[08:16] <brainwash> I open the terminal and start to type before the actual prompt string is printed. This breaks the string somewhat by adding my typed chars in front of it.
[08:16] <brainwash> Is this an actual bug or "you are doing it wrong"?
[08:19] <ochosi> elfy: hm, does it still make sense to discuss the QA incentive programme idea at the meeting then? (i guess if you prep a document on that, we could still discuss it)
[08:19] <knome> qa incentive?
[08:19] <knome> bounties for testing? :)
[08:20] <ochosi> pretty much, yeah
[08:20] <knome> yeah, i wouldn't mind that
[08:20] <ochosi> we established that testing is a bit boring, so motivating ppl isn't easy
[08:21] <ochosi> since the xfce bug bounty programme seems to be doing fine without the (little) money we have, i wouldn't mind spending it on QA
[08:21] <ochosi> e.g. xubuntu t-shirt for most active tester in the cycle
[08:21] <knome> mmh
[08:21] <ochosi> or i dunno, that's just a random thought
[08:21] <knome> that's not a bad idea
[08:22] <knome> i mean, it's relatively cheap for us and gets us a long way if at least 2 people start "competing"
[08:22] <ochosi> would've preferred if elfy would've been there for the meeting to discuss it, but we can probably discuss it either way
[08:22] <ochosi> when i suggested the idea, he seemed to like it
[08:22] <ochosi> and we can just start by collecting ideas
[08:22] <knome> mhm
[08:23]  * elfy still does :p
[08:24] <ochosi> btw, i'm away for the rest of today and tomorrow
[08:24] <elfy> I'd propose stickers once a month or something, then t-shirt at cycle end for most prolific during the whole cycle
[08:24] <elfy> something like that 
[08:24] <ochosi> yeah, i think we should make a list of these proposals/ideas incl. what they cost
[08:24] <elfy> ochosi: unfortunately unless a meeting during the day coincides with me not working I'll never be about
[08:24] <ochosi> and then just decide on what makes most sense
[08:25] <elfy> just so you know - Friday's I'm usually not working if you do want me there 
[08:25] <ochosi> elfy: hm right, seems hard to find a time that works for everyone
[08:25] <ochosi> yeah, i was considering a meeting later in the week, but then i felt maybe before b1 is a good idea
[08:25] <knome> stickers isn't bad either
[08:26] <knome> ochosi, thought before b1 is just useful for "developers", and/or other people who need to land $x
[08:26] <knome> and maybe QA people.. :)
[08:26] <ochosi> right, which is why i set the time so it would work for bluesabre ;)
[08:27] <elfy> QA people don't really need a meeting *just* before :p
[08:27] <elfy> and if I'm the only one that does anything with b1 there won't be a b final ;)
[08:28] <knome> elfy, right, except if you are waiting for a fix to land ;)
[08:28] <ochosi> well, in terms of gathering feedback from QA it's still useful i think
[08:28] <ochosi> also to establish the road to b2
[08:29] <elfy> @19/8 we had 52/580 64bit image tests done, 32bit is worse and package testing has in general been me testing for testcase and jjfrv8 doing one afterwards
[08:29] <meetingology> elfy: Error: "19/8" is not a valid command.
[08:30] <elfy> shutup meetingology 
[08:30] <knome> haha
[08:30] <ochosi> :)
[08:35] <ochosi> knome: btw, unless you wanna work on the accessibility version of greybird, i'll postpone this once again
[08:35] <ochosi> i know i won't have time until UIF
[08:35] <knome> yeah, please do
[08:35] <knome> if i surprisingly get kicked out of my projects (or everything gets stalled) and i have a lot of motivation, it might happen... but yeah
[08:36] <ochosi> also, please don't let the UIF approach too much for starting to work on the new wallpaper ;)
[08:36] <knome> no no
[08:36] <knome> not at all
[08:36] <knome> :P
[08:36] <knome> this is the cycle when i start working on the wallpaper WELL BEFORE THE UIF
[08:36] <knome> like, in june...
[08:36] <knome> well tbe, i have something from july
[08:37] <knome> but it's still far from fit to release :)
[08:37] <ochosi> then keep the fricking blueprint updated!
[08:37] <knome> well
[08:37] <ochosi> and set it to inprogress
[08:37] <knome> it's actually more like TODO than INPROGRESS
[08:37] <ochosi> also, for some reason there's no trello card for that
[08:37] <knome> you should see the progress
[08:37] <knome> (not)
[08:38] <knome> let me add that now then
[08:38] <ochosi> already done
[08:38] <knome> boo
[08:38] <knome> i just LOGGED IN to trello
[08:38] <ochosi> just thought you deserved a little shout-out for being so whiney about this last time ;)
[08:38] <knome> yes, that's fair
[08:38] <elfy> lol
[08:38] <ochosi> (but yeah, it was good that you were)
[08:39] <knome> i really wish i had more time...
[08:39] <knome> like 24 more hours per day
[08:39] <ochosi> (at least i have it more on my radar again)
[08:40] <knome> ugh.. i need coffee.
[08:40] <elfy> knome: you can set a due date for the wallpaper on trello - then it'll show up on the team calendar so we can see how you're doing :)
[08:40] <ochosi> mm, that'd be nice
[08:40] <elfy> oh - we did have trello stuff on there at some point - seems to be missing now
[08:41] <elfy> but setting a date does allow us to see it on the trello calendar
[08:41] <ochosi> i dunno, iirc Unit193 handled that
[08:41] <ochosi> i mean the trello -> team calendar integration
[08:41] <elfy> yea - certainly wasn't elfy :p
[08:45] <knome> obviously the due date should be UIF..
[08:45] <ochosi> nah, at least two days before
[08:45] <knome> aha
[08:45] <ochosi> give bluesabre some time to upload
[08:46] <knome> september 8 then
[08:46] <ochosi> (just because we have an awesome uploader now doesn't mean we should drive him towards a heart-attack)
[08:46] <knome> i hate to say this, but that's like not going to happen
[08:46]  * knome hides under the table
[08:46] <ochosi> the heart-attack? or sept 8?
[08:46] <knome> i need to get back to work :|
[08:46] <knome> sept 8..
[08:47] <ochosi> seriously?
[08:47] <knome> well, i'm swamped with work
[08:47] <ochosi> i understand, but to the worst do an iteration of the 14.04 wall
[08:47] <ochosi> just small changes
[08:47] <knome> yeah, i know
[08:47] <ochosi> ppl loved that wall
[08:47] <ochosi> and ubuntu does it too (just changing tiny aspects)
[08:47] <knome> ket's see what happens
[08:47] <ochosi> so it'd make sense
[08:47] <knome> hah.
[08:48] <knome> anyway, i'm off to do some work
[08:48] <ochosi> k, ttyl
[08:48] <knome> be back in some time
[08:48] <ochosi> gotta focus on work too
[08:48] <ochosi> will be back on sunday
[08:48] <knome> aha
[08:48] <elfy> cya chaps 
[08:48] <knome> then hf until that
[08:48] <ochosi> you too
[08:48] <ochosi> cya elfy (and all others)
[08:49] <elfy> have fun 
[10:07] <bluesabre> hey guys
[10:08] <bluesabre> knome: yeah, in the spirit of ubuntu, just change the contrast in one corner and call it done ;)
[10:40] <bluesabre> xubutrello: card 67
[10:40] <xubutrello> There's no list called <card 67> on the board, bluesabre. Sorry.
[10:40] <bluesabre> xubutrello: help
[10:40] <brainwash> knome: can you please remove gnome-terminal and lxterminal from the affects list? The affected terminal emulators all depend on libvte, so I've reassigned the bug
[10:41] <brainwash> bug 1237594
[10:41] <bluesabre> xubutrello: card 67 link
[10:41] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/I9GzeyJ7/67-upower-0-99-transition-staging-at-https-launchpad-net-noskcaj-archive-upower-packages
[10:41] <bluesabre> ^ Noskcaj, with FF yesterday, is this postponed for after 14.10?
[10:43] <brainwash> thought that the upower transition was already done, but meh
[10:44] <brainwash> xorg 1.16 will land after FF
[10:45] <slickymasterWork> I can do that for you if you want brainwash 
[10:46] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: re: bug 1237594 ^^
[10:46] <bluesabre> I mean, the code is there for most of xfce, but upower 0.99 is not
[10:46] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: would be awesome
[10:46] <bluesabre> in utopic
[10:47] <knome> bluesabre, you should really get that bug team membership
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: done
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> hey knome bluesabre 
[10:47] <knome> hey
[10:47] <bluesabre> knome, I know, on my todo list
[10:47] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thank you :)
[10:48] <slickymasterWork> not only that knome, he should also get bugcontrol membership
[10:52] <knome> yep.
[10:52] <slickymasterWork> knome: do you have any idea on when will the new menulibre string get synchronized?
[10:52] <slickymasterWork> s/string/strings
[10:53] <knome> once there is a new release
[10:53] <knome> or: ask bluesabre 
[10:53] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre: ^^
[10:57] <bluesabre> suppose I could push a strings update package to utopic this weekend
[10:59] <bluesabre> going to get ready for work now... leave me a ping if you guys need anything done tonight
[10:59] <knome> bluesabre, new wallpaper pls?:P
[11:34] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: can you also please change the importance of this report to wishlist (both packages)? bug 1301056
[11:34] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: done, on both packages
[11:35] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thanks :)
[11:35] <slickymasterWork> np brainwash
[11:35] <slickymasterWork> but I still think that you should apply for bug team membership
[11:35] <brainwash> btw is apport still disabled in 14.10?
[11:36] <brainwash> usually we get some crash reports during the time before final release
[11:39] <brainwash> timeout
[11:39] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: re:apport I believe so
[11:40] <brainwash> waiting for some crash reports to flood in :)
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> bmurray will have his hands full ;)
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> s/bmurray/bdmurray
[11:56] <slickymasterWork> lunch time. bbl ->
[13:55] <brainwash> slickymaster: can you maybe point this bug reporter in the right direction? would be great if we could show him how to fix this easily
[13:56] <brainwash> bug 1355018
[13:57] <brainwash> sadly I'm not familiar with the translation process :/
[14:01] <knome> i don't think there is an "easy" way, but all xfce translations are practically managed in transifex
[14:02] <knome> getting the translation that is in transifex to land in xubuntu will take some time whatsoever (need releases)
[14:06] <brainwash> right, I think that everyone can get involved and contribute translations, especially if the user is known to be regular bug reporter :)
[14:07] <brainwash> I thought that transifex is an "easy" way to do it
[14:07] <knome> they need to be approved to the german xfce translations team in transifex
[14:07] <knome> it is relatively easy, but it's not like editing a wiki.
[14:07] <knome> you need to log in, and need to be approved
[14:08] <brainwash> I see, this makes sense
[14:08] <knome> but after that, sure, it's easy
[14:53] <brainwash> knome: what would be the appropriate importance for bug 1291606 ?
[14:54] <brainwash> is "high" really the right one?
[14:55] <elfy> alberto again :)
[14:55] <slickymasterWork> lol
[14:56] <slickymasterWork> just wait for the emoticons in LP elfy :P
[14:56] <elfy> lol
[14:57] <brainwash> so, how important are translations?
[14:57] <elfy> not at all to me :p
[14:57] <brainwash> but for the xubuntu project
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> they are important brainwash, at least for the apps we ship by default
[14:58] <brainwash> if translations are missing, well, then you have to wait until they are available, right?
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[14:58] <elfy> A bug that has a moderate impact on a core application. 
[14:58] <elfy> meium
[14:58] <elfy> medium even
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> the reporter claims that the translation is already made though
[14:58] <brainwash> yes, I vote for 'medium' too
[14:59] <slickymasterWork> I agree with elfy's assessment 
[14:59] <brainwash> please change it :)
[14:59] <elfy> I'm just reading the bug importance wiki
[14:59] <slickymasterWork> okie dokie
[14:59] <brainwash> copy pasta :>
[14:59] <elfy> of course
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> done
[15:01] <elfy> better give the images a whirl - not done that for a day or so
[15:02]  * slickymasterWork likes elfy's pro-activity 
[15:02] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thanks
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> np brainwash 
[15:23] <knome> brainwash, at most medium imo.
[16:34] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any idea what could be broken here? bug 1314802
[16:35] <brainwash> the bug reporter claims that the amd64 package is missing translations
[16:41] <knome> explain me how "notebook tabs" are different from "tabs" ?
[16:41] <knome> or, how should that be translated?
[16:56] <brainwash> knome: me?
[17:23] <knome> brainwash, if you feel qualified to answer, yes...
[17:31] <ali1234> seems like notebook tabs means vertical tabs
[17:41] <elfy> Unit193: no kernel modules with the mini.iso again ... 
[17:58] <Unit193> How on earth...
[18:05] <elfy> no idea - and it's been too long a day to worry much :p
[18:07] <Unit193> Just did another upgrade too.
[18:10] <knome> elfy, mmh
[18:19] <Unit193> Hah, now it wants to ask for a password every time I switch to workspace one. :P
[20:14] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, looking now
[20:24] <elfy> Unit193: anyway, re -core I've more or less got the testcase sorted, just need to be sure the order, wording works so I can get it on the tracker system, balloons will deal with getting it usable for us 
[20:26] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I can confirm. This is "Fixed" in the utopic version (must have been from a rebuild), but then the amd64 version has a few that i386 doesn't
[20:37] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Do you mean brainwash?
[20:37] <Noskcaj> yes. :(
[20:37] <Noskcaj> tab completion is hard
[20:40] <brainwash> b<tab> :D
[20:41] <Unit193> I use it too, yes. >_>
[20:42] <brainwash> Noskcaj: thanks for commenting on the report :)
[20:42] <Noskcaj> I'm running a rebuild in my ppa now
[21:04] <Noskcaj> A rebuild has removed all the issues.
[21:32] <Noskcaj> Where is the bug for the website being translatable? It relates to the exo bug
[21:32] <Unit193> ...How does that even relate?
[21:33] <Unit193> Project xubuntu-website, iirc.
[21:33] <Unit193> (LP: #797600 if you didn't see.)
[21:35] <Noskcaj> Unit193, The bug i'm looking at is a dupe of some non-english xubuntu issues, one of the ones listed is that a translated link goes to and english only website
[21:36] <Unit193> Aha, I see!  A reference to it rather than direct link. gotcha.  That's not likely to get "fixed" soon anyway.
[21:39] <Noskcaj> bug 1308533 is now the main bug. I'll look into an SRU when i get back from soccer. Hopefully someone, somewhere, is already working on thunderbird
[21:44] <brainwash> Noskcaj: oh... did you forget about bug 733563 ? :)
[21:47] <brainwash> the patch wasn't included due to FF (trusty)
[21:48] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yes. And now it's the FF again.
[21:48] <Unit193> Stupid FF... :D
[21:49] <brainwash> yeah :/
[21:49] <brainwash> bad luck
[21:49] <Noskcaj> Is it worth an FFe? if so, i can get it made later today
[21:49] <brainwash> don't think so
[21:50] <Noskcaj> Hopefully i'll remember it for 15.04 then
[21:50] <brainwash> :)
[22:28] <Unit193> It'll be nice when 15.04 opens, yeah.
[23:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: Once we hear back from Lubuntu, we looking to fix xfpm/lxpanel?
[23:52] <bluesabre> yeah, I think that'd be best for them
[23:52] <bluesabre> :)
[23:53] <Unit193> we=you, of course! :---D
[23:54] <bluesabre> oh wait, now its just me?
[23:54] <bluesabre> tab complete
[23:55] <bluesabre> brainwash: do it
[23:55] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:55] <bluesabre> I cheated, tab-complete filled me in
[23:55] <bluesabre> :(
[23:55] <Unit193> Heh, well I have the fixes, though I think rather than splitting a -dev out we'll just jam it in lxpanel like Debian does.  Next release will have -dev, better not to change stuff.
[23:56] <Unit193> The xfpm dep could even be lxpanel-dev | lxpanel to fix it now and later (it'll fall back to lxpanel since it can't get -dev.)
[23:56] <bluesabre> neat