| holstein | David-A: ? i didnt mean to imply that you could dd copy the iso from the stick to the stick.. | 02:56 |
|---|---|---|
| sadhash | Hmm | 02:57 |
| sadhash | Holstein: I figured out cp command, all well there | 02:57 |
| holstein | sadhash: the !install link i gave should explain it all clearly, regardless | 02:58 |
| sadhash | I'm going to try to create a new user | 02:58 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#mkusb_-_dd_image_of_iso_file_to_USB_device_safely for example | 02:59 |
| sadhash | I'm having errors. I was able to make a live usb using instructions way above | 02:59 |
| sadhash | Yeah | 02:59 |
| sadhash | But, my bios returns an error saying it can't locate isolinux.bin | 02:59 |
| sadhash | Which, I checked, is there. I checked the md5sum hash and it was solid. I'm downloading another distro to try next | 03:00 |
| holstein | i would simply take the stick i make to another machine.. if it boots on the other machine, then its likely something with the bios or hardware on the first machine | 03:01 |
| sadhash | I am living in the boondocks with only one functioning machine that had boot from usb. Old old drives | 03:01 |
| holstein | sure. you just cant assume its the stick, or the stick you are making that is the problem | 03:02 |
| sadhash | I literally bought two sticks off amazon and had two others. I've tried all 4 | 03:02 |
| sadhash | Er received the 2 today from fedex | 03:03 |
| holstein | sure, but on the *same* hardware | 03:03 |
| sadhash | Right | 03:03 |
| holstein | if the motherboard is bad, or the bios.. or usb ports.. then, *any* stick you use will have an error | 03:03 |
| sadhash | It's a new chromebox | 03:03 |
| holstein | there's your problem | 03:03 |
| sadhash | Two months old barely used | 03:03 |
| sadhash | Why? | 03:03 |
| holstein | those are tricky | 03:03 |
| cfhowlett | sadhash, very tricky - doable though | 03:04 |
| sadhash | The bios is seabios/coreboot | 03:04 |
| holstein | its not intended to just be booting USB sticks like that | 03:04 |
| holstein | sadhash: sure.. but, you *are* having issues.. and that is why.. its not the stick | 03:04 |
| sadhash | Well I know, that's why I flashed the bios | 03:04 |
| holstein | sadhash: i would put money on, if you take those sticks to other hardware, they work | 03:04 |
| cfhowlett | sadhash, http://blog.laptopmag.com/chrubuntu-transforms-199-acer-c7-chromebook-into-a-cheap-linux-laptop | 03:04 |
| sadhash | It worked from a stick like this just last week when I changed from i386 to amd64-bit | 03:04 |
| holstein | sadhash: ok.. then, change it back | 03:05 |
| sadhash | Can't, apparently. Now whatever usb I make isn't bootable | 03:05 |
| holstein | sadhash: i would ask the manufacturer how you are intended to do what you are doing.. otherwise, i say, the issue is with that particular hardware | 03:05 |
| sadhash | Of course I turned off write protect and was warned I could brick the device. But seriously? | 03:06 |
| holstein | sadhash: yes.. seriously | 03:06 |
| cfhowlett | sadhash, of course, seriously! | 03:06 |
| holstein | sadhash: you pass lots of warnings when doing what you are doing.. bricking, or making the machine not boot usb, for example | 03:06 |
| sadhash | I believe you're right, don't get it twisted | 03:07 |
| holstein | sadhash: i hope you get it sorted, or at least, can get it covered by warranty if you need to get it "Fixed" | 03:07 |
| sadhash | I have a feeling if I use another device to create the usb since the best I can tell is i broke my kernel and can't fix it | 03:07 |
| holstein | i think, having another machine around (at least one other) when you are seriously going against the grain, is a great idea.. mandatory | 03:08 |
| sadhash | You're right. What do you recommend? | 03:08 |
| holstein | *any* cheap-o pentium 4 from a thrift store, for example | 03:08 |
| cfhowlett | holstein, I like virtualbox for exactly that reason | 03:08 |
| sadhash | I have two pentium 4s | 03:08 |
| sadhash | Neither have boot from usb so they're useless to me right now | 03:09 |
| holstein | sadhash: then, use one to make the stick. and test the usb boot | 03:09 |
| holstein | sadhash: plop | 03:09 |
| holstein | http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ allows booting USB on "legacy" devices | 03:09 |
| sadhash | Sigh. They are pulled apart. Replaced ribbons. But fair enough. | 03:09 |
| sadhash | But here I have disposable income what do you recommend I do for a daily reliable device | 03:09 |
| holstein | sadhash: system76 | 03:10 |
| holstein | comes with ubuntu on it.. just get the machine with the operating system already on it.. and with a warranty, and support | 03:10 |
| sadhash | I'm impatient but I'll check their product line now | 03:10 |
| sadhash | No bloatwares? | 03:11 |
| holstein | sadhash: im not following | 03:11 |
| holstein | sadhash: ? | 03:11 |
| holstein | sadhash: im not at or working for system76.. they ship ubuntu | 03:11 |
| holstein | you want ubuntu, try buying a machine with it on there.. with support | 03:11 |
| sadhash | Useless programs installed from them | 03:11 |
| holstein | sadhash: ask them.. i dont work there | 03:11 |
| holstein | sadhash: it ships with ubuntu | 03:11 |
| sadhash | How much support? I don't normally need tech support. Lol oh well | 03:12 |
| sadhash | I'll Google them now | 03:12 |
| holstein | sadhash: you are trying to do something right now that is not supported at all.. and its not something i would do if i were "impatient".. i would, if i were into experiementing, and compromise | 03:12 |
| holstein | i have no doubt, that given plenty of time, i can get linux installed on that chromebox.. but, it wont be an example of something that happened easily.. or in a straight forward way | 03:13 |
| sadhash | I am and are but after 7 days of it being in this state my patience is thin | 03:13 |
| holstein | sadhash: sure.. but, the issue is, nothing is broken.. everything is working "as advertised".. if you are impatient, try doing something more "Stock" with support | 03:14 |
| sadhash | I understand what you're saying. | 03:14 |
| holstein | otherwise, i would get one of the p4's out, and get xubuntu installed there, so i could use it to work with the sticks.. i would want them to have usb 2.0.. | 03:16 |
| holstein | i would get the mini iso's, so that i could more quickly manage juggling a few iso's and testing the sticks i make | 03:19 |
| holstein | !mini | 03:19 |
| ubottu | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 03:19 |
| holstein | even if i dont actually install using the mini, but, just see what works, and then get a normal iso from there | 03:19 |
| === TheMaster is now known as Unit193 | ||
| icecreamice | hi | 08:24 |
| icecreamice | for some reason my battery indicator is stuck at "charging 97%" even when I remove the AC cable, what's the cause? | 08:25 |
| cfhowlett | icecreamice, battery is wearing down | 08:27 |
| icecreamice | <cfhowlett> is that a battery problem? It shows no warnings from my windows partition though. | 08:28 |
| icecreamice | Also, acpi shows "discharging" when the AC cable is out, but the one on the menu does not | 08:28 |
| cfhowlett | icecreamice, but does it charge > 97% on windows? | 08:29 |
| icecreamice | <cfhowlett> a couple of minutes ago when I removed the indicator and added it back, it was on 100% | 08:29 |
| knome | the charge levels are estimations anyway | 08:29 |
| cfhowlett | ^^^ true | 08:30 |
| icecreamice | http://a.pomf.se/vafjcz.png | 08:30 |
| icecreamice | well yeah, but I donno why it's getting stuck like that saying "charged" even when I'm not charging lolz | 08:30 |
| icecreamice | should I just reinstall or reinstall the indicator plugin somehow? | 08:31 |
| icecreamice | because I think it happend the day the updater broke some packages | 08:31 |
| icecreamice | but then I was able to reinstall these packages | 08:31 |
| cfhowlett | icecreamice, drastic measure. try this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 08:32 |
| icecreamice | I've done that a lot but ok | 08:32 |
| knome | if an update recently broke it, it's likely that an update recently will fix | 08:33 |
| icecreamice | hmm, well that time it recommended me to do a "partial upgrade" | 08:34 |
| icecreamice | and then after that it asked me to remove some old packages which I realized I had Krita in there, which deleted it | 08:34 |
| knome | that's okay if it succeeded with no errors | 08:34 |
| knome | or, in most cases, is okay | 08:34 |
| icecreamice | broke the packages for that, but after a day or two I was able to get it back somehow | 08:34 |
| icecreamice | oh I have added this PPA for a specific program | 08:36 |
| icecreamice | http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu | 08:36 |
| icecreamice | for gtk3 I think | 08:36 |
| icecreamice | also the fact that from day 1 of installation, the power settings weren't working for some reason in 14.04 | 08:37 |
| knome | well.. it's possible it's breaking things here and there, but it doesn't seem likely it's affecting the power status... but who knows. | 08:38 |
| icecreamice | I'll try to reinstall some time to see what happens and if the xfce power manager will work again | 08:38 |
| knome | it's not a small pack of replacements, it's likely replacing few dozens of packages at least | 08:38 |
| icecreamice | I set the monitor settings to "Never" and it still dims or goes to sleep lol | 08:38 |
| icecreamice | hmm | 08:39 |
| icecreamice | but for now, do you think there's an alternative power/bettery monitor that I can replace with the indicator? | 08:39 |
| icecreamice | not sure if acpi has a menu plugin but hmm | 08:39 |
| knome | if you do a clean reinstall, try if it all works without any PPA's, and if not, file a bug for it | 08:39 |
| icecreamice | sure | 08:41 |
| knome | the xfce power manager should really work, it sounds like you have a problem with fetching the battery data | 08:41 |
| icecreamice | hmm | 08:46 |
| icecreamice | donno why it isn't working though, it was back in the 13th version, but after I did upgrade to 14.04 I did do a clean reinstall of 14.0 | 08:47 |
| icecreamice | but still didn't function for me so I lived with it lolz | 08:47 |
| brainwash | icecreamice: you should open a terminal window and run "upower -d" | 08:57 |
| brainwash | and compare the output to the values shown by the indicator | 08:57 |
| icecreamice | it says "percentage: 76%" but the indicator says 97% | 08:58 |
| icecreamice | lolz | 08:58 |
| brainwash | you could enable the xfce4-power-manager tray icon and/or install xfce4-battery-plugin and add it to your panel | 09:01 |
| brainwash | and see if they also report false values | 09:01 |
| icecreamice | hmm | 09:01 |
| icecreamice | it does nothing, I tried --restart and --quit, nothing | 09:02 |
| brainwash | it? | 09:03 |
| icecreamice | `xfce4-power-manager --restart` or `xfce4-power-manager --quit` | 09:03 |
| icecreamice | not even the command itself ran anything | 09:03 |
| brainwash | try "killall xfce4-power-manager" | 09:04 |
| icecreamice | "xfce4-power-manager: no process found" lolz | 09:04 |
| icecreamice | weird | 09:04 |
| icecreamice | doesn't show anything when I run it either, it just nextlines to a new input | 09:05 |
| icecreamice | newline* | 09:05 |
| brainwash | check the process list | 09:06 |
| icecreamice | ok killed it from htop | 09:07 |
| brainwash | so it was running | 09:08 |
| brainwash | start it and then run xfce4-power-manager-settings | 09:08 |
| brainwash | now enable the system tray icon | 09:08 |
| icecreamice | the tray icon is still there | 09:09 |
| icecreamice | even after it's killed | 09:09 |
| brainwash | that's most likely the battery indicator | 09:09 |
| brainwash | called indicator-power | 09:09 |
| icecreamice | ah | 09:09 |
| icecreamice | ok Ill kill that and rerun it? | 09:10 |
| brainwash | xfce4-power-manager is able to show its own tray icon | 09:10 |
| brainwash | but it's hidden by default | 09:10 |
| brainwash | you can have both battery icons in the panel | 09:10 |
| icecreamice | I don't have indicator-power | 09:10 |
| icecreamice | but there's only one | 09:10 |
| icecreamice | even after the xfce4-power-manager is not running | 09:11 |
| brainwash | how do you know that you don't have indicator-power? | 09:11 |
| icecreamice | "indicator-power: command not found" | 09:12 |
| brainwash | nah, you can't just run it that way | 09:12 |
| icecreamice | lolz | 09:12 |
| brainwash | check "ps aux | grep indicator-power" | 09:12 |
| icecreamice | "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-power/indicator-power-service" ? | 09:13 |
| brainwash | right | 09:13 |
| brainwash | so, "you could enable the xfce4-power-manager tray icon and/or install xfce4-battery-plugin and add it to your panel" | 09:14 |
| brainwash | to check if the alternative battery indicators are also showing false data | 09:15 |
| icecreamice | I guess I'll install xfce4-battery-plugin | 09:15 |
| icecreamice | ok this one shows the right % | 09:17 |
| icecreamice | thanks lolz | 09:17 |
| brainwash | ok, indicator-power seems to be somewhat broken on your system | 09:17 |
| icecreamice | I think the Indicator is broken somehow because I can't even hide the power indicator from its setting | 09:18 |
| icecreamice | yeah | 09:18 |
| icecreamice | its "Performance" won't even work right | 09:18 |
| brainwash | you can uninstall it | 09:18 |
| icecreamice | is there a way to reinstall it somehow? | 09:18 |
| icecreamice | just indicator-power? | 09:18 |
| icecreamice | Ill check from Synaptic | 09:18 |
| brainwash | sudo apt-get install --reinstall indicator-power | 09:18 |
| brainwash | and you'll to relog once after doing so | 09:19 |
| icecreamice | ah alrighty | 09:19 |
| icecreamice | thanks | 09:19 |
| === slumlord_ is now known as Slumlord_ | ||
| xenolyse | guys, how do I change sound output device? I got a tv with hdmi that I would like to have the sound routed to. | 10:28 |
| bazhang | !info pavucontrol | 10:30 |
| ubottu | pavucontrol (source: pavucontrol): PulseAudio Volume Control. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-2 (trusty), package size 111 kB, installed size 962 kB | 10:30 |
| bazhang | !info padevchooser | 10:31 |
| ubottu | padevchooser (source: padevchooser): PulseAudio Device Chooser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-1.1 (trusty), package size 22 kB, installed size 107 kB | 10:31 |
| bazhang | try those | 10:31 |
| zleap | hi | 11:02 |
| zleap | hi | 11:09 |
| zleap | how do i install the additional drivers tool | 11:10 |
| zleap | grrrrr | 11:10 |
| Slit | Hi! Why my laptop doesn't shutdown when I click to shutdown and after that I close the lid of laptop. It goes to hibernate state instead. I have to wait to shutdown then I can close lid. | 12:00 |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| js_doode | Hello. I am trying to tweak my terminal via ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc file, but the path /terminal/terminalrc does not exist. Why is my terminal directory missing? | 16:08 |
| js_doode | By the way I am running xubuntu 14.04 lts | 16:16 |
| brainwash | js_doode: you'll need to change something via the preference window of xfce4-terminal first | 16:27 |
| brainwash | otherwise this user config file will not exist | 16:28 |
| js_doode | brainwash: ok. Do you know what is that "something"? | 16:42 |
| drc | js_doode: Any change...font/size, colors...anything to make a change to the terminal | 16:43 |
| js_doode | drc: gotcha. ;) | 16:44 |
| js_doode | drc, brainwash worked like a top. thank you. | 16:45 |
| drc | np | 16:47 |
| === azeam_afk is now known as azeam | ||
| schocky | hey there | 19:11 |
| xubuntu004 | hi all | 19:11 |
| schocky | guys, I am experiencing a trouble w/ migrating to xubuntu | 19:11 |
| schocky | ppa is not working / !working properly | 19:11 |
| xubuntu004 | i have a question when i install xubuntu i have an partitions from ubuntu | 19:11 |
| schocky | anyway | 19:12 |
| schocky | if there is anyone who is fam. with ppa stuff and packaging on xubuntu, ping me back plox, thx | 19:12 |
| brainwash | schocky: please ask your question, maybe someone can help you after reading it | 19:13 |
| xubuntu004 | schocky i work on xubuntu and i have not seen any problems with ppa from ubuntu on uxubuntu | 19:13 |
| xubuntu004 | maybe i have small part of ppa | 19:13 |
| schocky | xubuntu004, brainwash: for instance, try to get ppa:finalterm/daily | 19:14 |
| schocky | it shows 404 for me on apt update for some reason | 19:14 |
| xubuntu004 | but my question is i must mount partitions on uxubuntu any time when i install xubuntu? | 19:14 |
| brainwash | contact the ppa maintainer | 19:14 |
| schocky | brainwash, imo the trouble is not in ppa, but in my linux here | 19:15 |
| xubuntu004 | schocky look for another ppa because on ubuntu i have an same problem | 19:15 |
| xubuntu004 | maybe ppa is old or broken | 19:15 |
| schocky | brainwash: am i right, that we can't use precise ppa on trusty, right? | 19:15 |
| brainwash | just checked, yes, the mentioned ppa does not offer packages for trusty | 19:16 |
| knome | schocky, you can force that, but in a vast majority of cases it's not a good idea. | 19:16 |
| schocky | knome, well what would I do if I really need this one? | 19:16 |
| xubuntu004 | ok guys did i must mount anyt time my partitions when i install xubuntu or i automatic ? | 19:16 |
| schocky | knome, building from src gonna take time, deps and all shi, not rly interested in that point | 19:17 |
| schocky | brainwash: ^ | 19:17 |
| knome | schocky, the first thing to do is to contact the maintainer anyway, and ask if they'd be willing to create a trusty PPA. | 19:17 |
| brainwash | you can download the deb files from the PPA and install them manually | 19:17 |
| knome | schocky, please watch your language, this is a family-friendly channel | 19:17 |
| schocky | knome, oh yeah, I am really sorry, m8 | 19:19 |
| xubuntu004 | ok guys i need an answer | 19:20 |
| xubuntu004 | about partitions | 19:20 |
| schocky | brainwash, knome: thx for your help, gonna look for a maintainer and compile it in the meantime, thx again | 19:20 |
| knome | schocky, good luck | 19:20 |
| knome | xubuntu004, if you install xubuntu on a machine that has an ubuntu installation, and you want to reuse the /home (and/or other partitions), you should set them to mount at specific mount points on installation time | 19:21 |
| knome | xubuntu004, you can do that from the custom partitioning selection | 19:21 |
| knome | xubuntu004, you can make them automount to the right places after the installation, but it's easier to do it at installation time | 19:22 |
| knome | xubuntu004, note that you need to select that a partition is not formatted if you want to use reuse it | 19:22 |
| xubuntu004 | ok know i must reisntall xubuntu but when i set a mount point my data files is lost or not? | 19:22 |
| knome | depends if you set it to format or not | 19:23 |
| xubuntu004 | i dont whant format | 19:23 |
| knome | and as always, even if things should work, take backups of important files | 19:23 |
| xubuntu004 | ok thanks guys for infos. have a good luck for you | 19:25 |
| === LazyUser69 is now known as LazyUserBNC | ||
| === LazyUserBNC is now known as LazyUser69 | ||
| ARM9 | is there any common reason why suspend/hibernate/whatever would be broken? | 21:41 |
| knome | ARM9, badly supported hardware. | 21:46 |
| ARM9 | I must've used some really obscure/shitty computers in my days then, not once have I had a working suspend feature | 21:46 |
| knome | please remember this is a family-friendly channel and adjust your language based on that | 21:47 |
| ARM9 | maybe I'm the only linux user who doesn't leave their box running 24/7 | 21:47 |
| knome | i can assure you are not | 21:47 |
| ARM9 | my bad | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | One computer suspends fine, the other is a bit weird at times. Close the lid and it's off, even after successfully suspending, but leave it open and it'll resume fine. | 21:47 |
| draches | I also have tons of problems with anything power-related on my Asus K550C laptop | 21:54 |
| ochosi | fwiw, that is the promise of systemd, it's supposed to take over all of the power management. it's a bit less configurable though | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | (The netbook with suspend issues uses systemd.) | 21:56 |
| ochosi | systemd plus xfpm or just systemd? | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | xfpm is installed, yes. | 21:57 |
| ochosi | right, so then that's not what systemd intends | 21:57 |
| ochosi | xfpm inhibits parts of systemd | 21:58 |
| ochosi | because it tends to just execute actions like suspend upon closing the lid (which is generally fine, but leaving the user without a way to configure it, other than opening a config file with root rights) | 21:58 |
| whyameye | something is triggering a screen blanking earlier than I have set and I can't figure out what it is | 22:11 |
| whyameye | xscreensaver and gnome screensaver are uninstalled | 22:11 |
| whyameye | lightlocker is also disabled | 22:13 |
| === TheMaster is now known as Unit193 | ||
| tc__ | hello | 22:56 |
| tc__ | I'm new to linux and was wondering if anyone is around to help | 22:57 |
| HedgeMage | tc__: please just ask your real question so we know if we can help you :) | 23:00 |
| HedgeMage | tc__: Asking to ask is kinda rude on IRC, counterintuitive as that may seem if you're new. | 23:00 |
| tc__ | My apologies. I just started using ubuntu, but found that it runs to slowly on my laptop. I found it easy to install linux on my ex-windows machine, but I'm a little confused as to how to install a different form of linux on an already-linux machine. | 23:05 |
| Unit193 | Could just install Xubuntu overtop of the other one, just how you installed Ubuntu the first time. That'd be the cleanest way at least. What's the system specs? | 23:06 |
| tc__ | AMD Phenom II (2.2 GHz), 4 GB DDR3 memory, 500GB HDD | 23:07 |
| Unit193 | Ubuntu/Unity doesn't run on that? Well huh. | 23:08 |
| tc__ | It does, just a little sluggish with some things | 23:09 |
| tc__ | i want something that zips around | 23:09 |
| Unit193 | Sure. Well I can say I personally like Xubuntu of course. :) | 23:09 |
| tc__ | :) ok, so before, when I installed ubuntu on my windows 7 machine, I used something called a linux USB pendrive installer. When I try to use it the same way I did before, it says that an error occured with the archive | 23:11 |
| tc__ | I'm guessing that it must be built to run on windows. | 23:11 |
| CajunTechie | Have you tried downloading the archive again? | 23:14 |
| tc__ | I have not. Honestly, I don't even know what the archive is. I'm not entirely tech savvy. :) | 23:16 |
| CajunTechie | tc__, you were trying to install Xubuntu from the pendrive, right? | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | Yes, if you used it on Windows the exact same program won't work on Linux. | 23:20 |
| tc__ | I have a screenshot of what I have downloaded to do a reinstall, if that would help. Link: http://postimg.org/image/qpbu5z1et/ | 23:23 |
| CajunTechie | That does help. The installer was probably written for Windows and will not work under Linux. Some Windows programs will work under Linux but some won | 23:24 |
| CajunTechie | t. | 23:24 |
| CajunTechie | tc__, It looks like you are trying to isntall Xubuntu from within Ubuntu, right? | 23:24 |
| tc__ | Yes, just want to replace Ubuntu with Xubuntu (or any other linux system if it all works the same way) | 23:25 |
| CajunTechie | Probably the easiest way to do that would be to download the same .iso files and use a burning program to burn it to a dvd. From there, you can easily install it over Ubuntu | 23:26 |
| CajunTechie | But you should also read this if you want to pursue the pendrive option still: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick | 23:27 |
| tc__ | Thank you very much, CajunTechie. I'll give that a try. If you don't hear back from me, then it must've worked. :) | 23:31 |
| CajunTechie | Good luck tc__. Hope it all works out :-) | 23:32 |
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