[00:54] <wafflejock> IMO -> In my opinion
[00:54] <wafflejock> oh gone so many big gaps in kubuntu chat
[01:15] <valorie> wafflejock: this is not a chat chan
[01:16] <valorie> we keep it open for support; for chat see #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:22] <wafflejock> valorie: I'm in ubuntu which is also support was just mentioning it's rather quiet in here
[01:22] <wafflejock> #ubuntu that is
[01:23] <valorie> people sleep, work, etc.
[01:23] <valorie> much of our support is in europe, which is asleep now
[02:24] <SamwiseGamgee> Do all the new desktop PCs running Windows use amd64 processors?
[02:24] <SamwiseGamgee> I want to know if my linux Live CDs will work on them
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> I think just about every processor in the past 10 years or so has been x86_64
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Of x86 processors, that is
[02:55] <valorie> SamwiseGamgee: the live CDs will work with them
[02:55] <valorie> however, sometimes there are problems with eufi
[02:55] <valorie> !eufi
[02:55] <valorie> ok,
[02:55] <valorie> !ufi
[02:55] <valorie> !efi
[08:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:15] <jalomann> Hello
[13:14] <Naphatul> i just added the kubuntu backports ppa, there shouldn't be any issues when changes hit right?
[13:40] <tempnick_temp> Hi, maybe soeone can help me with a latex-problem? I dont see any chance to find help in another way
[13:55] <latex-help> Sry, my system crashed. Can anyone help my with a latex-problem?
[16:58] <AssociateX> Hello to all
[16:59] <BluesKaj> hi AssociateX
[16:59] <AssociateX> I have the latest LTS installed on my laptop. How do I control when my screen wants to go to sleep?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> AssociateX, systemsettings>power management
[17:01] <AssociateX> BluesKaj, thank you much!
[17:02] <AssociateX> It was so irritating to try reading a long article and having the screen dim.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> AssociateX, 'welcome
[17:30] <andi_> hello. my usbheadset doesn't work correctly. it works in the audioconfig when i press 'test' but not in firefox or other programs. please, help me.
[17:30] <andi_> i tried all audioconfigurations
[17:31] <andi_> oh damn now it works
[17:31] <andi_> tried another config
[17:31] <andi_> bye
[18:49] <SamwiseGamgee> If I run a live Kubuntu CD and my hard drive is unmounted, where does the program go when I install it?  Does it just go to my RAM?
[18:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I mean if I install a program using the live CD
[18:51] <ikonia> ram
[18:52] <SamwiseGamgee> What?
[18:52] <ikonia> it runs in ram
[18:54] <SamwiseGamgee> Why did ikonia request my CTCP version, what does that do?
[18:55] <ikonia> it shows me the version of software you are running
[18:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Why do you need that information?
[18:56] <ikonia> it's public
[18:56] <ikonia> and because you've been known not to be honest, so I looked at what you where running
[18:57] <SamwiseGamgee> ikonia, you have sinister intentions, and now I have even more reason not to trust you after your excess harassment since August 12
[18:58] <ikonia> ok
[18:58] <bprompt> hehh
[18:59] <bprompt> SamwiseGamgee:    it goes into ram..... and will go poof once ram goes  :).... unless you boot with a liveUSB then uses the "persisten storage"
[18:59] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks, bprompt, that's what I wanted to hear
[20:37] <Ossido> Good day
[20:38] <Ossido> I have a problem. I hope somebody here can help me with it.
[20:38] <Ossido> I have upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04
[20:39] <Ossido> the upgrade was messed up because the LaTeX packages couldn't be updated
[20:39] <Ossido> so I purged them away
[20:39] <Ossido> fixed the rest of the upgrade
[20:39] <Ossido> and then I reinstalled them
[20:39] <Ossido> but the installation failed
[20:40] <Ossido> I'll paste the error message
[20:40] <Ossido> An error occurred while applying changes:
[20:40] <Ossido> tex-common subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 texlive-xetex dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-german dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-arabic dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-plain-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-music dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-humanities dependency
[20:40] <Ossido> problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-pictures dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-base-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-publishers dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-games dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-greek dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-
[20:40] <Ossido> recommended-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-czechslovak dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-cjk dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-full dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-sanskrit dependency problems - leaving unconfigured lmodern dependency problems - leaving unconfigured tex-gyre dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-base
[20:40] <Ossido>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-latex-recommended dependency problems - leaving unconfigured cm-super-minimal dependency problems - leaving unconfigured cm-super
[20:40] <Ossido> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-metapost dependency problems - leaving unconfigured context dependency problems - leaving unconfigured context-modules dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-font-utils dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-extra-utils dependency problems - leaving unconfigured feynmf dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-xcolor dependency problems -
[20:40] <Ossido>  leaving unconfigured pgf dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-beamer dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-common dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-chinese dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-japanese dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-korean dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-lang-other dependency problems - leaving
[20:40] <Ossido> unconfigured latex-cjk-thai dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latex-cjk-all dependency problems - leaving unconfigured latexmk dependency problems - leaving unconfigured m-tx dependency problems - leaving unconfigured musixtex dependency problems - leaving unconfigured pmx dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-generic-recommended dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-pstricks
[20:40] <Ossido> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured prosper dependency problems - leaving unconfigured purifyeps dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-bibtex-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-fonts-extra dependency problems - leaving unconfigured texlive-fonts-extra-doc dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[20:41] <unopaste> Ossido you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[20:41] <bprompt> well.. now we know what the log says  =)
[20:42] <Ossido> anyway, that was the error.
[20:42] <Ossido> but now I have no idea what do do
[20:42] <Ossido> and LaTeX is critical for me
[20:42] <lordievader> Ossido: Where are you now in the update process?
[20:43] <Ossido> you mean the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04?
[20:43] <Ossido> it's finished
[20:43] <Ossido> the system works
[20:43] <lordievader> Ossido: So you are running 14.04?
[20:43] <Ossido> yes
[20:43] <lordievader> Ossido: Have you rebooted after the upgrade?
[20:43] <Ossido> yes, may times
[20:43] <Ossido> *many
[20:44] <lordievader> Ossido: Allright, can you pastebin the apt-get output when you try to install latex?
[20:44] <lordievader> !paste | Ossido
[20:44] <Ossido> I had a small thing to fix with the graphic drivers, before tackling this issue with TeX
[20:44] <Ossido> wait, you want me to try and reinstall it again?
[20:46] <lordievader> Ossido: You said it would fail, I would like to see the error.
[20:47] <Ossido> I was using muon
[20:47] <Ossido> the error that I pasted is all the error message that I got
[20:47] <lordievader> Ossido: That one is unreadable and likely incomplete. Please use apt to install it and provide me with the output ;)
[20:47] <Ossido> but now the package manager is a bit fucked up. I tried running dpkg --configure -a
[20:48] <Ossido> and I get tons of errors
[20:49] <lordievader> Ossido: Please watch your language.
[20:49] <Ossido> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125294/
[20:49] <Ossido> this is the complete output from  dpkg --configure -a
[20:50] <CodePulsar> Hello. I have a notebook which has VGA and HDMI ports, to which I connected two monitors, one to the VGA port, one to the HDMI port (which connects through a HDMI to DVI adapter to a DVI monitor). However I can only see a single monitor at any given time. Why? In KDE's settings ~> Display configuration I can see three monitors, and when I activate the 2nd monitor nothing happens. Using proprietary nvidia drivers.
[20:50] <Ossido> oh, I'm sorry. It's difficult to get the right amount of emphasis in a foreign language
[20:50] <lordievader> Ossido: Purge tex-common and try to reinstall the latex package.
[20:51] <Ossido> ok, this is what I did the first time
[20:51] <Ossido> I'm going ot do it again, but it may well take one hour
[20:51] <lordievader> Ossido: This is a family friendly channel, thats why we don't like strong language ;)
[20:51] <Ossido> the latex package is huge
[20:52] <Ossido> I'm running apt-get purge tex-common
[20:53] <Ossido> this is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125332/
[20:54] <Ossido> YES or no?
[20:54] <lordievader> Ossido: Looks like only tex packets are among them. Should be fine.
[20:56] <Ossido> it's doing it. It looks it could take a while
[20:56] <lordievader> Ossido: Likely.
[20:57] <Ossido> thank you very much for your help
[20:58] <lordievader> Ossido: No problem, I know how annoying these package problems can be ;)
[20:59] <Ossido> and LaTeX is essential for me
[20:59] <CodePulsar> hmm, I get MetaMode 1 of Screen 0 has more than 2 active display devices when activating from NVIDIA X Server config
[21:00] <Ossido> I'm also noticing that the system is quite slow, but this will be a problem for another day
[21:07] <Ossido> ok, it has finished
[21:07] <Ossido> do you want to see the output?
[21:08] <Ossido> I don't see errors, but a couple of warnings
[21:09] <Ossido> here, this is the full output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125409/
[21:10] <Ossido> so now I should apt-get install tex-common   ?
[21:10] <lordievader> Ossido: It would probably be a good idea to remove that directory. (or at least move/rename it)
[21:11] <lordievader> Ossido: Now install what you would normally install. Latex or something.
[21:11] <Ossido> I would normally install texlive-full
[21:11] <Ossido> wich is really huge and would take more than one hour
[21:11] <Ossido> and I have already done it
[21:12] <Ossido> so, I think it's better to do onlt tex-common
[21:12] <Ossido> the problem is in there
[21:12] <lordievader> Ossido: My guess is that it is best to let tex-common be pulled in as a dependency.
[21:13] <Ossido> but first, there are 4 folders generating the warnings
[21:13] <Ossido> I'll remove them
[21:13] <valorie> I'm just curious, Ossido - do you use kile?
[21:14] <Ossido> yes, I do
[21:14] <valorie> perhaps just install that, then?
[21:14] <valorie> it should pull in everything it needs
[21:14] <lordievader> I agree with valorie
[21:15] <Ossido> mmh, ok
[21:15] <valorie> I assume we focus on that in packaging
[21:15] <Ossido> I need more than the basics, but the problem should already be there
[21:15] <Ossido> however, the directory that gives problems doesn't exist!
[21:17] <Ossido> what's the command to remove a directory?
[21:17] <Ossido> rm ?
[21:17] <Ossido> rm -R ?
[21:19] <lordievader> Ossido: rm -r (but if you are sudo don't just hit enter)
[21:19] <Ossido> uh?
[21:19] <Ossido> rm: descend into write-protected directory ‘tex’?
[21:20] <Ossido> (without sudo)
[21:20] <lordievader> Ossido: If the directory is outside your home dir it is owned by root.
[21:21] <Ossido> yes, so do I erase it or not?
[21:22] <lordievader> Ossido: Is it the '/etc/texmf/texmf.d' dir? If so, yes.
[21:22] <Ossido> I was talking about etc/texmf/tex
[21:23] <Ossido> but that one too
[21:23] <lordievader> Ossido: I don't see why /textmf/tex should be removed.
[21:24] <Ossido> it was one of the 4 directories generating the warnings
[21:25] <Ossido> /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdftex /etc/texmf/tex /usr/share/doc/texmf/latex /etc/texmf/texmf.d
[21:26] <Ossido> two of those 4 don't exist, the other two are  /etc/texmf/tex  and  /etc/texmf/texmf.d
[21:26] <lordievader> Hmm, of that only the two /etc could cause trouble. Just delete those.
[21:26] <Ossido> ok
[21:27] <Ossido> now I run apt-get install kile ?
[21:27] <kamesh> Hi all, how would I know the thermal trip points of my CPU from the command line?
[21:28] <lordievader> Ossido: Yes.
[21:28] <lordievader> kamesh: Install lm-sensors.
[21:28] <Ossido> it pulls in 28 other packages
[21:28] <Ossido> tex-common among them
[21:29] <Ossido> it's downloading
[21:29]  * valorie holds her breath
[21:29] <Ossido> actually, it's already installing, they were already downloaded
[21:29] <kamesh> lordievader: I have heard of lmsensors. I read that it gives the temperature of the CPU. I am interested in the critical temperature beyond which if you go the CPU will burn :)
[21:29] <kamesh> Does lmsensors give that info?
[21:30] <valorie> kamesh, man lmsensors might tell you?
[21:31] <lordievader> kamesh: It gives a high and critical, yes. How trustworthy they are? I hope I will never find out.
[21:31] <lordievader> Ossido: The installing part is the hardest ;)
[21:36] <Ossido> mmh, maybe there is some problem with shared-mime-info (1.2-0ubuntu3)
[21:36] <Ossido> it is giving many Unknown media type in type 'xxxxxxxxxx
[21:37] <Ossido> but it's still working
[21:37] <kamesh> lordievader: Great. Installed lm-sensors and it is now reporting the critical temperature. Do you know what controls that temperature. I mean does the firmware controls the crictical temperature or is it hardware level (CPU level)?
[21:37] <lordievader> kamesh: It is likely set by the manufacturer.
[21:37] <valorie> Ossido: I get that same error sometimes
[21:37] <kamesh> lordievader: of the CPU or of the laptop?
[21:39] <lordievader> kamesh: CPU.
[21:39] <kamesh> lordievader: So, that value cannot be changed in the bios or someother place?
[21:40] <lordievader> kamesh: No, why would you want to change it?
[21:40] <kamesh> I completely understand that it should not be tinkered with
[21:41] <Ossido> now there are lots of warnings about old configuration files being found here and there, but it keeps going
[21:42] <kamesh> I am just doing research on this aspect. I want to run some experiments by disabling the fan. If the fan is disabled then the CPU sort of throttles. I mean does frequency and voltage scaling to keep the temperature under control. One could request the OS not to do that throttling. I would like to know if the critical temperature can also be controlled somehow?
[21:43] <Ossido> oh, it has finished without errors
[21:43] <kamesh> to get proper readings I do not want any other part controlling the CPU temp.
[21:44] <Ossido> this is the full output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8125625/
[21:46] <valorie> let's wait for lordievader to return
[21:47] <Ossido> yes
[21:47] <valorie> but I'm wondering if those warnings are a packaging error somehow
[21:56] <valorie> hmmmm
[21:57] <valorie> no lordievader
[21:57] <Ossido> sigh
[21:57] <valorie> I suggest doing some tests, and seeing if those error messages are true for you
[21:57] <Ossido> well, apparently tex-common was installed correctly, which is already something
[21:57] <valorie> you can always move the config file, and a new one will be created
[21:58] <Ossido> like what? trying to compile a tex document?
[21:58] <valorie> that's quite a few minutes of work though if you don't need to
[21:58] <valorie> yes, create a test doc doing some of the things you really usually need
[21:59] <valorie> but keep those error messages around for a possible bug report
[21:59] <Ossido> I'll just recompile one of my real files
[21:59] <valorie> ok
[22:02] <Ossido> no joy
[22:02] <Ossido> it doesn't work
[22:03] <Ossido> for some reason Kile doesn't let me copy the log
[22:03] <Ossido> but it just says
[22:03] <Ossido> finished with error code 1
[22:04] <Ossido> File 'comment.sty' not found. \usepackage
[22:04] <Ossido> that's it
[22:04] <Ossido> ah, stupid me, of course
[22:04] <Ossido> it's a normale error
[22:05] <Ossido> I'm using a package that's not in tex-common
[22:05] <Ossido> so it complains
[22:09] <Ossido> if I try with a very bare document, it compiles
[22:09] <Ossido> but I need more packages than just tex-common
[22:11] <valorie> one cli command that helps a lot is apt-cache search
[22:11] <valorie> but for me, I would first install all those recommends
[22:11] <valorie> asymptote context dblatex kile-l10n kbibtex latex2html lilypond tex4ht
[22:11] <valorie>   texlive-doc-base texlive-xetex perl-tk fragmaster latexmk purifyeps
[22:12] <valorie> you can install them in one big line
[22:12] <Ossido> should I do it now?
[22:12] <valorie> and you could have done it in the first place with apt-get install kile --recommends
[22:12] <valorie> I believe
[22:12] <valorie> try it and see if that helps
[22:12] <Ossido> ok
[22:13] <Ossido> mmh
[22:14] <Ossido> Package texlive-doc-base is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[22:14] <Ossido> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[22:14] <Ossido> is only available from another source
[22:14] <Ossido> E: Package 'texlive-doc-base' has no installation candidate
[22:14] <Ossido> fvenez@fvenez-N53Jq:~$
[22:15] <valorie> !info texlive-doc-base
[22:15] <valorie> ossido, please do `ubuntu-bug kile` in the cli
[22:16] <valorie> and paste in your command and that error report
[22:16] <valorie> perhaps the filename has changed, but that is def. a packaging error on our part
[22:17] <valorie> assuming you are using trusty?
[22:18] <Ossido> yes, I upgraded to trusty today
[22:18] <Ossido> that's the source of all my problems
[22:18] <valorie> of course it's the weekend, and doctor who day
[22:18] <valorie> so I doubt many packagers are about
[22:18] <Ossido> what is ubuntu-bug supposed to do?
[22:19] <Ossido> here I have a small window saying "Collecting problem informations"
[22:19] <valorie> it gathers all the info it needs
[22:19] <valorie> and then opens you up in the correct page in launchpad, as I recall
[22:19] <Ossido> ok
[22:20] <Ossido> but if it's a genuine bug, I'm surprised it hasn't been found and fixed before. I've waited until now to do the upgrade to avoid the worst bugs
[22:20] <valorie> it shortcuts the pain of filing a bug considerably
[22:21] <valorie> many people feel that latex is another pain which should be avoided if possible, as well
[22:21] <Ossido> what? It's a critical software
[22:21] <Ossido> lots of people depend on it
[22:22] <valorie> the people who usually use it are writing manuscripts such as thesis or science papers, I find
[22:22] <valorie> I agree
[22:22] <valorie> but perhaps no one is doing exactly what you are doing
[22:22] <Ossido> well, I am writing science papers, precisely
[22:23] <valorie> believe me, if it is just a package changing names, it can be fixed quickly
[22:23] <Ossido> ok, the little window has finished
[22:23] <Ossido> but it doesn't want me to paste anything
[22:24] <Ossido> ah, it sent me to lounchpad
[22:25] <Ossido> and Invalid OpenID transaction
[22:25] <Ossido> I fear the bug report didn't work
[22:26] <valorie> damn it
[22:26] <valorie> you don't have a launchpad account?
[22:26] <Ossido> no
[22:27] <valorie> well, you should be able to file a bug anyway
[22:27] <valorie> that in itself is a bug
[22:27] <valorie> damn it
[22:28] <Ossido> should I retry?
[22:29] <valorie> if you have the patience to do so
[22:29] <Ossido> it's ok
[22:29] <Ossido> ho
[22:29] <Ossido> it was superfast this time
[22:30] <valorie> nice!
[22:30] <valorie> it's better for the packagers to have a bug report to respond to
[22:31] <Ossido> but it wants me to log in
[22:32] <Ossido> also, what is Ubuntu One?
[22:32] <Ossido> it forces me to create an account
[22:33] <valorie> it's the single-signon
[22:33] <valorie> it does want an email so they can check and see if their fix is actually a fix
[22:33] <valorie> so that does make sense
[22:33] <valorie> sort of icky though
[22:34] <Ossido> I'm going to pick a ridiculously weak password, and I won't make any attempt at remembering it, or the existence of this account
[22:35] <valorie> thank you for suffering through this
[22:35] <valorie> you are making *buntu better
[22:36] <Ossido> it's not enough
[22:36] <Ossido> they need to veryfy my email address
[22:37]  * valorie holds Ossido's hand
[22:37] <Ossido> in all this, my system is also quite unresponsive
[22:37] <Ossido> certainly much slower than before the upgrade
[22:38] <valorie> I'm sorry to hear that
[22:38] <Ossido> I have a lag of about 1.5 seconds between what I type, and what appears here on Quassel
[22:38] <Ossido> make that 3s
[22:38] <valorie> !
[22:38] <Ossido> it's a bit random
[22:38] <valorie> you might run `top` in the cli
[22:38] <valorie> and see what's taking all your processing power
[22:39] <valorie> sounds like something is running amok
[22:39] <Ossido> I did it, and nothins seemed wrong
[22:39] <valorie> control escape is another way to look
[22:39] <Ossido> yes, the CPU is ok
[22:39] <valorie> hmmm
[22:40] <valorie> perhaps it's just quassel lagging
[22:40] <valorie> I've not used that for a few years
[22:40] <valorie> I went right back to Konversation
[22:40] <Ossido> no, it's the whole KDE
[22:41] <Ossido> I don't know yet if it's an issue with the graphic drivers
[22:41] <valorie> ah
[22:41] <Ossido> or with that akonadi/virtuoso/whatever
[22:41] <valorie> trusty is the best yet for me
[22:41] <valorie> if you just upgraded, baloo might be indexing a lot
[22:41] <valorie> that will soon be over though
[22:42] <valorie> virtuoso used to be a problem, but I never see it pop up anymore
[22:42] <Ossido> ok, I thought it could be the case
[22:42] <tsimpson> you can get iotop and see if there's a lot of I/O going on
[22:42] <Ossido> I had this problem years ago
[22:43] <Ossido> so, I've validated the email
[22:43] <Ossido> and it wants another password from me?
[22:43] <Ossido> I have logged in
[22:43] <Ossido> but there seem to be no trace of my bug report
[22:44] <Ossido> very well, let's try a third time
[22:45] <Ossido> if I valued my time, I wouldn't be doing this, anyway
[22:46] <Ossido> what should be the summary?
[22:48] <valorie> Ossido: Package 'texlive-doc-base' has no installation candidate
[22:48] <valorie> imo
[22:48] <Ossido> it gives me 4 other bugs to look at
[22:48] <Ossido> Do any of the following bugs describe the bug you're trying to report?
[22:49] <valorie> do they?
[22:49] <valorie> if you, you can add your comments, if not, go ahead and file a new bug
[22:49] <Ossido> three of them no
[22:49] <valorie> I mean, if so
[22:49] <Ossido> one maybe
[22:49] <Ossido> but I'd say no
[22:50] <valorie> file a new bug then
[22:50] <valorie> it is unfortunate that there are so many steps to filing a bug
[22:50] <Ossido> this concerns kile's dependencies https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/577595
[22:50] <valorie> but it really is important work
[22:51] <valorie> Ossido: but this was not a dependency
[22:51] <valorie> it was a suggest
[22:52] <Ossido> well, his "bug" (I don't think it's a bug) is that the suggest are too big and not really necessary
[22:52] <Ossido> I'll file a new one
[22:53] <valorie> thank you
[22:53] <Gtownspartan> Hello world
[22:54] <Ossido> ok, finished the bug report
[22:54] <valorie> hi Gtownspartan, what can we help you with?
[22:54] <valorie> Ossido: thank you for your contribution
[22:54] <Ossido> just one thing, should I try to repair the package manager somehow?
[22:55] <Ossido> various cleanups
[22:55] <Gtownspartan> I just intalled this irc client and I'm trying to connect to the same servers I did when I was with mirc
[22:55] <Gtownspartan> how do I access the other chat rooms
[22:56] <valorie> Gtownspartan: other channels on this server: /join #channelname
[22:57] <valorie> other servers I would set up in your client settings
[22:57] <valorie> what client are you using?
[22:57] <Gtownspartan> Konversation
[22:58] <valorie> File > Server list
[22:58] <valorie> add the servers in there, and which chans you want to auto-join
[22:59] <valorie> and whether or not you want the servers to auto-start when you start up Konvi
[22:59] <Gtownspartan> can't join chat. it says you need to be identified with services
[22:59] <valorie> right, so add that in your configs there
[23:00] <valorie> right in the opening dialog for each server, add in the Commands section: /msg nickserv identify PA$$W0RD
[23:00] <valorie> with your own password of course
[23:01] <valorie> if the servers have nickserv
[23:03]  * valorie needs to run
[23:03] <valorie> have fun with IRC, Gtownspartan!
[23:03] <valorie> Konversation made me forget all about mIRC
[23:03] <valorie> :-)
[23:05] <Ossido> thank you for your help, valorie
[23:05] <Gtownspartan> THX
[23:06] <valorie> Ossido: all thanks go your way
[23:06] <valorie> I agree with you that latex is critical software, so you helping us with Kile is really important
[23:07] <valorie> no I really have to run
[23:08] <Gtownspartan> tried to connect to efnet but keep getting unknown error
[23:08] <Ossido> so I'll be updated via mail on the status of the bug?
[23:20] <Gtownspartan> server found but can't connect. what could I be missing/
[23:45] <valorie> Gtownspartan: sometimes it takes awhile
[23:45] <valorie> some servers longer than others
[23:46] <valorie> Gtownspartan: also look at efnet site, and see if you have a range of connection options
[23:46] <valorie> sometimes you ISP blocks or slows certain calls
[23:46] <valorie> :(