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| ochosi | elfy, bluesabre: i'm pretty sure i asked elfy to kill the screensaver autostart file, not the one for ll | 10:33 |
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| elfy | my mistake - though I've never had a screensaver autostart file in config at all | 10:36 |
| elfy | however - prior to removing the ll desktop file I had blanking at 10 minutes :) | 10:37 |
| elfy | ochosi: ^^ - all that aside, as long as we don't see the same issues from utopic when someone either installs or upgrades to it - whatever might go on with this install here is probably not that important in the scheme of things | 10:40 |
| ochosi | strange, that other file doesn't interact with the screensaver at all | 10:40 |
| elfy | yea - understood, but that's what I had :) | 10:40 |
| ochosi | true that, would still be an extremely annoying bug to have/ship | 10:41 |
| ochosi | so i'd rather make sure we don't see that | 10:41 |
| ochosi | the default in xfpm is 10 minutes by the way | 10:41 |
| ochosi | we can configure that now in x-d-s if ppl think it's too short | 10:41 |
| elfy | well most of the bugs re 10 minutes I notice are "Why does the screen blank when I'm watching a video" so we'd need to set it to 180 minutes or something :p | 10:44 |
| elfy | I agree that it would be an annoying bug to ship | 10:45 |
| elfy | this is really a personal preference I guess, I'd set it to never and then let people choose what they want | 10:46 |
| brainwash | no auto lock? | 10:48 |
| elfy | what? | 10:48 |
| brainwash | no automatic screen locking by default | 10:49 |
| elfy | <elfy> this is really a personal preference I guess | 10:49 |
| brainwash | i read that part | 10:49 |
| elfy | I have no need for it nor screen blanking :) | 10:49 |
| brainwash | but can we ship a system without auto lock (default configuration)? | 10:50 |
| ochosi | elfy: that was a bug in xdg-screensaver/xdg-utils that i already fixed for 14.04.1 | 10:50 |
| ochosi | so it shouldn't be a problem anymore in U | 10:50 |
| elfy | brainwash: oic - it's an idea, sorry :) | 10:50 |
| elfy | ochosi: okey doke | 10:51 |
| elfy | I would think that setting it much longer would be worse - someone is more likely to be in the middle of something and having a rest | 10:52 |
| elfy | all in all - I'd have thought 10 was ok | 10:53 |
| ochosi | maybe bumping it to 15mins wouldn't hurt | 10:54 |
| elfy | I'm pretty much +whatever everyone else thinks on this :) | 10:55 |
| ochosi | 15mins blank -> 20mins dpms suspend -> 30mins dpms off (or something) | 10:55 |
| elfy | perhaps talk it over in meeting, you've got my +whatever if you decide | 10:56 |
| elfy | I can't get up a terrible lot of enthusiasm for that discussion - whatever we do as default is not going to be what I use here unless we set it to never across the board | 10:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: and won't making them longer have more impact on someone using a laptop? | 10:58 |
| ochosi | we can actually set different timeouts for being on battery and being on ac | 10:59 |
| elfy | true | 11:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi: there is a pending branch for lls which is linked to a bug report for 14.04 | 11:03 |
| brainwash | https://code.launchpad.net/~regulus-kean/light-locker-settings/bug-1306917/+merge/227774 | 11:03 |
| brainwash | please take a look at it :) | 11:03 |
| bluesabre | morning folks | 11:07 |
| brainwash | knome: bug 1267442 was already marked as fix released, then it got re-opened on your request.. now it's marked as incomplete | 11:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1267442 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "Install nvidia-331 on X/K/Lubuntu results in unbootable machine" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267442 | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: re that bug, we can update the package recommends to gtk3-engines-xfce | shimmer-themes | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | er | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | not that bug | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | the other one | 11:08 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: hi :D | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | nvidia-prime works for me | 11:09 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: ok, adding them to Recommends shouldn't break anything I guess | 11:09 |
| bluesabre | nope, and it will pull the themes package in for a normal user installing | 11:10 |
| brainwash | do we only change it for ubuntu or should the change be forwarded to debian? | 11:11 |
| bluesabre | oh wait | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | hm | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | what does xfce do by default when there isn't a default config | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | I'll take a look at this later/check out debian | 11:14 |
| brainwash | ok | 11:15 |
| elfy | fwiw - not seen that bug since | 11:19 |
| brainwash | the nvidia one? | 11:22 |
| elfy | brainwash: yea | 11:35 |
| bluesabre | so, proposed light-locker defaults... | 12:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so, as i was just sayin... i think brainwash's suggestion of not auto-locking by default makes sense | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | light-locker enabled, do not autolock, but do (maybe?) lock on suspend? | 12:07 |
| elfy | I'd lock on suspend | 12:07 |
| ochosi | hm yeah, the first definitely, the third one also sounds good | 12:07 |
| ochosi | the first two i meant | 12:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: you said you had an issue with suspending and blacck screen too in utopic that was related to dpms? | 12:08 |
| bluesabre | yeah, except it was the actual lock screen going dark and not coming back | 12:09 |
| ochosi | the greeter you mean | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | I could type my password in and login, then all would be well | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | yes | 12:09 |
| ochosi | odd, so that could mean that it switches ofo dpms wise after a while | 12:09 |
| ochosi | which is normal i think | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 12:09 |
| ochosi | just the default dpms settings of the xserver | 12:09 |
| ochosi | but it not coming back is bad | 12:10 |
| ochosi | maybe we should pro-actively handle dpms in the greeter then | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | It might have been some X issues early in the cycle | 12:10 |
| ochosi | hm true | 12:10 |
| ochosi | so no reproducing it anymore? | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | haven't tried lately, disabled autolock ;) | 12:10 |
| ochosi | i see :) | 12:11 |
| bluesabre | btw, presentation mode with xfpm is awesome | 12:11 |
| ochosi | oddly this always worked for me, and i've had multiple machines (with different graphics drivers) sitting at the lockscreen for a while | 12:11 |
| ochosi | great, good to hear .) | 12:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, presentation mode basically means no need for caffeine anymore | 12:12 |
| bluesabre | I'll reenable shortly | 12:12 |
| bluesabre | and then I wondered about panel default | 12:12 |
| ochosi | the icon theme is quite release-ready | 12:12 |
| bluesabre | http://imgur.com/a/aSj6W#0 | 12:12 |
| ochosi | sergio wanted to add a few more icons, but nothing critical | 12:12 |
| ochosi | and he hasn't been around much lately | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | with greeter 1.9, the config we have loses hostname and the clock | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | but thats all labeled in the screenshots | 12:13 |
| ochosi | centered clock looks best im | 12:13 |
| ochosi | imo | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | yeah, but its no longer truly centered | 12:14 |
| ochosi | yeah, i noticed | 12:14 |
| bluesabre | its between left and right, like using xfpanel | 12:14 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, I can make it appear centered again and we can discuss this another time as well | 12:14 |
| ochosi | i guess the alternative is clock, power on the right | 12:15 |
| ochosi | but if we go for that, i'd not make the clock font bold | 12:15 |
| ochosi | or at least i'd try that | 12:15 |
| bluesabre | yeah, currently fonts are hard-coded to bold I think | 12:15 |
| ochosi | ah | 12:15 |
| ochosi | ok | 12:15 |
| bluesabre | going to fix/verify that | 12:15 |
| ochosi | guess the theme could override it | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | right | 12:16 |
| ochosi | but yeah, the layout looks ok | 12:16 |
| brainwash | do people need to manually fix the greeter panel items after upgrading to 14.10? | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: for now... going to fix with the next release | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | (1.9.1) | 12:16 |
| brainwash | nice | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | not velociraptor | 12:17 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: if you want, i can do an icon-theme release tomorrow or on tuesday | 12:17 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: icon-theme? | 12:17 |
| ochosi | i think you asked me about the readyness of elemenatary-xfce somewhere in the backlog | 12:18 |
| ochosi | err readiness | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | that would probably be fine... beta freeze is tomorrow though ;) | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | and freezes happen while I'm at work still | 12:18 |
| ochosi | ah true | 12:18 |
| ochosi | ok, today/tonight then | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | :) | 12:19 |
| bluesabre | tomorrow morning would also be acceptable for me | 12:19 |
| ochosi | problem is with the bandwidth i have here i can't referesh xubuntu-artworkj | 12:19 |
| bluesabre | right | 12:20 |
| ochosi | if you want, you could do that (it's just a simple "./debian/rules update-elementary-icons") | 12:20 |
| bluesabre | I'll leave it for you ;) | 12:20 |
| ochosi | the good thing is that we're not really bound to releases with xubuntu-artwork | 12:20 |
| bluesabre | just to confirm about panel layout, going with "centered" clock for now, and then it can be further discussed at the mtg? | 12:23 |
| ochosi | sure | 12:29 |
| ochosi | sounds good | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: have you tested the monitor=#cursor option for the greeter? | 12:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yup, when it was still in its own branch | 13:00 |
| ochosi | n ot yet in 1.9 | 13:01 |
| ochosi | it worked really great | 13:01 |
| ochosi | imo we should set the same default behavior as unity-greeter, i.e. extended desktop and #cursor | 13:01 |
| ochosi | but i guess extended desktop needs work on the xrandr front | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 13:03 |
| ochosi | anything else you wanted to discuss? | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | I think that's mainly it for pre-beta freeze | 13:07 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 13:07 |
| ochosi | i'll ping you when the icon theme is released and xubuntu-artwork is updated | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | actually | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | # screensaver-timeout = Timeout (in seconds) until the screen blanks when the greeter is called as lockscreen | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | greeter.conf | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | ochosi ^ | 13:09 |
| elfy | I'm guessing that the first beta will be tomorrow PM sometime, but I've heard nothing from -release yet- could even be tuesday as last time, stgraber is dealing this time | 13:10 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yep, what about it? | 13:11 |
| bluesabre | do we want to give that a value? | 13:12 |
| bluesabre | like, 30 seconds? | 13:12 |
| ochosi | ah right | 13:12 |
| ochosi | i guess that's a bit brief | 13:13 |
| ochosi | maybe a minute | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | eh, nvm, seems broken now | 13:15 |
| ochosi | oh awesome :/ | 13:17 |
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| ochosi | bluesabre: so i pulled the icons from git to xubuntu-artwork and bumped the changelog, so 14.10.1 of xubuntu-artwork should be ready for upload to b1 | 21:54 |
| Unit193 | forestpiskie: Does utopic seem to just overall lag more to you? | 21:55 |
| ochosi | Unit193: has there been any movement wrt testing -core lately? | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | Uh, right. So tasksel is up, all we need to do now is review the testcase/send it. | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | elfy> Unit193: anyway, re -core I've more or less got the testcase sorted, just need to be sure the order, wording works so I can get it on the | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | tracker system, balloons will deal with getting it usable for us | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | Wow, that worked well. | 21:58 |
| ochosi | ok, good to know | 21:59 |
| ochosi | keep me in the loop wrt that pls | 21:59 |
| ochosi | (now that testing can finally commence :)) | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | Want to try running the testcase? elfy was having issues as the mini.iso didn't like him. | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core | 22:01 |
| ochosi | i can try to do that on tuesday, maybe prior to the meeting | 22:01 |
| ochosi | now i gotta go to sleep | 22:02 |
| knome | nighty ochosi | 22:02 |
| ochosi | just stopped by to get the icons updated for b1 | 22:02 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 22:02 |
| ochosi | nighty everyone | 22:02 |
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