[00:54] IMO -> In my opinion [00:54] oh gone so many big gaps in kubuntu chat [01:15] wafflejock: this is not a chat chan [01:16] we keep it open for support; for chat see #kubuntu-offtopic [01:22] valorie: I'm in ubuntu which is also support was just mentioning it's rather quiet in here [01:22] #ubuntu that is [01:23] people sleep, work, etc. [01:23] much of our support is in europe, which is asleep now [02:24] Do all the new desktop PCs running Windows use amd64 processors? [02:24] I want to know if my linux Live CDs will work on them [02:35] I think just about every processor in the past 10 years or so has been x86_64 [02:35] Of x86 processors, that is [02:55] SamwiseGamgee: the live CDs will work with them [02:55] however, sometimes there are problems with eufi [02:55] !eufi [02:55] ok, [02:55] !ufi [02:55] !efi [02:55] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI === amanda is now known as Guest49522 === Guest49522 is now known as Amalynn === zhv is now known as Voldemar === maxim is now known as Guest55828 [08:11] Good morning. === ubuntu is now known as Guest47697 === byte^bnc is now known as byte === brian is now known as Guest47596 === vlad__ is now known as DuckDodgers === DuckDodgers is now known as DuckDodgers80 [11:15] Howdy all [11:15] Hello === Sinx is now known as sinx__ [13:14] i just added the kubuntu backports ppa, there shouldn't be any issues when changes hit right? === anubis is now known as tempnick === tempnick is now known as tempnick_temp [13:40] Hi, maybe soeone can help me with a latex-problem? I dont see any chance to find help in another way === anubis is now known as latex-help [13:55] Sry, my system crashed. Can anyone help my with a latex-problem? === user___ is now known as garchenirepc === user___ is now known as garchenirepc [16:58] Hello to all [16:59] hi AssociateX [16:59] I have the latest LTS installed on my laptop. How do I control when my screen wants to go to sleep? [17:00] AssociateX, systemsettings>power management [17:01] BluesKaj, thank you much! [17:02] It was so irritating to try reading a long article and having the screen dim. [17:02] AssociateX, 'welcome [17:30] hello. my usbheadset doesn't work correctly. it works in the audioconfig when i press 'test' but not in firefox or other programs. please, help me. [17:30] i tried all audioconfigurations [17:31] oh damn now it works [17:31] tried another config [17:31] bye === juboxi is now known as jubo2 [18:49] If I run a live Kubuntu CD and my hard drive is unmounted, where does the program go when I install it? Does it just go to my RAM? [18:49] I mean if I install a program using the live CD [18:51] ram [18:52] What? [18:52] it runs in ram [18:54] Why did ikonia request my CTCP version, what does that do? [18:55] it shows me the version of software you are running [18:56] Why do you need that information? [18:56] it's public [18:56] and because you've been known not to be honest, so I looked at what you where running [18:57] ikonia, you have sinister intentions, and now I have even more reason not to trust you after your excess harassment since August 12 [18:58] ok [18:58] hehh [18:59] SamwiseGamgee: it goes into ram..... and will go poof once ram goes :).... unless you boot with a liveUSB then uses the "persisten storage" [18:59] thanks, bprompt, that's what I wanted to hear === paolo_ is now known as faLUCE [20:37] Good day [20:38] I have a problem. I hope somebody here can help me with it. [20:38] I have upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 [20:39] the upgrade was messed up because the LaTeX packages couldn't be updated [20:39] so I purged them away [20:39] fixed the rest of the upgrade [20:39] and then I reinstalled them [20:39] but the installation failed [20:40] I'll paste the error message [20:40] An error occurred while applying changes: [20:40] tex-common subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 texlive-xetex dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-german dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-arabic dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-plain-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-music dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-humanities dependency [20:40] problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-pictures dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-base-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-publishers dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-games dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-greek dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex- [20:40] recommended-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-czechslovak dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-cjk dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-full dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-sanskrit dependency problems - leaving unconfigured lmodern dependency problems - leaving unconfigured tex-gyre dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-base [20:40] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-recommended dependency problems - leaving unconfigured cm-super-minimal dependency problems - leaving unconfigured cm-super [20:40] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-metapost dependency problems - leaving unconfigured context dependency problems - leaving unconfigured context-modules dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-font-utils dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-extra-utils dependency problems - leaving unconfigured feynmf dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-xcolor dependency problems - [20:40] leaving unconfigured pgf dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-beamer dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-common dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-chinese dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-japanese dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-korean dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-other dependency problems - leaving [20:40] unconfigured latex-cjk-thai dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-all dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latexmk dependency problems - leaving unconfigured m-tx dependency problems - leaving unconfigured musixtex dependency problems - leaving unconfigured pmx dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-generic-recommended dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-pstricks [20:40] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured prosper dependency problems - leaving unconfigured purifyeps dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-bibtex-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-fonts-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-fonts-extra-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [20:41] Ossido you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted [20:41] well.. now we know what the log says =) [20:42] anyway, that was the error. [20:42] but now I have no idea what do do [20:42] and LaTeX is critical for me [20:42] Ossido: Where are you now in the update process? [20:43] you mean the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04? [20:43] it's finished [20:43] the system works [20:43] Ossido: So you are running 14.04? [20:43] yes [20:43] Ossido: Have you rebooted after the upgrade? [20:43] yes, may times [20:43] *many [20:44] Ossido: Allright, can you pastebin the apt-get output when you try to install latex? [20:44] !paste | Ossido [20:44] Ossido: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [20:44] I had a small thing to fix with the graphic drivers, before tackling this issue with TeX [20:44] wait, you want me to try and reinstall it again? [20:46] Ossido: You said it would fail, I would like to see the error. [20:47] I was using muon [20:47] the error that I pasted is all the error message that I got [20:47] Ossido: That one is unreadable and likely incomplete. Please use apt to install it and provide me with the output ;) [20:47] but now the package manager is a bit fucked up. I tried running dpkg --configure -a [20:48] and I get tons of errors [20:49] Ossido: Please watch your language. [20:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125294/ [20:49] this is the complete output from dpkg --configure -a [20:50] Hello. I have a notebook which has VGA and HDMI ports, to which I connected two monitors, one to the VGA port, one to the HDMI port (which connects through a HDMI to DVI adapter to a DVI monitor). However I can only see a single monitor at any given time. Why? In KDE's settings ~> Display configuration I can see three monitors, and when I activate the 2nd monitor nothing happens. Using proprietary nvidia drivers. [20:50] oh, I'm sorry. It's difficult to get the right amount of emphasis in a foreign language [20:50] Ossido: Purge tex-common and try to reinstall the latex package. [20:51] ok, this is what I did the first time [20:51] I'm going ot do it again, but it may well take one hour [20:51] Ossido: This is a family friendly channel, thats why we don't like strong language ;) [20:51] the latex package is huge [20:52] I'm running apt-get purge tex-common [20:53] this is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125332/ [20:54] YES or no? [20:54] Ossido: Looks like only tex packets are among them. Should be fine. [20:56] it's doing it. It looks it could take a while [20:56] Ossido: Likely. [20:57] thank you very much for your help [20:58] Ossido: No problem, I know how annoying these package problems can be ;) [20:59] and LaTeX is essential for me [20:59] hmm, I get MetaMode 1 of Screen 0 has more than 2 active display devices when activating from NVIDIA X Server config [21:00] I'm also noticing that the system is quite slow, but this will be a problem for another day [21:07] ok, it has finished [21:07] do you want to see the output? [21:08] I don't see errors, but a couple of warnings [21:09] here, this is the full output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125409/ [21:10] so now I should apt-get install tex-common ? [21:10] Ossido: It would probably be a good idea to remove that directory. (or at least move/rename it) [21:11] Ossido: Now install what you would normally install. Latex or something. [21:11] I would normally install texlive-full [21:11] wich is really huge and would take more than one hour [21:11] and I have already done it [21:12] so, I think it's better to do onlt tex-common [21:12] the problem is in there [21:12] Ossido: My guess is that it is best to let tex-common be pulled in as a dependency. [21:13] but first, there are 4 folders generating the warnings [21:13] I'll remove them [21:13] I'm just curious, Ossido - do you use kile? [21:14] yes, I do [21:14] perhaps just install that, then? [21:14] it should pull in everything it needs [21:14] I agree with valorie [21:15] mmh, ok [21:15] I assume we focus on that in packaging [21:15] I need more than the basics, but the problem should already be there [21:15] however, the directory that gives problems doesn't exist! [21:17] what's the command to remove a directory? [21:17] rm ? [21:17] rm -R ? [21:19] Ossido: rm -r (but if you are sudo don't just hit enter) [21:19] uh? [21:19] rm: descend into write-protected directory ‘tex’? [21:20] (without sudo) [21:20] Ossido: If the directory is outside your home dir it is owned by root. [21:21] yes, so do I erase it or not? [21:22] Ossido: Is it the '/etc/texmf/texmf.d' dir? If so, yes. [21:22] I was talking about etc/texmf/tex [21:23] but that one too [21:23] Ossido: I don't see why /textmf/tex should be removed. [21:24] it was one of the 4 directories generating the warnings [21:25] /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdftex /etc/texmf/tex /usr/share/doc/texmf/latex /etc/texmf/texmf.d [21:26] two of those 4 don't exist, the other two are /etc/texmf/tex and /etc/texmf/texmf.d [21:26] Hmm, of that only the two /etc could cause trouble. Just delete those. [21:26] ok [21:27] now I run apt-get install kile ? [21:27] Hi all, how would I know the thermal trip points of my CPU from the command line? [21:28] Ossido: Yes. [21:28] kamesh: Install lm-sensors. [21:28] it pulls in 28 other packages [21:28] tex-common among them [21:29] it's downloading [21:29] * valorie holds her breath [21:29] actually, it's already installing, they were already downloaded [21:29] lordievader: I have heard of lmsensors. I read that it gives the temperature of the CPU. I am interested in the critical temperature beyond which if you go the CPU will burn :) [21:29] Does lmsensors give that info? [21:30] kamesh, man lmsensors might tell you? [21:31] kamesh: It gives a high and critical, yes. How trustworthy they are? I hope I will never find out. [21:31] Ossido: The installing part is the hardest ;) [21:36] mmh, maybe there is some problem with shared-mime-info (1.2-0ubuntu3) [21:36] it is giving many Unknown media type in type 'xxxxxxxxxx [21:37] but it's still working [21:37] lordievader: Great. Installed lm-sensors and it is now reporting the critical temperature. Do you know what controls that temperature. I mean does the firmware controls the crictical temperature or is it hardware level (CPU level)? [21:37] kamesh: It is likely set by the manufacturer. [21:37] Ossido: I get that same error sometimes [21:37] lordievader: of the CPU or of the laptop? [21:39] kamesh: CPU. [21:39] lordievader: So, that value cannot be changed in the bios or someother place? [21:40] kamesh: No, why would you want to change it? [21:40] I completely understand that it should not be tinkered with [21:41] now there are lots of warnings about old configuration files being found here and there, but it keeps going [21:42] I am just doing research on this aspect. I want to run some experiments by disabling the fan. If the fan is disabled then the CPU sort of throttles. I mean does frequency and voltage scaling to keep the temperature under control. One could request the OS not to do that throttling. I would like to know if the critical temperature can also be controlled somehow? [21:43] oh, it has finished without errors [21:43] to get proper readings I do not want any other part controlling the CPU temp. [21:44] this is the full output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125625/ [21:46] let's wait for lordievader to return [21:47] yes [21:47] but I'm wondering if those warnings are a packaging error somehow [21:56] hmmmm [21:57] no lordievader [21:57] sigh [21:57] I suggest doing some tests, and seeing if those error messages are true for you [21:57] well, apparently tex-common was installed correctly, which is already something [21:57] you can always move the config file, and a new one will be created [21:58] like what? trying to compile a tex document? [21:58] that's quite a few minutes of work though if you don't need to [21:58] yes, create a test doc doing some of the things you really usually need [21:59] but keep those error messages around for a possible bug report [21:59] I'll just recompile one of my real files [21:59] ok [22:02] no joy [22:02] it doesn't work [22:03] for some reason Kile doesn't let me copy the log === Unit193 is now known as TheMaster [22:03] but it just says [22:03] finished with error code 1 [22:04] File 'comment.sty' not found. \usepackage [22:04] that's it [22:04] ah, stupid me, of course [22:04] it's a normale error [22:05] I'm using a package that's not in tex-common [22:05] so it complains [22:09] if I try with a very bare document, it compiles [22:09] but I need more packages than just tex-common [22:11] one cli command that helps a lot is apt-cache search [22:11] but for me, I would first install all those recommends [22:11] asymptote context dblatex kile-l10n kbibtex latex2html lilypond tex4ht [22:11] texlive-doc-base texlive-xetex perl-tk fragmaster latexmk purifyeps [22:12] you can install them in one big line [22:12] should I do it now? [22:12] and you could have done it in the first place with apt-get install kile --recommends [22:12] I believe [22:12] try it and see if that helps [22:12] ok [22:13] mmh [22:14] Package texlive-doc-base is not available, but is referred to by another package. [22:14] This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [22:14] is only available from another source [22:14] E: Package 'texlive-doc-base' has no installation candidate [22:14] fvenez@fvenez-N53Jq:~$ [22:15] !info texlive-doc-base [22:15] Package texlive-doc-base does not exist in trusty [22:15] ossido, please do `ubuntu-bug kile` in the cli [22:16] and paste in your command and that error report [22:16] perhaps the filename has changed, but that is def. a packaging error on our part [22:17] assuming you are using trusty? [22:18] yes, I upgraded to trusty today [22:18] that's the source of all my problems [22:18] of course it's the weekend, and doctor who day [22:18] so I doubt many packagers are about [22:18] what is ubuntu-bug supposed to do? [22:19] here I have a small window saying "Collecting problem informations" [22:19] it gathers all the info it needs [22:19] and then opens you up in the correct page in launchpad, as I recall [22:19] ok [22:20] but if it's a genuine bug, I'm surprised it hasn't been found and fixed before. I've waited until now to do the upgrade to avoid the worst bugs [22:20] it shortcuts the pain of filing a bug considerably [22:21] many people feel that latex is another pain which should be avoided if possible, as well [22:21] what? It's a critical software [22:21] lots of people depend on it [22:22] the people who usually use it are writing manuscripts such as thesis or science papers, I find [22:22] I agree [22:22] but perhaps no one is doing exactly what you are doing [22:22] well, I am writing science papers, precisely [22:23] believe me, if it is just a package changing names, it can be fixed quickly [22:23] ok, the little window has finished [22:23] but it doesn't want me to paste anything [22:24] ah, it sent me to lounchpad [22:25] and Invalid OpenID transaction [22:25] I fear the bug report didn't work [22:26] damn it [22:26] you don't have a launchpad account? [22:26] no [22:27] well, you should be able to file a bug anyway [22:27] that in itself is a bug [22:27] damn it [22:28] should I retry? [22:29] if you have the patience to do so [22:29] it's ok [22:29] ho [22:29] it was superfast this time [22:30] nice! [22:30] it's better for the packagers to have a bug report to respond to [22:31] but it wants me to log in [22:32] also, what is Ubuntu One? [22:32] it forces me to create an account [22:33] it's the single-signon [22:33] it does want an email so they can check and see if their fix is actually a fix [22:33] so that does make sense [22:33] sort of icky though [22:34] I'm going to pick a ridiculously weak password, and I won't make any attempt at remembering it, or the existence of this account [22:35] thank you for suffering through this [22:35] you are making *buntu better [22:36] it's not enough [22:36] they need to veryfy my email address [22:37] * valorie holds Ossido's hand [22:37] in all this, my system is also quite unresponsive [22:37] certainly much slower than before the upgrade [22:38] I'm sorry to hear that [22:38] I have a lag of about 1.5 seconds between what I type, and what appears here on Quassel [22:38] make that 3s [22:38] ! [22:38] it's a bit random [22:38] you might run `top` in the cli [22:38] and see what's taking all your processing power [22:39] sounds like something is running amok [22:39] I did it, and nothins seemed wrong [22:39] control escape is another way to look [22:39] yes, the CPU is ok [22:39] hmmm [22:40] perhaps it's just quassel lagging [22:40] I've not used that for a few years [22:40] I went right back to Konversation [22:40] no, it's the whole KDE [22:41] I don't know yet if it's an issue with the graphic drivers [22:41] ah [22:41] or with that akonadi/virtuoso/whatever [22:41] trusty is the best yet for me [22:41] if you just upgraded, baloo might be indexing a lot [22:41] that will soon be over though [22:42] virtuoso used to be a problem, but I never see it pop up anymore [22:42] ok, I thought it could be the case [22:42] you can get iotop and see if there's a lot of I/O going on [22:42] I had this problem years ago [22:43] so, I've validated the email [22:43] and it wants another password from me? [22:43] I have logged in [22:43] but there seem to be no trace of my bug report [22:44] very well, let's try a third time [22:45] if I valued my time, I wouldn't be doing this, anyway [22:46] what should be the summary? [22:48] Ossido: Package 'texlive-doc-base' has no installation candidate [22:48] imo [22:48] it gives me 4 other bugs to look at [22:48] Do any of the following bugs describe the bug you're trying to report? [22:49] do they? [22:49] if you, you can add your comments, if not, go ahead and file a new bug [22:49] three of them no [22:49] I mean, if so [22:49] one maybe [22:49] but I'd say no [22:50] file a new bug then [22:50] it is unfortunate that there are so many steps to filing a bug [22:50] this concerns kile's dependencies https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/577595 [22:50] but it really is important work [22:50] Launchpad bug 577595 in kile (Ubuntu) "huge list of dependencies for Kile" [Undecided,Fix released] [22:51] Ossido: but this was not a dependency [22:51] it was a suggest [22:52] well, his "bug" (I don't think it's a bug) is that the suggest are too big and not really necessary [22:52] I'll file a new one [22:53] thank you [22:53] Hello world [22:54] ok, finished the bug report [22:54] hi Gtownspartan, what can we help you with? [22:54] Ossido: thank you for your contribution [22:54] just one thing, should I try to repair the package manager somehow? [22:55] various cleanups [22:55] I just intalled this irc client and I'm trying to connect to the same servers I did when I was with mirc [22:55] how do I access the other chat rooms [22:56] Gtownspartan: other channels on this server: /join #channelname [22:57] other servers I would set up in your client settings [22:57] what client are you using? [22:57] Konversation [22:58] File > Server list [22:58] add the servers in there, and which chans you want to auto-join [22:59] and whether or not you want the servers to auto-start when you start up Konvi [22:59] can't join chat. it says you need to be identified with services [22:59] right, so add that in your configs there [23:00] right in the opening dialog for each server, add in the Commands section: /msg nickserv identify PA$$W0RD [23:00] with your own password of course [23:01] if the servers have nickserv [23:03] * valorie needs to run [23:03] have fun with IRC, Gtownspartan! [23:03] Konversation made me forget all about mIRC [23:03] :-) [23:05] thank you for your help, valorie [23:05] THX [23:06] Ossido: all thanks go your way === ubuntu is now known as Guest50306 [23:06] I agree with you that latex is critical software, so you helping us with Kile is really important [23:07] no I really have to run [23:08] tried to connect to efnet but keep getting unknown error [23:08] so I'll be updated via mail on the status of the bug? [23:20] server found but can't connect. what could I be missing/ [23:45] Gtownspartan: sometimes it takes awhile [23:45] some servers longer than others [23:46] Gtownspartan: also look at efnet site, and see if you have a range of connection options [23:46] sometimes you ISP blocks or slows certain calls [23:46] :(