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| dgadomski | hi guys, can anybody from the desktop team confirm whether this is the expected behavior or in fact a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1125442 | 09:35 |
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| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1125442 in unity "Always Visible and On Top Windows Steal Focus on Workspace Switch" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:35 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1125442 in unity (Ubuntu Raring) "Always Visible and On Top Windows Steal Focus on Workspace Switch" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:35 |
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| dgadomski | hi seb128, do you have a minute to take a look at the bug I mentioned ^^? | 11:42 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, hey, that would be a better question for bregma or Trevinho, I saw it earlier but I'm not working on compiz | 11:42 |
| dgadomski | seb128: I see, thank you | 11:43 |
| * Trevinho checking | 11:43 | |
| seb128 | dgadomski, the current behaviour doesn't feel buggy to me | 11:43 |
| dgadomski | seb128: looks pretty consistent to me as well, when we switch to another workspace there is only 1 window there (the one on all workspaces) to it gets the focus, then we go back and the same window remains focused - this is how I see this | 11:44 |
| seb128 | the fact that entering a workspace with 1 dialog gives it focus sort of make sense, even if I can see how it can be annoying to some | 11:45 |
| bregma | seems to be something that was fixed with alll the Switcher changes that went in since 12.04 | 11:45 |
| seb128 | bregma, that's still happening in utopic, not sure it's a bug though | 11:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, do you know if datetimed is having known issue on the device on current images? | 11:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #1360554 | 11:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1360554 in ubuntu-system-settings "cannot change time zone" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360554 | 11:46 |
| ubot5 | bug 1360554 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "cannot change time zone" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360554 | 11:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, settings didn't change, and looking a bit a it seems the helper is correctly called but hit permissions issues | 11:47 |
| dgadomski | bregma: do you think this could be a regression? | 11:54 |
| Sweetshark | Laney: You wanted me to save Munich. Well it seems to be save for now: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/08/24/194208/munich-council-say-talk-of-limux-demise-is-greatly-exaggerated ;) | 12:23 |
| pitti | seb128: not known to me yet, but certainly sounds like some regression, yes | 12:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you have a phone? does it work for you? | 12:39 |
| ogra_ | seb128, when selecting moscow on my non-mako device i properly get 16:40 in the indicator and lock screen ... pretty instantly after changing | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | switching back works fine too here | 12:41 |
| seb128 | ogra_, k, on mine it doesn't work, the tz is not changed and it doesn't return from the panel | 12:41 |
| ogra_ | (image 207) | 12:41 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, I do (dual-boot), and the emulator too; still busy with other stuff, but will look at it | 12:43 |
| pitti | seb128: works fine in the emulator at least; but that's r/w by defualt, so perhaps that's why | 12:47 |
| pitti | but works after remounting r/o, too | 12:48 |
| pitti | seb128: WFM on mako too (r/o) | 12:49 |
| pitti | I'll think about some debugging instrucutions and follow up on the bug | 12:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 12:50 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi :), would be great if this can be revisited https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnotify/+bug/1223401 | 13:25 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1223401 in libnotify "[0.7.6] the add_action api changed creating issues for clients" [High,Confirmed] | 13:25 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1223401 in libnotify (Ubuntu) "[0.7.6] the add_action api changed creating issues for clients" [High,Confirmed] | 13:25 |
| seb128 | ricotz, we already discussed it, I'm still unsure what would be an appropriate solution, renaming the binary to indicate the abi change? | 13:25 |
| ricotz | seb128, the actual binary/library didnt change anything but gir/typelib | 13:27 |
| seb128 | right | 13:28 |
| seb128 | so the gir binary should be renamed? | 13:28 |
| seb128 | otherwise you bug half the clients that rely on the old annotations | 13:28 |
| ricotz | seb128, adding a suffix to the fixed gir1.2 package would be an option to force a proper transition | 13:31 |
| seb128 | right | 13:31 |
| seb128 | do you know why Debian didn't do that? | 13:32 |
| ricotz | no, i guess they just gone through it | 13:32 |
| ricotz | if might effect not that much users | 13:33 |
| ricotz | seb128, so not changing any package name and rather adding some Breaks to an unpatched libnotify seems cleaner | 13:46 |
| ricotz | this way things like gnome-music and gnome-tweak-tool would be instantly fixed | 13:46 |
| seb128 | ricotz, while things like unity8 would stop working... | 13:50 |
| ricotz | seb128, therefore the Breaks! | 13:51 |
| ricotz | not sure how unity8 works around the broken api now | 13:52 |
| seb128 | the api is not broken right now | 13:52 |
| seb128 | it's just "stable" | 13:53 |
| seb128 | e.g we didn't change it to be incompatible | 13:53 |
| ricotz | it is! since this crashes clients using it that way | 13:53 |
| seb128 | like upstream did | 13:53 |
| seb128 | well | 13:53 |
| seb128 | that's what happens when you change an api | 13:53 |
| seb128 | or a public api rather | 13:53 |
| seb128 | clients stop working | 13:53 |
| seb128 | GNOME did a stupid thing there | 13:53 |
| ricotz | seb128, just stop and be constructive | 13:53 |
| ricotz | it isn't useful to keep it in this current state | 13:54 |
| ricotz | which unity8 package is actually using the notify-gir? | 13:54 |
| seb128 | ricotz, how is that not being constructive? Debian usually handle those things better, I'm a bit disappointed they didn't rename the gir/do a proper transition | 13:56 |
| seb128 | ricotz, the issue is that you don't know what packages are using the old api and are going to start bugging if you change the annotation | 13:56 |
| seb128 | we can grep the archive, but what about third party, admin scripts, etc? | 13:56 |
| seb128 | the minimum we should do is a proper transition, but even that is going to make working code stop working | 13:57 |
| ricotz | seb128, if packages using the gir then they should have it set as dependency otherwise i would call the packaging broken | 13:57 |
| seb128 | ricotz, what about local scripts? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | or stuff people write | 13:57 |
| seb128 | changing public api is just not nice | 13:57 |
| seb128 | that should have been handled by adding a new function and deprecating the old one | 13:58 |
| ricotz | seb128, those g-i api changes happen all the time, to actually fix things | 13:58 |
| seb128 | you don't just change the number of a parameter of a function in a stable api | 13:58 |
| seb128 | "fix" | 13:58 |
| seb128 | sure we can wave hand and say we don't care, it doesn't make the reality different | 13:58 |
| ricotz | this is just a special case where ubuntu got hit | 13:58 |
| seb128 | no it's not | 13:58 |
| seb128 | if it's not us, it would be admin, users who write custom scripts, etc | 13:59 |
| ricotz | seb128, using scope=async in this case was wrong and actually changes the "virtual" api not matching the actual c-api | 14:00 |
| seb128 | I didn't say the fix was not correct | 14:01 |
| seb128 | but it doesn't make my point invalid | 14:01 |
| seb128 | several libs live with wrong/suboptimal apis because "fixing" those would be an incompatible change and they avoid doing that because it has a cost | 14:01 |
| ricotz | (having this problem sit there without doing nothing is nothing better then "breaking" it again) | 14:02 |
| seb128 | but I appreciate that g-i has no compatibility story whatsoever | 14:02 |
| seb128 | it still doesn't make it right | 14:02 |
| ricotz | alright this is pretty valid, but yeah g-i is a bit special here | 14:02 |
| seb128 | well, my suggestion by then was to rename the binary to have a proper transition | 14:03 |
| seb128 | it's just that nobody picked that up to do it | 14:03 |
| ricotz | i see | 14:03 |
| ricotz | again which unity8 package is using this add_action part? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | I don't know, they might not be using it anymore | 14:04 |
| seb128 | tests/autopilot/unity8/shell/emulators/create_interactive_notification.py: notification.add_action( | 14:05 |
| seb128 | seems they still do | 14:05 |
| ricotz | as i said it cant be properly used since it crashes the second time you use the action | 14:05 |
| ricotz | ok, so "only" in the tests | 14:06 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:06 |
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| Ursinha | pitti: hey :) I have a question about autopkgtest, more specifically adt-run, that you might have the answer: when a package has no tests adt-run return code is 8, is that only to create a distinction between tests that actually ran and passed and no tests found? Or is there the intention to consider lack of tests a failure? (I'd assume no, but better ask :)) | 15:40 |
| pitti | Ursinha: yes, we usually consider 8 a failure as way more often than not it's an unintended packaging bug | 15:43 |
| Ursinha | pitti: got it | 15:45 |
| Ursinha | pitti: thanks! | 15:45 |
| * pitti waves good night | 15:46 | |
| seb128 | night pitti | 15:48 |
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| Sweetshark | dpkg versioning question: a version 1.2.3 is lower than a version 1.2.3.4, right? This appears to be the case from reading the debian policy manual, but the footnote makes me nervous. | 16:23 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, yes, you can use dpkg --compare-versions 1.2.3 lt 1.2.3.4; echo $? | 16:27 |
| lullis | Hey guys... So, I wrote a tiny python gtk application with an indicator that can interact with it. So far, so good. Now I am trying to figure out what is needed to do in order to have this indicator available on my login greeter (unity or lightdm-gtk should do). | 16:27 |
| lullis | I am guessing I need to write some kind of .desktop file, but that is just a guess. | 16:28 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: thx | 16:30 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, yw! | 16:33 |
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| Laney | hey ;-) | 17:13 |
| larsu | hi Laney! What's going on? | 17:14 |
| Laney | currently meeting the tech-ctte | 17:15 |
| Laney | portland is quite pleasant | 17:15 |
| larsu | so I hear :) | 17:15 |
| Laney | how are you? | 17:16 |
| larsu | I have a cold | 17:17 |
| larsu | but am fine otherwise :) | 17:17 |
| * larsu just finished beating unitythemeiconprovider into shape | 17:17 | |
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| Laney | :( / :) | 17:53 |
| larsu | heh | 17:54 |
| seb128 | hey laney, had a good trip? how is debconf? | 17:56 |
| Laney | hey seb128, trip was fine if a bit long | 18:02 |
| Laney | mostly over the jet lag now | 18:02 |
| seb128 | Laney: no promotion this time? | 18:03 |
| Laney | no :( | 18:03 |
| Laney | debconf is good though, nice to meet people again | 18:03 |
| seb128 | great! | 18:03 |
| seb128 | weather is better than in the u.k as well I guess ;-) | 18:03 |
| Laney | http://www.bbc.com/weather/2641170 looks like it! | 18:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do we need those rtm merge requests to keep the rtm in sync with trunk? | 18:05 |
| Laney | you still in nl? | 18:05 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yes | 18:05 |
| seb128 | Laney: guess? :p | 18:05 |
| Laney | I guess you have shipped your things already | 18:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, that sucks, why do we need to branch if we don't add features to trunk/keep it for rtm only | 18:05 |
| seb128 | Laney: lol | 18:05 |
| seb128 | no | 18:06 |
| seb128 | but still visiting people here yes ;-) | 18:06 |
| Laney | excellent | 18:06 |
| Laney | how was the poezenboot? | 18:06 |
| Laney | (trolling monday?) | 18:06 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'm not the one to ask :) | 18:06 |
| seb128 | Laney: didn't go there (yet) | 18:07 |
| kenvandine | we had to make rtm branches for everything | 18:07 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, that's suboptimal | 18:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i think they are still working the kinks out | 18:09 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, k | 18:19 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, "working the kinks out" ... learnt a new expression today ;-) | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | ha, sorry :) | 18:20 |
| seb128 | no worry, it's good to learn ;-) | 18:20 |
| seb128 | is that commonly used one (the number of hints on google suggest maybe not) | 18:21 |
| seb128 | is that like "working the details out" | 18:21 |
| seb128 | or is there a nuance? | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | pretty common | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | more like working the bugs out | 18:22 |
| seb128 | k | 18:22 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 18:22 |
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| DalekSec | Hello. So it seems you guys are the maintainers for xchat-indicator. Hexchat seems to be "the new hip xchat", and has since had https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/+bug/1360785 reported. Would you, since you maintain xchat-indicator, perhaps maintain hexchat-indicator? https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/hexchat-indicator/packaging may be a starting point... | 22:53 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1360785 in hexchat "HexChat does not integrate with the Ubuntu me-menu" [Undecided,New] | 22:53 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1360785 in hexchat (Ubuntu) "HexChat does not integrate with the Ubuntu me-menu" [Undecided,New] | 22:53 |
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