[00:04] <Unit193> skellat: Have you by chance looked into apt-offline?
[00:05]  * skellat has been house painting today but is checking packages.d.o real quick
[00:06] <skellat> It is in our packageset, maintainer hasn't updated Debian-side, I'd say carry the delta *buntu-side and then that can flow upstream
[00:06] <skellat> If bluesabre is willing to pound on the code
[00:07] <Unit193> Doesn't have to, fixed in git.
[00:08] <skellat> It would still be a delta until the maintainer updated the package in Debian if we updated it on our side
[00:12]  * skellat wanders off to go look at the git tree and see about chasing down a maintainer
[00:14] <Unit193> debfx is upstream and maintainer.
[00:16] <skellat> See: https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt-offline.html
[00:16] <skellat> rrs is listed as maintainer
[00:16] <Unit193> Whoops, got my maintainers mixed up.
[00:16] <Unit193> skellat: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt-offline/apt-offline.git/commit/?id=debf1ea478ec05bbfea4005156c1652af69ebd80 isn't bad at all, FWIW.
[00:17] <skellat> Unit193: Can we just cherry pick that fix for now?
[00:18] <Unit193> bluesabre is the tech lead and Xubuntu dev, but I don't see why not.
[00:19] <skellat> bluesabre: Unit193 just passed the buck
[00:25] <skellat> Unit193: E-mailed the maintainer and BCC'd you on it
[00:25] <Unit193> Cool, WFM.  Thanks.
[00:26] <skellat> No, not work for you.  I'm in the hotseat and not you.
[00:27] <Unit193> Hah, well you know what I meant, I think.
[01:19] <bluesabre> let me know what I need to do
[01:38] <Unit193> brainwash: Dowh, your freshplayer builds done be failin', right when I want to try it again too. :(
[08:55] <brainwash> Unit193: :(
[09:18] <brainwash> Noskcaj: bug 1339911 can be closed, right?
[09:41] <Noskcaj> brainwash, no, why would it?
[09:42] <brainwash> Noskcaj: see "Utopic (2:1.2.6-1): universe/x11 "
[09:42] <Noskcaj> MRE = micro-release except = targeted at trusty
[09:42] <brainwash> oh
[09:43] <brainwash> how long does it take to actually land in trusty?
[09:44] <brainwash> should be pushed to -proposed first, right?
[09:44] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah. It's been ignored, so if you could bring some attention to it
[09:45] <brainwash> I don't feel like bothering the sru team :/
[09:46] <Noskcaj> We'll have to for the translation bug, so i'll mention it when i'm working on it
[09:54] <Noskcaj> bug 1308533 is now an SRU
[10:03] <Noskcaj> Are there any other packages that could be MREed?
[10:08] <brainwash> Noskcaj: maybe xfdesktop 4.11.7
[10:08] <brainwash> see http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/tree/NEWS
[10:09] <brainwash> the new point release also adds some small tweaks (features?)
[10:09] <brainwash> like "Add a move to trash menu option"
[10:10] <brainwash> so I'm not sure if it qualifies for MRE
[11:06] <bluesabre> ok guys, beta freeze monday... I'll be uploading packages through Sunday night. If it needs a FFe, please go ahead and write it up in advance :)
[11:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: let me know when you think elementary-xfce git is release ready
[11:08]  * bluesabre starts his morning with anime
[12:23] <bluesabre> elfy: let me know if/when you're around
[13:15] <bluesabre> anybody else see this when using the daily iso in virtualbox... http://imgur.com/VJq3BNu
[13:24] <bluesabre> suppose this is a good excuse to take gnome-boxes for a spin
[13:27] <bluesabre> ochosi: utopic, CSD with compositor: http://imgur.com/9rAtRdj and without: http://imgur.com/JHNyHXB
[13:28] <bluesabre> assuming you hadn't already checked it out
[13:51] <elfy> bluesabre: vbox - known issue I think - tty1 then tty7 and you'll be good to go 
[13:54] <bluesabre> or vmware player it seems
[13:54] <bluesabre> :)
[13:55] <bluesabre> elfy, you were having issues with light-locker-settings in utopic?
[14:29] <elfy> bluesabre: I was - it kept blanking the screen - had to blitz the autostart file in config, seems to be ok now, reusing lls and it creating a new autostart isn't causing issues
[14:29] <bluesabre> ok, which autostart file had to be killed?
[14:30] <bluesabre> screensaver?
[14:30] <elfy> lls
[14:30] <elfy> light-locker 
[14:30] <bluesabre> ah
[14:31] <bluesabre> can you pastebin your current light-locker.desktop file?
[14:31] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8122878/
[14:32] <elfy> but that's not causing an issue :)
[14:32] <bluesabre> right
[14:32] <bluesabre> probably don't have the trouble one though, right?
[14:32] <elfy> not got the one that was I'm afraid 
[14:32] <elfy> no - it'd been sitting in trash but I cleared it this morning
[14:33] <bluesabre> D:
[14:33] <elfy> all I can say is the old one looked exactly the same as ^^ except the NoDisplay=true was missing
[14:34] <elfy> the Exce= line was the same
[14:37] <elfy> was odd - everything was set right but xset q | grep timeout was 600 regardless 
[14:40] <bluesabre> ah
[14:40] <bluesabre> ok
[14:40] <bluesabre> I think I know the issue
[14:40] <elfy> currently the weather is fine with utopic all across the board for me :p
[14:41] <elfy> ok - cool
[14:41] <elfy> ochosi did say something about old ll desktop file after upgrade iirc 
[14:41] <bluesabre> when we detect a screensaver manager, we kill the screensaver autostart file (which sets xset, etc)
[14:41] <bluesabre> but we don't try to restore any default settings
[14:42] <elfy> ok, I can understand that :)
[14:42] <bluesabre> not entirely sure how to go about that, other than you need to log out once after using the new light-locker-settings
[14:42] <bluesabre> once that screensaver autostart file is gone, won't be an issue any longer
[14:43] <elfy> yep - that agrees with what I was seeing, 10 minute blanking till I removed the file
[14:43] <bluesabre> ok
[14:44] <bluesabre> we should also create a default light-locker autostart file that uses the same settings that we create with light-locker-settings
[14:44] <bluesabre> otherwise, the default is light-locker with no args
[14:44]  * bluesabre is just thinking out loud to see if anybody disagrees
[14:45]  * elfy would agree with the logic in that 
[15:07] <bluesabre> login screen panel config needs updated for lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.9... we now have a bit more flexibility with arrangement.  Did some sample configs, http://imgur.com/a/aSj6W#0
[17:15] <bluesabre> heading out for a while now, bbl
[18:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: any idea if we can fix bug 1050012 ? currently the xfce4 package has gtk3-engines-xfce on the Suggests list
[18:24] <brainwash> the bug is marked as wishlist, but I'm not sure if we can actually do anything to improve stuff
[18:24] <brainwash> other than moving gtk3-engines-xfce to Recommends
[21:00] <elfy> !team | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-230814-220012.php
[21:11] <Unit193> Another satisfied customer.
[21:14] <brainwash> like ubuntu before unity... mmh, I guess he will like the ubuntu mate spin :>
[21:15] <Unit193> That's what I was thinking, actually. ;P
[21:25] <brainwash> ali1234: any idea what's going on here bug 1087242 ?
[21:25] <ali1234> i could have a guess
[21:26] <ali1234> there are different types of fullscreen
[21:26] <ali1234> there's true fullscreen, which is like changing screen mode. SDL 1.2 does this, and it turns off external monitors. it is really annoying
[21:26] <ali1234> so now most new games use a different technique
[21:26] <ali1234> they open a normal window the same size as the primary monitor, with no decorations
[21:27] <ali1234> xfwm can't detect this type of window, so it still gets composited
[21:27] <ali1234> this is a total guess though, i would have to check the source to find out
[21:28] <ali1234> we could perhaps add some extra detection rules if this is what is happening, but it might behave strangely
[21:29] <Noskcaj> I'm not sure where the issue is, but dota 2 (and many other games) require custom launch options to work in xfce
[21:29] <ali1234> i've played dota 2 and it worked fine
[21:29] <ali1234> i do use nvidia though
[21:29] <Noskcaj> Otherwise you cannot alt-tab or click on popups
[21:29] <ali1234> everything works fine with nvidia, even with compositing enabled
[21:29] <Noskcaj> ali1234, strange, i have to have -nomousegrab on
[21:30] <Noskcaj> and apparently a lot of other people
[21:30] <Noskcaj> also, add me on dota
[21:30] <ali1234> i played it once, never again :)
[21:30] <ali1234> didn't like it
[21:30] <Noskcaj> 600 hours here
[21:30] <ali1234> not my thing, i prefer single player games
[21:31] <Noskcaj> shame.
[21:31]  * Noskcaj leaves to get food
[21:34] <brainwash> ali1234: did you see my message?
[21:35] <ali1234> about the bug? yes
[21:35] <brainwash> and did you give some answer while I was timing out? :)
[21:35] <ali1234> yes :)
[21:36] <ali1234> the problem is probably fake-fullscreen mode
[21:36] <ali1234> not a real fullscreen window, just a window with no decorations the same size as the monitor
[21:36] <ali1234> it's popular now because it works better
[21:36] <ali1234> but the window manager can't detect it
[21:36] <brainwash> ah, I'm familiar with that
[21:36] <ali1234> just a guess though
[21:36] <brainwash> makes sense
[21:37] <brainwash> want to add this information to the report?
[21:37] <ali1234> i'd prefer to confirm by checking the source code first
[21:37] <ali1234> but i'm a bit busy at the moment
[21:38] <brainwash> no need to hurry
[21:38] <ali1234> subscribe me to the bug please
[21:38] <ali1234> otherwise i'll forget
[21:39] <brainwash> done
[21:39] <ali1234> cheers
[21:39] <brainwash> it's an interesting bug report after all
[21:39] <brainwash> which had been ignored all the time