=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193 [10:33] elfy, bluesabre: i'm pretty sure i asked elfy to kill the screensaver autostart file, not the one for ll [10:36] my mistake - though I've never had a screensaver autostart file in config at all [10:37] however - prior to removing the ll desktop file I had blanking at 10 minutes :) [10:40] ochosi: ^^ - all that aside, as long as we don't see the same issues from utopic when someone either installs or upgrades to it - whatever might go on with this install here is probably not that important in the scheme of things [10:40] strange, that other file doesn't interact with the screensaver at all [10:40] yea - understood, but that's what I had :) [10:41] true that, would still be an extremely annoying bug to have/ship [10:41] so i'd rather make sure we don't see that [10:41] the default in xfpm is 10 minutes by the way [10:41] we can configure that now in x-d-s if ppl think it's too short [10:44] well most of the bugs re 10 minutes I notice are "Why does the screen blank when I'm watching a video" so we'd need to set it to 180 minutes or something :p [10:45] I agree that it would be an annoying bug to ship [10:46] this is really a personal preference I guess, I'd set it to never and then let people choose what they want [10:48] no auto lock? [10:48] what? [10:49] no automatic screen locking by default [10:49] this is really a personal preference I guess [10:49] i read that part [10:49] I have no need for it nor screen blanking :) [10:50] but can we ship a system without auto lock (default configuration)? [10:50] elfy: that was a bug in xdg-screensaver/xdg-utils that i already fixed for 14.04.1 [10:50] so it shouldn't be a problem anymore in U [10:50] brainwash: oic - it's an idea, sorry :) [10:51] ochosi: okey doke [10:52] I would think that setting it much longer would be worse - someone is more likely to be in the middle of something and having a rest [10:53] all in all - I'd have thought 10 was ok [10:54] maybe bumping it to 15mins wouldn't hurt [10:55] I'm pretty much +whatever everyone else thinks on this :) [10:55] 15mins blank -> 20mins dpms suspend -> 30mins dpms off (or something) [10:56] perhaps talk it over in meeting, you've got my +whatever if you decide [10:57] I can't get up a terrible lot of enthusiasm for that discussion - whatever we do as default is not going to be what I use here unless we set it to never across the board [10:58] ochosi: and won't making them longer have more impact on someone using a laptop? [10:59] we can actually set different timeouts for being on battery and being on ac [11:01] true [11:03] ochosi: there is a pending branch for lls which is linked to a bug report for 14.04 [11:03] https://code.launchpad.net/~regulus-kean/light-locker-settings/bug-1306917/+merge/227774 [11:03] please take a look at it :) [11:07] morning folks [11:08] knome: bug 1267442 was already marked as fix released, then it got re-opened on your request.. now it's marked as incomplete [11:08] bug 1267442 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "Install nvidia-331 on X/K/Lubuntu results in unbootable machine" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267442 [11:08] brainwash: re that bug, we can update the package recommends to gtk3-engines-xfce | shimmer-themes [11:08] er [11:08] not that bug [11:08] the other one [11:08] bluesabre: hi :D [11:09] nvidia-prime works for me [11:09] bluesabre: ok, adding them to Recommends shouldn't break anything I guess [11:10] nope, and it will pull the themes package in for a normal user installing [11:11] do we only change it for ubuntu or should the change be forwarded to debian? [11:14] oh wait [11:14] hm [11:14] what does xfce do by default when there isn't a default config [11:14] I'll take a look at this later/check out debian [11:15] ok [11:19] fwiw - not seen that bug since [11:22] the nvidia one? [11:35] brainwash: yea [12:07] so, proposed light-locker defaults... [12:07] bluesabre: so, as i was just sayin... i think brainwash's suggestion of not auto-locking by default makes sense [12:07] light-locker enabled, do not autolock, but do (maybe?) lock on suspend? [12:07] I'd lock on suspend [12:07] hm yeah, the first definitely, the third one also sounds good [12:07] the first two i meant [12:08] bluesabre: you said you had an issue with suspending and blacck screen too in utopic that was related to dpms? [12:09] yeah, except it was the actual lock screen going dark and not coming back [12:09] the greeter you mean [12:09] I could type my password in and login, then all would be well [12:09] yes [12:09] odd, so that could mean that it switches ofo dpms wise after a while [12:09] which is normal i think [12:09] yeah [12:09] just the default dpms settings of the xserver [12:10] but it not coming back is bad [12:10] maybe we should pro-actively handle dpms in the greeter then [12:10] It might have been some X issues early in the cycle [12:10] hm true [12:10] so no reproducing it anymore? [12:10] haven't tried lately, disabled autolock ;) [12:11] i see :) [12:11] btw, presentation mode with xfpm is awesome [12:11] oddly this always worked for me, and i've had multiple machines (with different graphics drivers) sitting at the lockscreen for a while [12:11] great, good to hear .) [12:12] yeah, presentation mode basically means no need for caffeine anymore [12:12] I'll reenable shortly [12:12] and then I wondered about panel default [12:12] the icon theme is quite release-ready [12:12] http://imgur.com/a/aSj6W#0 [12:12] sergio wanted to add a few more icons, but nothing critical [12:13] and he hasn't been around much lately [12:13] with greeter 1.9, the config we have loses hostname and the clock [12:13] but thats all labeled in the screenshots [12:13] centered clock looks best im [12:13] imo [12:14] yeah, but its no longer truly centered [12:14] yeah, i noticed [12:14] its between left and right, like using xfpanel [12:14] but yeah, I can make it appear centered again and we can discuss this another time as well [12:15] i guess the alternative is clock, power on the right [12:15] but if we go for that, i'd not make the clock font bold [12:15] or at least i'd try that [12:15] yeah, currently fonts are hard-coded to bold I think [12:15] ah [12:15] ok [12:15] going to fix/verify that [12:16] guess the theme could override it [12:16] right [12:16] but yeah, the layout looks ok [12:16] do people need to manually fix the greeter panel items after upgrading to 14.10? [12:16] brainwash: for now... going to fix with the next release [12:16] (1.9.1) [12:16] nice [12:17] not velociraptor [12:17] bluesabre: if you want, i can do an icon-theme release tomorrow or on tuesday [12:17] ochosi: icon-theme? [12:18] i think you asked me about the readyness of elemenatary-xfce somewhere in the backlog [12:18] err readiness [12:18] that would probably be fine... beta freeze is tomorrow though ;) [12:18] and freezes happen while I'm at work still [12:18] ah true [12:18] ok, today/tonight then [12:19] :) [12:19] tomorrow morning would also be acceptable for me [12:19] problem is with the bandwidth i have here i can't referesh xubuntu-artworkj [12:20] right [12:20] if you want, you could do that (it's just a simple "./debian/rules update-elementary-icons") [12:20] I'll leave it for you ;) [12:20] the good thing is that we're not really bound to releases with xubuntu-artwork [12:23] just to confirm about panel layout, going with "centered" clock for now, and then it can be further discussed at the mtg? [12:29] sure [12:29] sounds good [12:35] ochosi: have you tested the monitor=#cursor option for the greeter? [13:00] bluesabre: yup, when it was still in its own branch [13:01] n ot yet in 1.9 [13:01] it worked really great [13:01] imo we should set the same default behavior as unity-greeter, i.e. extended desktop and #cursor [13:02] but i guess extended desktop needs work on the xrandr front [13:03] yeah [13:06] anything else you wanted to discuss? [13:07] I think that's mainly it for pre-beta freeze [13:07] okeydokey [13:08] i'll ping you when the icon theme is released and xubuntu-artwork is updated [13:08] actually [13:08] # screensaver-timeout = Timeout (in seconds) until the screen blanks when the greeter is called as lockscreen [13:08] greeter.conf [13:09] ochosi ^ [13:10] I'm guessing that the first beta will be tomorrow PM sometime, but I've heard nothing from -release yet- could even be tuesday as last time, stgraber is dealing this time [13:11] bluesabre: yep, what about it? [13:12] do we want to give that a value? [13:12] like, 30 seconds? [13:12] ah right [13:13] i guess that's a bit brief [13:13] maybe a minute [13:15] eh, nvm, seems broken now [13:17] oh awesome :/ === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === LazyUser69 is now known as LazyUserBNC === LazyUserBNC is now known as LazyUser69 [21:54] bluesabre: so i pulled the icons from git to xubuntu-artwork and bumped the changelog, so 14.10.1 of xubuntu-artwork should be ready for upload to b1 [21:55] forestpiskie: Does utopic seem to just overall lag more to you? [21:57] Unit193: has there been any movement wrt testing -core lately? [21:58] Uh, right. So tasksel is up, all we need to do now is review the testcase/send it. [21:58] elfy> Unit193: anyway, re -core I've more or less got the testcase sorted, just need to be sure the order, wording works so I can get it on the [21:58] tracker system, balloons will deal with getting it usable for us [21:58] Wow, that worked well. [21:59] ok, good to know [21:59] keep me in the loop wrt that pls [21:59] (now that testing can finally commence :)) [22:01] Want to try running the testcase? elfy was having issues as the mini.iso didn't like him. [22:01] http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core [22:01] i can try to do that on tuesday, maybe prior to the meeting [22:02] now i gotta go to sleep [22:02] nighty ochosi [22:02] just stopped by to get the icons updated for b1 [22:02] G'night. [22:02] nighty everyone === TheMaster is now known as Unit193