[10:33] <ochosi> elfy, bluesabre: i'm pretty sure i asked elfy to kill the screensaver autostart file, not the one for ll
[10:36] <elfy> my mistake - though I've never had a screensaver autostart file in config at all
[10:37] <elfy> however - prior to removing the ll desktop file I had blanking at 10 minutes :)
[10:40] <elfy> ochosi: ^^ - all that aside, as long as we don't see the same issues from utopic when someone either installs or upgrades to it - whatever might go on with this install here is probably not that important in the scheme of things
[10:40] <ochosi> strange, that other file doesn't interact with the screensaver at all
[10:40] <elfy> yea - understood, but that's what I had :)
[10:41] <ochosi> true that, would still be an extremely annoying bug to have/ship
[10:41] <ochosi> so i'd rather make sure we don't see that
[10:41] <ochosi> the default in xfpm is 10 minutes by the way
[10:41] <ochosi> we can configure that now in x-d-s if ppl think it's too short
[10:44] <elfy> well most of the bugs re 10 minutes I notice are "Why does the screen blank when I'm watching a video" so we'd need to set it to 180 minutes or something :p
[10:45] <elfy> I agree that it would be an annoying bug to ship 
[10:46] <elfy> this is really a personal preference I guess, I'd set it to never and then let people choose what they want
[10:48] <brainwash> no auto lock?
[10:48] <elfy> what?
[10:49] <brainwash> no automatic screen locking by default
 this is really a personal preference I guess
[10:49] <brainwash> i read that part
[10:49] <elfy> I have no need for it nor screen blanking :)
[10:50] <brainwash> but can we ship a system without auto lock (default configuration)?
[10:50] <ochosi> elfy: that was a bug in xdg-screensaver/xdg-utils that i already fixed for 14.04.1
[10:50] <ochosi> so it shouldn't be a problem anymore in U
[10:50] <elfy> brainwash: oic - it's an idea, sorry :)
[10:51] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke
[10:52] <elfy> I would think that setting it much longer would be worse - someone is more likely to be in the middle of something and having a rest 
[10:53] <elfy> all in all - I'd have thought 10 was ok
[10:54] <ochosi> maybe bumping it to 15mins wouldn't hurt
[10:55] <elfy> I'm pretty much +whatever everyone else thinks on this :)
[10:55] <ochosi> 15mins blank -> 20mins dpms suspend -> 30mins dpms off (or something)
[10:56] <elfy> perhaps talk it over in meeting, you've got my +whatever if you decide
[10:57] <elfy> I can't get up a terrible lot of enthusiasm for that discussion - whatever we do as default is not going to be what I use here unless we set it to never across the board
[10:58] <elfy> ochosi: and won't making them longer have more impact on someone using a laptop?
[10:59] <ochosi> we can actually set different timeouts for being on battery and being on ac
[11:01] <elfy> true
[11:03] <brainwash> ochosi: there is a pending branch for lls which is linked to a bug report for 14.04
[11:03] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~regulus-kean/light-locker-settings/bug-1306917/+merge/227774
[11:03] <brainwash> please take a look at it :)
[11:07] <bluesabre> morning folks
[11:08] <brainwash> knome: bug 1267442 was already marked as fix released, then it got re-opened on your request.. now it's marked as incomplete
[11:08] <bluesabre> brainwash: re that bug, we can update the package recommends to gtk3-engines-xfce | shimmer-themes
[11:08] <bluesabre> er
[11:08] <bluesabre> not that bug
[11:08] <bluesabre> the other one
[11:08] <brainwash> bluesabre: hi :D
[11:09] <bluesabre> nvidia-prime works for me
[11:09] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok, adding them to Recommends shouldn't break anything I guess
[11:10] <bluesabre> nope, and it will pull the themes package in for a normal user installing
[11:11] <brainwash> do we only change it for ubuntu or should the change be forwarded to debian?
[11:14] <bluesabre> oh wait
[11:14] <bluesabre> hm
[11:14] <bluesabre> what does xfce do by default when there isn't a default config
[11:14] <bluesabre> I'll take a look at this later/check out debian
[11:15] <brainwash> ok
[11:19] <elfy> fwiw - not seen that bug since
[11:22] <brainwash> the nvidia one?
[11:35] <elfy> brainwash: yea
[12:07] <bluesabre> so, proposed light-locker defaults...
[12:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: so, as i was just sayin... i think brainwash's suggestion of not auto-locking by default makes sense
[12:07] <bluesabre> light-locker enabled, do not autolock, but do (maybe?) lock on suspend?
[12:07] <elfy> I'd lock on suspend
[12:07] <ochosi> hm yeah, the first definitely, the third one also sounds good
[12:07] <ochosi> the first two i meant
[12:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: you said you had an issue with suspending and blacck screen too in utopic that was related to dpms?
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah, except it was the actual lock screen going dark and not coming back
[12:09] <ochosi> the greeter you mean
[12:09] <bluesabre> I could type my password in and login, then all would be well
[12:09] <bluesabre> yes
[12:09] <ochosi> odd, so that could mean that it switches ofo dpms wise after a while
[12:09] <ochosi> which is normal i think
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:09] <ochosi> just the default dpms settings of the xserver
[12:10] <ochosi> but it not coming back is bad
[12:10] <ochosi> maybe we should pro-actively handle dpms in the greeter then
[12:10] <bluesabre> It might have been some X issues early in the cycle
[12:10] <ochosi> hm true
[12:10] <ochosi> so no reproducing it anymore?
[12:10] <bluesabre> haven't tried lately, disabled autolock ;)
[12:11] <ochosi> i see :)
[12:11] <bluesabre> btw, presentation mode with xfpm is awesome
[12:11] <ochosi> oddly this always worked for me, and i've had multiple machines (with different graphics drivers) sitting at the lockscreen for a while
[12:11] <ochosi> great, good to hear .)
[12:12] <ochosi> yeah, presentation mode basically means no need for caffeine anymore
[12:12] <bluesabre> I'll reenable shortly
[12:12] <bluesabre> and then I wondered about panel default
[12:12] <ochosi> the icon theme is quite release-ready
[12:12] <bluesabre> http://imgur.com/a/aSj6W#0
[12:12] <ochosi> sergio wanted to add a few more icons, but nothing critical
[12:13] <ochosi> and he hasn't been around much lately
[12:13] <bluesabre> with greeter 1.9, the config we have loses hostname and the clock
[12:13] <bluesabre> but thats all labeled in the screenshots
[12:13] <ochosi> centered clock looks best im
[12:13] <ochosi> imo
[12:14] <bluesabre> yeah, but its no longer truly centered
[12:14] <ochosi> yeah, i noticed
[12:14] <bluesabre> its between left and right, like using xfpanel
[12:14] <bluesabre> but yeah, I can make it appear centered again and we can discuss this another time as well
[12:15] <ochosi> i guess the alternative is clock, power on the right
[12:15] <ochosi> but if we go for that, i'd not make the clock font bold
[12:15] <ochosi> or at least i'd try that
[12:15] <bluesabre> yeah, currently fonts are hard-coded to bold I think
[12:15] <ochosi> ah
[12:15] <ochosi> ok
[12:15] <bluesabre> going to fix/verify that
[12:16] <ochosi> guess the theme could override it
[12:16] <bluesabre> right
[12:16] <ochosi> but yeah, the layout looks ok
[12:16] <brainwash> do people need to manually fix the greeter panel items after upgrading to 14.10?
[12:16] <bluesabre> brainwash: for now... going to fix with the next release
[12:16] <bluesabre> (1.9.1)
[12:16] <brainwash> nice
[12:17] <bluesabre> not velociraptor
[12:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you want, i can do an icon-theme release tomorrow or on tuesday
[12:17] <bluesabre> ochosi: icon-theme?
[12:18] <ochosi> i think you asked me about the readyness of elemenatary-xfce somewhere in the backlog
[12:18] <ochosi> err readiness
[12:18] <bluesabre> that would probably be fine... beta freeze is tomorrow though ;)
[12:18] <bluesabre> and freezes happen while I'm at work still
[12:18] <ochosi> ah true
[12:18] <ochosi> ok, today/tonight then
[12:19] <bluesabre> :)
[12:19] <bluesabre> tomorrow morning would also be acceptable for me
[12:19] <ochosi> problem is with the bandwidth i have here i can't referesh xubuntu-artworkj
[12:20] <bluesabre> right
[12:20] <ochosi> if you want, you could do that (it's just a simple "./debian/rules update-elementary-icons")
[12:20] <bluesabre> I'll leave it for you ;)
[12:20] <ochosi> the good thing is that we're not really bound to releases with xubuntu-artwork
[12:23] <bluesabre> just to confirm about panel layout, going with "centered" clock for now, and then it can be further discussed at the mtg?
[12:29] <ochosi> sure
[12:29] <ochosi> sounds good
[12:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: have you tested the monitor=#cursor option for the greeter?
[13:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: yup, when it was still in its own branch
[13:01] <ochosi> n ot yet in 1.9
[13:01] <ochosi> it worked really great
[13:01] <ochosi> imo we should set the same default behavior as unity-greeter, i.e. extended desktop and #cursor
[13:02] <ochosi> but i guess extended desktop needs work on the xrandr front
[13:03] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:06] <ochosi> anything else you wanted to discuss?
[13:07] <bluesabre> I think that's mainly it for pre-beta freeze
[13:07] <ochosi> okeydokey
[13:08] <ochosi> i'll ping you when the icon theme is released and xubuntu-artwork is updated
[13:08] <bluesabre> actually
[13:08] <bluesabre> # screensaver-timeout = Timeout (in seconds) until the screen blanks when the greeter is called as lockscreen
[13:08] <bluesabre> greeter.conf
[13:09] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[13:10] <elfy> I'm guessing that the first beta will be tomorrow PM sometime, but I've heard nothing from -release yet- could even be tuesday as last time, stgraber is dealing this time
[13:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: yep, what about it?
[13:12] <bluesabre> do we want to give that a value?
[13:12] <bluesabre> like, 30 seconds?
[13:12] <ochosi> ah right
[13:13] <ochosi> i guess that's a bit brief
[13:13] <ochosi> maybe a minute
[13:15] <bluesabre> eh, nvm, seems broken now
[13:17] <ochosi> oh awesome :/
[21:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: so i pulled the icons from git to xubuntu-artwork and bumped the changelog, so 14.10.1 of xubuntu-artwork should be ready for upload to b1
[21:55] <Unit193> forestpiskie: Does utopic seem to just overall lag more to you?
[21:57] <ochosi> Unit193: has there been any movement wrt testing -core lately?
[21:58] <Unit193> Uh, right.  So tasksel is up, all we need to do now is review the testcase/send it.
[21:58] <Unit193>  elfy> Unit193: anyway, re -core I've more or less got the testcase sorted, just need to be sure the order, wording works so I can get it on the 
[21:58] <Unit193>                    tracker system, balloons will deal with getting it usable for us 
[21:58] <Unit193> Wow, that worked well.
[21:59] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[21:59] <ochosi> keep me in the loop wrt that pls
[21:59] <ochosi> (now that testing can finally commence :))
[22:01] <Unit193> Want to try running the testcase?  elfy was having issues as the mini.iso didn't like him.
[22:01] <Unit193> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core
[22:01] <ochosi> i can try to do that on tuesday, maybe prior to the meeting
[22:02] <ochosi> now i gotta go to sleep
[22:02] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[22:02] <ochosi> just stopped by to get the icons updated for b1
[22:02] <Unit193> G'night.
[22:02] <ochosi> nighty everyone