[02:56] <holstein> David-A: ? i didnt mean to imply that you could dd copy the iso from the stick to the stick..
[02:57] <sadhash> Hmm
[02:57] <sadhash> Holstein: I figured out cp command, all well there
[02:58] <holstein> sadhash: the !install link i gave should explain it all clearly, regardless
[02:58] <sadhash> I'm going to try to create a new user
[02:59] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#mkusb_-_dd_image_of_iso_file_to_USB_device_safely for example
[02:59] <sadhash> I'm having errors. I was able to make a live usb using instructions way above
[02:59] <sadhash> Yeah
[02:59] <sadhash> But, my bios returns an error saying it can't locate isolinux.bin
[03:00] <sadhash> Which, I checked, is there. I checked the md5sum hash and it was solid. I'm downloading another distro to try next
[03:01] <holstein> i would simply take the stick i make to another machine.. if it boots on the other machine, then its likely something with the bios or hardware on the first machine
[03:01] <sadhash> I am living in the boondocks with only one functioning machine that had boot from usb. Old old drives
[03:02] <holstein> sure. you just cant assume its the stick, or the stick you are making that is the problem
[03:02] <sadhash> I literally bought two sticks off amazon and had two others. I've tried all 4
[03:03] <sadhash> Er received the 2 today from fedex
[03:03] <holstein> sure, but on the  *same* hardware
[03:03] <sadhash> Right
[03:03] <holstein> if the motherboard is bad, or the bios.. or usb ports.. then, *any* stick you use will have an error
[03:03] <sadhash> It's a new chromebox
[03:03] <holstein> there's your problem
[03:03] <sadhash> Two months old barely used
[03:03] <sadhash> Why?
[03:03] <holstein> those are tricky
[03:04] <cfhowlett> sadhash, very tricky - doable though
[03:04] <sadhash> The bios is seabios/coreboot
[03:04] <holstein> its not intended to just be booting USB sticks like that
[03:04] <holstein> sadhash: sure.. but, you *are* having issues.. and that is why.. its not the stick
[03:04] <sadhash> Well I know, that's why I flashed the bios
[03:04] <holstein> sadhash: i would put money on, if you take those sticks to other hardware, they work
[03:04] <cfhowlett> sadhash, http://blog.laptopmag.com/chrubuntu-transforms-199-acer-c7-chromebook-into-a-cheap-linux-laptop
[03:04] <sadhash> It worked from a stick like this just last week when I changed from i386 to amd64-bit
[03:05] <holstein> sadhash: ok.. then, change it back
[03:05] <sadhash> Can't, apparently. Now whatever usb I make isn't bootable
[03:05] <holstein> sadhash: i would ask the manufacturer how you are intended to do what you are doing.. otherwise, i say, the issue is with that particular hardware
[03:06] <sadhash> Of course I turned off write protect and was warned I could brick the device. But seriously?
[03:06] <holstein> sadhash: yes.. seriously
[03:06] <cfhowlett> sadhash, of course, seriously!
[03:06] <holstein> sadhash: you pass lots of warnings when doing what you are doing.. bricking, or making the machine not boot usb, for example
[03:07] <sadhash> I believe you're right, don't get it twisted
[03:07] <holstein> sadhash: i hope you get it sorted, or at least, can get it covered by warranty if you need to get it "Fixed"
[03:07] <sadhash> I have a feeling if I use another device to create the usb since the best I can tell is i broke my kernel and can't fix it
[03:08] <holstein> i think, having another machine around (at least one other) when you are seriously going against the grain, is a great idea.. mandatory
[03:08] <sadhash> You're right. What do you recommend?
[03:08] <holstein> *any* cheap-o pentium 4 from a thrift store, for example
[03:08] <cfhowlett> holstein, I like virtualbox for exactly that reason
[03:08] <sadhash> I have two pentium 4s
[03:09] <sadhash> Neither have boot from usb so they're useless to me right now
[03:09] <holstein> sadhash: then, use one to make the stick. and test the usb boot
[03:09] <holstein> sadhash: plop
[03:09] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ allows booting USB on "legacy" devices
[03:09] <sadhash> Sigh. They are pulled apart. Replaced ribbons. But fair enough.
[03:09] <sadhash> But here I have disposable income what do you recommend I do for a daily reliable device
[03:10] <holstein> sadhash: system76
[03:10] <holstein> comes with ubuntu on it.. just get the machine with the operating system already on it.. and with a warranty, and support
[03:10] <sadhash> I'm impatient but I'll check their product line now
[03:11] <sadhash> No bloatwares?
[03:11] <holstein> sadhash: im not following
[03:11] <holstein> sadhash: ?
[03:11] <holstein> sadhash: im not at or working for system76.. they ship ubuntu
[03:11] <holstein> you want ubuntu, try buying a machine with it on there.. with support
[03:11] <sadhash> Useless programs installed from them
[03:11] <holstein> sadhash: ask them.. i dont work there
[03:11] <holstein> sadhash: it ships with ubuntu
[03:12] <sadhash> How much support? I don't normally need tech support. Lol oh well
[03:12] <sadhash> I'll Google them now
[03:12] <holstein> sadhash: you are trying to do something right now that is not supported at all.. and its not something i would do if i were "impatient".. i would, if i were into experiementing, and compromise
[03:13] <holstein> i have no doubt, that given plenty of time, i can get linux installed on that chromebox.. but, it wont be an example of something that happened easily.. or in a straight forward way
[03:13] <sadhash> I am and are but after 7 days of it being in this state my patience is thin
[03:14] <holstein> sadhash: sure.. but, the issue is, nothing is broken.. everything is working "as advertised".. if you are impatient, try doing something more "Stock" with support
[03:14] <sadhash> I understand what you're saying.
[03:16] <holstein> otherwise, i would get one of the p4's out, and get xubuntu installed there, so i could use it to work with the sticks.. i would want them to have usb 2.0..
[03:19] <holstein> i would get the mini iso's, so that i could more quickly manage juggling a few iso's and testing the sticks i make
[03:19] <holstein> !mini
[03:19] <holstein> even if i dont actually install using the mini, but, just see what works, and then get a normal iso from there
[08:24] <icecreamice> hi
[08:25] <icecreamice> for some reason my battery indicator is stuck at "charging 97%" even when I remove the AC cable, what's the cause?
[08:27] <cfhowlett> icecreamice, battery is wearing down
 is that a battery problem? It shows no warnings from my windows partition though.
[08:28] <icecreamice> Also, acpi shows "discharging" when the AC cable is out, but the one on the menu does not
[08:29] <cfhowlett> icecreamice, but does it charge > 97% on windows?
 a couple of minutes ago when I removed the indicator and added it back, it was  on 100%
[08:29] <knome> the charge levels are estimations anyway
[08:30] <cfhowlett> ^^^ true
[08:30] <icecreamice> http://a.pomf.se/vafjcz.png
[08:30] <icecreamice> well yeah, but I donno why it's getting stuck like that saying "charged" even when I'm not charging lolz
[08:31] <icecreamice> should I just reinstall or reinstall the indicator plugin somehow?
[08:31] <icecreamice> because I think it happend the day the updater broke some packages
[08:31] <icecreamice> but then I was able to reinstall these packages
[08:32] <cfhowlett> icecreamice, drastic measure.  try this:   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:32] <icecreamice> I've done that a lot but ok
[08:33] <knome> if an update recently broke it, it's likely that an update recently will fix
[08:34] <icecreamice> hmm, well that time it recommended me to do a "partial upgrade"
[08:34] <icecreamice> and then after that it asked me to remove some old packages which I realized I had Krita in there, which deleted it
[08:34] <knome> that's okay if it succeeded with no errors
[08:34] <knome> or, in most cases, is okay
[08:34] <icecreamice> broke the packages for that, but after a day or two I was able to get it back somehow
[08:36] <icecreamice> oh I have added this PPA for a specific program
[08:36] <icecreamice> http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu
[08:36] <icecreamice> for gtk3 I think
[08:37] <icecreamice> also the fact that from day 1 of installation, the power settings weren't working for some reason in 14.04
[08:38] <knome> well.. it's possible it's breaking things here and there, but it doesn't seem likely it's affecting the power status... but who knows.
[08:38] <icecreamice> I'll try to reinstall some time to see what happens and if the xfce power manager will work again
[08:38] <knome> it's not a small pack of replacements, it's likely replacing few dozens of packages at least
[08:38] <icecreamice> I set the monitor settings to "Never" and it still dims or goes to sleep lol
[08:39] <icecreamice> hmm
[08:39] <icecreamice> but for now, do you think there's an alternative power/bettery monitor that I can replace with the indicator?
[08:39] <icecreamice> not sure if acpi has a menu plugin but hmm
[08:39] <knome> if you do a clean reinstall, try if it all works without any PPA's, and if not, file a bug for it
[08:41] <icecreamice> sure
[08:41] <knome> the xfce power manager should really work, it sounds like you have a problem with fetching the battery data
[08:46] <icecreamice> hmm
[08:47] <icecreamice> donno why it isn't working though, it was back in the 13th version, but after I did upgrade to 14.04 I did do a clean reinstall of 14.0
[08:47] <icecreamice> but still didn't function for me so I lived with it lolz
[08:57] <brainwash> icecreamice: you should open a terminal window and run "upower -d"
[08:57] <brainwash> and compare the output to the values shown by the indicator
[08:58] <icecreamice> it says "percentage:          76%" but the indicator says 97%
[08:58] <icecreamice> lolz
[09:01] <brainwash> you could enable the xfce4-power-manager tray icon and/or install xfce4-battery-plugin and add it to your panel
[09:01] <brainwash> and see if they also report false values
[09:01] <icecreamice> hmm
[09:02] <icecreamice> it does nothing, I tried --restart and --quit, nothing
[09:03] <brainwash> it?
[09:03] <icecreamice> `xfce4-power-manager --restart` or `xfce4-power-manager --quit`
[09:03] <icecreamice> not even the command itself ran anything
[09:04] <brainwash> try "killall xfce4-power-manager"
[09:04] <icecreamice> "xfce4-power-manager: no process found" lolz
[09:04] <icecreamice> weird
[09:05] <icecreamice> doesn't show anything when I run it either, it just nextlines to a new input
[09:05] <icecreamice> newline*
[09:06] <brainwash> check the process list
[09:07] <icecreamice> ok killed it from htop
[09:08] <brainwash> so it was running
[09:08] <brainwash> start it and then run xfce4-power-manager-settings
[09:08] <brainwash> now enable the system tray icon
[09:09] <icecreamice> the tray icon is still there
[09:09] <icecreamice> even after it's killed
[09:09] <brainwash> that's most likely the battery indicator
[09:09] <brainwash> called indicator-power
[09:09] <icecreamice> ah
[09:10] <icecreamice> ok Ill kill that and rerun it?
[09:10] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager is able to show its own tray icon
[09:10] <brainwash> but it's hidden by default
[09:10] <brainwash> you can have both battery icons in the panel
[09:10] <icecreamice> I don't have indicator-power
[09:10] <icecreamice> but there's only one
[09:11] <icecreamice> even after the xfce4-power-manager is not running
[09:11] <brainwash> how do you know that you don't have indicator-power?
[09:12] <icecreamice> "indicator-power: command not found"
[09:12] <brainwash> nah, you can't just run it that way
[09:12] <icecreamice> lolz
[09:12] <brainwash> check "ps aux | grep indicator-power"
[09:13] <icecreamice> "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-power/indicator-power-service" ?
[09:13] <brainwash> right
[09:14] <brainwash> so, "you could enable the xfce4-power-manager tray icon and/or install xfce4-battery-plugin and add it to your panel"
[09:15] <brainwash> to check if the alternative battery indicators are also showing false data
[09:15] <icecreamice> I guess I'll install xfce4-battery-plugin
[09:17] <icecreamice> ok this one shows the right %
[09:17] <icecreamice> thanks lolz
[09:17] <brainwash> ok, indicator-power seems to be somewhat broken on your system
[09:18] <icecreamice> I think the Indicator is broken somehow because I can't even hide the power indicator from its setting
[09:18] <icecreamice> yeah
[09:18] <icecreamice> its "Performance" won't even work right
[09:18] <brainwash> you can uninstall it
[09:18] <icecreamice> is there a way to reinstall it somehow?
[09:18] <icecreamice> just indicator-power?
[09:18] <icecreamice> Ill check from Synaptic
[09:18] <brainwash> sudo apt-get install --reinstall indicator-power
[09:19] <brainwash> and you'll to relog once after doing so
[09:19] <icecreamice> ah alrighty
[09:19] <icecreamice> thanks
[10:28] <xenolyse> guys, how do I change sound output device? I got a tv with hdmi that I would like to have the sound routed to.
[10:30] <bazhang> !info pavucontrol
[10:31] <bazhang> !info padevchooser
[10:31] <bazhang> try those
[11:02] <zleap> hi
[11:09] <zleap> hi
[11:10] <zleap> how do i install the additional drivers tool
[11:10] <zleap> grrrrr
[12:00] <Slit> Hi! Why my laptop doesn't shutdown when I click to shutdown and after that I close the lid of laptop. It goes to hibernate state instead. I have to wait to shutdown then I can close lid.
[16:08] <js_doode> Hello. I am trying to tweak my terminal via ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc file, but the path /terminal/terminalrc does not exist. Why is my terminal directory missing?
[16:16] <js_doode> By the way I am running xubuntu 14.04 lts
[16:27] <brainwash> js_doode: you'll need to change something via the preference window of xfce4-terminal first
[16:28] <brainwash> otherwise this user config file will not exist
[16:42] <js_doode> brainwash: ok. Do you know what is that "something"?
[16:43] <drc> js_doode: Any change...font/size, colors...anything to make a change to the terminal
[16:44] <js_doode> drc: gotcha. ;)
[16:45] <js_doode> drc, brainwash worked like a top. thank you.
[16:47] <drc> np
[19:11] <schocky> hey there
[19:11] <xubuntu004> hi all
[19:11] <schocky> guys, I am experiencing a trouble w/ migrating to xubuntu
[19:11] <schocky> ppa is not working / !working properly
[19:11] <xubuntu004> i have a question when i install xubuntu i have an partitions from ubuntu
[19:12] <schocky> anyway
[19:12] <schocky> if there is anyone who is fam. with ppa stuff and packaging on xubuntu, ping me back plox, thx
[19:13] <brainwash> schocky: please ask your question, maybe someone can help you after reading it
[19:13] <xubuntu004> schocky i work on xubuntu and i have not seen any problems with ppa from ubuntu on uxubuntu
[19:13] <xubuntu004> maybe i have small part of ppa
[19:14] <schocky> xubuntu004, brainwash: for instance, try to get ppa:finalterm/daily
[19:14] <schocky> it shows 404 for me on apt update for some reason
[19:14] <xubuntu004> but my question is i must mount partitions on uxubuntu any time when i install xubuntu?
[19:14] <brainwash> contact the ppa maintainer
[19:15] <schocky>  brainwash, imo the trouble is not in ppa, but in my linux here
[19:15] <xubuntu004> schocky look for another ppa because on ubuntu i have an same problem
[19:15] <xubuntu004> maybe ppa is old or broken
[19:15] <schocky> brainwash: am i right, that we can't use precise ppa on trusty, right?
[19:16] <brainwash> just checked, yes, the mentioned ppa does not offer packages for trusty
[19:16] <knome> schocky, you can force that, but in a vast majority of cases it's not a good idea.
[19:16] <schocky> knome, well what would I do if I really need this one?
[19:16] <xubuntu004> ok guys did i must mount anyt time my partitions when i install xubuntu or i automatic ?
[19:17] <schocky> knome, building from src gonna take time, deps and all shi, not rly interested in that point
[19:17] <schocky> brainwash: ^
[19:17] <knome> schocky, the first thing to do is to contact the maintainer anyway, and ask if they'd be willing to create a trusty PPA.
[19:17] <brainwash> you can download the deb files from the PPA and install them manually
[19:17] <knome> schocky, please watch your language, this is a family-friendly channel
[19:19] <schocky> knome, oh yeah, I am really sorry, m8
[19:20] <xubuntu004> ok guys i need an answer
[19:20] <xubuntu004> about partitions
[19:20] <schocky> brainwash, knome: thx for your help, gonna look for a maintainer and compile it in the meantime, thx again
[19:20] <knome> schocky, good luck
[19:21] <knome> xubuntu004, if you install xubuntu on a machine that has an ubuntu installation, and you want to reuse the /home (and/or other partitions), you should set them to mount at specific mount points on installation time
[19:21] <knome> xubuntu004, you can do that from the custom partitioning selection
[19:22] <knome> xubuntu004, you can make them automount to the right places after the installation, but it's easier to do it at installation time
[19:22] <knome> xubuntu004, note that you need to select that a partition is not formatted if you want to use reuse it
[19:22] <xubuntu004> ok know i must reisntall xubuntu but when i set a mount point my data files is lost or not?
[19:23] <knome> depends if you set it to format or not
[19:23] <xubuntu004> i dont whant format
[19:23] <knome> and as always, even if things should work, take backups of important files
[19:25] <xubuntu004> ok thanks guys for infos. have a good luck for you
[21:41] <ARM9> is there any common reason why suspend/hibernate/whatever would be broken?
[21:46] <knome> ARM9, badly supported hardware.
[21:46] <ARM9> I must've used some really obscure/shitty computers in my days then, not once have I had a working suspend feature
[21:47] <knome> please remember this is a family-friendly channel and adjust your language based on that
[21:47] <ARM9> maybe I'm the only linux user who doesn't leave their box running 24/7
[21:47] <knome> i can assure you are not
[21:47] <ARM9> my bad
[21:47] <Unit193> One computer suspends fine, the other is a bit weird at times.  Close the lid and it's off, even after successfully suspending, but leave it open and it'll resume fine.
[21:54] <draches> I also have tons of problems with anything power-related on my Asus K550C laptop
[21:56] <ochosi> fwiw, that is the promise of systemd, it's supposed to take over all of the power management. it's a bit less configurable though
[21:56] <Unit193> (The netbook with suspend issues uses systemd.)
[21:57] <ochosi> systemd plus xfpm or just systemd?
[21:57] <Unit193> xfpm is installed, yes.
[21:57] <ochosi> right, so then that's not what systemd intends
[21:58] <ochosi> xfpm inhibits parts of systemd
[21:58] <ochosi> because it tends to just execute actions like suspend upon closing the lid (which is generally fine, but leaving the user without a way to configure it, other than opening a config file with root rights)
[22:11] <whyameye> something is triggering a screen blanking earlier than I have set and I can't figure out what it is
[22:11] <whyameye> xscreensaver and gnome screensaver are uninstalled
[22:13] <whyameye> lightlocker is also disabled
[22:56] <tc__> hello
[22:57] <tc__> I'm new to linux and was wondering if anyone is around to help
[23:00] <HedgeMage> tc__: please just ask your real question so we know if we can help you :)
[23:00] <HedgeMage> tc__: Asking to ask is kinda rude on IRC, counterintuitive as that may seem if you're new.
[23:05] <tc__> My apologies. I just started using ubuntu, but found that it runs to slowly on my laptop. I found it easy to install linux on my ex-windows machine, but I'm a little confused as to how to install a different form of linux on an already-linux machine.
[23:06] <Unit193> Could just install Xubuntu overtop of the other one, just how you installed Ubuntu the first time.  That'd be the cleanest way at least.  What's the system specs?
[23:07] <tc__> AMD Phenom II (2.2 GHz), 4 GB DDR3 memory, 500GB HDD
[23:08] <Unit193> Ubuntu/Unity doesn't run on that?  Well huh.
[23:09] <tc__> It does, just a little sluggish with some things
[23:09] <tc__> i want something that zips around
[23:09] <Unit193> Sure.  Well I can say I personally like Xubuntu of course. :)
[23:11] <tc__> :) ok, so before, when I installed ubuntu on my windows 7 machine, I used something called a linux USB pendrive installer. When I try to use it the same way I did before, it says that an error occured with the archive
[23:11] <tc__> I'm guessing that it must be built to run on windows.
[23:14] <CajunTechie> Have you tried downloading the archive again?
[23:16] <tc__> I have not. Honestly, I don't even know what the archive is. I'm not entirely tech savvy. :)
[23:20] <CajunTechie> tc__, you were trying to install Xubuntu from the pendrive, right?
[23:20] <Unit193> Yes, if you used it on Windows the exact same program won't work on Linux.
[23:23] <tc__> I have a screenshot of what I have downloaded to do a reinstall, if that would help. Link: http://postimg.org/image/qpbu5z1et/
[23:24] <CajunTechie> That does help. The installer was probably written for Windows and will not work under Linux. Some Windows programs will work under Linux but some won
[23:24] <CajunTechie> t.
[23:24] <CajunTechie> tc__, It looks like you are trying to isntall Xubuntu from within Ubuntu, right?
[23:25] <tc__> Yes, just want to replace Ubuntu with Xubuntu (or any other linux system if it all works the same way)
[23:26] <CajunTechie> Probably the easiest way to do that would be to download the same .iso files and use a burning program to burn it to a dvd. From there, you can easily install it over Ubuntu
[23:27] <CajunTechie> But you should also read this if you want to pursue the pendrive option still: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[23:31] <tc__> Thank you very much, CajunTechie. I'll give that a try. If you don't hear back from me, then it must've worked. :)
[23:32] <CajunTechie> Good luck tc__. Hope it all works out :-)