnt exist, only rsyslog. Thought that was standard on Ubuntu
[08:39] <k1l_> filip_: internet cafe software?
[08:39] <JonJ> I am having some issues accessing a luks encrypted lvm on my computer. I had a cpu malfunction, and there has been some time since I last accessed the drives. Now all I am getting is that the device is not a valid luks device, and fsck will not do a check on the partitions because it is not a valid ext4 partition table on it
[08:39] <geirha> samgoody: tail -n +1 /etc/rsyslog.conf /etc/rsyslog.d/*.conf   # maybe it's not configured to log anything..?
[08:40] <samgoody> I tried reading the conf file, and admit to it not being fully understood
[08:40] <tortib> TJ-: hmm i get an error that says line 19 failed
[08:40] <tortib> which is the "COMMIT" line
[08:41] <samgoody> Haven't changed the defaults - what do I look for among all that to see that it should be logging?
[08:41] <TJ-> tortib: I didn't test it, you'll need to check the POSTROUTING rules I wrote in
[08:41] <geirha> samgoody: pastebin the output of that tail command then
[08:41] <tortib> TJ-: it wouldn't be a prerouting rule?
[08:41] <filip_> Yes, something like SmartLaunch. You can see it here: http://www.smartlaunch.com/
[08:41] <tortib> TJ-: I don't know what to check for.
[08:42] <TJ-> tortib: Look at the changes I made in the nat table's POSTROUTING rules... only masquerading if the --dport and -s subnet matches, otherwise doing a REJECT
[08:42] <tortib> TJ-: yes I understand that
[08:42] <samgoody> http://pastebin.com/yygm8bzU
[08:42] <samgoody> Thanks
[08:42] <tortib> TJ-: I just don't understand why it's saying the commit portion of iptables-save is giving an error
[08:43] <tortib> er iptables-restore even
[08:43] <TJ-> tortib: because a rule before it is bad
[08:43] <atlanx_> TJ-: the mimimum value is   sudo smartdimmer -s 19   everything under it deactivates the display
[08:44] <geirha> samgoody: apart from the postfix.conf there, that's pretty much default configuration, so it should really be logging to /var/log/auth.log and similar
[08:44] <TJ-> atlanx_: Is it working now to correctly dim the display?
[08:44] <samgoody> Thats what I figured - I havent changed anything there.
[08:44] <samgoody> But am running the system for close to a year.
[08:45] <tortib> TJ-: I understand that as well I don't understand WHICH rule before it is bad, I think it's one of the rules you provided...but I don't know the correct syntax.
[08:45] <geirha> is /var or /var/log a separate filesystem from / ?
[08:45] <TJ-> tortib: the log tells us what is wrong, see "tail /var/log/kern.log"
[08:45] <samgoody> And all the logfiles are blank.
[08:45] <TJ-> tortib: in this case I see "x_tables: ip_tables: REJECT target: only valid in filter table, not nat" ... so can't use REJECT ... need to find another option
[08:46] <samgoody> And we just had a crash, and need the logfiles, so its time to deal with it seriously, Alos, suddenly mail messages have started not arriving, seemingly at random. mail.log is similarly empty
[08:46] <k1l_> filip_: you can setup a "kiosk" system to use that as a internet cafe desktop.but i am not aware of a software that lets you use windows  as a internet cafe system from the lubuntu base
[08:47] <tortib> TJ-: will DROP work?
[08:47] <samgoody> For starters, should I create the messages folder?
[08:47] <geirha> samgoody: could you run  tail -F /var/log/auth.log  in one terminal, and do    sudo echo hi   in another,  just to see if the log lines show up but then get wiped by some other process
[08:48] <tortib> TJ-: nope DROP doesn't work either :(
[08:48] <atlanx_> TJ- : no, still not.   I can dim with the FN Keys but still the problem - the display goes off when i go down to much
[08:48] <geirha> samgoody: there's no messages directory by default, and the default configuration does not log to messages
[08:48] <drewjo> I'm running windows
[08:48] <drewjo> I am experiencing a bug
[08:48] <drewjo> the bug is I'm not running ubuntu
[08:48] <drewjo> :(
[08:49] <atlanx_> i looked around with google but i found no one who has this problem :(
[08:49] <k1l_> !install | drewjo
[08:49] <geirha> drewjo: that's bug #1
[08:49] <samgoody> ran the echo hi, and it did NOT show up in the first terminal window
[08:49] <drewjo> I have to wait until I get my internet back before I can download ubuntu :P
[08:49] <TJ-> tortib: No, REJECT and DROP aren't valid in POSTROUTING. Try this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8112594/
[08:50] <TJ-> atlanx_: Too long since I worked with smartdimmer to be able to help you much, I'm afraid
[08:50] <geirha> samgoody: with sudo, right? otherwise it won't show up in auth log
[08:50] <samgoody> Ran both commands with sudo
[08:50] <tortib> TJ-: that blocked all traffic but I'm still not able to connect to port 80 outbound
[08:51] <drewjo> !firewall
[08:51] <atlanx_> i only tried with smart dimmer because nothing other is working until now - so i installed 10 min before the smart dimmer - but not helping too
[08:51] <geirha> samgoody: ok. Now back to my previous question, is /var or /var/log a separate filesystem?  i.e. does  df / /var /var/log  show the same line three times?
[08:52] <samgoody> yes it does
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[08:52] <samgoody> same line (/dev/xvda) three times
[08:53] <samgoody> Sigh* Finally met someone who knows what he is talking about and is willing to help, and I have to go  :(
[08:53] <k1l_> !ot | Zadik
[08:54] <samgoody> If you would be willing to post anymore instructions or help,  or links, would appreciate it. Otherwise will try to catch you another day. Thanks
[08:55] <keviv> Is it okay to use the same /home partition for 2 Ubuntu flavors?
[08:56] <Beldar> keviv, You can run them both on the same install.
[08:56] <keviv> Beldar: what do you mean by that?
[08:57] <Beldar> keviv, multiple desktop
[08:57] <keviv> Beldar: which is different than dual boot?
[08:57] <Beldar> keviv, Maybe your definition of 2 ubuntu flavors might help, here it is desktops.
[08:58] <keviv> Sorry I mean say, Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Studio
[08:58] <Beldar> keviv, You can have both on a single install
[08:59] <TJ-> tortib: Without knowing your internal network "Im not able .." doesn't tell us much - what source host are you trying from, for example? I suspect the problem rule is "-A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o ppp+ -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable" which can be removed
[08:59] <keviv> Beldar: Huh. How do I do that?
[09:00] <Beldar> keviv, You install each desktop, one as a main install than sudo apt-get install the other
[09:00] <Beldar> probably best to start with studio
[09:01] <keviv> Beldar: So I would sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop (or whatever the package is called) from inside Studio? How do I switch between the two?
[09:02] <Beldar> keviv, The login gui had that option to choose
[09:02] <Beldar> has*
[09:02] <drewjo> god python will be the death of me
[09:02] <keviv> Beldar: oh OK thanks!
[09:02] <drewjo> !python
[09:02] <keviv> drewjo: problem?
[09:03] <drewjo> the problem is python
[09:03] <atlanx_> TJ- : wuwuwuwuwu i found something nice
[09:03] <keviv> drewjo: are you learning? What's going wrong?
[09:03] <drewjo> no just something that should be easy isn't
[09:04] <atlanx_> TJ- : if i write    sudo su -c "echo 2 >./brightness" than the display dims
[09:04] <keviv> drewjo: ah okay. What is it?
[09:04] <TJ-> atlanx_: what directory is that in though?
[09:04] <drewjo> I'm trying to make a list of lists
[09:04] <drewjo> without a loop, I don't think you can
[09:05] <atlanx_> the /sys/class/backlight/samsung directory where we tried to write before - but not working at this time
[09:05] <keviv> drewjo: you mean without two lines? Yea use a list comprehension
[09:05] <atlanx_> TJ- : the /sys/class/backlight/samsung/ directory where we tried to write before - but not working at this time
[09:06] <k1l_> drewjo: could you please keep this channel clear for users with actual technical ubuntu problems? we have #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[09:06] <TJ-> atlanx_: that looks to be the same as we were doing yesterday, with "echo $VALUE | sudo dd of=/sys/class/backlight/nvdia-backlight/brightness"
[09:06] <TJ-> atlanx_: Ahh, the *samsung* controller not the nvidiabl
[09:06] <keviv> drewjo: let's move to #python
[09:07] <atlanx_> TJ-: yes we tried to write there yesterday but it didn't work
[09:07] <atlanx_> TJ- : but now it works
[09:08] <atlanx_> TJ-: echo 0   smart dimmer says its level: 75
[09:08] <atlanx_> TJ-: echo 8   smart dimmer says its level: 100
[09:09] <tortib> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8112702/ this is my updated rules list and I don't have the rule you're talking about
[09:09] <TJ-> atlanx_: I think that is due to the steps between the active values
[09:09] <star_> !list
[09:12] <TJ-> tortib: The problem with that set is you've still got the unconditional  "-A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE" which, as I read it, means all traffic will be masqueraded, regardless of the prior rules
[09:14] <atlanx_> TJ- : But i can't go under 0
[09:15] <tortib> TJ-: it still blocks all traffic with that rule in there...
[09:19] <TJ-> tortib: which rule in particular. You *have* to be specific, I can't mind-read!
[09:19] <tortib> [02:13:11]  [TJ-]::	 tortib: The problem with that set is you've still got the unconditional  "-A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE" which, as I read it, means all traffic will be masqueraded, regardless of the prior rules
[09:20] <TJ-> tortib: blocks all traffic from all sources, or just from a particular source?
[09:20] <tortib> from all sources
[09:20] <tortib> which is waht I want
[09:20] <tortib> now I want to ALLOW specific ports to be reached outbound
[09:20] <tortib> like 80 and 443
[09:21] <leeyaa> i am trying to mount a nfs share and it says that rpc.statd isnt running. however it is running http://bpaste.net/show/06c798114c52 how to debug this ?
[09:21] <TJ-> tortib: The rules matching on --dport 80 and 443 should do that, they're in front of the other rules
[09:21] <tortib> TJ-: they're not though :(
[09:22] <TJ-> tortib: Or, some later rule in the filters table is affecting it
[09:22] <tortib> hmmm
[09:22] <tortib> which one would be affecting it?
[09:23] <TJ-> tortib: I can't see one, that's the problem! The only other thing I could suspect is we're using "-o ppp+" to allow any ppp interface number. I wonder if that needs to be "-o ppp0" to target a specific interface?
[09:24] <tortib> ah good thinking let me try it that way
[09:24] <TJ-> tortib: You are reloading these rules into the kernel with iptables-load" aren't you?
[09:24] <tortib> TJ-: iptables-restore
[09:24] <TJ-> tortib: that's the critter, OK  - didn't want to be editing just a text file :D
[09:25] <tortib> TJ-: lol nah
[09:26] <TJ-> tortib: The only other thing I can suggest is to add some rules in there that go the log target so the kernel log can give some clues as to where the packets are going
[09:27] <TJ-> tortib: The rule  "-A POSTROUTING ! -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE" should allow anything other than 192.168.0.0/24 to be NATed correctly
[09:27] <tortib> well that's the problem then
[09:27] <tortib> it's blocking the entire subnet
[09:28] <TJ-> tortib: Which subnet? You have 2 listed.
[09:28] <tortib> TJ-: even if i disable the -A POSTROUTING ! rule I get no connections to port 80 on the VPN (ppp0_
[09:28] <tortib> 192.168.0.0/24
[09:29] <TJ-> tortib: hang-on, lets go back to square 1. I thought "ppp0" was your Internet interface which you are trying to prevent outgoing packets on.
[09:29] <tortib> no
[09:29] <tortib> eth0 is
[09:29] <tortib> ppp0 is the VPN interface
[09:29] <TJ-> tortib: So ppp0 is a VPN?
[09:30] <TJ-> tortib: OK, lets start again! What do you want to happen (I've got confused now!) ?
[09:30] <tortib> TJ-: sorry :(
[09:30] <tortib> TJ-: I want to block all outbound traffic on ppp0 and only allow port 80 and 443 outbound on ppp0
[09:30] <tortib> ppp0 has the 192.168.0.0/24 interface
[09:31] <tortib> er subnet not interface
[09:31] <TJ-> tortib: AHHHH! the way you talked about it, 192.168.0.0/24 was a 2nd local LAN sub-net! You're telling me it is a destination sub-net!?
[09:32] <tortib> TJ-: no it's the source subnet, the box has 192.168.0.0/24 configured to be the subnet on ppp0
[09:33] <TJ-> tortib: so what is tun0? I thought that was the VPN interface?
[09:33] <tortib> it is but so is ppp0
[09:33] <tortib> two different types of VPN :)  one is for openvpn the other is for pptpd
[09:34] <TJ-> tortib: So you've got 2 VPNs... are they to different targets?
[09:34] <tortib> TJ-: lets just focus on 192.168.0.0/24 for now
[09:35] <TJ-> tortib: No, lets know the precise config first. I need all information not a snippet
[09:36] <tortib> TJ-: 10.8.0.0/24 is the source subnet for tun0
[09:36] <TJ-> tortib: If tun0 and ppp0 are terminated on the same host for example, that introduces complications
[09:36] <tortib> that's why i'm using -s
[09:36] <leeyaa> whats the difference between unattended-upgrade  and  unattended-upgrades
[09:36] <leeyaa> ?
[09:38] <keviv> drewjo?
[09:38] <drewjo> hi
[09:38] <TJ-> tortib: So you have   host_A->openvpn->10.8.0.0/24->tun0-<-router->ppp0<-192.168.0.0/24<-PPTP<-host_B  ?
[09:38] <keviv> drewjo: Did that help? If not, I'll meet you in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:39] <drewjo> ok im just eating and was on phone
[09:39] <drewjo> ty
[09:39] <keviv> drewjo: sure np
[09:40] <keviv> drewjo: if you're not familiar with them, than if you give me a paste in #ububtu-offtopic, I'll translate it to a list comprehension
[09:40] <drewjo> ok ty
[09:48] <Zadik> how do i know if some writee to me on this ? :P
[09:49] <drewjo> Zadik, your client will flash
[09:49] <drewjo> most clients have an alarm
[09:49] <drewjo> when your nick is mentioned
[09:49] <jorge> how do I know that the custom dns servers I entered are working?
[09:50] <drewjo> you should dig them
[09:50] <drewjo> jorge
[09:51] <drewjo> you mean you are hosting the dns server or you are using the servers as a client?
[09:51] <Zadik> aha
[09:51] <jorge> as client
[09:51] <Zadik> any ytought about my idea ?
[09:51] <drewjo> easy, just clear you dns cache
[09:51] <drewjo> your
[09:51] <drewjo> !dns
[09:51] <Zadik> www.allismen.blogspott.se a new smartphone 2015
[09:51] <drewjo> !flushdns
[09:52] <Ben64> Zadik: don't spam stuff like that here
[09:52] <Zadik> !dns
[09:52] <k1l_> !ot | Zadik last warning
[09:52] <k1l_> !guidelines > Zadik
[09:53] <Zadik> But who should i speak about the ubuntu smartphones about ?
[09:53] <k1l_> Zadik: for general chat see the offtopic channel. for specific questions see the #ubuntu-touch channel
[09:53] <h2o64> I want too :D
[09:54] <drewjo> I'm pan frying vegetables, :) now if I could only have a cup of ubuntu...
[09:58] <loa> can't get one things
[09:59] <loa> my of chrome was locked.
[09:59] <loa> and now i see that version was update O_O
[09:59] <loa> how this can happened?
[10:00] <loa> ah no all is ok.
[10:02] <psalgadop> ?
[10:12] <jmft2> Hello, I'm on 14.04, kernel 3.13.0-34-generic. My keyboard's CapsLock and S keys seem to be bound to each other (so pressing one will have the effect of both).
[10:13] <_2_jhordynpaige> :)
[10:14] <TJ-> jmft2: Just in the GUI or even at virtual terminals?
[10:15] <jmft2> TJ-: Yes, even the virtual terminals.
[10:15] <TJ-> jmft2: spilt coffee in the keyboard recently?
[10:16] <jmft2> TJ-: Nope. And it was working fine earlier this morning.
[10:16] <TJ-> jmft2: I'd test it via the GRUB menu, entering the command line mode and seeing if it exists at the BIOS level. If so, you've got a hardware problem
[10:17] <TJ-> jmft2: If not, you know it is something in Linux
[10:18] <TJ-> jmft2: That kind of issue has usually turned out to be a failing or dirty keyboard in my experience.
[10:18] <keviv> How do I turn numlock on at startup?
[10:18] <keviv> Is there a command I can put in my init.f?
[10:18] <keviv> *d
[10:20] <TJ-> keviv: That's usually done in the the system firmware settings
[10:21] <keviv> TJ-: ah. How do I do that?
[10:21] <TJ-> keviv: That's system-specific. Check the options in the system's setup
[10:22] <keviv> TJ- oh ok
[10:29] <aeyesi> Hi anyone have any skill with configuring hostapd? (service starts but no AP can be found) it worked unless ah installed hamachi since i need to acces it behind nat (no chance to configure port forward)
[10:30] <aeyesi> :Z
[10:31] <sfix> already asked this on ubuntu-server, but I guess here is apt too:
 anyone ran into this with a fresh MySQL install on 14.04: [ERROR] Function 'innodb' already exists ?
[10:39] <greenwolf> hi
[10:44] <MrObvious> Hi - I'm looking for an old ( 2002 - 2007 ) distro that used Gnome preferably and had all the codecs installed - any suggestions ?
[10:45] <drewjo> MrObvious, Ubuntu
[10:46] <drewjo> has third party codecs
[10:48] <MrObvious> drewjo: but the old versions of it are no longer supported so it would be a pain to find codecs for it to install if possible
[10:48] <drewjo> ?
[10:48] <drewjo> just use new ubuntu
[10:49] <BigMike-`> is there a way to install a bunch of deb packages in the correct order (as some deps need other deps to be installed first).   I have a folder full of debs to install offline, and some debs require dependancies installed before other packages will install ).
[10:54] <exarkun> I paired with and connected to my bluetooth keyboard.  Now how do I make it so I can actually send keystrokes that X will notice?
[10:55] <keviv> drewjo: did you want me to look at that list loop?
[10:55] <drewjo> keviv, it's ok, I'm writing it in C now
[10:56] <elichai2> https://askubuntu.com/questions/514190/how-can-i-prevent-the-wifi-to-auto-disconnects-when-idle
[10:57] <MrObvious> drewjo: I have my reasons to want an old linux distro :)
[10:57] <drewjo> ok
[10:57] <drewjo> don't want to be mainstream?
[10:57] <drewjo> and you want security holes?
[10:57] <keviv> drewjo: oh OK. Just to let you know, what you're trying to accomplish ahould be easy in Python
[10:58] <drewjo> I guess
[10:58] <max12345> hey what do I do if apt-get install 404s?
[10:58] <k1l_> MrObvious: there are some gnome2-look alike desktops. no need to run an outdated distro just for that look
[10:58] <k1l_> max12345: which ubuntu are you on exactly?
[10:59] <keviv> MrObvious: any other reasons?
[10:59] <k1l_> max12345: "lsb_release -d" gives the exact version
[10:59] <max12345> 12.10
[10:59] <k1l_> !eolupgrades | max12345
[11:00] <k1l_> max12345: your system is out of life some time now. upgrade asap
[11:00] <max12345> kk :S
[11:00] <MrObvious> k1l_: no not just the look
[11:01] <k1l_> max12345: if you dont want to upgrade often use the LTS in first place
[11:01] <MrObvious> I just want an old gnome distro that has codecs pre-installed
[11:01] <max12345> yep I made a mistake with this one :D
[11:02] <k1l_> MrObvious: codecs are a licence issue if they come preinstalled
[11:03] <iscorpion> hello friends please tell me why i did not get first point release ? m using 14.04 lts
[11:03] <k1l_> iscorpion: what does "lsb_release -d" give you?
[11:04] <iscorpion> 14.04
[11:05] <k1l_> iscorpion: so run a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to make sure you got all updates installed
[11:05] <iscorpion> i am having issues with duplicate entries in sources list
[11:05] <cenobyte> anyone know if regular (~2 min intervals) 100% CPU spikes in /usr/bin/X are to be expected at the moment in 14.10?
[11:05] <k1l_> iscorpion: then pastebin the sources.list please
[11:05] <iscorpion> ok
[11:05] <k1l_> !away > WLM
[11:06] <k1l_> cenobyte: for 14.10 please see the unstable channel #ubuntu+1
[11:06] <cenobyte> cheers k1l_
[11:11]  * WLM is away: I seemingly need to do some important things, or I'm just getting some chocolate. You'll never know
[11:13] <iscorpion> @k1l_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8113460/
[11:13] <iscorpion> K1l_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8113460/
[11:16] <iscorpion> K1l_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8113468/
[11:21] <iscorpion> K1l_: there?
[11:28] <saju_m> i wrote a expect script for ssh http://dpaste.com/1HERMGV  ,  When i run this, it showing logged into 192.168.56.101, but when i press enter, it showing expect timeout, error:http://dpaste.com/1SW1HB4
[11:32] <aeyesi> Someone for lil help with networking plz ? :0
[11:32] <aeyesi> (need4network config help with AP + hamachi for remote acces behind NAT ~)
[11:33] <aeyesi> its like a question for google but this is not generic anymoreee >0
[11:35] <max12345> k1l_ heh well all update instructions are dead ends. A fresh install it is...
[11:35] <max12345> thanks for the help...
[11:44] <saju_m> i wrote a expect script for ssh http://dpaste.com/1HERMGV  ,  When i run this, it showing logged into 192.168.56.101, but when i press enter, it showing expect timeout, error:http://dpaste.com/1SW1HB4
[11:45] <atlanx> wie kann ich ein Skript immer mit root-rechten ausführen?
[11:51] <ikki> hi guys I got a problem to activate compiz 3d... compiz setting manager windows appear but it doen t do anything like the cube or anything... any suggest ? thanks
[11:51] <bazhang> !de | atlanx
[11:52] <morning_star> is ubuntu-offtopic dissolved?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> morning_star, it is not
[11:54] <ikki> hi guys I got a problem to activate compiz 3d... compiz setting manager windows appear but it doen t do anything like the cube or anything... any suggest ? thanks
[11:54] <freaky[t]> hi all i got a problem. i installed ubuntu as 2nd operating system next to a windows 8 installation. now i want to go into windows 8 boot menu to choose the recovery option ... how can i do that?
[11:55] <freaky[t]> and now if I select windows 8 loader as boot menu option in grub and press f8 it just continues booting
[11:55] <bazhang> !fixgrub | freaky[t]
[11:56] <ikki> any help for compiz 3d please
[11:56] <cfhowlett> !patience | ikki
[12:00] <ikki> ok no prob guys
[12:01] <ikki> I have ever tried to search on any topics... but strangely I don t find.
[12:01] <freaky[t]> bazhang that doesnt help me ... what i want is to boot into the windows bootloader to be able to restore my windows
[12:02] <fishsponge> hello! because my second HDD failed, I've replaced it and now run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - so in order for it to boot off the 2nd HDD, is there any other command I need to use?
[12:02] <fishsponge> also sdb has the same data which is on sda... it's all RAID-1. So when sda fails, I will need to re-RAID it all, which means I'll need to boot up off sdb... so I've run this command -     grub-install /dev/sdb     - and to boot up from sdb, do I need to run any other command?
[12:03] <Yevgeny> I run # rancid-run -r 'device-name' and it should send the switch config file to my  rancid config directory but only creates an empty file with the name of the switches IP adress :/
[12:08] <ikki> does any guys ride on ELEMENTARY OS ?
[12:08] <marjinal1st> I'm generating a console output with a program. I want to get the parts between two spesific lines, based on content. How can I do it?
[12:09] <bazhang> !elementary | ikki
[12:09] <bazhang>  /join #elementary ikki
[12:10] <ikki> There is nothing on the elementary os web site. It s based on ubuntu. So guys if you can t help 'm dead ;-))
[12:11] <MonkeyDust> ikki  elementary is not supported here
[12:11] <cfhowlett> ikki, we can't support it.  consider installing ubuntu or another OS that will give you the support you require.
[12:11] <cfhowlett> !flavors
[12:12] <MonkeyDust> similiar != the same
[12:13] <ikki> pfff in the past all guys was helping all linux users... today it s a distrib war. Ok 'm gonna search it by myself.
[12:15] <morning_star> anyone use powerline?
[12:15] <MonkeyDust> morning_star  you mean network over the light net?
[12:15] <morning_star> no i mean the status line called powerline
[12:25] <Yevgeny> In Rancid do I have to create newaliases email addresses or can it work without them?
[12:26] <res> hello
[12:27] <res> anyone there?
[12:27] <cfhowlett> Yevgeny, http://shrubbery.net/rancid/    for rancid support
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> Yevgeny  it says here, Rancid is still in an alpha stage
[12:28] <res> I have a question about 14.04 LTS/ Win7 dual boot
[12:29] <cfhowlett> !ask | res
[12:29] <MonkeyDust> res  let's hear it
[12:29] <Yevgeny> MonkeyDust: how can it be in alpha when it's like 10 years old :/
[12:29] <res> I want to completely hide the GRUB menu, but none of the online suggestions have worked
[12:30] <cfhowlett> res, set grub timeout to 0
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> Yevgeny  true, but that's what it says when i want to install it (i discontinues the installation)
[12:34] <Yevgeny> MonkeyDust: Did you get it to work?
[12:35] <res> cfhowlett - I have tried all sorts of settings in grub, including grub timeout=0, etc. also tried 30_os_prober edits -- -- in all cases, either grub disappears without SHIFT working to bring it up when desired, or it briefly appears.
[12:35] <cfhowlett> res,  you're dualbooting.  setting grub to 0 = you will NOT be given a choice at boot
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> Yevgeny  no, i aborted the installation, because the installaer says, it's still in alpha stage
[12:38] <aeyesi> alpha stages might be buggy
[12:38] <aeyesi> :%
[12:38] <cfhowlett> aeyesi, *might* --- yes.
[12:38] <res> cfhowlett - I yes I'm dual booting, and I DO get a choice if I press the SHIFT key at present. The trouble is, the grub menu also appears for about 1/2 second, even if I don't press SHIFT.
[12:38] <Yevgeny> MonkeyDust: strange, didn't say it for me:7
[12:38] <Yevgeny> :/
[12:39] <cfhowlett> !grub2 | res
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> Yevgeny  installed it but can't help, can't even find how to launch rancid
[12:42] <res> ubottu - Thx, I'll check out that last link esp.-- right now I need to log off and get a better IRQ client (just using Chrome is too barebones)
[12:43] <ubuntu> rivarivacy
[12:47] <brontosaurusrex> is there some "cp" variation (in system) that would hash check both the original and copied file? (cli)
[12:49] <k1l_> brontosaurusrex: look at rsync
[12:52] <brontosaurusrex> k1l_: right, so rsync should behave exactly the same in "local" mode as with the "local -client > remote -server" mode?
[12:52] <k1l_> yes
[12:53] <k1l_> you can specify how to check and what to check. just see the documentation for what you need
[12:56] <MadLamb> I press the chrome button in my laucher, it blinks for a while and stops blinking, chrome doesnt open. Then i search for chrome in the dash search, and click there, it opens. what might it be?
[12:59] <frenda> I can't login at http://discourse.ubuntu.com --> http://i.imgur.com/DqFeKNE.png
[13:00] <max123456> k1l_ hey hey reinstallation went super smooth. I'm always pleasantly surprised by linux in that way. Thanks again for the help :)
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> frenda  interesting link, thnaks, hope you find a solution
[13:03] <Xer_> Hello, Where i can find ubuntu support channel for Germany?
[13:03] <DJones> Xer_: #ubuntu-de
[13:03] <DJones> !de
[13:03] <MonkeyDust> Xer_  #ubuntu-de
[13:03] <Xer_> thanks
[13:11] <st> hi
[13:15] <st_Y> can someone help me with the  nvidia proprietary driver? i have a GF 9600M GT and uninstalled nvidia* packages and installed nvidia-331, nvidia-settings and nvidia-prime again. But now, my nvidia-settings Panel is missing most options (like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/ovYdQ.png )
[13:15] <st_Y> so i have no options to activate my second monitor etc.
[13:18] <Xer_> You will choose color profile?
[13:19] <st_Y> no, my problem is I only have to sections, first is "Application Profiles", the other one is "nvidia-Settings configuration"
[13:20] <st_Y> and missing sections like "X Server Configuration" etc
[13:20] <Xer_> wine virtualisation?
[13:21] <st_Y> hmm, wine is installed, but I think it's not even running
[13:21] <Xer_> ok, wine is good
[13:21] <Xer_> wait i thinking
[13:21] <cfhowlett> Xer_, indeed!
[13:21] <Xer_> new install?
[13:21] <st_Y> nope
[13:22] <st_Y> i just tried to reinstall my nvidia-current driver
[13:22] <Xer_> ok
[13:22] <st_Y> because my 2nd monitor wasn't recognized anymore... but now all the sections are gone from nvidia-settings panel
[13:23] <Xer_> Exists password security for your programm
[13:23] <cenobyte> st_Y: tried using xrandr from command line to activate it?
[13:23] <st_Y> not yet cenobyte
[13:23] <Xer_> ok
[13:23] <cenobyte> st_Y: try "xrandr" on its own to list your monitors
[13:24] <st_Y> hmm, the other one isn't even listed... just my laptop display
[13:24] <Xer_> ok, check your cable
[13:24] <st_Y> but it's connected to the vga
[13:25] <Xer_> sure?
[13:25] <st_Y> everything worked fine before reinstalling the nvidia prop. driver -.-
[13:25] <Xer_> ok
[13:26] <Xer_> then install the driver
[13:26] <st_Y> the problem with the 2nd monitor is not my problem right now... i'm missing most of the nvidia-settings "sections"
[13:26] <st_Y> i did, i actually purged nvidia*
[13:26] <Footy-mobi> So how do I get mkdir */test to work?
[13:26] <st_Y> then reinstalled nvidia-current nvidia-prime and nvidia-settings
[13:27] <hey_joe_> question. I am using vhost_alias for home folder site by subdomain.  everything works fine.  however users can also view and list other users /home folders.  what is the best permission set to use on the /home/user/ and /home/user/html folders, so that each user cannot cd into another's home, list files, etc.  BUT, still allow apache2 to serve up the pages with out the "Forbidden" issue?
[13:27] <st_Y> i don't know how to fix it... i'm close to reinstalling the OS ^^
[13:28] <st_Y> just to get nvidia back to work properly
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> hey_joe_  is that a server? if yes: better ask in #ubuntu-server
[13:29] <hey_joe_> MonkeyDust: yes it is
[13:31] <st_Y> btw. i don't get the "nvidia splash" screen anymore, which was shown with every reboot
[13:31] <Footy-mobi> Hey Joe remove other access and set group to the webserver group probably apache with x rights on user folder and rx on html  should work
[13:31] <st_Y> so, i'm not even sure the driver is working properly
[13:36] <qstrahl> Where does/do the config file/files for startup applications live?
[13:37] <cenobyte> st_Y: time to backup xorg.conf and restart X?
[13:37] <cenobyte> (relevant xkcd: http://xkcd.com/963/)
[13:37] <st_Y> cenobyte, sure
[13:39] <cenobyte> in these kinds of situations I usually just move xorg.conf and restart
[13:39] <st_Y> cenobyte, in /etc/X11/ i have no xorg.conf ^^
[13:40] <TimeVirus> howdys
[13:40] <st_Y> hi
[13:41] <gcgvhjv> http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx free soccer tips
[13:42] <TimeVirus> huh?
[13:42] <TimeVirus> spam in here even?
[13:42] <TimeVirus> bah
[13:43] <Gatis> What's the default Ubunut IRC client?
[13:44] <st_Y> xchat I think?
[13:44] <kzoo> Has anyone seen this issue with USB 3.0/xhci ports?  My devices stop working and the USB controller completely disables itself - http://pastebin.ca/2834671
[13:44] <SCHAAP137> there is no "default" IRC client in ubuntu, but you can get XChat from the software center
[13:44] <mkster> I think it is HexChat Gatis
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> or irssi (command line)
[13:44] <st_Y> not in my distro :D
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Gatis, but you can use whatever client you want
[13:45] <SCHAAP137> xchat, hexchat, irssi, weechat
[13:45] <st_Y> irssi is the best... but preinstalled is xchat... so
[13:45] <cfhowlett> !irc
[13:45] <Gatis> What do you recommend?
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> irrsi
[13:45] <Gatis> IM usin xchat currently
[13:45] <Gatis> Okay
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Gatis, the one you're using now??
[13:45] <SCHAAP137> hexchat for X11, irssi for terminal
[13:45] <st_Y> irssi
[13:45] <mkster> I use HexChat
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Gatis, if it works --- why change?
[13:46] <Yevgeny> Do I put the switch commands into the router.db file for Rancid ?
[13:46] <Gatis> cfhowlett, i heard xchat is outdated
[13:46] <st_Y> cenobyte,  do you have other ideas left ? ^^
[13:46] <aeyesi> xchat is cool
[13:46] <MonkeyDust> Gatis  mind the moment you say what client you're using, everybody will try to convince you to use something else
[13:46] <cenobyte> st_Y: sorry, I'm out of ideas :(
[13:46] <TimeVirus> hexchat 4 me
[13:46] <Gatis> Xchat works though.
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Gatis, 1. does it work for  you?  2. why would give  a single rat turd about public opinion about YOUR computer's OS?
[13:47] <SCHAAP137> hexchat is a fork of xchat2, itś quite similar
[13:47] <SCHAAP137> *it's
[13:47] <t3flon> greetings
[13:47] <st_Y> cenobyte,  ok, thank you anyway :)
[13:47] <SCHAAP137> you could also run mIRC under WINE, lol
[13:47] <cyb3r_w3lf4r3> Gatis, I started with HexChat(because Xchat developers stop developing it), but its very fun to use command-line-interface.
[13:48] <st_Y> just use irssi, very simple, fast and lightweight
[13:48] <Gatis> Okay thanks for tips
[13:48] <qstrahl> Any love for weechat?
[13:48] <qstrahl> Weechat seems to be absorbing irssi users
[13:49] <Gatis> Never heard of weechat :)
[13:49] <TimeVirus> apt-get install irssi ?
[13:49] <SCHAAP137> i like weechat, but i like irssi more
[13:49] <qstrahl> SCHAAP137, What's the deal breaker for you?
[13:49] <st_Y> never tried weechat ^^
[13:50] <cenobyte> quassel-core + quassel-client for me
[13:50] <SCHAAP137> dunno, i'm quite used to irssi, and weechat is just... different somehow
[13:50] <SCHAAP137> :P
[13:50] <cenobyte> which is Qt, but meh
[13:50] <qstrahl> SCHAAP137, Ah, just a comfort thing then?
[13:50] <greeter> weechat fan myself. but i guess that's just because i like very complicated things, which weechat can be if you want it to be
[13:51] <TimeVirus> like mashed taters
[13:51] <SCHAAP137> yeah, i guess so
[13:51] <cyb3r_w3lf4r3> on android, i use Yaaic and on gnu/linux i use irssi & Hexchat  :)
[13:51] <Gatis> Ah Ubuntu default is empathy :)
[13:51] <SCHAAP137> andchat, irssi, hexchat here
[13:51] <SCHAAP137> and mIRC in windoze
[13:51] <TimeVirus> i like the colorfullness of hexchat, if thsts a word :P
[13:52] <cyb3r_w3lf4r3> TimeVirus, Yeah !
[13:52] <TimeVirus> lol
[13:52] <SCHAAP137> agreed
[13:52] <TimeVirus> green and the line is meant for me \o/
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> guys, take the irc client discussion #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> to*
[13:53] <t3flon> lol you misspelled
[13:53] <Gatis> !help
[13:54] <t3flon> !patience
[13:54] <Guest96169> hi i got a problem to install wine on my xubuntu. he said i can download pack. somebody can help me please:)
[13:54] <cfhowlett> !wine | Guest96169,
[13:54] <t3flon> Guest96169: Have you checked the repositories?
[13:55] <testKL9> Hi. I want to install Lubuntu on UEFI-mode. Do I need a UEFI boot partition AND a /boot-Partition for Lubuntu?
[13:56] <cfhowlett> !uefi | testKL9
[13:59] <testKL9> ubottu: Thank you. I have read it. But still I don't know if I also need an extra /boot-partition for Lubuntu? Or is one EFI-partition enough?
[14:09] <Ziber> How do I add a ppa aptitude repository?
[14:10] <Ziber> add-apt-repository, which is what I thought the command was, isn't found. But is the command that two results on google have said.
[14:10] <cfhowlett> !ppa | Ziber
[14:10] <Ziber> !addppa
[14:11] <Ziber> Yeah, that command just isn't found.
[14:11] <Ziber> -bash: add-apt-repository: command not found
[14:11] <Ziber> I'm doing this as root.
[14:12] <Ziber> on ubuntu 13.10
[14:12] <cfhowlett> !13.10
[14:12] <SCHAAP137> Ziber
[14:12] <SCHAAP137> try switching around add and apt in the commandname
[14:13] <cfhowlett> Ziber, dead OS - upgrade to 14.04.1
[14:13] <SCHAAP137> should be apt-add-repository, not add-apt-repository
[14:13] <Ziber> Neither works. Tried both.
[14:13] <kilonux> Hello, do you know if it is a good idea to upgrade from a faulty 12.04 to 14.04?
[14:13] <cfhowlett> Ziber, YOUR OS IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED
[14:13] <SCHAAP137> then it's a path issue
[14:13] <Ziber> cfhowlett: I can read lowercase, too.
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  first upgrade, then ask again
[14:13] <cfhowlett> kilonux, no reason not to
[14:14] <Ziber> And lack of support doesn't really bother me.
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Ziber, can't add ppa to a dead OS
[14:14] <Ziber> The command will literally be just no longer working? How?
[14:14] <SCHAAP137> that's what unsupported means
[14:14] <Ziber> Explain how.
[14:14] <Ziber> Like, technically, how is that possible?
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Ziber, repos are retired from use.
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> Ziber not supported means that the sources are no longer available
[14:15] <Ziber> My question is how is a binary, locally installed on my system, rendered inactive?
[14:15] <SCHAAP137> it's not the binary, it's what the binary tries to do
[14:15] <SCHAAP137> adding a repo that is not in use anymore
[14:15] <cfhowlett> Ziber, your system is fine.  adding things to your system is no longer supported
[14:15] <Ziber> The command -cant be found-.
[14:15] <Ziber> It's not trying and failing.
[14:16] <Ziber> It's just not found. That, my good sirs, is not the result of an out of date OS.
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  like an old car that still drives, but there are no spare parts for it anymore
[14:16] <SCHAAP137> that must be a different issue then, PATH or writing related
[14:16] <kilonux> I am not sure it will work, when i've been trying to update the update-manager crashes,  and when trying to install apps, the dpkg crashes
[14:16] <kilonux> cfhowlett:
[14:16] <Ziber> Which won't necessarily be fixed by an upgrade, so I'll have the same problem.
[14:16] <cfhowlett> kilonux, torrent the 14.04.1 and do a clean install then
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  to find out: upgrade, it will make things easier for you
[14:17] <alive4ever> Ziber, you can manually create a ppa configuration in /etc/apt/sources-list.d/ppaname.list. Then fetch the ppa key manually using gpg and add the fetched ppa key to apt-key cache.
[14:17] <Ziber> You people are pissing me offo.
[14:17] <Ziber> *off
[14:17] <kilonux> cfhowlett:  yes, but I have no lust in doing all the post-install
[14:17] <Ziber> Right, but that doesn't help fix my problem either.
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  or is there a reason you don't want to upgrade?
[14:18] <Ziber> Upgrading or not, it doesn't sound like my problem of a potential path issue, will be fixed.
[14:18] <Ziber> I want that problem to be fixed.
[14:18] <cfhowlett> kilonux, 12.04 is still supported - you need not upgrade until 2017
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  first upgrade, then ask again
[14:18] <Ziber> You've said that before.
[14:18] <Ziber> And it's not actually helpful.
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  you're pissing the channel off
[14:18] <SCHAAP137> Ziber, you could try something like: export PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:$PATH
[14:18] <SCHAAP137> and then retry the command
[14:18] <cfhowlett> Ziber, End of Life distros are not supported.  NOT.  sorry if that tweaks your meter
[14:19] <tmick> 12.04  is  good
[14:19] <Anarchic> why are you even reply to Ziber?
[14:19] <kilonux> cfhowlett: maybe what I need is a doctor, who can read my system and suggest repair
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> Anarchic  i agree
[14:19] <Ziber> Seems like I have all of that in my path, SCHAAP137.
[14:20] <SCHAAP137> ok, weird issue then Ziber, i suggest upgrading to a version that is supported
[14:20] <Ziber> Yeah, I have those exact ones, actually.
[14:20] <cfhowlett> kilonux, I must have missed it --- what is wrong with 12.04???
[14:20] <SCHAAP137> using a CD or DVD
[14:20] <tmick> Quoexl
[14:20] <tmick> Here?
[14:21] <kilonux> cant do updates or installs
[14:21] <dav1dp0101> HI! I'm using ubuntu server 14.04LTS. I'm having trouble getting any sound. I am using jack. Does anyone have experience troubleshooting audio input/output problems?
[14:21] <cfhowlett> kilonux, sudo apt-get update
[14:21] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, it's probably related to pulseaudio and jack competing for ALSA
[14:21] <SCHAAP137> lemme get a useful URL
[14:21] <anarkhos> wafflejock: hi
[14:21] <Ziber> What's the ubuntu equivalent of centos'/rhel's chkconfig?
[14:22] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, should I uninstall pulse audio?
[14:22] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, read this here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#PulseAudio_through_JACK
[14:22] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, no
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> Ziber  try fsck
[14:22] <SCHAAP137> although the procedure is written for arch, the same applies for ubuntu
[14:23] <alive4ever> Ziber: update-rc.d
[14:23] <Ziber> alive4ever: I know there's a directory /etc/update-rc.d/, is it a command, too?
[14:24] <alive4ever> Just type it as root. For further information, read http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man8/update-rc.d.8.html
[14:24] <Ziber> Ah, thanks.
[14:25] <kilonux> cfhowlett:  sudo apt-get update  works fine
[14:25] <cfhowlett> kilonux, what do you "can't do updates or installs"?  details
[14:26] <KL48> I want to install Lubuntu with manual partition. Do I need /boot-partition or only EFI-boot-partition? In other words: How do I have to partition the system if I want an encrypted system using LVM/LUKS?
[14:26] <kilonux> cfhowlett: sorry busy , I'll be back later, sorry
[14:27] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I'm nervous about sending commands to pulse audio because JACK is up and running, and my connections are apparently all connected, including system:capture to liquid oap and liquidsoap back out to system:playback. But I hear nothing on the headphones. And even when I use various command line tools to play audio, none of them playback into the headphones.
[14:27] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, go to gnome-control-panel, Sound
[14:27] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I also don't have a GUI
[14:27] <SCHAAP137> select the Jack outputs for PulseAudio
[14:28] <SCHAAP137> ah, ok, no qjackctl?
[14:28] <SCHAAP137> challenging
[14:28] <dav1dp0101> No I don't have qjackctl. I've been using command lines like jack_connect and jack_lsp, and jackd to start up the server.
[14:28] <dav1dp0101> SCHAPP137, No I don't have qjackctl. I've been using command lines like jack_connect and jack_lsp, and jackd to start up the server.
[14:29] <SCHAAP137> try: pacmd list-sinks
[14:29] <SCHAAP137> to list the PulseAudio sinks
[14:29] <SCHAAP137> which one is the active sink?
[14:29] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, it says: No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[14:30] <samthewildone> http://pastebin.com/PauGrpEk
[14:30] <samthewildone> why do I get three x86_64 ?
[14:30] <SCHAAP137> ok, so there is just ALSA and JACK in your config then?
[14:31] <dav1dp0101> SCHAPP137, yes I think I am just running JACK and ALSA. I also have Liquidsoap using JACK as input/output, and shoutcast sending the audio stream to the internet.
[14:31] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, this looks like a useful resource: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
[14:32] <Ziber> So, does ubuntu, zfs and xen play nicely?
[14:32] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, i just know how to set it up when PulseAudio is involved as well, but i never actually touched the ALSA part
[14:33] <SCHAAP137> and pbly, dav1dp0101, the headphones are considered a different output
[14:33] <Benemy> Looking for some help with my ubuntu booting
[14:33] <cfhowlett> !details | beme
[14:34] <cfhowlett> benemy ^^^
[14:34] <Benemy> ok didnt know if i needed to pm someone. My laptop has 2 hdds one with ubuntu installed the other has only files
[14:34] <Benemy> when i go to boot the hdd with only files has to be present or it wont boot
[14:35] <Benemy> ive formated the 2nd hdd and it is now blank yet it still has to be pluged in for ubuntu to boot
[14:36] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I don't know how to check that it understands my headphones. But another clue is that Liquidsoap (my audio stream source) is connected to jack properly, and is outputting the stream to shoutcast, which is sending it to a URL. When I listen to that stream on a remote device, there is silence, just like silence in the headphones. So it may be my Line In has no sound on it. And I will be testing that today too. But it may be JACK or ALSA conf
[14:36] <dav1dp0101> ig issues.
[14:37] <Benemy> ive checked my boot hdd and ubuntu is installed to it but without that second hdd it wont boot. Ive even tried a different second hdd and nothing. My boot hdd in encrypted.
[14:37] <dyu> what processes write to /proc/loadvg?
[14:37] <dyu> how to overwrite it?
[14:38] <dyu> i get an i/o error when i try to pipe stuff into it
[14:38] <samthewildone> anyone....
[14:38] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, weird indeed, it might be related to internal mixing on ALSA
[14:38] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, and the way that JACK connects to an ALSA device
[14:38] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 do you know how to monitor internal ALSA mixing from command line?
[14:39] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Alsa-sound-6.html
[14:39] <SCHAAP137> 6.2 The Mixer
[14:39] <qstrahl> Where do the config files for "startup applications" live?
[14:39] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, http://alsa.opensrc.org/Amixer
[14:40] <Benemy> im running 14.04 fresh install from usb
[14:42] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, when I type 'amixer' it returns: Simple mixer control 'IEC958', 0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on]
[14:42] <SCHAAP137> just that?
[14:43] <SCHAAP137> i get a whole list of stuff dav1dp0101
[14:44] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, yeah just that. But it's a fresh install and these are my only programs running. JACK is the one connecting to and from my program (Liquidsoap). I thought JACK bypassed ALSA somehow. I guess I don't fully understand ALSA.
[14:45] <SCHAAP137> as i understood it, there is no bypassing ALSA, but i could be wrong
[14:45] <Benemy> Im running 14.04 with 2 hdds. I installed to my 360gb hdd and i can confirm that the boot files on on the root of it. My problem is that without my 250gb hdd aslo in it wont boot. Ive tried different hdds together with the 360gb one and nothing. The weird thing is i formated the 250gb hdd but it still has to be present to boot.
[14:45] <cfhowlett> !encryption > Benemy
[14:46] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, JACK says I have 2 system:playbacks, and 2 system:captures, so I should at least have stereo playback in my ALSA mixer.
[14:46] <dav1dp0101> But it only shows a mono playback.
[14:47] <wheatthin> Benemy, It sounds like you need to update grub. Make sure only one hard drive has marked bootable partitions with parted -l
[14:48] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 Do you think I should set up JACK as my default input/output ports in my asoundrc config file? http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_%28plugin%29
[14:48] <SCHAAP137> yes
[14:49] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, that is what my earlier URL described
[14:49] <SCHAAP137> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=171729
[14:49] <SCHAAP137> also here, seems like the same issue
[14:49] <Benemy> its saying my 250 is boot flaged but the one i installed to isnt. could i switch the flags with gparted?
[14:49] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 but it says that I would do that in order to use ALSA programs (like aplay) and have them routed through Jack. I don't need to do that because i'm not using ALSA programs.
[14:50] <SCHAAP137> well, i think it's like kind of "sink"
[14:50] <DrofoShaggins> If I were to create a USB with persistence, then install things like Chrome and Truecrypt, to include their respective PPAs, then shut it down and use dd to turn it back into an ISO file, would it work when burned to DVD?
[14:50] <SCHAAP137> any application that is not capable of talking to JACK directly, will talk to ALSA
[14:50] <SCHAAP137> which feeds it to JACK
[14:51] <SCHAAP137> if you only use jack, i would try setting JACK as default ALSA input/output like described on that page
[14:51] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, ok, gotcha. Yeah your last link above seems to think that I should do as described: rewrite asoundrc to default to JACK. Also ALSA has a JACK plugin, I should check that it's installed.
[14:52] <SCHAAP137> it seems like a logical fix, and there is not much that can break
[14:52] <SCHAAP137> cool, curious for the result
[14:53] <linuxboobiz> hello people.. i have setup a new server. and i have installed xrdp on it. however whenever i try to connect to it i get a grey screen for normal users. when i login as root xfce4 works fine.. works only for root :\
[14:53] <linuxboobiz> i tried making a new .xsession in /home/myuser but it doesnt work.
[14:53] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 ok I'll get to it and let you know the results.
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> linuxboobiz  there's also #ubuntu-server
[14:53] <linuxboobiz> ok. idk that
[14:53] <cfhowlett> !server | linuxboobiz
[14:57] <Benemy> thanx people. Ima try switching the boot flag around and see what happens.
[15:02] <LarsN> can someone point out what it is I'm doing wrong here?
[15:02] <LarsN> lars@lynskee:~$ sudo route add -net $PublicAddress netmask 255.255.255.255 gw $VPNGateway dev vpn0
[15:02] <LarsN> SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[15:03] <LarsN> I can ping the VPNGateway address,  So I don't believe it's that network that's unreachable.
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> LarsN  first on my mind: the remote machine must allow to be reached or controlled by another computer, that's a setting somewhere
[15:07] <MonkeyDust> LarsN  is it a linux - linux connection?
[15:07] <LarsN> MonkeyDust: why would that be the case?  I'm just trying to adjust my local routing table.
[15:07] <kilonux> cfhowlett:  example: trying to open bluetooth-settings (i have the icon up right corner) , or the system-settings in the application-menu, never leads anywhere
[15:08] <dav1dp0101> Does anyone know if there is a supported package on Aptitude called 'alsa-plugins'? I see it on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins but when I try to 'sudo apt-get install alsa-plugins' I get E: Unable to locate package alsa-plugins. I'm running ubuntu-server 14.04LTS.
[15:08] <LarsN> Effectively tere's a host on the internet that white lists access.  Our office is on the whitelist,  so I'm just trying to pipe access to that host through our office VPN
[15:09] <LarsN> MonkeyDust: ^
[15:09] <AdAMIM> hello ladies
[15:09] <theguy415> How to create a time based wallpaper (like the defaul installed one) in ubuntu?
[15:09] <kilonux> cfhowlett:  and every startup gives error messages
[15:09] <kilonux> ---system start up
[15:10] <kilonux> or wake from suspend
[15:10] <LarsN> MonkeyDust: but to answer your question, the remote machine isn't one I control, it is however running linux.
[15:11] <hw> hi, i was wondering why the openvpn package doesn't come with an upstart script?
[15:12] <netlar> I remember in 13.04 that you could do a Unity search on appication menus, can you still do that?
[15:14] <wheatthin> hw, are you sure that it didn't? Or that you possibly hadn't enabled it?
[15:14] <hw> wheatthin: what i meant is that it comes with a shell script in /etc/init.d/openvpn but not an upstart script in /etc/init/openvpn
[15:15] <hw> i was wondering if the process would be restarted automatically in case the vpn connection dropped (like upstart would do)
[15:15] <wheatthin> hw, maybe it has to wait until other hardware is initialized
[15:16] <frib> does ubuntu 14 properly utilize the speed switching feature (low speed vs. turbo speed) of 4th generation intel cpus?
[15:16] <wheatthin> frib, I would think so with acpi functions.
[15:17] <frib> wheatthin, is there a way to verify? my laptop is constantly burning up
[15:18] <wheatthin> frib, I think this might do it   cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "MHz"
[15:18] <wheatthin> if the frequency varies, it's switching
[15:19] <Blackthorn> I run older windows 2003 server and simply can not afford to upgrade to another windows platform. I have loaded a few *nix versions here and there. And I've narrowed it down to Ubuntu server or perhaps centos. For my first install I want to add the dns and radius services. How secure is the ubuntu server after a clean install?
[15:21] <wheatthin> frib, sudo dmidecode -t processor | grep Speed
[15:21] <Blackthorn> And do you know if you can run ubuntu server on Citrix Xen server 6.2.0
[15:21] <wheatthin> frib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8115047/
[15:22] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, you'll have to compare your chipset with the HWCL
[15:24] <Blackthorn> each of my servers run 3-4 win server 2003, and i'm using asus p5vb-c motherboards and intel xeon processors
[15:25] <_shrine> why win server?
[15:25] <cfhowlett> !server | Blackthorn,
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> Blackthorn  sure you're in the right channel? this is for ubuntu
[15:25] <_shrine> ^^
[15:26] <wheatthin> that's why he's asking if Ubuntu can run on them.. I told him to check the hardware compadibility checklist
[15:27] <Blackthorn> Yes, i was trying to explain what I am running, and I'm wanting to repalce my win server 2003 servers that are running on top of citirx xen server with ubuntu server edition
[15:27] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, most likely, Yes.
[15:27] <frib> wheatthin, it says the max is 2400 Mhz as well as the current
[15:27] <frib> wheatthin, as I expected
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> Blackthorn  ok, type /j #ubuntu-server and ask there
[15:27] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, I'm running dual quad xeon server that was supposed to be for win 2003 server.
[15:28] <Blackthorn> thanks for the link monkey.
[15:29] <wheatthin> frib, yeah my cpu's are 2.66ghz, so the 2600mhz is at full speed. Boost is 5000? I dunno about that, but I think that might be complete maximum voltage before utter destruction.. I could be wrong :P
[15:30] <Blackthorn> and the suggestions from everyone else
[15:30] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, Nope.. just check your chipsets, and make sure.
[15:30] <frib>  wheatthin well my cpu I know is not supposed to run at 2.4ghz always
[15:30] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, More than likely, Ubuntu will run just great.
[15:31] <wheatthin> frib, and why wouldn't it? Isn't boost supposed throttle up from normal?
[15:31] <frib> wheatthin, yes when under heavy load, not always
[15:32] <wheatthin> frib, right.. normal being 2.4ghz
[15:32] <dyy> exit
[15:32] <frib> wheatthin, oh wait.. my cpu max speed is actually supposed to be 3.5 now that i think about it
[15:32] <wheatthin> see :)
[15:33] <dw1> frib: install indicator-cpufreq and it will scale down when not in use ?
[15:33] <Blackthorn> i'm having a little difficutly finding where to check the chipsets.. i went to the ubuntu website clicked on hardware. my chipsets are intel bigvy-v (intell 3200 memory controler) and southbridge is intel ich7r
[15:33] <wheatthin> yes, it should scale down to normal from the boost, back down to 2.4ghz
[15:34] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, you should be fine man.. if you have any doubts, try booting a livedvd
[15:34] <Blackthorn> kk
[15:34] <BigMike-`> is this a genuine ubuntu main repo??   http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/f/file-roller/
[15:34] <frib> dw1, i just realized its not running at max speed
[15:35] <frib> dw1, but now i also realize that it won't turbo boost when needed if it thinks this is max speed as according to dmidecode -t processor
[15:35] <dw1> BigMike-`: it would appear to be a mirror
[15:35] <frib> my cpu: http://ark.intel.com/products/75117/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
[15:35] <poutch__> bonjour
[15:35] <dw1> frib: im lost, i dont overclock :p
[15:35] <BigMike-`> dw1:  Ah....So, apt-get  won't use that repo ?
[15:36] <frib> dw1, me neither i think this is a new feature from intel
[15:36] <wheatthin> dw1, his chipset overclocks on demand
[15:36] <dw1> BigMike-`: dont know, it might smartly choose a good mirror for you
[15:41] <wheatthin> is that possible that my xeon processors could go up to 5000mhz/5Ghz with the right cooling?
[15:42] <wheatthin> 	Max Speed: 5000 MHz
[15:42] <wheatthin> 	Current Speed: 2660 MHz
[15:43] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I followed the instructions here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=171729 And I get the following error when I try to run jackd: ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode
[15:43] <dav1dp0101> And: cannot load driver module alsa
[15:45] <wheatthin> frib, sudo watch -n 1  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[15:47] <wheatthin> hmm.. my xeons idle with 2Ghz, and then throttles up to 2.66
[15:48] <frib> mine is saying 800k constantly and rarely jumping up to 2.x
[15:48] <wheatthin> nice :)
[15:48] <wheatthin> frib, now do something like a compile and see it throttle
[15:49] <wheatthin> frib, I'm running blender 3d in an animation player, so it throttles a lil on each core randomly
[15:50] <SCHAAP137> ok dav1dp0101, then i don't rly know, i would suggesting to revert the changes to ~/.asoundrc
[15:50] <SCHAAP137> to restore the earlier setup
[15:50] <SCHAAP137> and work again from there
[15:50] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, yes, I've done that and I'm continuing to troubleshoot. I'm not sure what to do next.
[15:51] <SCHAAP137> mhm, me neither, not yet at least
[15:53] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, ok, well let me know if you think of something. I'm gonna take a break and mull it over.
[15:53] <frib> wheatthin, i actually don't have time to tinker with all of this but as long as i know i'm not over-using the cpu then it's fine
[15:56] <anarkhos> what's the correct way of using the xforcevesa boot code? just "xforcevesa" or "xforcevesa=xforcevesa"? ive seen both suggested. also, should i add the "nomodeset" option as well?
[15:59] <wheatthin> frib, well on your own time :) of course for curiosity sake
[15:59] <wheatthin> lol
[16:02] <LinuxTim> Needing help with xubuntu
[16:02] <compdoc> one can only ask
[16:03] <LinuxTim> how do you move the xubuntu xfce panel to the bottom
[16:03] <kilonux> hello I run : gnome-control-center and get : bus error ( core dumped)  any advice?
[16:04] <somsip> :q!
[16:04] <zerowaitstate> is there a tool in linux that shows a clear breakdown of memory usage of process trees on the machine? i've used htop, but the memory statistics it shows are not aggregated
[16:08] <emma> hi
[16:08] <_shrine> dat emma
[16:08] <emma> i search help for install sound card,
[16:09] <_shrine> what is the issue?
[16:10] <emma> i have try to read and type the process to install it but no result
[16:10] <emma> its the sound card tascam us 122
[16:10] <emma> the old
[16:10] <kilonux> somsip: what does "q!" mean?
[16:12] <zerowaitstate> kilonux: he was in the wrong window :) That's the command to stop vim
[16:13] <MonkeyDust> :q! means quit and overwrite :)
[16:13] <_shrine> I always wq
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: I thought :q!   was force quit, you need to add 'w' to write
[16:14] <_shrine> lol
[16:15] <Guest82581> hey can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[16:15] <emma> hi
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Guest82581: probably better in #linux
[16:18] <anarkhos> are you able to find pm-quirks in the repositories?
[16:19] <Guest82581> hey can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[16:20] <frib> can anyone recommend a DE that consumes little power?
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip  you're 'write'
[16:21] <MonkeyDust> frib  i use lxde in this virtual machine, it's alot faster than unity... or is that not what you mean
[16:22] <frib> MonkeyDust, i'm trying to improve battery life
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: ba-dum!
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> frib: why use a DE at all? Just use Openbox or Fluxbox as standalone WM and ditch the DE :)
[16:23] <frib> ActionParsnip, I don't know what those are
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> frib: install fluxbox, log off and log in to the fluxbox session
[16:23] <frib> ok, i can leave my DE intact if i don't like it anyway right
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> frib: you can just log off and log back on to the session you are on nowq
[16:24] <frib> 4.0 ms/s     126.1        Process        cinnamon --replace <---- this seems to be consuming most of my battery, along iwth firefox
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> frib: you use right click to access apps, super light :)
[16:24] <eeee> frib: try enlightenment, it's very quick
[16:25] <frib> ActionParsnip, cool i'm going to relog right now
[16:25] <frib> eeee, first i'll try fluxbox thx
[16:26] <Guest82581> hey can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> Guest82581: ask in #linux
[16:28] <frib> is there any way i can have  likea a  quick launch bar in this fluxbox?
[16:30] <frib> i can't even open a terminal or find firefox :\
[16:32] <frib> how do you change volume / see battery life in fluxbox?
[16:35] <vominh> try to typing
[16:43] <Amis> Hello! I have two Ubuntu 12.04 LTS machines, one at home and one at work. The home computer is accessible from anywhere on the internet however my work computer is not. Currently I can fiddle on my work computer with Teamviewer but is it possible to open up a ssh connection to my home computer then reverse?
[16:43] <Amis> reverse it*
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> Amis  you can use Remmina, but make sure both pc's are 'visible', that's a setting you have to un/check
[16:45] <SchrodingersScat> Amis: I think what you described is fine, look up reverse tunnels, man ssh
[16:46] <Amis> MonkeyDust, I can reverse Remmina once the connection is established?
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> Amis  lemme try, i use it for my VM
[16:47] <Amis> SchrodingersScat, I'm doing that right now but making sure if there is any bumps that could permanently disble my teamviewer connection for the weekend
[16:47] <Amis> there are*
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> Amis  just ssh? that can be done from the terminal
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> Amis  reverse ssh doesnt sem to work
[16:50] <Amis> I may have missed one key element: I'm trying to forward the X aswell
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> Amis  ok, ssh works, now trying -X
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> Amis  Cannot open display, even after DISPLAY=:0.0
[16:54] <annoymouse> I'm back
[16:55] <annoymouse> Which should I pick for the bootloader installation (https://i.imgur.com/J2JVfLp.jpg)?
[16:56] <annoymouse> Shit... Didn't mean for the )? To be a part of the link
[16:56] <annoymouse> Whoops sorry for the cursing (again)
[16:56] <k1l> annoymouse: bootloader got to sit in the first drive that is booted
[16:57] <k1l> or do you want a intsall on the usb drive?
[16:57] <annoymouse> k1l: so same as /?
[16:57] <annoymouse> On the USB drive
[16:57] <hamiltont> on 14.04, how can I force the MOTD to be regenerated?
[16:57] <hamiltont> I've update the /etc/update-motd.d scripts, but it's been 5 minutes and I still see the same message
[16:57] <k1l> annoymouse: then choose the usb
[16:58] <k1l> annoymouse: and then choose the usb in the pc-boot order or list to be booted to boot up ubuntu
[16:58] <annoymouse> The device, or the root partition?
[16:58] <k1l> device. bootloader got to be sit in the MBR
[17:01] <annoymouse> Thanks k1l
[17:02] <Ziber> What's the proper way to mount an nfs share on ubuntu?
[17:03] <Amis> I think I found a bit of an insane workaround
[17:04] <Amis> I install a VPN server on my home comp then connect to that from my work comp. That way I have a direct connection to my work computer with whatever port forwards I want
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> Amis: why not use an SSH tunnel, little easier
[17:08] <Delta706> I would like to know if ubuntu supports all usb microphones
[17:09] <tomodachi> ms cd -
[17:09] <o11c> Hi, I just tried to download Ubuntu, and I got a 403 error
[17:10] <o11c> http://ubuntu.mirrors.pair.com/releases/14.04.1/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:10] <yourfunworld> I love the new Ubuntu desktop
[17:10] <o11c> (I did manage to find a working download, just thought you should know)
[17:10] <wafflejock> o11c: yeah mirror is probably down
[17:11] <yourfunworld> hi o11c
[17:11] <Ziber> I've got a virtual nas appliance running, but I can't seem to mount it to an ubuntu server... any thoughts?
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> o1try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/trusty/daily-live/current/
[17:11] <Adam_ActiveState> anyone have links to videos from linux conf in chicago?
[17:11] <wafflejock> Delta706: http://www.sal.ksu.edu/faculty/tim/linux_mics.html
[17:11] <Adam_ActiveState> at least the keynote?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: how have you tried to mount it?
[17:12] <wafflejock> Adam_ActiveState: no I'm in Chicago but totally spaced the conference
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: what technology does the NAS use to share the storage with?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: can you ping the NAS?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: detaiils......
[17:12] <Ziber> ActionParsnip: mount <ip>:/path/to/share, mount -t nfs <ip>, a few others
[17:12] <At00mic> How do I cloak in my account? I need to ask a person of the staff?
[17:12] <Ziber> I can ping the share
[17:13] <Ziber> It's using nfs.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#Mounts
[17:13] <wafflejock> Adam_ActiveState: also looks like they had live streams of the keynotes so perhaps they'll post the recordings soon http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-north-america/program/live-video-stream
[17:13] <trism> At00mic: ask in #freenode
[17:14] <Adam_ActiveState> wafflejock: nothing yet though, eh?
[17:14] <At00mic> ok thank you
[17:14] <Adam_ActiveState> youtube search it is then...
[17:14] <wafflejock> Adam_ActiveState: nope didn't see anything
[17:14] <Ziber> getting "wrong fs, bad superblock..." error.
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: have you fsck'd the data?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: you may need to use a different superblock
[17:15] <Ziber> well, i'm doing this all via openfiler, i thought it would've set it up however I needed automatically.
[17:16] <Ziber> on the appliance itself, it's mounted.
[17:16] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: you will need to unmount it and fsck it, sounds like the data isnt healthy
[17:16] <Delta706> thanks wafflejock
[17:17] <Ziber> hm
[17:17] <wafflejock> Delta706: yeah basically just YMMV will have to search around a bit once you find one you think you want
[17:19] <Delta706> wafflejock: my interest is in a USB adapter since I am getting a hum when recording which might be due to interference
[17:19] <wafflejock> Delta706: yeah definitely I've done some recording and my internal stuff gets lots of system noise
[17:20] <wafflejock> Delta706: I've considered a USB mic too since currently I just have a cheap headset and want to do tutorial videos
[17:20] <wafflejock> Delta706: but so far haven't bought one yet
[17:20] <trink> best soccer tips http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx
[17:20] <Delta706> if I post the mp3, could you listen to it, to see if it is interference
[17:21] <wafflejock> Delta706: I used Adobe Audition to clean up the audio in my case but it still didn't come out great and was tedious... I'll take a listen and can tell you what I think, not a sound engineer by any means though
[17:21] <Delta706> I used audacity and it cleaned it up nicely but I need a live solution
[17:22] <wafflejock> Delta706: I actually didn't try with audacity, Audition is good my original capture was just very rough and didn't realize it until I had recorded everything (wasn't using a headset to test the audio)
[17:23] <Delta706> just let me post the audio, then I will come back with a download link
[17:23] <wafflejock> cool
[17:27] <priuon> hello. why would ubuntu actually read and write date when moving it within the same partition?
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> priuon: what is "it"?
[17:29] <priuon> ActionParsnip: the data
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> priuon: your question has no context, so has no meaning
[17:29] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Files
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> priuon: what files?
[17:30] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I am copying 70GB of files from one folder to another where both folders are on the same partition of the same physical harddrive.
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> priuon: ok, much better
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> priuon: so are you asking if the creatin dates get updated?
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> *creation
[17:30] <priuon> ActionParsnip: thunar as well as mc actually read the files and apparently write it to another place on the partition. This is a sever failure in procedure.
[17:31] <Delta706> wafflejock: go to https://www.sendthisfile.com/hhNce1Wd8liVL7CeW87k2U1y and click on xx.mp3 to download it
[17:31] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I am asking why ubuntu fails to conform to simple filesystem operation principles.
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> priuon: ext4 is standardized and ubuntu obeys them
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> priuon: if you feel somethig is amiss, you can always report a bug
[17:31] <RobbieCrash> you're copying data, not moving. Of course it reads and writes it.
[17:32] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Do you say that this is defined as such with the ext4 fs?
[17:32] <priuon> RobbieCrash: I am moving
[17:32] <omario> hello
[17:32] <priuon> RobbieCrash: sorry that was a typo above
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> priuon: i dont know the standard activity for ext4, but standards exist for a reason and ubuntu will follow them
[17:34] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Right. And I can't see how moving files as explained above will result in such a meaningless strain of a harddrive
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> priuon: not had an issue myself, does the same in many OSes as far as I have seen ever
[17:35] <priuon> ActionParsnip: ActionParsnip: Where can I read up on such definitions?
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> priuon: they are freely available online for all to see
[17:36] <priuon> ActionParsnip: they actually define that moving files within a partition will do such a nonsense?
[17:36] <priuon> "such nonsent"
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> priuon: its not nonsense
[17:36] <wafflejock> priuon: it has to update the inodes that have the file information like an index for the drive, ext4 is a journaling file system so it logs info about what is going to be done before it's done
[17:36] <wafflejock> priuon: windows is aweful about moving/copying files in my experience linux has been much better
[17:37] <moral_> I am trying to compile VLC 2.1.5 from source and it's complaining about "Can't read /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.la: No such file or directory" I've confirmed libxml2.la is not in that directory nor can `locate` locate it. I've removed libxml2-dev then reinstalled it. Then forced reinstalled it. Can anyone push m ein the right direction? Should I just compile libxm2 from source??
[17:37] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Why is it not nonsense? There is no upside on having this r/w operation
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> priuon: the journal is fantastic for data reliability
[17:37] <fantasma> alguem sabe algum programa para criar um boot do ubuntu no pendrive?
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> priuon: ever used SQL?
[17:37] <fantasma> que rode direto no ubuntu
[17:38] <wafflejock> Delta706: actually it kind of sounds like a ground loop problem or something the noise I typically hear from my machine (this might vary I'm not sure) sounds more high pitched and variable
[17:38] <priuon> wafflejock: yeah well updating the inodes etc is a task of seconds. I am talking about GByts of files read, written and deleted. I can just not see a reason to implement something like that.
[17:38] <priuon> ActionParsnip: yeah I have used MySQL.
[17:38] <k1l> !br | fantasma
[17:38] <fantasma> okay
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> priuon: so you will know about database log files, and how they are used and why they are sometimes more valuable than the actual database files themselves...yea
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> s?
[17:39] <priuon> ActionParsnip: honestly where is the move operation for the ext4 fs defined. And is there another fs that defines it correctly?
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> priuon: I dont have time to search the web for you, I'm sure you can do that yourself
[17:40] <wafflejock> priuon: not sure about that typically when I've moved things but they're staying on the same drive I haven't seen major performance issues at all how are you testing/extracting info would like to verify
[17:40] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I hoped you had an official source.
[17:40] <priuon> ActionParsnip: If you don't have I don't ask you to search
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> priuon: in short, the journal is making a list of all tasks completed so in the event of suddent power off, the data is not baked and you will see "replaying journal" when the drive comes back online
[17:41] <wafflejock> Delta706: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)
[17:41] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I myself just never find reliable=official sources
[17:41] <userings> It's not all about the fact that Linux file systems are journal. Linux and ext fs'es has better allocation algorithms than NTFS and Windows.
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> priuon: if you use ext2, you wont have this, the data will be much faster and you will use your drive less but a sudden power off and your data will probably be damaged
[17:42] <priuon> ActionParsnip: yeah well, that does not have anything to do with what I asked.
[17:42] <rim-k> still can't get my wifi working on ubuntu 14.04
[17:42] <rim-k> thinkpad t440s
[17:43] <rim-k> Realtek wifi
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> priuon: it does, the time taken to write the journal takes time
[17:43] <rim-k> I would appreciate any help
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: what is the output of:    sudo lshw -C network
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: us a pastebin to hold the output, like http://pastie.org
[17:43] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu is reading writing and deleting 70GB of files for no reason.
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> priuon: how do you know?
[17:44] <priuon> ActionParsnip: updating the inodes would have sufficed. These are some 50 files or so.
[17:44] <omario> apple is good
[17:44] <priuon> ActionParsnip: because it is showing me that it does.
[17:44] <rim-k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8115966/
[17:44] <Delta706> wafflejock: thanks for the wikipedia page.  would it indicate that my sound card is badly installed?
[17:44] <rim-k> ActionParsnip:
[17:44] <eli__> Hello
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> priuon: so you see individual files vanish as the move operation completes?
[17:45] <priuon> ActionParsnip: you don't really want to imply that Ubuntu's monitoring is fraud?
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: and the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[17:45] <omario> hey eli
[17:45] <eli__> I have a problem after upgrading to 14.04. Maybe a privileges issue? No idea...
[17:45] <rim-k> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[17:45] <priuon> ActionParship: I am not watching the fs manually.
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> priuon: is that what you are seeing though, individual files being made as they are removed from the source?
[17:45] <rim-k>  3.13.0-34-generic
[17:46] <wafflejock> Delta706: I'm not sure really it just sounds more like the "hum" I've heard from TVs in a building where there are ground loop problems, from what I've read around about it there are some things you can do to ground wires in the building that will fix it because it has to do with power that is floating in the wires or other metal that isn't properly grounded in the building
[17:46] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I see a transferrate
[17:46] <wafflejock> Delta706: I'm might be totally off though
[17:46] <moral_> I am trying to compile VLC 2.1.5 from source and it's complaining about "Can't read /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.la: No such file or directory" I've confirmed libxml2.la is not in that directory nor can `locate` locate it. I've removed libxml2-dev then reinstalled it. Then forced reinstalled it. Can anyone push m ein the right direction? Should I just compile libxm2 from source??
[17:46] <eli__> This is the first time I use this chat, after 7 years of using ubuntu. What do I have to do to get any help?
[17:46] <wafflejock> Delta706: just a guess
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> priuon: yes, but what actually happens on the drive itself?
[17:46] <priuon> ActionParsnip: my hw indicator shows hdd-access.
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: if you run:   dmesg | grep -i firm     what is output (if anything)?
[17:47] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I doubt that the datatransferrate is fraud as said above.
[17:47] <wafflejock> !ask | eli__
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> eli__  ask a question and wait, repeat your question 10-15 minutes later, all in one line
[17:47] <Delta706> wafflejock: would the ubuntuforum be the place to look for experts?
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> priuon: fine, but what is happening on the drive as the move occurs?
[17:47] <priuon> ActionParsnip: this is just a serious loss of resources. It's madness!
[17:47] <eli__> Thanks
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> priuon: how have you seen what is happening on the drive as the data is moved?
[17:47] <Guest92979> hello
[17:48] <wafflejock> Delta706: not really sure on that one ubuntuforum is good but for audio stuff there might be better places, like I recently started playing with phone systems and there are dedicated Asterisk and SIP forums so something audio specific might be good
[17:48] <wafflejock> Delta706: someone who can listen to that file and tell you more definitively what it is
[17:48] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I have not read the sources and or the definitions. So I don't know. All I know is that ubuntu is reading and writing 70GB from A to A.....
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> priuon: as far as I can see you are assuming taht because its taking longer than you would like, you are assuming taht the data is being copied, deleted then moved in some way.
[17:48] <Guest92979> i really need help with ubuntu!!! i want to format my whole HD via terminal!! don't know how....
[17:49] <Delta706> wafflejock: thanks, I will try the audacity site
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: you can use mk2fs  on an unmounted partition and it will wipe it
[17:49] <wafflejock> Delta706: do you have any alternative mics to try to reproduce to determine if it's mic related or system related? also could you use this mic on another device (perhaps a phone) those things might help narrow it down
[17:49] <Guest92979> ok
[17:49] <wafflejock> Delta706: yeah good luck
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> priuon: when really, you dont know how the file system works nder teh hood
[17:49] <eli__> Ubuntu does not mount my ereader nor any USB drive when plugging in. It says: unable to mount, not authorized (I also have other issues)
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> *the
[17:49] <priuon> ActionParsnip: obviously... updating 200 inodes won't take 20 minutes. this are some 200 maybe 64 bit values to be edited...
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> priuon: all I can suggest is report a bug
[17:50] <rim-k> [    0.189927] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[17:50] <rim-k> [    6.039353] psmouse serio2: trackpoint: IBM TrackPoint firmware: 0x0e, buttons: 3/3
[17:50] <rim-k> ActionParsnip:
[17:50] <Delta706> wafflejock: thanks
[17:50] <Guest92979> can you give me a universal terminalcommand for formating HD
[17:50] <priuon> ActionParsnip: So if what I say is actually happening you agree that it is a bug then?
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: what file system do you want to use? There is no universal command
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> priuon: if what you say is happening then its either a bug or Ext4 is not as great as it says (in some cases)
[17:51] <Guest92979> under windows i would type : format C      what do i need to write in ubuntu?
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> priuon: considering its been the default in Ubuntu for a long time now, i'd say it was fine
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> Guest92979  boot a live cd, use gparted, delete partition
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1239578
[17:52] <Guest92979> yes, but i want to format the whole HD
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: try:  sudo modprobe rtl8192ee     see if it loads ok?
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> Guest92979  ok, use gparted to delete all partitions, then format to what you want
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: yes, to what file system? Ext4? Ext3? ZFS?
[17:53] <eli__> !ask |eli_
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: just like in Windows, you need to specify the file system when you format
[17:53] <Guest92979> says: terminal -> gparted  and ready?
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: the default may be NTFS, but it is still set
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: gparted is a GUI app. I though you wanted to do it in terminal?
[17:54] <MonkeyDust> Guest92979  no, boot from a live cd, you cannot format it while you're using it
[17:54] <rim-k> 10:51 < ActionParsnip> rim-k: try:  sudo modprobe rtl8192ee     see if it loads ok?
[17:54] <rim-k> I did compiled the module
[17:54] <rim-k> and loaded it
[17:54] <rim-k> but it ended up with a kernel panic
[17:54] <wafflejock> eli__: why do you think you have a permissions problem after upgrading (someone mentioned something similar yesterday and installed gdm and it fixed their problem want to know if your problem is the same but no details)
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: ah
[17:54] <rim-k> I had to blacklist it to correctly boot
[17:54] <Guest92979> can we switch to 1-1 conversation ActionParsnip, i don't exactly understand the format thing...
[17:55] <wafflejock> !details | eli__
[17:55] <eli__> wafflejock: Ubuntu does not mount my ereader nor any USB drive when plugging in. It says: unable to mount, not authorized.
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: format means to wipe the data from a partition
[17:55] <rim-k> ActionParsnip: that was odd
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: that does sound similar
[17:55] <priuon> ActionParsnip: While porting to linux I also lost valuable revision data (all files are the same now). I still pity that case. There was some unanalysed scientific data in one version that is lost now.
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: they said couldn't mount, couldn't adjust wifi couldn't adjust users
[17:55] <eli__> wafflejock: also, I can't install from software center
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> priuon: break out the backups
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: we tried checking the /etc/sudoers file and user groups but nothing was working
[17:55] <eli__> wafflejock: also, I can't fix user advanced settings
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: pretty sure the person installed gdm and it fixed it
[17:56] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I think the data didn't have a backup...
[17:56] <wafflejock> eli__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/152256/how-do-i-switch-from-lightdm-to-gdm
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> priuon: cant be that important then....
[17:56] <wafflejock> eli__: you might want to install from the command line since software center isn't working out for ya either it sounds like
[17:57] <eli__> wafflejock: thanks, I'm going to try it right now, let's see if it works
[17:57] <wafflejock> eli__: k good luck
[17:57] <priuon> ActionParsnip: funny. Well not as important as the finished results. no...
[17:58] <wafflejock> priuon: despite the side jabbing, ActionParsnip is right if it is critical data it should be backed up
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> priuon: then you have learned the value of backup the hardest way possible
[17:58] <xadi> #join limtext
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> wafflejock: people love to learn the hard way
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> xadi  try /j #limtext
[17:58] <wafflejock> priuon: rsync is a nice solution
[17:58] <rim-k> ActionParsnip: I guess I just have to wait
[17:59] <wafflejock> ActionParsnip: yeah it happens, I learn from experience sometimes too, it's a hard way
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: could try the kernel from Utopic, from the mainline PPA, just to test
[17:59] <wafflejock> lately using dejadup in Gnome the front end app and all seems to work very well
[18:00] <wafflejock> cool integration in the file chooser too so I can roll back files or folders by right clicking
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> wafflejock: I have a weekly cron'd cp to USB, quick and dirty
[18:00] <rim-k> ActionParsnip: mmmm why not
[18:00] <eli__> wafflejock: ok, I reconfigured it, should I reboot now? (I can't even reboot, shut down or suspend via the menu, I have to do it via command line)
[18:00] <azochniak> @MonkeyDust thanks
[18:01] <wafflejock> eli__: yeah reboot to be safe, logout login is sometimes all you need but reboot and you'll be sure everything new is applied
[18:01] <eli__> ok thanks. if it doesn't work then I'll come here again for help. Thank you very much
[18:01] <wafflejock> eli__: np godspeed :)
[18:03] <klana_Laptop> Hi@all! I have a problem with my UI. When i log in the backround is shown not properly and unity is not loading. Just report error message. I updated a longer time ago from 13.10 auf 14.04 per "UI". Today i had black screen after some search i found that I was still running on the old Kernel. I installed the kernel generic lts trusty. Since then i can login. And now i have the described problem.
[18:03] <wafflejock> ActionParsnip: yeah I use clonezilla after I have a stable system setup so I can always get back to that if all else fails and not lose a day or whatever setting things up, then I was using rsync before switching to Ubuntu Gnome, but like the built in backup they got going here, only problem is duplicity support outside of Linux, but in terms of integrated backup it's pretty awesome
[18:04] <wafflejock> only problem I have in terms of my backup setup is my NAS is totally weak
[18:04] <wafflejock> so that takes some time but since it's incremental backups it's not really a problem with deja dup
[18:05] <wafflejock> I like that the NAS is mirrored (D-Links proprietary X-RAID) though so I keep it running despite having some ancient hardware and software in it... eventually will grab a NUC and setup RAID or something but it's fine for now
[18:07] <unkn-error> are there people with ubuntu installed on Mac (Apple Laptops)? I am curious
[18:08] <wafflejock> unkn-error: not me but I know there are, I think elementary OS is more Mac friendly though I don't have any Mac hardware so just hearsay
[18:08] <DJones> !mac | unkn-error Not something I'bve got, but maybe the Ubottu's link will have info useful to you,
[18:08] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, This a sudden change, no unity, any thing leading up to this?
[18:09] <klana_Laptop> Any Help would be appreciated! I have a NVIDIA card now running on the Ubuntu drivers. Already tried to reinstall unity/nouveau. Didn't help.
[18:09] <wafflejock> !nomodeset | klana_Laptop
[18:09] <wafflejock> if you suspect graphics card problems that might be worth a shot
[18:10] <unkn-error> thx!
[18:11] <klana_Laptop> Beldar last autoupdate isntalled new nvidia drivers which i guess wasn't compatible with the 13.11 kernel and so i got the first problem with blackscreen which i solved with installing new kernel.
[18:13] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, latest kernel is 3.13 besides the possible nvidia isssue I would wonder why your kernels are not upgrading, you might try the nomodeset boot to get a de.
[18:14] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, If you get in run a update and dist-uprade
[18:14] <Beldar> upgrade*
[18:17] <Daekdroom> How do I direct the output a command produces in a terminal to a text file?
[18:18] <miodi> what would be the best laptop option if you would like a free software compatible MBP-a-like with an optical drive?
[18:18] <Cyber> #ubuntu
[18:18] <SchrodingersScat> Daekdroom: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html
[18:18] <Daekdroom> SchrodingersScat, thank you
[18:18] <SchrodingersScat> Daekdroom: another helpful page for bash: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/
[18:18] <Cyber> #xubuntu-br
[18:18] <klana_Laptop> Beldar I did apt-get install linux-generic-lts-trusty and upgrade. now running on 3.13.0-34. That improved the situation from "black" to "login screen -> broken background no unity" i will try the nomodeset
[18:19] <Beldar> miodi, There are so many out there this is actual support not whats the best laptop.
[18:19] <miodi> Beldar, okay
[18:20] <priuon> sorry I got distracted. wafflejock: sure... I think I did a backup but it did the same thing to my backup there. wafflejock: yeah rsync is really nice and thorough. ActionParsnip (gone.. saying anyways): No people hate learning the hardway. Yet they get forced into having to learn it the hard way again and again...
[18:21] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, I would run a unity compiz reset as well. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:21] <Beldar> than reboot
[18:21] <Cyber> join #ubuntu-br
[18:21] <Beldar> Cyber, /join
[18:22] <rim-k> I think I vanished my Win8 partition when installing (replacing 13.10) with 14.04 (+LVM)
[18:22] <rim-k> ...
[18:22] <Beldar> priuon, forced is not a valid argument.
[18:22] <rim-k> I'm wondering how I can confirm this
[18:23] <Beldar> rim-k, can you run sudo parted -l and pastebin it
[18:23] <_shrine> these compiz jiggly windows never make me bored
[18:24] <rim-k> Beldar : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8116209/
[18:24] <rim-k> interesting
[18:25] <Beldar> rim-k, I see a ntfs on sdc a msdos, sda is a gpt any sdb?
[18:26] <priuon> Beldar: maybe not.
[18:26] <Beldar> priuon, maybe?
[18:26] <priuon> Beldar: they don't choose it by free will either
[18:27] <Beldar> priuon, that is another bogus argument. No substance, and by the way freewill is a illusion.
[18:28] <BigHatMonkey> hi there
[18:28] <BigHatMonkey> how are you guys ??
[18:28] <BigHatMonkey> i need some little help
[18:28] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, State the issue please.
[18:28] <Beldar> in one post
[18:29] <BigHatMonkey> is because dropbox always ask for a prompt after every reboot
[18:29] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: thank you very much
[18:29] <BigHatMonkey> im using ubuntu 14.04
[18:30] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, What is the prompt, dropbox has a preferences.
[18:30] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Is the inicial prompt, ask me for my email and password
[18:30] <Kankroc> Anyone here ever had a problem with watching youtube video with Opera on Ubuntu?
[18:31] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: after this, works correctly
[18:31] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: is like the first install, but its show after reboot and power off
[18:32] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, I would make sure all that is correct by un-linking and linking again, you must have made a mistake somewhere in there.
[18:32] <kostkon> !details | Kankroc
[18:33] <subsciou1> Beldar:
[18:33] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Ok, so i keep search about linking and unlinking on google
[18:33] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, You can do it from the dropbox preferences
[18:33] <Kankroc> Alright, I just installed Opera instead of Firefox because I prefer that browser (nothing agains't Firefox). Now for some reasons, when I watch a video on youtube it keeps having some kind of "Hiccup". It's like a 0.5 sec lag.
[18:34] <priuon> Beldar: sorry ... techical issues here.
[18:34] <priuon> Beldar: freewill is a welldefined state as seen from within it's defining system
[18:34] <VolodymyrB> hi, is there any chat for mint?
[18:35] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Ok, i apreciate your time
[18:35] <wafflejock> Beldar: haha I love how flately you state above freewill is an illusion (LOL)
[18:35] <Beldar> !mint | VolodymyrB
[18:35] <Beldar> wafflejock, It is sorry if that is new news to you. ;)
[18:35] <VolodymyrB> thanks
[18:36] <streulma> just a short question: SSD in Optical Bay, HDD in normal place, Macbook Pro 13 inch 2012. GRUB installed on SSD > does not work. Grub installed on HDD > does not work. All blinking cursor. Boot repair did nothing...
[18:36] <Beldar> wafflejock, If you study quantum physics which no one really understands this is apparent.
[18:36] <ITAL0> hello all
[18:37] <MonkeyDust> streulma  short (quick) questions rarely have short answers
[18:37] <wafflejock> Beldar: it almost got me in some fights at work, I've actually heard QM used as an argument for free will (getting way OT though so will drop it)
[18:37] <streulma> :)
[18:39] <stevendumani> hello room please i need help installing nvidia drivers for fx5500 card
[18:39] <stevendumani> ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[18:40] <stevendumani> does it really affect 3D performance in vmware machines? cuz currently im getting (no 3D support, please install the OpenGL drivers for your card..)
[18:41] <stevendumani> I tried using this ppa http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-nvidia-geforce-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-using-ppa/
[18:44] <Kai__> nvidia drivers in vmware?
[18:44] <Kai__> dude
[18:44] <tawmu> Hey guys, anyone any good with ntlm_auth and samba?
[18:44] <Beldar> so many wrongs ther
[18:44] <Kai__> install vmware tools
[18:44] <Kai__> vmware has its own gfx drivers
[18:45] <blablab> hi, what is better between irssi and weechat please
[18:45] <Beldar> blablab, Not even close to support, decide which yo like.
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> Kai__  streulma i use vmware too, even the tools don't offer 3D support
[18:45] <iceroot_> tawmu: #samba
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> stevendumani  ^^^
[18:46] <tawmu> iceroot_: it’s dead :(
[18:46] <klana> Beldar wafflejock ubottu : setting nomodeset brought ubuntu unity back with 3 system errors. but it works. Any further steps i should take? your tip Beldar or installing nvidia drivers?
[18:47] <stevendumani> Kai__ not in vmware, but vmware guests performance is not as good as it should, vmware tools are installed, but each time I boot winxp (vmware client) I get a msg from vmware saying (install openGL drivers to get 3D support in the guest machines)
[18:47] <Kai__> ah ok
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> stevendumani  not only with xp, also with windows7 and ubuntu
[18:47] <Guest82581> Can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[18:47] <stevendumani> exactly MonkeyDust
[18:48] <wafflejock> klana: yeah you may want to go with the nvidia proprietary drivers er whatever Beldar suggested
[18:48] <Kai__> if you're running ubuntu why don't you install proprietary drivers directly from system settings?
[18:48] <stevendumani> so now I have unmet dependencies.. and conflicts
[18:48] <klana> wafflejock he suggested resetting unity http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:48] <Kai__> They're available in the additional drivers section
[18:48] <stevendumani> Kai__ I'll try that now, but how?
[18:49] <stevendumani> Kai__ OK
[18:49] <stevendumani> Kai__ thank you
[18:49] <Kai__> That's the first thing you should have tried
[18:49] <Kai__> np
[18:49] <slops17> hey all
[18:49] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Ok, many many thanks, see you soon
[18:50] <stevendumani> Kai__ is it better than the drivers in this ppa? anyway thank you I don't need optimum performance I just need OpenGL support
[18:50] <slops17> whats the best way to disable the grub hold on ubuntu server 14.04. The server is running headless and sometime when i plug a monitor in it will be at a grub boot menu?
[18:50] <Kai__> they will work for sure
[18:51] <wafflejock> klana: might work... from what I've seen if nomodeset fixes the issue it just means there's a problem with the graphics driver but it could be some compiz or unity issue, wouldn't hurt to reset them really
[18:51] <Kai__> with manual installation it's easy to mess things up
[18:51] <uhhh> anyone here?
[18:51] <wafflejock> uhhh: maybe
[18:51] <stevendumani> Kai__ I got "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[18:51] <Kai__> sure
[18:51] <Kai__> about 1715 users
[18:51] <Kai__> oh
[18:52] <Kai__> are any available to download?
[18:52] <stevendumani> Kai__ the only available buttons in the window are "Help" and "Close"
[18:52] <Kai__> or is the list totally empty?
[18:52] <Kai__> ok
[18:53] <Kai__> maybe your gpu is too new for 12.04
[18:53] <uhhh> I'm having NIC issues
[18:53] <uhhh> with my realtek 8723ae
[18:53] <Kai__> oh
[18:53] <Kai__> wait
[18:53] <stevendumani> Kai__ it's too old, it's FX5500 (one of the first PCI Express models)
[18:54] <Kai__> omg
[18:54] <stevendumani> Kai__ but it's supported in that ppa
[18:54] <Kai__> no wonder
[18:54] <Kai__> well
[18:55] <Kai__> might be problematic if it's that old
[18:55] <wafflejock> stevendumani: do the proprietary drivers not work either? generally speaking the nvidia drivers have worked fine for me... I have an X600 now but even with older cards it's mostly worked well
[18:55] <uhhh> ubuntu says:
[18:55] <uhhh> 04:00.2 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0a)
[18:55] <uhhh> 	Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer Device 3537
[18:55] <uhhh> 	Kernel driver in use: r8169
[18:55] <anarkhos> hey wafflejock
[18:55] <wafflejock> ah hello anarkhos
[18:55] <stevendumani> Kai__ btw i have compiz with all the effects and its running fine. just the guest machines performance is a little strange.
[18:56] <uhhh> but my wifi has been prompting for my password to reconnect several times
[18:56] <laze1989> Does anyone know if there are source packages for QT5 for Trusty in the archives?
[18:56] <uhhh> and one time couldn't reconnect at all, but when I booted windows my wifi was still working just fine
[18:56] <Kai__> so you do have opengl support
[18:56] <stevendumani> wafflejoke sorry but what are the proprietary drivers exactly?
[18:57] <Kai__> with free drivers but still
[18:57] <Kai__> official drivers from nvidia
[18:57] <stevendumani> Kai__ I think i do but it's not running on all applications, and from the user reviews of the drivers im trying to install i think it's encouraging
[18:58] <Kai__> proprietary because their source code is not available
[18:58] <stevendumani> Kai__ nVIDIA stopped supporting my card long ago
[18:58] <zetheroo> I have had Ubuntu 14.04 installed since it's release and wanted to give the plasma (kubuntu) desktop a try, so I installed it from SPM. Since then if I revert back to the Ubuntu desktop there are odd goings-on - for instance Pidgin looks like it still has the KDE look, as does Firefox. Also the menus coming from the top bar indicators all have black text which is really hard to read. Any way to fix this without removing the plasma de
[18:58] <Kai__> yup
[18:59] <faribamkm> msg nickserv negarmkm f.karvand@gamil.com
[18:59] <Kai__> That's why you might have some issues with eg. the kernel
[19:00] <Kai__> google up and check if someone has already managed to install those drivers on a modern (3.x) kernel
[19:01] <OerHeks> faribamkm, time to change password
[19:01] <anarkhos> is it bad to search for files on an NTFS partition using lubuntu?
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> Kai__  don't send people away by telling they have to google it, please
[19:01] <anarkhos> or perfectly harmless?
[19:01] <stevendumani> Kai__ I'm resolving the dependencies already, I'm on my way.
[19:01] <OerHeks> https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
[19:01] <Kai__> I'not sending ppl away
[19:02] <Kai__> I just told him what I would do
[19:02] <Beldar> zetheroo, Have you chosen the ubuntu desktop from the login?
[19:02] <stevendumani> btw is there a good way to install kik on ubuntu?
[19:03] <zetheroo> Beldar: yes sure
[19:03] <zetheroo> Beldar: it's all Ubuntu Unity, except for some strange oddities
[19:04] <Beldar> zetheroo, Was the ubuntu desktop the install version originally and did you remove any of it?
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> stevendumani  you mean kiki?
[19:05] <zetheroo> Beldar: was the original, and no, did not remove any part of it
[19:05] <Kai__> ok, back in front of my keyboard
[19:05] <Beldar> zetheroo, I would reset it and do a reboot. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[19:05] <stevendumani> MonkeyDust kik it's a chat client I've heard of, it's on android
[19:05] <Kai__> controlling your desktop using a smartphone via RDP isn't nearly as good :P
[19:06] <Kai__> even if it's a galaxy note 3
[19:07] <Kai__> stevendumani, found something: http://askubuntu.com/questions/153915/how-to-install-drivers-for-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200-on-precise
[19:08] <the_f0ster> if i get locked out of ssh for failed attempts, does this lock my username, or my ip ? my sshd is configured as default
[19:08] <Kai__> if it works for FX5200 then it should work for any FX
[19:08] <Beldar> anarkhos, searching fine, modifying is another manner.
[19:08] <zetheroo> Beldar: will give that a go - thanks
[19:09] <anarkhos> Beldar: modifying as in editing documents?
[19:09] <Rwar> test
[19:09] <Rwar> Hello?
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> Rwar  it works, we see you
[19:10] <Kaiii> dammit
[19:10] <Kaiii> what the hell is with my connection... :/
[19:10] <Rwar> I'm a bit confused..
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> Rwar  aren't we all, sometimes
[19:10] <OerHeks> Kaiii, please watch your language, thanks.
[19:10] <Rwar> I don't normally use these type of chat things..
[19:11] <Rwar> I need some help getting something to work, I'm unsure if this is where I'd ask
[19:11] <MonkeyDust> Rwar  this is IRC, the ubuntu support channel
[19:11] <trijntje> Hi Rwar, just ask your question and people will try to help you
[19:11] <Kaiii> I didn't use the "f" word, come on :<
[19:11] <Kaiii> oh, he's gone
[19:11] <Rwar> I have this old Mac, and I'm trying to switch to Ubuntu so I can use Steam and Skype again (as of this month Steam stopped working for my build of mac).. I was hoping switching would allow me to use those again
[19:12] <Kaiii> how old is this mac?
[19:12] <Kaiii> and, most importantly, what cpu is inside?
[19:12] <Beldar> anarkhos, You ave to have a windows centric app to do configs is all, say a document from word is okay. However windows does do system checks so you want to be aware. If these are just documents and or media etc having a shared ntfs is a better storage.
[19:12] <Rwar> uhm..I don't know.. my grandmother gave it to me.. I'm currently viewing it with Teamviewer
[19:12] <Beldar> have*
[19:12] <Kaiii> press the apple logo and  "About this Mac"
[19:12] <Kaiii> and tell me the cpu name
[19:13] <Rwar> I forgot I restarted it, Logging in now
[19:13] <Kaiii> if it's a PowerPC I'm afraid steam won't run on it because of architecture differences
[19:13] <Kaiii> you can't run x86 binaries on a PowerPC
[19:14] <Rwar> I'm losing track of this chat
[19:14] <Beldar> we a;; are, lol
[19:14] <Kaiii> tetris level 5 :P
[19:14] <Beldar> all*]
[19:14] <anarkhos> Beldar: ok. well what i have in mind now is searching on the NTFS partition for an iso image. that way i wouldn't need to reboot and load xp.
[19:14] <saiarcot895> Kaiii and Rwar: It helps to include the name of the recipient at the start of the message
[19:14] <anarkhos> Beldar: so searching like that is totally fine?
[19:14] <uhhh> I was having NIC issues, some one told me to edit boot options to pcie_aspm=off
[19:14] <Beldar> anarkhos, Yes
[19:15] <uhhh> I haven't d/c'ed from wifi yet, but the signal strength is fluctuating a lot
[19:15] <anarkhos> Beldar: ok good
[19:15] <Beldar> anarkhos, The danger is actually using XP. ;)
[19:16] <uhhh> where as on windows I have no d/c issues
[19:16] <Beldar> on the web anyway
[19:16] <uhhh> I'm assuming it's a driver issue if anyone knows a solution for realtek 8723ae's
[19:16] <anarkhos> Beldar: haha
[19:16] <Beldar> just a joust, I use windows
[19:18] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I fixed it: I had to install a GUI, and refresh/reinstall my device drivers as detailed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> ahh, allright dav1dp0101
[19:19] <dav1dp0101> After that, my sound devices appeared in the input and output drop down lists
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> that is useful information indeed
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> sol u had to install X11
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> ?
[19:19] <dav1dp0101> But before that they didn't even appear, it's like it wasn't detecting any sound cards at all. Now JACK is working with ALSA, and liquidsoap and shoutcast.
[19:19] <dav1dp0101> I installed gnome-3 core
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> that's cool stuff, i hate pulseaudio, considering ALSA - JACK only here as well
[19:20] <SCHAAP137> but afraid to break ubuntu shit
[19:20] <dav1dp0101> It sucks having the whole thing broken, I was worried I would have to wipe the drive clean and start from a fresh OS install.
[19:20] <SCHAAP137> i have Pulse -> Jack -> ALSA here
[19:20] <SCHAAP137> as routing
[19:20] <dav1dp0101> I see
[19:20] <SCHAAP137> some apps grab pulse, others jack
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> good that u fixed it though
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> it is useful info
[19:21] <dav1dp0101> Yep! Thanks a ton for your help.
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> u running supercollider as well?
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> np, just trying to help fellow users
[19:21] <dav1dp0101> No, one day I'm gonna play with supercollider, but probably on OS X! Haha. That's where I do my sound design and music production (Reaper, MIDI, audio interface)
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> if u're into audio/music, and coding, i recommend SuperCollider
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> ah cool, u know what it is
[19:22] <dav1dp0101> The ubuntu server is for my local radio station to have an online audio stream and hourly archived mp3 files for download
[19:22] <SCHAAP137> also cool, ChucK, from princeton university, google it
[19:22] <dav1dp0101> Yeah, I've seen people perform with supercollider live. I am ordering a Korg nanoKontrol2, which my friend used with supercollider.
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> supercollider is awesome indeed, i "studied" sonology @ the hague netherlands conservatory for almost 3 years
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> but i had motivational problems, didnt finish it
[19:23] <loa> hello!
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> still, supercollider is sick
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> sup loa
[19:24] <loa> i have problem with my usb drive. it mounts ok, and i can browse it content, but when it try to add new files, system said that my harddrive is only read only.
[19:24] <blablab> hi, what is better between irssi and weechat please
[19:24] <loa> that's how system mounted it https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.22-23%3A24%3A25.png
[19:24] <loa> you can see that state is rw
[19:25] <dav1dp0101> ah cool! I'm a musician and programmer and I haven't combined the two fields much in the past.
[19:25] <wafflejock> blablab: http://subforge.org/blogs/show/21
[19:26] <blablab> wafflejock, thanks i like the comparison, but you, what is your favorite
[19:27] <wafflejock> blablab: I personally use a GUI based chat Quassel IRC
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> loa, was the content of the USB drive filled from a OSX or windows machine?
[19:27] <blablab> oh ok
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> if so, what is the filesystem on the USB device?
[19:27] <wafflejock> I tried XChat for a bit but can't get used to it, back the day I used mIRC
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> FAT32? HFS+ ?
[19:27] <wafflejock> quassel is a bit of a hog but on a good machine it's nice
[19:28] <loa> SCHAAP137, i think there is ntfs.
[19:28] <loa> i tried to use ntfsfix on it
[19:28] <blablab> wafflejock, i would like to get something similar to this http://pascalpoitras.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/2014-03-07-170223_1600x900_scrot.png
[19:28] <SCHAAP137> okay, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:28] <loa> and it said that all is ok.
[19:28] <loa> 14.04
[19:28] <SCHAAP137> the disk space is not physically full loa?>
[19:28] <loa> good question)
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> ntfs nowadays from standard ubuntu should work with r/w
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> in the early days, we had FUSE
[19:29] <loa> SCHAAP137, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.22-23%3A29%3A04.png
[19:29] <loa> it worked in the morning.
[19:29] <loa> maybe i unmount it unsaifly
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> okay, try eject/unmount
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> then remove
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> then maybe a reboot, and reinsirt
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> see what the result is
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> used any VM's inbetween?
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> processes on the device still running?
[19:30] <wafflejock> blablab: is that Awesome TWM?
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> TWM is cool, but Xmonad is cooler wafflejock
[19:30] <blablab> wafflejock, i dont know sorry
[19:31] <loa> SCHAAP137, yeah. i think i need reboot.
[19:31] <SCHAAP137> try, maybe it will fix it
[19:31] <SCHAAP137> could be hanging stuff, locked process whatever
[19:32] <wafflejock> SCHAAP137: hadn't previously checked that out at all not sure I could get used to the TWM idea really
[19:32] <SCHAAP137> i think xmonad is faily accessible, once you get to know the keycombos
[19:32] <SCHAAP137> havent checked twm that much rly
[19:32] <SCHAAP137> heard good stories about it though
[19:33] <blablab> wafflejock, someone said he use awesome wm
[19:34] <wafflejock> yeah I've always used key bindings for various window tiling tasks but still like my regular feeling windows that I can resize with a mouse
[19:34] <wafflejock> seems to work better multimonitor in KDE or Unity than Gnome really but I like the Gnome winkey to see everything or do whatever
[19:35] <wafflejock> similar to the lense but I think really actually better
[19:35] <klana> Beldar wafflejock ubottu thank you for the help! nomodeset fixed the problem for now. I would have liked to install the proprietary video drivers from Nvidia but in the Additional Driver program i cant chose them. Downloaded driver from side tells me that they are already installed. but there are no Nvidia packages. lshw -c video shows drivers: nvidia. Maybe that's also shown with Nouveau. I leave the status for now how it is. it work
[19:36] <apb1963> what tool and options will let me search for "*avahi*" and return those packages that match and are installed on my system?
[19:36] <wafflejock> apb1963: maybe apt-cache search http://www.tecmint.com/useful-basic-commands-of-apt-get-and-apt-cache-for-package-management/
[19:37] <eli_> wafflejock: gdm does not work, I had to login via command line and revert to lightdm
[19:37] <wafflejock> eli_: ah sorry to hear it you were gone for a while there
[19:37] <Beldar> klana, I know nothing really on nvidia, my goal was getting you to a updated and workable situation.
[19:37] <eli_> wafflejock: because all I saw was a black screen instead of the login screen
[19:37] <mugenbanto> "hi all, am I doing this right? "./~/.fritzing-0.9.0b.linux.AMD64/Fritzing"
[19:38] <mugenbanto> I can't seem to execute the program this way, while I am able to when I get into the folder
[19:39] <wafflejock> eli_: you did it as described here http://www.n00bsonubuntu.net/content/install-gdm-ubuntu-14-04/ ?
[19:39] <wafflejock> mugenbanto: ~/.fritzing-0.9.0b.linux.AMD64/Fritzing should do it
[19:39] <wafflejock> mugenbanto: the ./ is to say current directory run something (as in don't try to find it on the path it's in this folder)
[19:39] <apb1963> wafflejock: apt-cache pkgnames avahi is a very good start
[19:40] <eli_> wafflejock: wafflejock: well, gdm was already installed
[19:40] <mugenbanto> thank you
[19:40] <mugenbanto> that worked wafflejock
[19:40] <wafflejock> cool
[19:40] <z3ro3x> I normally leave my computer run 24/7.  I only turn off the monitor when I goto bed.  Twice in the last week my computer would be completely frozen.  When I wake up and turn my monitor back on and move the mouse or push keys on the keyboard the screen stays black.   Ctrl+Alt+F1 does nothing.  Ping and SSH from another device also does nothing.  My only option is hold the power button and force a hard reboot.  Sleep mode is disabled
[19:40] <z3ro3x> .  Only the screen is automatically turned off after a set amount of time.  This freeze never happens during the day when I leave the computer alone for a few hours and come back to it.  It only seems to happen at night when I sleep.  The only difference I can tell is that I physically turn off the monitor when I sleep.  I'm at a lost of trying to pin point the cause.  I can't make heads or tails of the logs in /var/log.  My mother
[19:40] <z3ro3x>  board is a MSI 870A-G54 and my video card is a Gigabyte AMD/ATI HD7870.
[19:40] <eli_> wafflejock: and the configuration window didn't appear
[19:40] <wafflejock> eli_: ah so you just tried to switch to it but it was a no go
[19:40] <klana> Beldar and we achieved that :) thanks again
[19:41] <apb1963> wafflejock: dpkg -l | grep avahi seems to be the magic incantation
[19:41] <amanthakur> hi guys, I seeking an advice from senior programmers about my programming carreer. Actually, i am confused in choosing the programming field. I have been coding application in C# for windows for more than 3 years now, i also like linux and wants to learn linux device driver development. I am also a RHCE on RHEL 5.0. But i am confused, that which field should i choose to make my carreer in. Shall i go with C# or shall i go with Linux Device Drivers?
[19:41] <amanthakur> ??? I really appreciate if someone can help me decide....
[19:41] <eli_> wafflejock: I tried that way, and also the last message on this thread http://askubuntu.com/questions/152256/how-do-i-switch-from-lightdm-to-gdm
[19:41] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: skip anything from Microsoft
[19:41] <Adam_ActiveState> they are becoming more and more irrelevant
[19:41] <UltraDMA> Hello, the updater of my old 9.10 Ubuntu popped up and requested me to update openssl and libssl. I accepted that (knowing about the recent SSL trouble). But ... the next dialog listed both packages under UNAUTHENTICATED. I aborted and decided to ask you. Is that normal or is my sys under control of the dark forces?
[19:42] <apb1963> I don't know that there's any money in device driver development ?
[19:42] <Adam_ActiveState> almost anything else (besides apple) is better
[19:42] <eli_> wafflejock: maybe I should mention that I do not have that Unity stuff
[19:42] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, do we have good chances of making money in Linux Device drivers?
[19:42] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: you can transition your programming knowledge to ruby, go and many others that will run in containers
[19:43] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: when you go the C# route, you get stuck
[19:43] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: take the time to learn docker, cloud foundry
[19:43] <wafflejock> eli_: ah yea the person yesterday was using Unity not sure if it matters, I upgraded Kubuntu 12.04 -> 14.04 and was generally okay but decided I wanted to try Gnome
[19:43] <Adam_ActiveState> then deploy go, ruby, node.js experiments
[19:44] <wafflejock> eli_: can check some basics on your user account I suppose too
[19:44] <wafflejock> eli_: run groups
[19:44] <wafflejock> in the terminal that should show you in sudo
[19:44] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: use your driver experience to contribute to open source like the linux kernel
[19:44] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, i was thinking to go on a low level programming like C for device drivers, instead of writing web applications.
[19:44] <Adam_ActiveState> it looks very good on your resume
[19:44] <eli_> wafflejock: do I paste the result here?
[19:44] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah it's fine
[19:44] <eli_> wafflejock: sudo groups ---> root
[19:44] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: you can do both
[19:45] <wafflejock> eli_: just groups
[19:45] <wafflejock> eli_: it should tell you current user groups if you don't specifiy an arg
[19:45] <wafflejock> otherwise it expects a username like groups shaun
[19:45] <Adam_ActiveState> the complexity of writing LoB (line of business) applications is way easier
[19:45] <eli_> wafflejock: eli sys adm lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev admin sambashare mythtv
[19:45] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, ah ok good
[19:46] <wafflejock> eli_: oh wait so you aren't in sudo... that might be a problem
[19:46] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: keep your skills up in the harder discipline. you can alway learn a new language or framework
[19:46] <wafflejock> eli_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7477/how-can-i-add-a-new-user-as-sudoer-using-the-command-line
[19:47] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, yes you are right....
[19:47] <kudakwashe> for a person wanting to learn how to program using ubuntu gnu/linux ( so they can understand the ubuntu os better ) which language would be good to start with? wouldn't it make sense to start with bash?
[19:48] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: bash isn't really a full on language
[19:48] <eli_> wafflejock: i added my user to sudo via sudo adduser eli sudo
[19:48] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: it is pretty robust but it's still fairly limited
[19:48] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: i mean as a starting point
[19:48] <wafflejock> eli_: log out and log in then
[19:48] <eli_> wafflejock: ah ok
[19:49] <eli_> wafflejock: thanks, I hope this will solve my problem!!!
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: C is everywhere, lots of python too
[19:49] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah fingers crossed
[19:49] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: i mean, if you learn python, that's a good scripting language, but wouldn't learning bash first help you understand the OS better
[19:49] <Gatis> For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: you know you can grab the source for most everything with apt-get
[19:49] <DJones> !ot | Gatis
[19:49] <Gatis> :D
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: it's good to check out the things you're interested in contributing to
[19:49] <Gatis> Who cares :D
[19:49] <Gatis> hahahaaahaahh
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: then see what you need to know
[19:50] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: can a person develop software for ubuntu withough knowing bash at all?
[19:50] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: say, if all they know is c and python?
[19:50] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: you'll be using the terminal and build scripts but you don't necessarily need to be the one writing them
[19:50] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: seems like knowing bash is neccesary, even the boot process involves bash?
[19:51] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: in an established project that work will already be done
[19:51] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: I'm not saying not to learn about bash I just wouldn't take it to far as a "programming language"
[19:51] <wafflejock> it's more for getting things done
[19:51] <loa> SCHAAP137, reboot solved problem.
[19:51] <wafflejock> start this or that service up or shut it down but not interact with memory etc.
[19:51] <loa> how i hate solve problems with reboots.
[19:51] <loa> i feel abused.
[19:52] <TJ-> kudakwashe: The boot scripts don't rely on bash; only on busybox sh and (da)sh
[19:52] <SCHAAP137> loa: that is a good thing
[19:52] <SCHAAP137> loa: it means there was a malfunction on a application/library level
[19:53] <loa> ok, what i can do with this error? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.22-23%3A52%3A45.png
[19:53] <SCHAAP137> or user level, ;P
[19:53] <loa> i am trying to format my flash stick.
[19:53] <SCHAAP137> hmm, dont know loa
[19:54] <SCHAAP137> does not look familiar loa
[19:54] <kudakwashe> i was disconnected, so yeah bash isn't a programming language, granted
[19:54] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: ah wondered what happend :)
[19:54] <TJ-> kudakwashe: The boot scripts don't rely on bash; only on busybox sh and (da)sh
[19:54] <eli_> wafflejock: it's me again. I logged out and now sudo is on my groups list. But still, devices won't automount, I can't change user settings, or Disks settings...
[19:54] <kudakwashe> which would be the best language to start with in ubuntu would you say?
[19:54] <kudakwashe> using a mobile modem in rural zimbabwe, not very reliable
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: it depends on what part of ubuntu
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: hehe
[19:55] <TJ-> kudakwashe: What do you want to do? there are a wide variety of programming languages used in the various packages that make up Ubuntu
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: different packages written with different things so it sorta depends
[19:55] <loa> SCHAAP137, you meen russian?
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: C is a good general purpose general learning thing
[19:55] <loa> what was that last sentence about.
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: but better if you have a specific goal
[19:55] <SCHAAP137> no, the application, the utility to format
[19:56] <kudakwashe> really i just want to learn how to program but using ubuntu, to understand it
[19:56] <SchrodingersScat> kudakwashe: you can program in almost any language in ubuntu
[19:56] <SCHAAP137> the USB was inserted after boot completed loa?
[19:56] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: better to learn to program separately to some degree, ubuntu has a variety of stuff but some of it is going to be really complex for a beginner
[19:56] <loa> SCHAAP137, yeah. it is another problem.
[19:56] <SCHAAP137> try eject, insert, retry action
[19:56] <loa> i am trying to format it fro gui.
[19:57] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: this is a nice place to just get your feet wet http://www.codecademy.com/
[19:57] <kudakwashe> i thought starting with bash then c
[19:57] <kudakwashe> would give a good understanding of shell then the foundation programming language of the os
[19:57] <SCHAAP137> u have a terminal/ something else open, on a directory @ the device?>
[19:57] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: once you feel like you kinda get the general gist of programming then I would find a package you're really interested in learning about and contributing to and grab the souce
[19:57] <wafflejock> source*
[19:57] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: cant afford the bandwidth ($90 USD per gig)
[19:57] <kudakwashe> need to learn offline
[19:57] <loa> SCHAAP137, i think problem is that earlier i dd on it iso of ubuntu server.
[19:58] <TJ-> kudakwashe: Learn to use and love the man-pages them, they are often invaluable
[19:58] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: understandable
[19:58] <SCHAAP137> loa, ok, dd can be destructive when used in a nonstandard way
[19:58] <SCHAAP137> u can use something like Unetbootin, or Rufus
[19:58] <TJ-> kudakwashe: also, look for the -doc packages for the programs/tools you're interested in, and install them, so you have good resources locally
[19:58] <wafflejock> indeed ^
[19:58] <wafflejock> you don't want out-dated resources
[19:59] <wafflejock> print has a hard time keeping up
[19:59] <ryan_> sup
[19:59] <Beldar> TJ-, Is that from learn to love the rack in the middle ages
[19:59] <TJ-> kudakwashe: If you want a challenge, figure out how to write a HTTP server and HTTP client using *only* Bash
[20:00] <SCHAAP137> loa, maybe u can retry making the USB, with unetbootin
[20:00] <TJ-> Beldar: No, it's from tough love :)
[20:00] <Beldar> lol
[20:00] <Beldar> ;)
[20:00] <kudakwashe> TJ-: sounds a little insane but i do think i'm starting with bash then c
[20:00] <kudakwashe> using vi as my editor
[20:01] <TJ-> kudakwashe: I use vim ... I set myself the challenge of writing the HTTP client and server recently, and it proved surprisingly easy
[20:01] <TJ-> kudakwashe: "man bash" is a real gem
[20:01] <kudakwashe> TJ-: i'm a complete beginner
[20:01] <kudakwashe> though
[20:02] <wafflejock> TJ-: assuming you have TCP taken care of?
[20:02] <wafflejock> TJ-: i mean something outside of bash is handling that level?
[20:02] <kudakwashe> thanks for the advice - got to run - take care
[20:02] <TJ-> kudakwashe: Experiment then... read the manual, try something, figure out why it didn't work the way you expected, fix it, gain the insight, and pick a new challenge :)
[20:03] <wafflejock> TJ-: In one of my Java classes we had to write some of the parts of TCP on top of an emulated UDP socket, definitely learned a lot about how TCP works but haven't really messed with socket programming stuff since then (I do web dev mostly)
[20:03] <TJ-> wafflejock: echo -n "GET / HTTP/1.1\rHost: yourserver.com\r\r" >/dev/tcp/yourhost.com/80
[20:05] <TJ-> wafflejock: I've implemented a full stack on a couple of architectures
[20:05] <napterk_> hi try to unmount a drive, which seems to be still busy. Is there a way to unmount it, though?
[20:05] <wafflejock> TJ-: interesting... so it actually is able to resolve if you have the domain yourhost.com pointing at the machine with that little script?
[20:06] <regno> napterk_, have you tried umount -l ?
[20:06] <napterk_> regno: no not yes
[20:06] <napterk_> regno: no not yet
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> guys, about iptables, the ubottu pages are rather cluttered... how do I allow ssh from any device in 192.168.1.* ?
[20:06] <regno> that should do the trick
[20:06] <wafflejock> TJ-: ah will read here http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-using-bashs-built-devtcp-file-tcpip
[20:07] <napterk_> regno: worked! tried umount -f ...
[20:08] <regno> glad to hear :) Also, you could try to find out which processes are using the files on the mounted device: lsof|grep "/<mountpoint>"
[20:08] <eli_> wafflejock: do I try that gdm thing again, now I am in the sudo group? or does that not make a difference? with lightdm it's still not working
[20:09] <SP33D> does some one in here speak frensh
[20:09] <loa> SCHAAP137, lol, what is broken with dd, need to be fixing with dd.
[20:09] <SP33D> what means TI or TE behind a price
[20:09] <loa> zeroed my flash with dd and all is ok now.
[20:09] <eli_> SP33D: I do speak french
[20:10] <SP33D> eli what means TI after a price
[20:10] <k1l> !ot | SP33D
[20:10] <wafflejock> eli_: well you should have been in the sudo group in 14.04 from what I understand
[20:10] <wafflejock> eli_: you can check your /etc/sudoers file too https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/adding-a-user-to-the-sudoers-list-in-ubuntu-14-04
[20:11] <wafflejock> eli_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43317/what-is-the-difference-between-the-sudo-and-admin-group
[20:12] <eli_> SP33D: maybe "tout inclus"?
[20:13] <wafflejock> loa: heh dd giveth and dd taketh away
[20:13] <eli_> SP33D: all included
[20:14] <SP33D> ya i got it thx
[20:14] <SP33D> it means tax include tax eclude
[20:14] <eli_> wafflejock: oh my god
[20:14] <eli_> wafflejock: i wanted to press quit and enter
[20:15] <eli_> wafflejock: and i didn't press the right keys
[20:15] <eli_> wafflejock: and it recorded the changes
[20:15] <eli_> wafflejock: how can it revert the etc/sudoers file
[20:16] <eli_> wafflejock:
[20:16] <eli_> wafflejocK. i got the message: permission denied
[20:16] <syllopsium> hi, this shouldn't be causing me so much of an issue but it is - how do I stop gnome from loading
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> eli_  don't abuse the enter key, it has rights too
[20:16] <syllopsium> it's not in rc2.d and there is no /etc/init/gdm.conf
[20:17] <loa> lol, dd is overcharged https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.23-00%3A16%3A54.png
[20:17] <alive4ever> If you messed up with /etc/sudoers file, you should boot your system in single user mode or use chroot to fix it.
[20:17] <loa> so it is strange that Disk utility can't format that flash
[20:17] <eli_> MonkeyDust: I apologize for my ignorance... 7 years using linux and still, I make these mistakes...
[20:17] <loa> i just dded iso to that flash.
[20:17] <loa> maybe i need to fill a bug?
[20:18] <eli_> but what can I do now?? is there not a command for reverting the changes or something?
[20:18] <wafflejock> eli_: follow alive4ever's advice here, it happens, I personally use nano cause I could never get used to vi modes
[20:18] <eli_> wafflejock; alive4ever, I don't even know how to do that
[20:19] <wafflejock> eli_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[20:19] <alberto> ciao
[20:20] <alive4ever> Remember to use visudo for editing sudoers file.
[20:21] <junka> does apparmor confine every installed app from the repos or only the ones installed from ubuntu software center?
[20:21] <eli_> alive4ever, wafflejocK: I am a computer science ignorant, I do not understand...:(
[20:22] <wafflejock> eli_: not familiar with grub?
[20:22] <eli_> wafflejock: nope
[20:22] <eli_> 7 years using linux and still an ignorant
[20:22] <wafflejock> eli_: no biggie it's just the program that kick starts the OS, it typically isn't shown if you only have one OS installed
[20:23] <wafflejock> eli_: you able to open that SO link above?
[20:23] <eli_> wafflejock: I have two and it is shown
[20:23] <eli_> yes
[20:23] <wafflejock> ah okay so yeah when you have the one selected you want to get into you hit E
[20:23] <eli_> i ran sudo visudo and it doesn't look like the file has suffered changes
[20:24] <innocent95> Hi folks.
[20:25] <eli_> wafflejock, yes, I've done that before
[20:25] <innocent95> I get an error message when i open my ubuntu it says: System program problem detected, and there are two options button 'Cancel' or 'Report a problem'
[20:25] <eli_> wafflejock: but just a minute, the uncommented lines of my etc sudoers file are:
[20:26] <TJ-> !paste | eli
[20:26] <innocent95> actually i get 4 of them
[20:26] <eli_> i wasn't going to paste everything
[20:26] <eli_> just the starting of each line
[20:26] <eli_> to see if there were missing lines
[20:27] <TJ-> eli_: We usually use pastebin to share file contents, it's much easier than sharing multiple lines of text with 1600 people :)
[20:27] <eli_> Defaults, root, %admin, %sudo
[20:27] <IdleOne> eli_: use the pastebin it is much easier and less spammy in the channel
[20:27] <eli_> TJ: yes, but I am afradi to copy-paste on the terminal while reading a file, I don't want to modifyit!
[20:28] <TJ-> eli_: This is the "/etc/sudoers" from 14.04: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117029/
[20:28] <eli_> and I feel so clumsy
[20:28] <eli_> TJ thanks a lot!
[20:30] <eli_> TJ, wafflejock, alive4ever: I apparently deleted a couple of lines accidentally, but the changes weren't saved
[20:30] <eli_> even if it said: recording
[20:31] <eli_> so the file is OK
[20:31] <wafflejock> eli_: don't worry, it's easy to feel beat up when your troubleshooting problems suppose it's good to mention it's always good to cp fileImGonnaChange fileImGonnaChange.bak just in case
[20:32] <wafflejock> eli_: if you check out the man page on visudo it has options for checking the /etc/sudoers file as well, I'd seen that before but not used it
[20:32] <eli_> wafflejock: I knew about backups but I'm not used to do them. I'll learn about it
[20:33] <eli_> I'll keep that command
[20:33] <wafflejock> yeah simple copy just in case
[20:33] <syllopsium> fuck.. so that's why I'm having so many problems. Seriously, raring ringtail was only supported for 9 months!?
[20:33] <wafflejock> eli_: if you do cat /etc/sudoers              it will just print it out to the console too without opening it for possible editing
[20:34] <IdleOne> syllopsium: yes, please no swearing in here
[20:35] <jhutchins> syllopsium: The price we pay for shiney new software.
[20:35] <syllopsium> *9 months* though?
[20:35] <wafflejock> I just stick with LTSeses
[20:35] <eli_> wafflejock: nice
[20:36] <TJ-> syllopsium: that's 3 months longer than it took to release the next version :)
[20:36] <wafflejock> 14.04 is good for 5 years everywhere at least
[20:36] <syllopsium> seriously? I'm presuming the only way I can upgrade is via cd
[20:36] <syllopsium> and that dist-upgrade is a no
[20:37] <syllopsium> and I'm having a lot of hassle trying to disable unity, and my desktop logon is broken for some reason.
[20:37] <jhutchins> syllopsium: Even RedHat does dist-upgrades now.
[20:37] <TJ-> !eol | syllopsium
[20:37] <jhutchins> syllopsium: Sounds like a clean install might be a good idea anyway.
[20:38] <syllopsium> thank you for the link
[20:40] <wafflejock> yeah I have a ceremony where I upgrade then find some problems, then backup all my data (clonezilla plus NAS backup of regular files), clean install everything is great, move back my files from the NAS realize I need something from the clonezilla image still, make a new clonezilla image restore the old one, move the other files I forgot originally to the NAS re-image to the new system and I'm good :), lucily on my AWS box the server
[20:40] <wafflejock>  upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 went smoother than that
[20:41] <eli_> wafflejock: I read both threads about sudo and admins. I don't know what do I have to do next
[20:42] <wafflejock> eli_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:42] <wafflejock> this utility will make sharing the files with us easier on you and us
[20:43] <eli_> wafflejock: done!
[20:43] <wafflejock> eli_: k cool so now you can do, sudo cat /etc/sudoers | pastebinit
[20:44] <wafflejock> eli_: that should spit you back a URL you can drop here for us to checkout
[20:44] <wafflejock> eli_: also groups | pastebinit
[20:44] <eli_> wafflejock: ooh how nice!
[20:44] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah pretty sweet eh
[20:44] <eli_> wafflejock: first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117108/
[20:45] <eli_> wafflejock: second one http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117110/
[20:45] <wafflejock> eli_: you might also want to try, sudo visudo -c
[20:46] <wafflejock> eli_: nothing popping out immediately but that will check the sudoers file too for syntax problems
[20:46] <eli_> wafflejock: /etc/sudoers: parsed OK /etc/sudoers.d/README: parsed OK
[20:46] <wafflejock> eli_: what flavor of ubuntu is it exactly, you said not using Unity right?
[20:47] <TJ-> eli_: what is the issue? I think I missed it!
[20:47] <wafflejock> TJ-: can't mount drives
[20:47] <TJ-> wafflejock: Thanks. eli_ how are you trying to mount the drives (GUI file-manager, or from the shell) ?
[20:48] <eli_> wafflejock: I think it's gnome. And nope, no unity
[20:48] <anarkhos> "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs" <--- is this about the simplest command there is to mount an NTFS partition as read-only?
[20:48] <eli_> TJ: the drives don't automount when plugging in, after the upgrade
[20:48] <eli_> TJ: and i also have other issues
[20:49] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah no users account permissions etc. right
[20:49] <eli_> TJ: can't change used advanced settings, can't install or uninstall form software center, can't change disks settings
[20:49] <eli_> yeo
[20:49] <eli_> *yes
[20:49] <wafflejock> TJ-: sounded to me like was missing from the admin group, and he originally wasn't in the sudo group
[20:50] <wafflejock> TJ-: but now that's all in place, not sure what else could be wrong... someone yesterday who was using lightdm switched to gdm and for whatever reason that fixed it but not in this case
[20:50] <TJ-> wafflejock: eli_  so "eli" user has recently been added to the "sudo" group?
[20:50] <Grant__> ect-trillek
[20:50] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session?
[20:50] <eli_> TJ: yes
[20:50] <TJ-> eli_: Have you completely logged out and logged in again since adding "eli" to the "sudo" group?
[20:51] <eli_> TJ: yes
[20:51] <arpd> If it helps, my machine still has 7 or 8 terminal sessions connected, can I redirect one of those to my current connection?
[20:51] <eli_> TJ: should I reboot instead of just doing logout-login?
[20:51] <TJ-> eli_: No.
[20:51] <eli_> TJ: but i am on the sudo group now, it says so on groups
[20:51] <TJ-> eli_: I was going to suggest checking the "/var/log/auth.log" but you'd need sudo permissions to do that :)
[20:52] <eli_> i can do sudo on the terminal
[20:52] <wafflejock> TJ-: he can successfully run commands with sudo
[20:52] <wafflejock> right just some gui thing
[20:52] <eli_> (I'm a she, by the way)
[20:52] <TJ-> eli_: OK ... and you can use 'sudo' of course
[20:52] <eli_> yes, I can
[20:52] <wafflejock> eli_: maybe sudo apt-get install gksu --reinstall ?? << TJ-?
[20:52] <eli_> I've been using it all this week
[20:53] <wafflejock> eli_: gksudo is the graphical one that prompts you
[20:53] <TJ-> eli_: Best to focus on one of them, and I think "software center" is the easiest
[20:53] <eli_> aren't all my issues related?
[20:53] <wafflejock> k go with TJ here generally knows best
[20:53] <ryan_> anyone know how to get macbuntu like for xfce to work
[20:53] <eli_> it seems to me as a privileges issue, as I am always getting messages like: "not authorized"
[20:54] <eli_> so i don't run sudo apt-get install gksu --reinstall then?
[20:54] <eli_> and do I check the "/var/log/auth.log" then?
[20:54] <wafflejock> eli_: don't think it can hurt really but TJ- typically has the right track
[20:55] <FreeSome> How do I forward data retrieved using ‘echo’ to my webserver?
[20:55] <wafflejock> eli_: checking the log is no change
[20:55] <eli_> yes, but TJ suggested it
[20:55] <wafflejock> eli_: I always do the things that don't change the system first always good to check the logs when you're having problems really
[20:55] <eli_> maybe to see it on pastebin?
[20:55] <anarkhos> hey again wafflejock
[20:55] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session? I have several local terminal sessions still active (under the same username), can I reroute any of those perhaps?
[20:55] <frib> im trying to turn off monitor with "xset dpms force off" but it only lasts 2 seconds.  anyone know how to fix? thanks
[20:55] <eli_> ah ok sorry i didn't understand
[20:55] <TJ-> eli_: At a terminal shell run the S.C. by typing "software-center-gtk3". This will run it but we should see any errors in the terminal window when they happen
[20:56] <anarkhos> wafflejock: what would you prefer of the following?: "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs" or "mount -r /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs"
[20:56] <TJ-> eli_: Then, in the S.C. GUI try to install some trivial software package so we can trigger the issue. When it fails, take a look in the terminal window and lets see what messages (if any) it reports
[20:57] <wafflejock> anarkhos: not sure what you're asking there my mount foo is limited :)
[20:58] <anarkhos> wafflejock: im just curious about the simplest way of mounting an NTFS partition as read-only
[20:58] <eli_> TJ: 2014-08-22 22:57:45,434 - softwarecenter.backend - WARNING - _on_trans_error: 'AuthorizationFailed(u"('system-bus-name', {'name':  ':1.257'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages",)' '<AptTransaction object at 0x940509dc (aptdaemon+client+AptTransaction at 0xb012680)>' 'five-or-more'
[20:58] <eli_> TJ: sorry, I should have pastebined it
[20:58] <TJ-> eli_: That's fine, it's one line
[20:58] <eli_> TJ: I don't know how to, though
[20:58] <TJ-> eli_: OK, I know where we are now
[20:58] <TJ-> eli_: give me a few minutes to look up the solution; I saw this a few days ago too
[20:59] <eli_> thanks TJ :)
[20:59] <wafflejock> anarkhos: yeah not sure about that
[20:59] <anarkhos> ok
[21:00] <wafflejock> anarkhos: I thought -t was required honestly but perhaps it can autodetect the filesystem
[21:00] <anarkhos> hmm
[21:01] <anarkhos> wafflejock: the longer one certainly works. the shorter one is simpler, but -might- not work, that's your point?
[21:01] <wafflejock> anarkhos: no wrong on that just checked the man page
[21:01] <wafflejock> -t is optional
[21:01] <anarkhos> ok...
[21:02] <wafflejock> anarkhos: think most of the examples I've seen just have it explicitly though
[21:02] <Guest6021> I'm looking to recover my passphrase.  Someone had given me the command line command, but I lost it.
[21:02] <anarkhos> ok
[21:03] <wafflejock> Guest6021: think this is it ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase ~/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[21:03] <trijntje> does anybody know how to report bugs for steam on ubuntu?
[21:03] <Guest6021> I"m gonna try that. thx
[21:04] <wafflejock> trijntje: probably just here http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=912
[21:04] <TJ-> eli_: This is bug 785117
[21:04] <anarkhos> wafflejock: how to check the umask of a partition?
[21:04] <FreeSome> How do I forward data retrieved using ‘echo’ to my webserver?
[21:04] <bekks> anarkhos: partitions dont have a umask.
[21:04] <anarkhos> hmm ok
[21:04] <Sander^lap> how do I set up a second wlan interface (connected over usb)?
[21:04] <arpd> FreeSome: you can use 'netcat'
[21:05] <anarkhos> bekks: so, how do i know what the correct umask is?
[21:05] <bekks> anarkhos: correct umask for what?
[21:05] <wafflejock> anarkhos: yeah you set the umask it's just allowing you to control the permissions http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html
[21:05] <bekks> anarkhos: Did you change the umask?
[21:05] <TJ-> eli_: There's a service that should be running in each user session, PolicyKit, which for some reason isn't enabled for your user's session. So, we need to enable that
[21:05] <wafflejock> bekks: with regard to using mount
[21:05] <FreeSome> Ty arpd will look into that
[21:05] <Sander^lap> how do I set up a second wlan interface (connected over usb)?
[21:06] <awesomess3> FreeSome, echo whatever >> /var/www/output.txt  #? orrrrr...hmm...idk
[21:06] <bekks> wafflejock: Then most likely uid and gid mount options are to be preferred.
[21:06] <anarkhos> bekks: no, but the example of mounting an ntfs partition that i came across includes a part about umask=, so i thought it was mandatory
[21:06] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session? I have several local terminal sessions still active (under the same username), can I reroute any of those perhaps? I am using ubuntu utopic unicorn preview
[21:06] <eli_> TJ: and is that related to my mounting problem, too?
[21:06] <wafflejock> bekks: fair enough I didn't have much info for anarkhos about mount
[21:06] <bekks> anarkhos: Ah, umask on ntfs - thats a workaround actually, since ntfs doesnt know about linux permissions at all.
[21:07] <trijntje> wafflejock, I'm a bit confused by the navigation on that forum. Is the page you linked for bugs about all games or only DogFighter?
[21:07] <anarkhos> bekks: yeah im learning about mounting ntfs partitions as read-only
[21:07] <genaerft> hey
[21:07] <bekks> anarkhos: So mount them as "ro".
[21:07] <eli_> TJ: should i try this? "First thing to do is to check that the policy kit authentication agent is activated in your list of start up programmes."
[21:07] <TJ-> eli_: Yes, it's all because the PolicyKit agent isn't there to get permissions for these privileged operations. I don't use Unity/Gnome so I can't guide you to precisely where to find the Session auto-start programs dialog box is, but maybe wafflejock or someone else who use those can help you there.
[21:07] <StevenXL> Hello everyone; I reinstalled my linux system, but I had created an id_rsa key; how can I import that "identity" into my new system?
[21:08] <genaerft> I changed the board and CPU and RAM and no Grub refuses to boot. because of wrong uuids
[21:08] <wafflejock> trijntje: ah sorry that was just for that game
[21:08] <StevenXL> I have copied the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub key but don't know what to do from there
[21:08] <TJ-> eli_: Yes, that's exactly what you need to do
[21:08] <anarkhos> bekks: here are two examples ive found: "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs" or "mount -r /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs"
[21:08] <eli_> TJ: I use gnome, but not unity. I found the auto-start dialog box
[21:08] <anarkhos> bekks: what do you think is preferable?
[21:08] <TJ-> eli_: Do you see PolicyKit listed there?
[21:08] <wafflejock> trijntje: you have a problem with Steam itself?
[21:08] <bekks> anarkhos: mount the ntfs filesystem as ro.
[21:08] <eli_> nope
[21:08] <TJ-> eli_: That's not going to help then :)
[21:08] <genaerft> do I need to correct the UUIDs? bklid shows no difference (via boot-repair)
[21:09] <bekks> anarkhos: the first command will not force it to be read-only.
[21:09] <anarkhos> bekks: what is the command you would haev used?
[21:09] <anarkhos> ok
[21:09] <bekks> anarkhos: mount -o ro
[21:09] <trijntje> wafflejock, portal2 keeps crashing on a certain community test chamber, bug I guess the portal2 bug page is thishttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1849054
[21:09] <eli_> TJ: can't I add it?
[21:09] <anarkhos> bekks: ok thanks ill try
[21:09] <genaerft> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8116143/
[21:10] <TJ-> eli_: Does this show the file exists: "ls -l /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop"
[21:10] <Sander^lap> Have anyone managed to get a usb wireless card working?
[21:10] <eli_> TJ: oh wait, those were the ADDITIONAL startup programs
[21:10] <mjrbordo> Hello. I have problem with mozilla or system configuration. I mean that on google translete or other similar sites i can't hear the speaker
[21:10] <wafflejock> trijntje: maybe here too https://github.com/ValveSoftware/portal2/issues
[21:10] <eli_> maybe there is another dialog box?
[21:10] <eli_> I will look for it
[21:10] <trijntje> wafflejock, yeah, its not really clear, looks like someone reported the same issue here as well https://github.com/ValveSoftware/portal2/issues/147
[21:11] <eli_> TJ: the result to your command was: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 358 Feb 11  2012 /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop
[21:11] <exarkun> Sander^lap: Sure
[21:11] <anarkhos> bekks: and now id like to use the FIND command to search that partition for some key words. i was told earlier that that is not harmful
[21:11] <bubbasaure> arpd utopic is #ubuntu+1
[21:11] <TJ-> eli_: OK, so the file is there. As the directory name infers, that should auto-start... so it is possible it starts but then stops through some kind of error
[21:11] <LamP0> Hello. Is there a way to allow only certain file formats to upload to samba share?
[21:11] <trijntje> I wish I knew a workaround, but steam automatically selects the chambers for you in order, so I cant even play untill they fix this :(
[21:11] <exarkun> Sander^lap: edimax works out of the box
[21:11] <arpd> bubbasaure: I don't think this is a utopic specific question but thanks, I'll ask there too
[21:12] <anarkhos> so "find /mnt/ntfs -name xubuntu" shouldn't cause any trouble i reckon
[21:12] <wafflejock> trijntje: can't edit the save files to take it out or something huh?
[21:12] <Sander^lap> exarkun, I have an asus one.. its supposed to work out of the box. Do you know what I need to type in, to choose it?
[21:13] <TJ-> eli_: If you can find the system autostart programs list that'd be the place to ensure this is set to start for your user account. Really we need someone that uses gnome 3 and knows where that should be
[21:13] <trijntje> wafflejock, I don't think so, community test chambers are downloaded from the net automatically
[21:13] <wafflejock> trijntje: yeah maybe doesn't even get written to disk
[21:13] <eli_> TJ: I ran gnome-session-properties and got "startup application preferences" Additional startup programs. The same dialog box
[21:14] <exarkun> Sander^lap: When you plug it in and run `lsusb`, does one of the lines in the output (there is one for every usb device you have) correspond to the device?  It might help to run lsusb before you plug it in so you can compare the output.
[21:14] <eli_> TJ: with just 8 applications, one of which I added myself
[21:15] <eli_> TJ: so should I add "/usr/lib/polkit-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1" to the list of applications?
[21:16] <exarkun> Sander^lap: And what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[21:16] <trijntje> wafflejock, I'm asking in #steamlug now, thanks for your help
[21:16] <Sander^lap> exarkun, 14.04
[21:17] <eli_> TJ: excuse me, not that one, because there is no such file or directory
[21:17] <TJ-> eli_: I'm not sure. I'm reading conflicting information about what Gnome 3 does regarding auto-start programs
[21:18] <wafflejock> trijntje: np good luck, portal 2 is a fun one
[21:18] <eli_> TJ: I read this http://gnomeshell.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/manage-the-startup-applications/ there's the command for the policykit one; don't know if it'll work
[21:19] <anarkhos> yea the searching on the ntfs partition works, great
[21:20] <wafflejock> anarkhos: nice yeah you shouldn't have any problems glad you peeps got it sorted
[21:21] <TJ-> eli_: Good catch - I'd say that looks like being worth trying. My concern is that your current list doesn't display it yet you already have the .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[21:21] <stillaftermath> Hi all, I need to alter a service script on Ubuntu 12.04 to run an additional command -    │ actinide
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | specifically, I have a VPN server that creates a tap adapter, and once that's done, I need │ active8
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | to run an /sbin/ifconfig command on the newly created virtual adapter to set it's IP.      │ adamm
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | What's the best way to do this? I tried just sticking the command in after the line that   │ adreno
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | starts the VPN server, but that didn't work
[21:21] <stillaftermath> ...damnit. sorry.
[21:22] <unopaste> stillaftermath you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[21:23] <helter_> clear
[21:23] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session? I have several local terminal sessions still active (under the same username), can I reroute any of those perhaps? Am I shit out of luck?
[21:23] <anarkhos> so, searching for "bla" works, as well as "bla*", but "*.bla" doesn't seem to work well. am i missing something?
[21:23] <eli_> TJ. I browsed it and fount it at /usr/lib/policykit1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[21:24] <eli_> or something like that
[21:24] <theadmin> anarkhos: Searching how?
[21:24] <TJ-> eli_: Yes, I saw it lives there from doing "apt-file list policykit-1-gnome"
[21:24] <eli_> TJ: now, should I reboot, or just a logout-login will do
[21:24] <TJ-> eli_: logout is sufficient
[21:24] <eli_> TJ: ok, I'll try, thanks a lot TJ!
[21:24] <anarkhos> tharkun: find /mnt/ntfs -name *.txt
[21:25] <anarkhos> theadmin
[21:25] <theadmin> anarkhos: Put that in single quotes to avoid shell expansions
[21:25] <anarkhos> oh
[21:25] <theadmin> anarkhos: find /mnt/ntfs -name '*.txt'
[21:25] <anarkhos> yeah that worked, thank you
[21:26] <theadmin> anarkhos: Also, in this kind of search you may want -iname rather than -name (case-insensetive)
[21:26] <anarkhos> another problem: how to enter directories with space in their names?
[21:27] <theadmin> anarkhos: Escape spaces or use quotes. For example, if you have a directory named "blah blah", you can do either "cd blah\ blah" or "cd 'blah blah'"
[21:27] <eli_> NJ: unfortunately, it didn't work
[21:28] <eli_> NJ: and I even got a message when logging in, about the software center
[21:28] <theadmin> anarkhos: Also, you can type few first characters of the folder's name, then hit Tab, shell will complete the rest, handling escapes/quoting.
[21:28] <faelhs> :D
[21:28] <faelhs> Oi galera :D
[21:28] <frib> i just decided to start using fluxbox.  but when i close laptop lid pc suspends and i don't want it to.  what can I do? thanks
[21:29] <kostkon> !pt | faelhs
[21:29] <eli_> sorry, I wrote the wrong name
[21:29] <eli_> TJ:  unfortunately, it didn't work
[21:29] <eli_> TJ: and I even got a message when logging in, about the software center, internal error
[21:30] <anarkhos> theadmin: tab didn't handle anything. ill try the other methods
[21:31] <Sander^lap> exarkun, I suppose I need to blacklist the built in one?
[21:31] <TJ-> eli_: Do you see a running program listed if you do "ps -efly | grep policy" ?
[21:31] <TJ-> eli_: I see "S root      2215     1  0  80   0  8456 70593 poll_s Aug15 ?        00:00:17 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug"
[21:31] <anarkhos> theadmin: sorry tab did handle it. i neglected a case sensitivity
[21:31] <eli_> TJ: I see two lines
[21:31] <eli_> first one: S root       969     1  0  80   0  4928  9102 poll_s 21:27 ?        00:00:02 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
[21:31] <eli_> second one: S eli      14969 14900  0  80   0   820  1173 pipe_w 23:31 pts/4    00:00:00 grep --color=auto policy
[21:32] <TJ-> eli_: OK, so that is the service running
[21:33] <data> hi, i am looking for information on how to update a module source package. Reason being: We need the newest kernel, but the openvswitch-datapath package does not support the newer kernels. Therefore I would like to update its package
[21:34] <TJ-> eli_: Without hands-on it's difficult to know what else to look at.
[21:34] <eli_> TJ: ok, don't worry, thank you very much
[21:35] <eli_> TJ: at least now I know it's something related to that authentication stuff
[21:35] <snake69> hi there im trying to solve this issue with vsftpd not working on amazons ubuntu 14 image https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/1313450
[21:35] <snake69> i installed what i thought was the correct linux-image but the problem persists
[21:35] <snake69> can someone point me in the right direction
[21:36] <eli_> TJ: I'll leave it for now (I have a lot of work to do) and I'll try again a couple of weeks later
[21:36] <TJ-> eli_: hang on... check this: "ps -efly | grep polk" ... do you get more than 2 lines?
[21:36] <eli_> TJ: just two
[21:37] <eli_> TJ: first: S root       969     1  0  80   0  4928  9102 poll_s 21:27 ?        00:00:02 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
[21:37] <eli_> TJ: second: S eli      14990 14900  0  80   0   824  1173 pipe_w 23:36 pts/4    00:00:00 grep --color=auto polk
[21:37] <TJ-> eli_: We got the issue!
[21:37] <eli_> TJ: really? :)
[21:37] <TJ-> eli_: On mine, there's a "polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1" running
[21:38] <TJ-> eli_: I'm using KDE, so you won't have that, but there should be the equivilent for Gnome
[21:38] <eli_> TJ: and is it solvable?
[21:40] <skulltip> could someone test out my little demo distribution?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8ur742gtc5y7ai/mytest-Linux.zip     It's written with JME3 and is the default demo, just extract and click 'launch.sh'. I get 15k FPS on my machine.
[21:41] <TJ-> eli_: That agent you added to the autostart list has failed to start. We need to know why, so let's start it manually from the shell and see "/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &"
[21:43] <eli_> TJ: eli@elisa-laptop:~$ /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
[21:43] <eli_> [1] 15130
[21:43] <eli_> eli@elisa-laptop:~$
[21:43] <eli_> (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:15130): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Unable to determine the session we are in: No session for pid 15130
[21:43] <awesomess3> skulltip, you meant 15 FPS, right?
[21:43] <TJ-> eli_: hmmm. has it stopped running? type "jobs" and see if it is listed as running or stopped
[21:44] <skulltip> no, 15000 FPS. it's just a cube, you use mouse to move view around it and the numbers are displayed in the window
[21:44] <eli_> TJ: jobs
[21:44] <eli_> [1]+  Exit 1                  /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[21:44] <TJ-> eli_: Right, so we're onto the real problem then, which is more than we were 5 minutes ago
[21:44] <TJ-> eli_: I'll check bug reports for " Unable to determine the session we are in: No session for pid"
[21:45] <TJ-> eli_: bug 1240336
[21:48] <TJ-> eli_: This could well fix your issue: "sudo pam-auth-update --force"
[21:48] <eli_> TJ: I get a window
[21:48] <eli_> TJ: PAM configuration
[21:49] <eli_> TJ: there are 3 options: unix authentication, winbind NT/active directory authentication, and register user sessions in the systemd control group hierarchy
[21:49] <TJ-> eli_: hmmm! let me check on that :)
[21:50] <TJ-> eli_: Ok, running it here too. Are all the options selected (the "*" is present in between the "[ ]" on the left of each item?
[21:51] <eli_> TJ: yes
[21:51] <Alopex> switching distro... 1. install software 2. replace home or otherway around or.... 1. copy all from home 2. install software 3. replace home stuff again?
[21:51] <eli_> TJ: some people on the thread said post number 32 helped them, though
[21:51] <TJ-> eli_: Good :) ... now press the Tab key to get to the "<OK>" button and press the Space bar
[21:51] <grr-distupgrade> hey guys, is there a way i can do a dist-upgrade to a specific version? I have a server running 12.04.3 and i want to upgrade it to 12.04.4
[21:52] <eli_> TJ: done
[21:52] <eli_> TJ: look, there's one who says: "
[21:52] <eli_> In my case #19 didn't work but appending
[21:52] <eli_>  session required pam_loginuid.so
[21:52] <eli_>  session required pam_systemd.so
[21:52] <eli_> to /etc/pam.d/lxdm fixed everything.
[21:53] <eli_> "
[21:53] <unopaste> eli_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[21:53] <TJ-> eli_: Do a reboot, test. If that doesn't solve it completely try the recommendations in that bug report in comment #32 and #33. Bookmark that bug report, too!
[21:53] <eeee> grr-distupgrade: i think that's what dist-upgrade does, do-release-upgrade will take you to another release (14.04.1)
[21:53] <grr-distupgrade> dist-upgrade will upgrade to the newest version i think, which is 12.04.5
[21:53] <eeee> ah
[21:53] <askon> hello everyone, just a question struggling to find on the net, why am i requested to enter my pass 4 times before i actually get into the system?
[21:54] <eli_> TJ I'll do that, thanks a lot!
[21:54] <TJ-> eli_: It's important to try one solution at a time, so we know what each achieves
[21:54] <eli_> ok, rebooting
[21:54] <usr13>  grr-distupgrade That is not a distribution upgrade, it is a point release upgrade, but all you need to do is keep your system up-to-date.  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  *(BTW, we are up to 12.04.5 now)
[21:55] <grr-distupgrade> yes but i want to go to 12.04.4
[21:55] <usr13> eeee: I don't think that is what he wants.
[21:55] <grr-distupgrade> i have 4 servers in a cassandra cluster, 3 of them are on 12.04.4 and the 4th is on 12.04.3
[21:55] <Alopex> guys should i'm switching distro should i install the new software first or after copying all the ~/.___ folders ? or even before and after?
[21:56] <usr13> grr-distupgrade: The point release is different from the actual version, 12.04 is the version, .3 or .4 is the point release numbers
[21:57] <kostkon> grr-distupgrade, if you are up-to-date you are already on 12.04.5  if you are talking about the specific X and kernel stacks of each point release then check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:57] <Alopex> anyone?
[21:57] <askon> 5th time in here with the same question, totally ignored, thanks everyone
[21:58] <usr13> askon: What is your question?
[21:58] <Alopex> askon: are you sure you are typing it correctly?
[21:58] <frib> i just installed fluxbox in ubuntu and any program that tries to create sound freezes permanently .. what can I do?
[21:58] <askon> yep, 4 times to log in into the system, what else could be ?
[21:58] <Alopex> askon: tried to change pw?
[21:58] <usr13> askon: What else could *what* be?
[21:59] <LostNva> askon: what does it say if anything the first few times you type it
[21:59] <askon> nothing just another window for the pass
[21:59] <usr13> askon: 2 possibilities:  1) user-name  2) password
[21:59] <grr-distupgrade> kostkon: thanks good info
[21:59] <kostkon> grr-distupgrade, np
[22:00] <Alopex> askon: are you sure you are not typing passwd ?
[22:00] <askon> i do
[22:00] <usr13> askon: Hint:  They are both case sensitive.
[22:00] <Alopex> that CHANGES the password
[22:00] <askon> after typing it 4 times correctly everything works fine
[22:00] <Alopex> http://serverfault.com/questions/370829/passwd-asks-for-new-password-4-times
[22:00] <Alopex> http://www.unix.com/suse/249463-suse-passwd-username-ask-password-4-times.html
[22:00] <askon> 4 times consecutive correctly
[22:01] <usr13> askon: What happens after the 4th time?
[22:01] <askon> eveerything works fine
[22:01] <askon> i just need to type it 1 time
[22:01] <eli_> TJ: It worked!!!Hurray! :)
[22:01] <askon> googled it and nothing
[22:01] <usr13> askon: I think you need to start over.  What is your question?  (What exactly is your problem?)
[22:02] <Alopex> askon: if you do sudo -s   do you have to type it 4 times too?
[22:02] <eli_> TJ: I keep getting windows with error messages though. but everything works now! it mounts and the software center can install stuff
[22:02] <askon> Aloepx didn't try it though
[22:02] <Alopex> askon: try it first
[22:02] <usr13> askon: What exactly are you logging into?
[22:02] <eli_> TJ: i didn't have to follow #32, i just rebooted after following #19 and that did it
[22:02] <askon> usr13, to be able to work i need to type in my pass 4 times each time
[22:03] <askon> usr13, just name and pass
[22:03] <annoymouse> So I installed Ubuntu onto the USB thumb drive (following everyone's directions), yet it's not showing up in my Mac's boot menu...
[22:03] <askon> and the the pass pass pass
[22:03] <askon> and then the pass pass pass
[22:04] <eli_> TJ: nevertheless, i will keep #32 and 33 on a text file, just in case...
[22:04] <usr13> askon: I for one, do not understand what you are trying to tell us.
[22:04] <annoymouse> I only had the root partition, and I installed the bootloader on the device itself.
[22:04] <LostNva> usr13: he logs into system I think, and enters pass 4 times before it lets him in.
[22:04] <annoymouse> Does Ubuntu support boot.efi (the  default Mac boot loader)?
[22:04] <annoymouse> *bootloader
[22:05] <Kai__> yes
[22:05] <usr13> LostNva: So we assume, but what *really* is he doing?
[22:05] <Kai__> it's not only a mac bootloader anymore
[22:05] <Kai__> new pc have uefi too
[22:05] <Kai__> pcs*
[22:05] <Alopex> can someone quickly answer my question?
[22:05] <Alopex> guys should i'm switching distro should i install the new software first or after copying all the ~/.___ folders ? or even before and after?
[22:05] <annoymouse> Kai__: But Mac uses a modified version of the UEFI standard
[22:05] <askon> usr1, sorry, just starting up the system after the sleep, it requires me the password and username, entering the username and the password, then it goes back to the login screen and asks for the password 3 more times until i am able to work
[22:06] <usr13> Alopex: Copy them where?
[22:06] <Kai__> yeah
[22:06] <Alopex> usr13: on new machine from backup
[22:06] <askon> usr1, if a fresh reboot it asks only once for the username and the password
[22:06] <rh1n0> annoymouse you could try http://refit.sourceforge.net/
[22:06] <annoymouse> Kai__: So why do you think it's not showing up as a bootable drive in the boot menu?
[22:06] <eeee> Alopex: copy them later
[22:06] <Kai__> but in essence it's the same stu
[22:06] <eli_> TJ: I bookmarked the bug, and thank you very much TJ, I am very grateful; and so am I to wafflejock
[22:06] <Kai__> stuff*
[22:06] <usr13> askon: Oh, so the issue is with recovering from "sleep"?
[22:06] <annoymouse> rh1n0: I don't want to replace the boot loader?
[22:06] <annoymouse> didn't mean the ?
[22:06] <rh1n0> gotcha
[22:07] <Kai__> ubuntu has special mac+pc images available
[22:07] <rh1n0> are you trying to install or boot from the usb stick?
[22:07] <Alopex> eeee: ok thx thats what i thought, because maybe the programs overwrite my stuff right?
[22:07] <askon> usr13, the issue is that i have to log in 4 time everytime i go out from sleep
[22:07] <eeee> Alopex: yeah
[22:07] <Alopex> eeee: i.e on first launch
[22:07] <Alopex> thx
[22:07] <eeee> np
[22:07] <annoymouse> rh1n0: I already installed onto the USB stick, but the USB stick isn't showing up in the boot menu
[22:07] <annoymouse> And I'm pretty sure I did everything correctly...
[22:07] <kostkon> Alopex, they are gonna do it anyway, the next time you run them
[22:08] <estragon_> hello
[22:09] <usr13> askon: I think the choices are Suspend and Hibertate. Don't know which you are using but which ever... it's not working well for you so my advise is to just not use it.
[22:09] <usr13> askon: (turn it off)
[22:10] <annoymouse> Kai__ and rh1n0: And ideas?
[22:10] <askon> usr13, it looks to me that i have upgraded ubuntu 4 times and it asks for the login for every upgrade, this explaines me the each login, it even changes the login screen for each .04.10. .04.10 distribution, but i really enjoy to use the "sleep", "suspend" option, any ideas?
[22:11] <Kai__> what did you use to install it on the stick?
[22:11] <annoymouse> Kai__: I used the default installer from another USB stick
[22:11] <Kai__> try YUMI/Universal USB Installer/UNetbootin
[22:11] <TJ-> eli_: that's great :)
[22:11] <Kai__> any of these should do the job
[22:12] <annoymouse> Kai__: It's strange that my method didn't work though
[22:12] <annoymouse> I was trying to avoid a "third-party" software
[22:12] <Kai__> this one should work fine
[22:12] <Kai__> nah
[22:12] <usr13> askon: it "changes the login screen for each .04.10. .04.10 distribution"?  Not at all sure what you are talking about.
[22:12] <askon> Usr13, i mean 04. 14 or something, the way they are upgraded.. sorry quite a noob
[22:12] <Kai__> welcome to the world of free software
[22:12] <usr13> askon: What is your native language?
[22:13] <askon> romanian
[22:13] <usr13> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[22:13] <eli_> TJ: it was nice being helped by you, I learnt new stuff (at my newbie level of course). Thanks a lot!
[22:14] <Kai__> those programs are designed to create bootable linux usb sticks
[22:14] <askon> thanks
[22:15] <eli_> bye everyone
[22:15] <Kai__> bye
[22:17] <sundrop> will touchscreen monitors work with Ubuntu 12.04?
[22:20] <askon> usr13, sorry no one on that channel, maybe you still have some ideas? what do you not understand?
[22:23] <askon> P.S. clicking on the "password" setting and it is not workable
[22:25] <LostNva> askon: how does your computer work otherwise, is it really slow or anything?
[22:25] <askon> no it is good
[22:25] <LostNva> askon: do you have a swap partition?
[22:26] <askon> just annoying thing to log in 4 times after closing the screen
[22:26] <askon> yes i do sir
[22:26] <askon> 4 gigs
[22:26] <askon> as my RAM is
[22:26] <Zer000> how can I see what ubuntu is doing on startup - I want to see why a network drive (nfs) is not being mounted
[22:27] <LostNva> askon: when it goes to sleep is the screensaver also running?
[22:27] <askon> no, turned the saver off
[22:27] <Sander^lap> How do I select which band to use for a wireless interface?
[22:28] <LostNva> askon: i really don't have any ideas, but did you try waiting a min or so before trying the password from sleep?
[22:29] <LostNva> askon: it sounds like its not ready or ignoring your password entry because its just running hard doing something.
[22:29] <nashant> Hey, how do I see which disk is attached to ata1.00 ?
[22:30] <Beldar> text | Zer000
[22:30] <Beldar> !text | Zer000
[22:30] <askon> yep, it goes, one password request 2 times in a row with the same background image, after that i can do something on my desktop for about 30 secs and then another request for 2 passwords with an older ubuntu background
[22:31] <askon> this is why i can't find a solution in googleing
[22:31] <Zer000> Beldar, isn't there a log?
[22:31] <askon> nobody knows about it
[22:32] <Beldar> Zer000, Not sure I never look at logs.
[22:33] <HellTiger> hello, after do-release-upgrade i got the question to remove obsolente packages, i pressed details, now i hang in this screen, whats the trick to get over it_
[22:33] <HellTiger> ?
[22:34] <askon> LostNva it looks i will have to reinstall the system, thanks for the help
[22:34] <LostNva> askon: why
[22:35] <askon> LostNva what else can i do? it is obviously coming from previous upgrades
[22:35] <eeee> askon: can you access the system right now?
[22:35] <LostNva> askon: I'd sleep on it a while and keep checking
[22:36] <askon> i am typing from it, it works good, the thing is that i need to write my pass 4 times after the sleep before accessing the system
[22:36] <eeee> askon: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:37] <eeee> paste what you get
[22:37] <eeee> !paste
[22:37] <Beldar> HellTiger, A upgrade needs to be with the stock packages if you have added 3rd party repos and or ppa's purge them to return to packages from the ubuntu repos.
[22:37] <askon> cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:37] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | HellTiger
[22:37] <askon> sorry
[22:38] <askon> # /etc/pam.d/common-auth - authentication settings common to all services
[22:38] <askon> #
[22:38] <askon> # This file is included from other service-specific PAM config files,
[22:38] <askon> # and should contain a list of the authentication modules that define
[22:38] <askon> # the central authentication scheme for use on the system
[22:38] <askon> # (e.g., /etc/shadow, LDAP, Kerberos, etc.).  The default is to use the
[22:38] <unopaste> askon you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:38] <HellTiger> i just was hanging in the screen, i did now ctrl c and it proceed to upgrade
[22:38] <Beldar> HellTiger, Look if there is a hidden popup on the screen.
[22:39] <netsjanek> hi
[22:39] <netsjanek> why litwa is banned
[22:39] <eeee> askon: use the link
[22:39] <Beldar> askon, Did you see the pastebin info from the bot?
[22:39] <askon> yes i did, got it
[22:40] <Beldar> netsjanek, Ask in #ubuntu-ops
[22:40] <askon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117747/
[22:40] <ac_slater_> hey all, I want to automate `dpkg-reconfigure dash` (to choose bash) ... what's a good way to do this non-interactively?
[22:42] <askon> eeee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117747/
[22:42] <eeee> ok
[22:44] <eeee> askon: type sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:46] <eeee> askon: in the line "auth	[success=1 default=ignore]	pam_winbind.so krb5_auth krb5_ccache_type=FILE cached_login try_first_pass" , change try_first_pass to use_first_pass
[22:46] <askon> eeee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117777/
[22:46] <eeee> askon: dont type "type"
[22:47] <askon> sorry, sec
[22:48] <askon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117792/
[22:48] <eeee> ok go down to where it says auth	[success=1 default=ignore]	pam_winbind.so krb5_auth krb5_ccache_type=FILE cached_login try_first_pass
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> guys, the !dns factoid is outdated... how do i set the dns permanently?
[22:49] <askon> eeee : is it good?
[22:49] <eeee> askon: yes
[22:49] <eeee> wait a sec
[22:50] <eeee> are you in nano? or you did sudo nano .... | pastebinit
[22:50] <askon> just sudo
[22:50] <eeee> ( after the | pastebinit )
[22:50] <eeee> so you're in the text editor right now?
[22:50] <askon> nope, terminal
[22:50] <uhhh> can some one help me out? my wifi keeps d/c'ing, I can see OTHER available networks but not mine
[22:51] <eeee> ok, run the command again without | pastebinit
[22:51] <uhhh> rebooting fixes this, but everything works fine on windows
[22:51] <uhhh> 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723AE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[22:51] <uhhh> 04:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5289 (rev 01)
[22:51] <uhhh> 04:00.2 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0a)
[22:52] <askon> don't get it, could please paste it here?
[22:52] <OerHeks> MonkeyDust, put it in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base  & update it > sudo resolvconf -u
[22:53] <askon> eeee : don't get it, could please paste it here?
[22:53] <eeee> askon: sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:53] <eeee> don't add anything to it
[22:53] <MonkeyDust> OerHeks  just found it, but tnx
[22:55] <glk> hi
[22:55] <askon> eeee: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117826/
[22:55] <wafflejock> glk: hello
[22:56] <glk> i have some scripts which are running screen sessions on some parameters, sometimes, these screen sessions are started fine and sometimes they're dead
[22:56] <glk> where should i look for a reason for this?
[22:56] <glk> some suggestions?
[22:57] <eeee> askon: nano is a text editor, stop using pastebinit
[22:58] <eeee> askon: just type "sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth"
[22:58] <eeee> askon: it will open a text based editor, called nano
[22:58] <eeee> askon: you can edit and save
[22:59] <askon> eeee sec
[23:00] <askon> eeee: no editor, just the terminal
[23:00] <eeee> askon: the editor is in the terminal
[23:00] <askon> yes
[23:00] <askon> not familiar with it though, sorry
[23:00] <sajan> hello
[23:00] <sajan> i m new to ubuntu
[23:01] <askon> write out?
[23:01] <sajan> can any one teach me how to install .gz file
[23:01] <askon> been using the DOS for some time in the past :)
[23:01] <sajan> i have downloaded java from website
[23:01] <sajan> i want to install
[23:01] <sajan> no
[23:01] <ubuntu-studio> sorry OOT just want to share my art maybe anyone need it
[23:02] <ubuntu-studio> http://www.fiverr.com/s/521ho6
[23:02] <eeee> askon: gksu gedit /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[23:02] <uhhh> does anyone know of driver updates for realtek 8723ae?
[23:02] <eeee> askon: it's extremely easy, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit, and the rest is ordinary
[23:02] <askon> oh, here it goes si
[23:03] <askon> oh, here it goes sir
[23:03] <uhhh> because I can't reboot every time my wifi d/c's, might have to just use windows
[23:03] <wafflejock> uhhh: usually the easiest way is to lspci then use the identifier at the beginning of the line for the hardware to search for your version of ubuntu
[23:03] <askon> eeee: ready to do stuff there
[23:03] <eeee> ok great, switch try_first_pass with use_first_pass
[23:03] <eeee> ctrl+s and exit
[23:04] <wafflejock> uhhh: lscpi -k to see the kernel driver in use
[23:05] <uhhh> wafflejock: it's using r8169
[23:06] <uhhh> some one told me to update my kernel so I'm on 3.14.1 now, but it didn't fix the issue
[23:06] <wafflejock> uhhh: possibly this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-backports-modules-3.0.0/+bug/839393
[23:07] <askon> eeee: did it
[23:07] <h9x> باخ
[23:07] <h9x> hi
[23:07] <h9x> guys
[23:07] <askon> eeee: should relogin?
[23:07] <h9x> i remove the compiz
[23:07] <eeee> askon: ok, yeah
[23:07] <uhhh> wafflejock: any idea how I would update to v3.1?
[23:07] <h9x> and still working
[23:07] <h9x> http://im49.gulfup.com/byiUAi.png
[23:07] <askon> eeee:thanks sir, doing that
[23:08] <wafflejock> uhhh: think you're above the version they're suggesting there, uname -a
[23:08] <NeO--o___> hi
[23:08] <h9x> can anybody help me
[23:08] <sajan> anyone
[23:08] <sajan> to help a noob
[23:09] <usr13> !ask
[23:09] <uhhh> wafflejock: I'm on 3.14.1-031401-generic
[23:09] <h9x> i remove the Compiz and still working
[23:09] <wafflejock> uhhh: yeah so found another forum that ultimately points to this package https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/r8168-dkms
[23:09] <rypervenche> sajan: You don't want to install Java from the website. You should install it from your repositories.
[23:09] <wafflejock> uhhh: here's the conversation http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=85431
[23:10] <sajan> yes
[23:10] <sajan> but what is the command i can use in terminal
[23:10] <rypervenche> sajan: What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[23:10] <sajan> the latest 14 ls 64 bit
[23:10] <wafflejock> uhhh: maybe try to install that package to override the kernel driver, it says you need to purge it if you want the kernel one to take back over
[23:11] <queensanddrones> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 14.04 on a pc I had at home and everything seems to be working fine minus an issue when other users try to log in. It seems to be having a login loop where the password is correct but it goes back to the login screen. I tried various things I found via google from people with similar issues but none have worked. Ideas?
[23:11] <Beldar> h9x, More exacting details please, what desktop and why did you remove compiz?
[23:11] <h9x> xfce
[23:11] <rypervenche> sajan: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[23:11]  * eeee dejavu ?
[23:11] <Beldar> !who | h9x no one word answers please and read the questions
[23:11] <sajan> thank you,,.....i have to package so shall i use second command
[23:12] <eeee> queensanddrones: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth | pastebinit
[23:12] <rypervenche> sajan: You should use OpenJDK for your java needs.
[23:12] <h9x> hey beldar lock this link http://im49.gulfup.com/byiUAi.png
[23:12] <rypervenche> sajan: Unless you have a very specific need for Oracle Java, I recommend using OpenJDK. Running the full command I gave you will give you what you hopefully need.
[23:12] <sajan> @rypervenche .......thanks
[23:13] <wafflejock> yeah open jdk works most of the time
[23:13] <wafflejock> in rare cases I've had to use the oracle one but can't recall for what exactly
[23:13] <Beldar> h9x, What is the issue?
[23:13] <sajan> i will try now and let u know how it goes
[23:14] <Beldar> sajan, You can tab complete nicks use them please and use whole words this is not twitter.
[23:14] <askon> eeee: thanks, looks like working, will be checking these days
[23:14] <eeee> askon: great
[23:14] <eeee> :)
[23:14] <eeee> you won't believe it, you left, and another guy is asking about the exact same issue
[23:14] <eeee> lol
[23:14] <h9x> i remove  the compiz and emerald and it still working and i cant control the windows
[23:15] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: you could try open a tty Ctrl+Alt+F1 (use Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to the login screen) on the tty you can login and can try to see if you get any more info logging in with the other accounts to or else, tail -f /var/log/syslog or maybe tail -f /var/log/auth.log
[23:15] <askon> eeee: haha, nice
[23:15] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: or you can install multitail to watch multiple logs at once
[23:15] <uhhh> wafflejock: it says in the thread to be careful installing unstable versions
[23:15] <uhhh> ie. don't use dpkg -i <x>
[23:15] <Beldar> h9x, If you tweak the desktop you are somewhat on your own without exact info, xfce does not use either.
[23:15] <uhhh> don't add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:15] <wafflejock> uhhh: there's one in apt-get
[23:16] <uhhh> ah k
[23:16] <wafflejock> uhhh: I don't have any extra ppas right now
[23:16] <uhhh> so just apt-get install r8168?
[23:16] <wafflejock> uhhh: with the -dkms at the end
[23:16] <uhhh> or I guess search first
[23:16] <uhhh> k
[23:16] <wafflejock> uhhh: just tab complete it
[23:16] <Beldar> h9x, Do a reboot and see if the issue is the same, removing controls like those need a logut or desktop restart at best.
[23:17] <alami> hello, i have installed tor browser and i have forget how? what i remember is i have add repository with add-apt-repository, when can i found it? not in /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:17] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: actually multitail is nice if you want to watch multiple log files too
[23:17] <sajan> rypervenche, i cannot get the second command work
[23:18] <sajan> says could not open lock file
[23:18] <Beldar> alami, The tor browser straight from them is the advised use.
[23:18] <uhhh> wafflejock: k gonna reboot, brb
[23:18] <rypervenche> sajan: Why not? What does it say? (paste it to pastebin.com or something)
[23:18] <wafflejock> uhhh: yup good luck
[23:18] <queensanddrones> wafflejock: I'm not sure what that does. I'm new to Linux :/
[23:18] <sajan> uld not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[23:18] <sajan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[23:18] <sajan> sajan@Sajan-ThinkPad-T61:~$
[23:18] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: the first part or the second part?
[23:18] <Beldar> alami, ppa's are not supported here technically
[23:18] <rypervenche> sajan: That means that some other command is installing things or you forgot to use "sudo"
[23:18] <eeee> queensanddrones: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:18] <rypervenche> sajan: You forgot "sudo" I think.
[23:18] <queensanddrones> wafflejock: multitail
[23:18] <anarkhos> so, on normal ubuntu, the computer itself wakes up after suspend, but the screen is black. that's better than no reaction at all
[23:18] <queensanddrones> eeee: installed
[23:19] <eeee> queensanddrones: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth | pastebinit
[23:19] <alami> Beldar: yes the command add-apt-repository is support hier?
[23:19] <sajan> yeah thanks
[23:19] <sajan> working now
[23:19] <alami> Beldar: yes the command add-apt-repository is support here?
[23:19] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: it's just a terminal program for watching lots of files, if you want to install it, sudo apt-get install multitail, then usage is like, multitail /var/log/syslog /var/log/auth.log
[23:19] <alami> Beldar:so i want to remove it
[23:19] <sajan> is there any website where i can study codes for temninal
[23:19] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | alami
[23:19] <queensanddrones> eeee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117956/
[23:19] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: it just opens and watches the end of log files so you can see when new events happen
[23:19] <uhhh> wafflejock, so far so good
[23:20] <uhhh> now just gotta wait and see
[23:20] <queensanddrones> wafflejock: oh neat, that sounds pretty cool i will probably check it out
[23:20] <alami> Beldar: my Problem is i have forget the ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> 's names
[23:20] <askon> eeee: sir it got even worse
[23:21] <eeee> lol, what?
[23:21] <eeee> thought it worked?
[23:21] <queensanddrones> I have a feeling this may have something to do with how i partitioned things at installation
[23:21] <queensanddrones> i think i may have accidentally set something to mount point /home and im not sure if that is maybe affection permissions when i try to do things as root?
[23:21] <askon> yeah, it shuts down to sleep once, so now i have to log in 4 times and one more to press the power button
[23:22] <eeee> hmm
[23:22] <askon> eeee: do not recommend to anyone please
[23:22] <rypervenche> sajan: Hmmm, there are some. What is your native language?
[23:22] <sajan> Englisj
[23:22] <sajan> english
[23:22] <eeee> askon: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth | pastebinit
[23:22] <askon> sec
[23:23] <sajan> rypervenche, i have these package install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
[23:23] <sajan> how can i install
[23:23] <sajan> using terminal
[23:23] <Ornacia> hello
[23:24] <alami> @sartan: okay good to know it, is that with all extentions or only with .JPG
[23:24] <alami> Beldar: my Problem is i have forget the ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> 's names
[23:24] <askon> eeee:http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117983/
[23:24] <OerHeks> alami, find it with "   ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  "
[23:25] <eeee> askon: seriously?
[23:25] <alami> OerHeks: thanks, that's what i was looking for :-)
[23:25] <askon> eeee: just did what you said
[23:25] <askon> eeee: any issue?
[23:26] <eeee> askon: ok, type cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[23:26] <askon> sec
[23:28] <askon> eeee: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8118011/
[23:29] <wafflejock> sajan: why are you trying to install the flash player from a tar.gz?
[23:29] <queensanddrones> should i try reinstalling ubuntu
[23:29] <wafflejock> sajan: there is a flash player installer package in the repos
[23:29] <sajan> wafflejock, its in download folder
[23:29] <sajan> yeah i know its all in ubuntu software center
[23:29] <rypervenche> sajan: You don't need to install it from that tarball.
[23:30] <wafflejock> sajan: if you want to install from that pacakge you can, you're better off getting Google chrome it has a more updated version like FP 14
[23:30] <sajan> but i want to learn to how to install from harddisk
[23:30] <rypervenche> sajan: Install it from the package available inside of Ubuntu.
[23:30] <wafflejock> sajan: for learning purposes ok
[23:30] <rypervenche> sajan: You shouldn't be installing anything from a website, for the most part.
[23:30] <wafflejock> sajan: what you have is a "tarball" or a gzipped tape archive file
[23:30] <wafflejock> !tar | sajan
[23:30] <sajan> wafflejock, yeah,............can i install it with temnial
[23:31] <wafflejock> tar you can use tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz
[23:31] <rypervenche> sajan: There is a package already in your repositories.
[23:31] <wafflejock> sajan: that will extract it to a folder
[23:31] <wafflejock> rypervenche: they're just interested in how to do it
[23:31] <sajan> repositories mean,........
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: the operating system has locations already specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[23:32] <rypervenche> wafflejock: Because he doesn't know any better, from what I gather.
[23:32] <wafflejock> rypervenche: I see
[23:32] <sajan> wafflejock, rypervenche i m sorry i just installed today so i dont know anything
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: np rypervenche is just trying to tell you the best thing here
[23:32] <eeee> askon: gksu gedit /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: the repos are curated by people who test the stuff with the OS
[23:32] <rypervenche> wafflejock: Then I'll let you take over.
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: so you don't risk getting software that doesn't work if you just use the repos
[23:33] <wafflejock> sajan: if you want to install from the command line from the repos you can too though
[23:33] <sajan> oh so it works like that ....thank you
[23:33] <wafflejock> sajan: you use sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[23:33] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah if you  just go out on the internet and download something and install it you want to be sure it came from a safe source
[23:34] <sajan> so "sudo apt-get" is main command for terminal?
[23:34] <wafflejock> sajan: sudo is for super user or admin privileges
[23:34] <wafflejock> apt-get is for getting packages
[23:34] <wafflejock> !apt-get
[23:34] <piyush1911> Hi, anyone has nay experience in using a kickstart to install a fakeRAID(0) ubuntu 12.04 system, I am having lot of issues in being able to partition and then install the grub
[23:34] <piyush1911> Please need some guidance
[23:34] <sajan> thank you wafflejock
[23:35] <OerHeks>  !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[23:35] <wafflejock> sajan: the "packages" for debian/ubuntu have a .deb extension and are like zip files with some scripts to install stuff
[23:35] <wafflejock> sajan: np
[23:35] <sajan> wafflejock, i will first read about basics of ubuntu then i can ask if i am wrong
[23:35] <wafflejock> sajan: sure
[23:36] <wafflejock> sajan: one of the main things on the command line is using the "man" command
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: use man man, to see the manual for the manual program, basically though man apt-get, or man whatevercommand will show you the manual with lots of details on usage and what it does
[23:37] <sajan> wafflejock, any shortcut to open terminal like in windows for cmd
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah think it's winkey+T by default
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: depends on the exact version you have
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: for me it's Ctrl+Alt+T
[23:38] <wafflejock> but using Ubuntu Gnome edition
[23:38] <sajan> yeah for me its ctrl+alt+t
[23:38] <sajan> wafflejock, whats difference between yours and official from website?
[23:38] <SCHAAP137> i use ctrl Win Q to quit XMonad
[23:39] <SCHAAP137> it's like, a logoff
[23:40] <wafflejock> sajan: the major difference is just the desktop environment and some of the default apps here's a visual guide to the desktop environments (er some popular ones) http://www.howtogeek.com/163154/linux-users-have-a-choice-8-linux-desktop-environments/
[23:41] <askon> eee: looks good, but not finally, it requires me to press the "power" button one more time but from 5 it went to 2 manipulations, thanks a lot
[23:41] <wafflejock> sajan: basically the launcher thing on the left in Unity and the Lense capability you have when you hit the windows key are replaced by various other ways to display your "panel" or "taskbar" or running apps or whatever and ways that the windows and virtual desktops work and lots of other stuff, hard to sum up
[23:42] <sajan> wafflejock, yours looks cool
[23:42] <askon> eeee: looks good, but not finally, it requires me to press the "power" button one more time but from 5 it went to 2 manipulations, thanks a lot
[23:42] <sajan> can u give me iso download link
[23:42] <eeee> askon: when you sudo, do you have to enter it more than once?
[23:42] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah I really am liking Gnome I just switched to it from KDE which was getting kinda clunky for me
[23:42] <wafflejock> sajan: http://ubuntugnome.org/
[23:43] <sajan> thank you i am trying that now.,.........is it possible to boot it from usb first
[23:43] <wafflejock> sajan: honestly I think Unity is okay now too, but it's nice that there are options
[23:43] <askon> eeee: no, it just turns off and i need to press the power button again and log in again
[23:43] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah it has live ISO capabilties too, you should have a USB creator app if you check in the launcher
[23:43] <sajan> oh okk
[23:43] <Beldar> wafflejock, The gnome shell is in the ubuntu repos.
[23:44] <piyush1911> Hi, anyone has any experience in using a kickstart to install a fakeRAID(0) ubuntu 12.04 system, I am having lot of issues in being able to partition and then install the grub, please I need a little help.
[23:44] <wafflejock> Beldar: true but brand new user safe to install it right away without messing up the system
[23:44] <wafflejock> Beldar: I went with a clean install cause I was coming from KDE and didn't want the bloat still around
[23:44] <wafflejock> Beldar: SSD space is limited
[23:44] <alami> when i try ppa-purge i get Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: upubuntu-com-tor64-trusty.list
[23:44] <eeee> askon: what do you mean? when you do sudo <command> the pc turns off (as in sleeps?)
[23:45] <RonaldReagan> does anyone know how to disable flashing from mirc
[23:45] <sajan> wafflejock, how can i create live usb stick
[23:45] <askon> eeee: yes
[23:45] <askon> eeee: a
[23:45] <eeee> ok, well
[23:45] <wafflejock> sajan: just hit winkey and start typing USB you should have a USB creator program installed by default I'm pretty sure
[23:45] <jgcampbell300> what would i use as a remote desktop connection to maintain several ubuntu boxes ?
[23:45] <RonaldReagan> i know i can right click it but is there a way toautomate it?
[23:45] <Beldar> alami, pastebin your command so we see it.
[23:45] <askon> i push it one more time and i comes on
[23:45] <eeee> try this command su -c 'cat /etc/group'
[23:45] <eeee> askon: what happens
[23:46] <askon> eeee: then it comes o  really fast and asks for the pass
[23:46] <askon> eeee: then it comes on  really fast and asks for the pass
[23:46] <wafflejock> sajan: basically just run that download the .iso file, load the iso in the program with the flash drive in the computer and hit the button usually not too much to it
[23:46] <eeee> nevermind i forgot no root on ubuntu
[23:46] <maluma> cv
[23:46] <maluma> hola
[23:47] <eeee> askon: nevermind
[23:47] <OerHeks> RonaldReagan, does Mirc not provide you a manual? poor windows software.
[23:47] <jgcampbell300> how do you connect one xubuntu desktop to another
[23:47] <alami> sudo ppa-purge ppa:upubuntu-com-tor64-trusty.list/
[23:47] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: typically you want to use ssh to make things secure
[23:47] <awesomess3> sajan, you can use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ it installs an ISO onto a USB flash-drive/thumb-drive/usb-stick
[23:48] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: graphically you can use vnc-server and vnc-client
[23:48] <askon> eeee: thanks a lot, i will fly to sweden tomorrow and i will write it from there if any issues, thanks, much easier now
[23:48] <wafflejock> awesomess3: isn't there one in the default version of ubuntu?
[23:48] <OerHeks> alami just ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64
[23:48] <wafflejock> awesomess3: I've got one in my gnome install of ubuntu and didn't install it
[23:48] <eeee> askon: sorry, it didnt work out, i'll google some more and who knows
[23:48] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, would vnc-server be the best option ?
[23:48] <Beldar> alami, this look familiar  https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/tor-browser
[23:49] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: if you're looking for something just like RDP and want the GUI when you login then I think it is
[23:49] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: you can use ssh to setup a tunnel for the VNC connection (it's easier than it sounds)
[23:49] <askon> eeee: thanks, google didn't help me on this issue anyway
[23:49] <alami> OerHeks: you know my Problem? i can't update when using this repo :-(
[23:49] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, ok thanks ... i will read on it now
[23:50] <OerHeks> alami, no, i never used such ppa' s
[23:50] <awesomess3> wafflejock, sajan I can't find any USB-creator software on my Xubuntu 14.04, but it doesn't mean it's not there, *shrugs* `apropos usb` yields nothing either.
[23:50] <Beldar> alami, Last update to that ppa was in 4-22
[23:50] <anarkhos> is f6 the key to press if i want boot options when running the live-usb of ubuntu?
[23:51] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: yeah just get the ssh connection part sorted out, ideally just using a private/public key pair instead of password based connection
[23:51] <eeee> askon: still there?
[23:51] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: then you just add a flag to the ssh connection -L with the port you want to forward, then from the vnc viewer you tell it to connect to localhost and the tunneled ports will connect you to the remote machine instead
[23:51] <askon> eeee: here
[23:52] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, sounds good
[23:52] <Beldar> alami, good info here, on that ppa, and on using the tor browser straight from them. http://askubuntu.com/questions/382394/how-do-i-install-the-tor-browser-bundle-in-ubuntu
[23:52] <sajan> wafflejock, i m sorry my laptop hanged
[23:53] <aaaa> Hi. 12.04 LTS.  I added another 500Gb(ext4) and put it in fstab.. boots fine... I just forget what I need to do so I can make that volume writable from my account.. its sudo chown or chmod??? Thanks.
[23:53] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: yeah let me know if you get stuck got the tunneling line in my scripts for connecting with the tunneling for VNC
[23:53] <sajan> wafflejock, can you tell me why my laptop hangs when i try search function in the launher
[23:53] <alami> Beldar: okay so the repository is removed but i still have it's entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:53] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, kk
[23:54] <wafflejock> sajan: not sure might be related to the graphics drivers, unity is kind of graphically intense with the half transparent blur stuff going on
[23:54] <askon> eeee: anything?
[23:54] <wafflejock> sajan: could be something at a hardware level that has problems too though, hard to diagnose things without digging into it some
[23:54] <Beldar> alami, OPen it is it commeneted out with a "#"
[23:54] <sajan> wafflejock, it never happend to windows 7
[23:55] <alami> Beldar:http://askubuntu.com/questions/382394/how-do-i-install-the-tor-browser-bundle-in-ubuntu the solution here will update tor-browser?
[23:55] <sajan> wafflejock, i dont find usb disk creator in my launcher
[23:55] <eeee> askon: try sudo su
[23:55] <Beldar> alami, updates from where you are, are not possible purge the one you have and install from tor.
[23:56] <eeee> askon: then try login <your username>
[23:56] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah this is a typical issue when someone moves from windows to linux regarding trying to compare them... since the whole software stack is different you really can't compare them directly, and most likely you just need to add some appropriate graphics drivers to fix the issue, that said it does indicate the hardware is probably okay
[23:56] <eeee> askon: see if it asks you for the password more than once, or if it sleeps
[23:56] <alami> Beldar: thats the best way :-) thanks a lot
[23:56] <wafflejock> sajan: regarding the usb creator you can install the unetbootin package suggested earlier if you don't have one
[23:56] <askon> eeee: pls give me the command, on what to sudo su?
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: strange thought that was built in
[23:57] <Beldar> alami, Tor is a funky thing, I assume they have updates themselves, not sure really.
[23:57] <alami> the problem when i use that one from tor-project, i can't lock it to unity
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[23:57] <sajan> wafflejock, how can i fix graphics driver
[23:57] <sajan> any way
[23:57] <eeee> askon: ok, "sudo su" , then "login <your username>"
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: well if you're going to change systems don't worry about it immediately
[23:57] <Beldar> alami, I would not give it root anyway, it will without it.
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: better to wait for the dust to settle and when you decide what to go with then tune it up
[23:58] <askon> eeee: it goes well in terminal
[23:58] <eeee> when you typed login <your username>
[23:58] <eeee> it asked you for your username's password?
[23:58] <Beldar> alami, It runs without root, that is really best in my opinion.
[23:58] <askon> eeee: yes
[23:58] <wafflejock> sajan: there is an additional drivers dialog in Unity that lets you add drivers or you can install them from the repo or you can get them from the manufacturer but don't worry about it ATM if you want to try other systems potentially
[23:58] <eeee> askon: you typed it only once? or ..? did it sleep ?
[23:59] <sajan> wafflejock, yeah i  m trying gnome for now
[23:59] <uhhh> I went with the default unity
[23:59] <alami> Beldar: okay thanks a lot , i will try to lock it to the side bar :-)
[23:59] <uhhh> but I miss the desktop swapping
[23:59] <sajan> wafflejock, as i prefer graphical more
[23:59] <askon> eeee: opened the terminal, typed: sudo su, and asked for the pass only
[23:59] <wafflejock> uhhh: think you still have virtual desktops no?
[23:59] <uhhh> wafflejock: maybe, I've never used ubuntu before, still tinkering with it