| k1l_ | @mark #ubuntu dragos was again there to start something | 09:22 |
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| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 09:22 |
| kcj | May want to pay attention to #ubuntu-offtopic. Spidey senses, tingling and whatnot. | 09:30 |
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| bazhang | <Krando> How can I use Ubuntu? | 17:36 |
| bazhang | serious known issue | 17:36 |
| bazhang | aka maro marano | 17:36 |
| ubottu | Krando called the ops in #ubuntu () | 17:37 |
| k1l_ | bazhang: your troll detector is working excellent | 17:37 |
| ubottu | Krando called the ops in #ubuntu () | 17:38 |
| IdleOne | problem solved! | 17:38 |
| bazhang | k1l_, that, and banning him thrice in two days | 17:38 |
| IdleOne | k1l_: is THE BEST HELPER :) | 17:38 |
| * phunyguy takes the beer away from IdleOne | 17:38 | |
| genii | bazhang: Were they doing that before, putting !ops before anything they asked? | 17:38 |
| phunyguy | tee many martoonies | 17:38 |
| IdleOne | think yoo ossifer | 17:39 |
| bazhang | yano got into it! w00t | 17:39 |
| yano | hm? | 17:39 |
| IdleOne | ops and staff for one troll | 17:39 |
| bazhang | tabfail, but in it! | 17:39 |
| IdleOne | 4 | 17:39 |
| IdleOne | almost seems like we care | 17:40 |
| bazhang | genii, mostly super creepy PM ing then onjoin stalking | 17:40 |
| genii | Hm. | 17:40 |
| DJones | Given the last quit in #f k1l_ Maybe set the ban for about 120 years | 17:40 |
| IdleOne | I've set a couple bans for 10000 days | 17:42 |
| k1l_ | some deserve a lifetime internet ban, tbh | 17:42 |
| bazhang | stardate bans | 17:43 |
| k1l_ | but that is out of the sope of this team, i think :) | 17:43 |
| DJones | Yeah, but no need to mention ops names in the contect of lifetime bans :) | 17:43 |
| marvin-hh | ikonia banned me apparently without any discussion. | 18:02 |
| marvin-hh | I already explained that I don't want to spend time discussing anything with ikonia. | 18:03 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, thats not the case | 18:03 |
| bazhang | ikoni a was not the one to ban you | 18:03 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I have seen him/her ban me from at least one of the channels. | 18:04 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, I am referring to #ubuntu | 18:04 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: as such, it is most definitely true. It might be that for #ubuntu it was someone else. | 18:04 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, I PMd you earlier without any response | 18:05 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, did you wish to resolve any of your outstanding bans? | 18:06 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I have not received anything. As you might be well aware of, my complete system was broken after an upgrade. | 18:08 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: the list of issues I encountered was virtually endless. | 18:09 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I now have a reduced setup working. | 18:09 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, as such, this channel is to resolve existing channel quiets/bans and related; did you wish to address those, as you are here now | 18:10 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: sure | 18:10 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: what are you waiting for? | 18:14 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, you understand the reason for #ubuntu and other support only channels; that they are very busy and as such, #ubuntu-offtopic (as well as other flavor-offtopic) channels exist for non support | 18:14 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: the problem seems to originate from the fact that I believe the apt-get question falls under support, and you apparently don't. | 18:15 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: perhaps #ubuntu-devel is a better platform for that discussion or just e-mailing the author of apt-get directly. | 18:15 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, could be | 18:16 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: anyway, I would like to hear from you that the apt-get question most definitely does not fall under support and where it does fall. | 18:16 |
| bazhang | that would be a debain dev | 18:16 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: ok, in the world where I operate distributors are responsible for what they distribute. Apparently, you don't consider that to be the case for even core packages in Ubuntu. That's news for me. | 18:18 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, I think the level of precision you are seeking makes your issue/question more of a mailing list type issue, and not something a live IRC channel sees often, if ever | 18:18 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: the scope of this 'support' via IRC seems to be vanishingly small then. | 18:18 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: in #debian, years ago these kinds of discussions and deep technical debugging sessions were normal. | 18:19 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, a great deal of patience is required on IRC | 18:19 |
| bazhang | "years ago" indeed | 18:19 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: it starts to look like a first line support channel where there is no second or third line to escalate issues to. | 18:24 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: alternatively, a tool for marketing. | 18:24 |
| marvin-hh | You do advertise #ubuntu as a place to get help. | 18:24 |
| marvin-hh | You don't advertise it as a place to get help for the simplest of problems. | 18:24 |
| marvin-hh | Misrepresentation. | 18:24 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, I think the level of expertise, timeliness etc from volunteers is not what you are looking for | 18:25 |
| marvin-hh | I don't like people or organisations who do that. | 18:25 |
| bazhang | so be it | 18:25 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: is there a description somewhere of where #ubuntu stops with 'support'? I seem to be having a quite clear image of it now. | 18:25 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, you have made up your mind. I dare not try to sway you. | 18:26 |
| marvin-hh | The way you phrase it is also a bit like 'the first try is free' from drug dealers. | 18:26 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, I have tried , in good faith, to help you now | 18:27 |
| marvin-hh | Additionally, it seems that too deep discussions between two parties in #ubuntu are being killed because they might be a threat to the business model of Canonical. | 18:27 |
| bazhang | who knows | 18:27 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, you should get in touch with the apt-get maintainer/mailing lists for the precision you seek in answers/support | 18:29 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: yes, and I suppose I should less often ask anything in #ubuntu, indeed, because the required expertise is either not there or there is no willingness to help with complex issues or because I can do it faster myself. | 18:30 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: did #debian also change in this way? | 18:31 |
| bazhang | plus the fact that you are still banned there | 18:31 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, no idea, #debian has their own mods/ops/what have you | 18:31 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, I have some pressing issues to attend to, so please exit the channel as our discussion is at an end | 18:34 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I am still banned. | 18:35 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, correct | 18:35 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: why would that be? | 18:35 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, your behavior is/was not acceptable in the channel | 18:35 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: did I discover your little scheme? | 18:35 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: what bahaviour would that be? | 18:36 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I merely pointed out to everyone who replied that they are not able of answering a simple query. | 18:36 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, the very over aggressive/ accusatory one of now | 18:36 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: all of that is factually correct. | 18:36 |
| bazhang | +ly | 18:36 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I am not threatening to do them any harm. | 18:36 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: as such, your claims are false. | 18:37 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, nonetheless, the bans remain | 18:37 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: nonetheless, you are incapable of arguing your point and just decide that you are the Great Leader Of the Ubuntus. | 18:37 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: that sort of thing must give you a great sense of pride. | 18:37 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: I bet you tell that to all the ladies about how you rule from your basement. | 18:38 |
| bazhang | marvin-hh, please dont idle here, the bans stand, and our discussion is at an end | 18:38 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: there is no interest for me to lift my finger to leave. | 18:38 |
| bazhang | ooookay | 18:39 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: just like the Jews didn't leave; they were just slaughtered, just like you are going to do with me. | 18:39 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: you are just abusing power. | 18:39 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: you lack the arguments, so you just do. | 18:39 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: like a nazi. | 18:39 |
| marvin-hh | bazhang: Might makes right. | 18:40 |
| marvin-hh | I already know what your next move is. | 18:40 |
| marvin-hh | You will let someone else kick me out of here. | 18:41 |
| bazhang | please exit the channel, thanks. | 18:41 |
| marvin-hh | That's never going to happen voluntarily. | 18:41 |
| IdleOne | Welcome to my world. | 18:43 |
| bazhang | how so | 18:43 |
| IdleOne | I rule it with an iron boot | 18:44 |
| ikonia | sorry after racist comments on jews/nazi - which he has made multiple times I'd like to suggest he be put on a ban across the name space with zero discussion | 19:36 |
| ikonia | I am fed up of seeing him make jew/nazi comments as a response to every discussion | 19:36 |
| ikonia | and I do not wish to see any more discussion or negotiation with him | 19:36 |
| bazhang | he wants ubuntu to be removed from freenode | 19:36 |
| ikonia | let him deal with that | 19:37 |
| ikonia | I don't want to see him in any of the ubuntu channels | 19:37 |
| ikonia | nor do I wish to see him being in a position to discuss this any more | 19:37 |
| ikonia | enough with this guy | 19:37 |
| Pricey | bazhang: Is he active elsewhere? | 19:38 |
| ikonia | he's been active in a few non-ubuntu channels | 19:38 |
| ikonia | he appears to be removed and banned now from all ubuntu channels he's used in the past | 19:39 |
| bazhang | Pricey, #ubuntu-devel , #debain , ##linux , ##hardware , last I checked | 19:39 |
| Pricey | bazhang: Now? | 19:39 |
| ikonia | he's gone and banned from #ubuntu-devel now | 19:39 |
| bazhang | his level of badness may have changed that | 19:39 |
| ikonia | ##linux ##hardware ##security | 19:39 |
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| valorie | thank you for banning that person | 22:57 |
| valorie | he was Not Fun in any way | 22:57 |
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