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wafflejockIMO -> In my opinion00:54
wafflejockoh gone so many big gaps in kubuntu chat00:54
valoriewafflejock: this is not a chat chan01:15
valoriewe keep it open for support; for chat see #kubuntu-offtopic01:16
wafflejockvalorie: I'm in ubuntu which is also support was just mentioning it's rather quiet in here01:22
wafflejock#ubuntu that is01:22
valoriepeople sleep, work, etc.01:23
valoriemuch of our support is in europe, which is asleep now01:23
SamwiseGamgeeDo all the new desktop PCs running Windows use amd64 processors?02:24
SamwiseGamgeeI want to know if my linux Live CDs will work on them02:24
DragnslcrI think just about every processor in the past 10 years or so has been x86_6402:35
DragnslcrOf x86 processors, that is02:35
valorieSamwiseGamgee: the live CDs will work with them02:55
valoriehowever, sometimes there are problems with eufi02:55
valorie!eufi02:55
valorieok,02:55
valorie!ufi02:55
valorie!efi02:55
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI02:55
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lordievaderGood morning.08:11
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BluesKajHowdy all11:15
jalomannHello11:15
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Naphatuli just added the kubuntu backports ppa, there shouldn't be any issues when changes hit right?13:14
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tempnick_tempHi, maybe soeone can help me with a latex-problem? I dont see any chance to find help in another way13:40
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latex-helpSry, my system crashed. Can anyone help my with a latex-problem?13:55
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AssociateXHello to all16:58
BluesKajhi AssociateX16:59
AssociateXI have the latest LTS installed on my laptop. How do I control when my screen wants to go to sleep?16:59
BluesKajAssociateX, systemsettings>power management17:00
AssociateXBluesKaj, thank you much!17:01
AssociateXIt was so irritating to try reading a long article and having the screen dim.17:02
BluesKajAssociateX, 'welcome17:02
andi_hello. my usbheadset doesn't work correctly. it works in the audioconfig when i press 'test' but not in firefox or other programs. please, help me.17:30
andi_i tried all audioconfigurations17:30
andi_oh damn now it works17:31
andi_tried another config17:31
andi_bye17:31
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SamwiseGamgeeIf I run a live Kubuntu CD and my hard drive is unmounted, where does the program go when I install it?  Does it just go to my RAM?18:49
SamwiseGamgeeI mean if I install a program using the live CD18:49
ikoniaram18:51
SamwiseGamgeeWhat?18:52
ikoniait runs in ram18:52
SamwiseGamgeeWhy did ikonia request my CTCP version, what does that do?18:54
ikoniait shows me the version of software you are running18:55
SamwiseGamgeeWhy do you need that information?18:56
ikoniait's public18:56
ikoniaand because you've been known not to be honest, so I looked at what you where running18:56
SamwiseGamgeeikonia, you have sinister intentions, and now I have even more reason not to trust you after your excess harassment since August 1218:57
ikoniaok18:58
bprompthehh18:58
bpromptSamwiseGamgee:    it goes into ram..... and will go poof once ram goes  :).... unless you boot with a liveUSB then uses the "persisten storage"18:59
SamwiseGamgeethanks, bprompt, that's what I wanted to hear18:59
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OssidoGood day20:37
OssidoI have a problem. I hope somebody here can help me with it.20:38
OssidoI have upgraded from 12.04 to 14.0420:38
Ossidothe upgrade was messed up because the LaTeX packages couldn't be updated20:39
Ossidoso I purged them away20:39
Ossidofixed the rest of the upgrade20:39
Ossidoand then I reinstalled them20:39
Ossidobut the installation failed20:39
OssidoI'll paste the error message20:40
OssidoAn error occurred while applying changes:20:40
Ossidotex-common subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 texlive-xetex dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-german dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-arabic dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-plain-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-music dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-humanities dependency20:40
Ossidoproblems - leaving unconfigured texlive-pictures dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-base-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-publishers dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-games dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-greek dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-20:40
Ossidorecommended-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-czechslovak dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-cjk dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-full dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-sanskrit dependency problems - leaving unconfigured lmodern dependency problems - leaving unconfigured tex-gyre dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-base20:40
Ossido dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-recommended dependency problems - leaving unconfigured cm-super-minimal dependency problems - leaving unconfigured cm-super20:40
Ossidodependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-metapost dependency problems - leaving unconfigured context dependency problems - leaving unconfigured context-modules dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-font-utils dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-extra-utils dependency problems - leaving unconfigured feynmf dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-xcolor dependency problems -20:40
Ossido leaving unconfigured pgf dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-beamer dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-common dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-chinese dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-japanese dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-korean dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-other dependency problems - leaving20:40
Ossidounconfigured latex-cjk-thai dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-all dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latexmk dependency problems - leaving unconfigured m-tx dependency problems - leaving unconfigured musixtex dependency problems - leaving unconfigured pmx dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-generic-recommended dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-pstricks20:40
Ossidodependency problems - leaving unconfigured prosper dependency problems - leaving unconfigured purifyeps dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-bibtex-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-fonts-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-fonts-extra-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured20:40
unopasteOssido you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted20:41
bpromptwell.. now we know what the log says  =)20:41
Ossidoanyway, that was the error.20:42
Ossidobut now I have no idea what do do20:42
Ossidoand LaTeX is critical for me20:42
lordievaderOssido: Where are you now in the update process?20:42
Ossidoyou mean the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04?20:43
Ossidoit's finished20:43
Ossidothe system works20:43
lordievaderOssido: So you are running 14.04?20:43
Ossidoyes20:43
lordievaderOssido: Have you rebooted after the upgrade?20:43
Ossidoyes, may times20:43
Ossido*many20:43
lordievaderOssido: Allright, can you pastebin the apt-get output when you try to install latex?20:44
lordievader!paste | Ossido20:44
ubottuOssido: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.20:44
OssidoI had a small thing to fix with the graphic drivers, before tackling this issue with TeX20:44
Ossidowait, you want me to try and reinstall it again?20:44
lordievaderOssido: You said it would fail, I would like to see the error.20:46
OssidoI was using muon20:47
Ossidothe error that I pasted is all the error message that I got20:47
lordievaderOssido: That one is unreadable and likely incomplete. Please use apt to install it and provide me with the output ;)20:47
Ossidobut now the package manager is a bit fucked up. I tried running dpkg --configure -a20:47
Ossidoand I get tons of errors20:48
lordievaderOssido: Please watch your language.20:49
Ossidohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8125294/20:49
Ossidothis is the complete output from  dpkg --configure -a20:49
CodePulsarHello. I have a notebook which has VGA and HDMI ports, to which I connected two monitors, one to the VGA port, one to the HDMI port (which connects through a HDMI to DVI adapter to a DVI monitor). However I can only see a single monitor at any given time. Why? In KDE's settings ~> Display configuration I can see three monitors, and when I activate the 2nd monitor nothing happens. Using proprietary nvidia drivers.20:50
Ossidooh, I'm sorry. It's difficult to get the right amount of emphasis in a foreign language20:50
lordievaderOssido: Purge tex-common and try to reinstall the latex package.20:50
Ossidook, this is what I did the first time20:51
OssidoI'm going ot do it again, but it may well take one hour20:51
lordievaderOssido: This is a family friendly channel, thats why we don't like strong language ;)20:51
Ossidothe latex package is huge20:51
OssidoI'm running apt-get purge tex-common20:52
Ossidothis is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125332/20:53
OssidoYES or no?20:54
lordievaderOssido: Looks like only tex packets are among them. Should be fine.20:54
Ossidoit's doing it. It looks it could take a while20:56
lordievaderOssido: Likely.20:56
Ossidothank you very much for your help20:57
lordievaderOssido: No problem, I know how annoying these package problems can be ;)20:58
Ossidoand LaTeX is essential for me20:59
CodePulsarhmm, I get MetaMode 1 of Screen 0 has more than 2 active display devices when activating from NVIDIA X Server config20:59
OssidoI'm also noticing that the system is quite slow, but this will be a problem for another day21:00
Ossidook, it has finished21:07
Ossidodo you want to see the output?21:07
OssidoI don't see errors, but a couple of warnings21:08
Ossidohere, this is the full output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125409/21:09
Ossidoso now I should apt-get install tex-common   ?21:10
lordievaderOssido: It would probably be a good idea to remove that directory. (or at least move/rename it)21:10
lordievaderOssido: Now install what you would normally install. Latex or something.21:11
OssidoI would normally install texlive-full21:11
Ossidowich is really huge and would take more than one hour21:11
Ossidoand I have already done it21:11
Ossidoso, I think it's better to do onlt tex-common21:12
Ossidothe problem is in there21:12
lordievaderOssido: My guess is that it is best to let tex-common be pulled in as a dependency.21:12
Ossidobut first, there are 4 folders generating the warnings21:13
OssidoI'll remove them21:13
valorieI'm just curious, Ossido - do you use kile?21:13
Ossidoyes, I do21:14
valorieperhaps just install that, then?21:14
valorieit should pull in everything it needs21:14
lordievaderI agree with valorie21:14
Ossidommh, ok21:15
valorieI assume we focus on that in packaging21:15
OssidoI need more than the basics, but the problem should already be there21:15
Ossidohowever, the directory that gives problems doesn't exist!21:15
Ossidowhat's the command to remove a directory?21:17
Ossidorm ?21:17
Ossidorm -R ?21:17
lordievaderOssido: rm -r (but if you are sudo don't just hit enter)21:19
Ossidouh?21:19
Ossidorm: descend into write-protected directory ‘tex’?21:19
Ossido(without sudo)21:20
lordievaderOssido: If the directory is outside your home dir it is owned by root.21:20
Ossidoyes, so do I erase it or not?21:21
lordievaderOssido: Is it the '/etc/texmf/texmf.d' dir? If so, yes.21:22
OssidoI was talking about etc/texmf/tex21:22
Ossidobut that one too21:23
lordievaderOssido: I don't see why /textmf/tex should be removed.21:23
Ossidoit was one of the 4 directories generating the warnings21:24
Ossido/var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdftex /etc/texmf/tex /usr/share/doc/texmf/latex /etc/texmf/texmf.d21:25
Ossidotwo of those 4 don't exist, the other two are  /etc/texmf/tex  and  /etc/texmf/texmf.d21:26
lordievaderHmm, of that only the two /etc could cause trouble. Just delete those.21:26
Ossidook21:26
Ossidonow I run apt-get install kile ?21:27
kameshHi all, how would I know the thermal trip points of my CPU from the command line?21:27
lordievaderOssido: Yes.21:28
lordievaderkamesh: Install lm-sensors.21:28
Ossidoit pulls in 28 other packages21:28
Ossidotex-common among them21:28
Ossidoit's downloading21:29
* valorie holds her breath21:29
Ossidoactually, it's already installing, they were already downloaded21:29
kameshlordievader: I have heard of lmsensors. I read that it gives the temperature of the CPU. I am interested in the critical temperature beyond which if you go the CPU will burn :)21:29
kameshDoes lmsensors give that info?21:29
valoriekamesh, man lmsensors might tell you?21:30
lordievaderkamesh: It gives a high and critical, yes. How trustworthy they are? I hope I will never find out.21:31
lordievaderOssido: The installing part is the hardest ;)21:31
Ossidommh, maybe there is some problem with shared-mime-info (1.2-0ubuntu3)21:36
Ossidoit is giving many Unknown media type in type 'xxxxxxxxxx21:36
Ossidobut it's still working21:37
kameshlordievader: Great. Installed lm-sensors and it is now reporting the critical temperature. Do you know what controls that temperature. I mean does the firmware controls the crictical temperature or is it hardware level (CPU level)?21:37
lordievaderkamesh: It is likely set by the manufacturer.21:37
valorieOssido: I get that same error sometimes21:37
kameshlordievader: of the CPU or of the laptop?21:37
lordievaderkamesh: CPU.21:39
kameshlordievader: So, that value cannot be changed in the bios or someother place?21:39
lordievaderkamesh: No, why would you want to change it?21:40
kameshI completely understand that it should not be tinkered with21:40
Ossidonow there are lots of warnings about old configuration files being found here and there, but it keeps going21:41
kameshI am just doing research on this aspect. I want to run some experiments by disabling the fan. If the fan is disabled then the CPU sort of throttles. I mean does frequency and voltage scaling to keep the temperature under control. One could request the OS not to do that throttling. I would like to know if the critical temperature can also be controlled somehow?21:42
Ossidooh, it has finished without errors21:43
kameshto get proper readings I do not want any other part controlling the CPU temp.21:43
Ossidothis is the full output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125625/21:44
valorielet's wait for lordievader to return21:46
Ossidoyes21:47
valoriebut I'm wondering if those warnings are a packaging error somehow21:47
valoriehmmmm21:56
valorieno lordievader21:57
Ossidosigh21:57
valorieI suggest doing some tests, and seeing if those error messages are true for you21:57
Ossidowell, apparently tex-common was installed correctly, which is already something21:57
valorieyou can always move the config file, and a new one will be created21:57
Ossidolike what? trying to compile a tex document?21:58
valoriethat's quite a few minutes of work though if you don't need to21:58
valorieyes, create a test doc doing some of the things you really usually need21:58
valoriebut keep those error messages around for a possible bug report21:59
OssidoI'll just recompile one of my real files21:59
valorieok21:59
Ossidono joy22:02
Ossidoit doesn't work22:02
Ossidofor some reason Kile doesn't let me copy the log22:03
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Ossidobut it just says22:03
Ossidofinished with error code 122:03
OssidoFile 'comment.sty' not found. \usepackage22:04
Ossidothat's it22:04
Ossidoah, stupid me, of course22:04
Ossidoit's a normale error22:04
OssidoI'm using a package that's not in tex-common22:05
Ossidoso it complains22:05
Ossidoif I try with a very bare document, it compiles22:09
Ossidobut I need more packages than just tex-common22:09
valorieone cli command that helps a lot is apt-cache search22:11
valoriebut for me, I would first install all those recommends22:11
valorieasymptote context dblatex kile-l10n kbibtex latex2html lilypond tex4ht22:11
valorie  texlive-doc-base texlive-xetex perl-tk fragmaster latexmk purifyeps22:11
valorieyou can install them in one big line22:12
Ossidoshould I do it now?22:12
valorieand you could have done it in the first place with apt-get install kile --recommends22:12
valorieI believe22:12
valorietry it and see if that helps22:12
Ossidook22:12
Ossidommh22:13
OssidoPackage texlive-doc-base is not available, but is referred to by another package.22:14
OssidoThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or22:14
Ossidois only available from another source22:14
OssidoE: Package 'texlive-doc-base' has no installation candidate22:14
Ossidofvenez@fvenez-N53Jq:~$22:14
valorie!info texlive-doc-base22:15
ubottuPackage texlive-doc-base does not exist in trusty22:15
valorieossido, please do `ubuntu-bug kile` in the cli22:15
valorieand paste in your command and that error report22:16
valorieperhaps the filename has changed, but that is def. a packaging error on our part22:16
valorieassuming you are using trusty?22:17
Ossidoyes, I upgraded to trusty today22:18
Ossidothat's the source of all my problems22:18
valorieof course it's the weekend, and doctor who day22:18
valorieso I doubt many packagers are about22:18
Ossidowhat is ubuntu-bug supposed to do?22:18
Ossidohere I have a small window saying "Collecting problem informations"22:19
valorieit gathers all the info it needs22:19
valorieand then opens you up in the correct page in launchpad, as I recall22:19
Ossidook22:19
Ossidobut if it's a genuine bug, I'm surprised it hasn't been found and fixed before. I've waited until now to do the upgrade to avoid the worst bugs22:20
valorieit shortcuts the pain of filing a bug considerably22:20
valoriemany people feel that latex is another pain which should be avoided if possible, as well22:21
Ossidowhat? It's a critical software22:21
Ossidolots of people depend on it22:21
valoriethe people who usually use it are writing manuscripts such as thesis or science papers, I find22:22
valorieI agree22:22
valoriebut perhaps no one is doing exactly what you are doing22:22
Ossidowell, I am writing science papers, precisely22:22
valoriebelieve me, if it is just a package changing names, it can be fixed quickly22:23
Ossidook, the little window has finished22:23
Ossidobut it doesn't want me to paste anything22:23
Ossidoah, it sent me to lounchpad22:24
Ossidoand Invalid OpenID transaction22:25
OssidoI fear the bug report didn't work22:25
valoriedamn it22:26
valorieyou don't have a launchpad account?22:26
Ossidono22:26
valoriewell, you should be able to file a bug anyway22:27
valoriethat in itself is a bug22:27
valoriedamn it22:27
Ossidoshould I retry?22:28
valorieif you have the patience to do so22:29
Ossidoit's ok22:29
Ossidoho22:29
Ossidoit was superfast this time22:29
valorienice!22:30
valorieit's better for the packagers to have a bug report to respond to22:30
Ossidobut it wants me to log in22:31
Ossidoalso, what is Ubuntu One?22:32
Ossidoit forces me to create an account22:32
valorieit's the single-signon22:33
valorieit does want an email so they can check and see if their fix is actually a fix22:33
valorieso that does make sense22:33
valoriesort of icky though22:33
OssidoI'm going to pick a ridiculously weak password, and I won't make any attempt at remembering it, or the existence of this account22:34
valoriethank you for suffering through this22:35
valorieyou are making *buntu better22:35
Ossidoit's not enough22:36
Ossidothey need to veryfy my email address22:36
* valorie holds Ossido's hand22:37
Ossidoin all this, my system is also quite unresponsive22:37
Ossidocertainly much slower than before the upgrade22:37
valorieI'm sorry to hear that22:38
OssidoI have a lag of about 1.5 seconds between what I type, and what appears here on Quassel22:38
Ossidomake that 3s22:38
valorie!22:38
Ossidoit's a bit random22:38
valorieyou might run `top` in the cli22:38
valorieand see what's taking all your processing power22:38
valoriesounds like something is running amok22:39
OssidoI did it, and nothins seemed wrong22:39
valoriecontrol escape is another way to look22:39
Ossidoyes, the CPU is ok22:39
valoriehmmm22:39
valorieperhaps it's just quassel lagging22:40
valorieI've not used that for a few years22:40
valorieI went right back to Konversation22:40
Ossidono, it's the whole KDE22:40
OssidoI don't know yet if it's an issue with the graphic drivers22:41
valorieah22:41
Ossidoor with that akonadi/virtuoso/whatever22:41
valorietrusty is the best yet for me22:41
valorieif you just upgraded, baloo might be indexing a lot22:41
valoriethat will soon be over though22:41
valorievirtuoso used to be a problem, but I never see it pop up anymore22:42
Ossidook, I thought it could be the case22:42
tsimpsonyou can get iotop and see if there's a lot of I/O going on22:42
OssidoI had this problem years ago22:42
Ossidoso, I've validated the email22:43
Ossidoand it wants another password from me?22:43
OssidoI have logged in22:43
Ossidobut there seem to be no trace of my bug report22:43
Ossidovery well, let's try a third time22:44
Ossidoif I valued my time, I wouldn't be doing this, anyway22:45
Ossidowhat should be the summary?22:46
valorieOssido: Package 'texlive-doc-base' has no installation candidate22:48
valorieimo22:48
Ossidoit gives me 4 other bugs to look at22:48
OssidoDo any of the following bugs describe the bug you're trying to report?22:48
valoriedo they?22:49
valorieif you, you can add your comments, if not, go ahead and file a new bug22:49
Ossidothree of them no22:49
valorieI mean, if so22:49
Ossidoone maybe22:49
Ossidobut I'd say no22:49
valoriefile a new bug then22:50
valorieit is unfortunate that there are so many steps to filing a bug22:50
Ossidothis concerns kile's dependencies https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/57759522:50
valoriebut it really is important work22:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 577595 in kile (Ubuntu) "huge list of dependencies for Kile" [Undecided,Fix released]22:50
valorieOssido: but this was not a dependency22:51
valorieit was a suggest22:51
Ossidowell, his "bug" (I don't think it's a bug) is that the suggest are too big and not really necessary22:52
OssidoI'll file a new one22:52
valoriethank you22:53
GtownspartanHello world22:53
Ossidook, finished the bug report22:54
valoriehi Gtownspartan, what can we help you with?22:54
valorieOssido: thank you for your contribution22:54
Ossidojust one thing, should I try to repair the package manager somehow?22:54
Ossidovarious cleanups22:55
GtownspartanI just intalled this irc client and I'm trying to connect to the same servers I did when I was with mirc22:55
Gtownspartanhow do I access the other chat rooms22:55
valorieGtownspartan: other channels on this server: /join #channelname22:56
valorieother servers I would set up in your client settings22:57
valoriewhat client are you using?22:57
GtownspartanKonversation22:57
valorieFile > Server list22:58
valorieadd the servers in there, and which chans you want to auto-join22:58
valorieand whether or not you want the servers to auto-start when you start up Konvi22:59
Gtownspartancan't join chat. it says you need to be identified with services22:59
valorieright, so add that in your configs there22:59
valorieright in the opening dialog for each server, add in the Commands section: /msg nickserv identify PA$$W0RD23:00
valoriewith your own password of course23:00
valorieif the servers have nickserv23:01
* valorie needs to run23:03
valoriehave fun with IRC, Gtownspartan!23:03
valorieKonversation made me forget all about mIRC23:03
valorie:-)23:03
Ossidothank you for your help, valorie23:05
GtownspartanTHX23:05
valorieOssido: all thanks go your way23:06
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valorieI agree with you that latex is critical software, so you helping us with Kile is really important23:06
valorieno I really have to run23:07
Gtownspartantried to connect to efnet but keep getting unknown error23:08
Ossidoso I'll be updated via mail on the status of the bug?23:08
Gtownspartanserver found but can't connect. what could I be missing/23:20
valorieGtownspartan: sometimes it takes awhile23:45
valoriesome servers longer than others23:45
valorieGtownspartan: also look at efnet site, and see if you have a range of connection options23:46
valoriesometimes you ISP blocks or slows certain calls23:46
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