[09:22] @mark #ubuntu dragos was again there to start something [09:22] The operation succeeded. [09:30] May want to pay attention to #ubuntu-offtopic. Spidey senses, tingling and whatnot. === CarlFK1 is now known as CarlFK === mnepton is now known as mneptok === PriceChild is now known as Pricey === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [17:36] How can I use Ubuntu? [17:36] serious known issue [17:36] aka maro marano [17:37] Krando called the ops in #ubuntu () [17:37] bazhang: your troll detector is working excellent [17:38] Krando called the ops in #ubuntu () [17:38] problem solved! [17:38] k1l_, that, and banning him thrice in two days [17:38] k1l_: is THE BEST HELPER :) [17:38] * phunyguy takes the beer away from IdleOne [17:38] bazhang: Were they doing that before, putting !ops before anything they asked? [17:38] tee many martoonies [17:39] think yoo ossifer [17:39] yano got into it! w00t [17:39] hm? [17:39] ops and staff for one troll [17:39] tabfail, but in it! [17:39] 4 [17:40] almost seems like we care [17:40] genii, mostly super creepy PM ing then onjoin stalking [17:40] Hm. [17:40] Given the last quit in #f k1l_ Maybe set the ban for about 120 years [17:42] I've set a couple bans for 10000 days [17:42] some deserve a lifetime internet ban, tbh [17:43] stardate bans [17:43] but that is out of the sope of this team, i think :) [17:43] Yeah, but no need to mention ops names in the contect of lifetime bans :) [18:02] ikonia banned me apparently without any discussion. [18:03] I already explained that I don't want to spend time discussing anything with ikonia. [18:03] marvin-hh, thats not the case [18:03] ikoni a was not the one to ban you [18:04] bazhang: I have seen him/her ban me from at least one of the channels. [18:04] marvin-hh, I am referring to #ubuntu [18:04] bazhang: as such, it is most definitely true. It might be that for #ubuntu it was someone else. [18:05] marvin-hh, I PMd you earlier without any response [18:06] marvin-hh, did you wish to resolve any of your outstanding bans? [18:08] bazhang: I have not received anything. As you might be well aware of, my complete system was broken after an upgrade. [18:09] bazhang: the list of issues I encountered was virtually endless. [18:09] bazhang: I now have a reduced setup working. [18:10] marvin-hh, as such, this channel is to resolve existing channel quiets/bans and related; did you wish to address those, as you are here now [18:10] bazhang: sure [18:14] bazhang: what are you waiting for? [18:14] marvin-hh, you understand the reason for #ubuntu and other support only channels; that they are very busy and as such, #ubuntu-offtopic (as well as other flavor-offtopic) channels exist for non support [18:15] bazhang: the problem seems to originate from the fact that I believe the apt-get question falls under support, and you apparently don't. [18:15] bazhang: perhaps #ubuntu-devel is a better platform for that discussion or just e-mailing the author of apt-get directly. [18:16] marvin-hh, could be [18:16] bazhang: anyway, I would like to hear from you that the apt-get question most definitely does not fall under support and where it does fall. [18:16] that would be a debain dev [18:18] bazhang: ok, in the world where I operate distributors are responsible for what they distribute. Apparently, you don't consider that to be the case for even core packages in Ubuntu. That's news for me. [18:18] marvin-hh, I think the level of precision you are seeking makes your issue/question more of a mailing list type issue, and not something a live IRC channel sees often, if ever [18:18] bazhang: the scope of this 'support' via IRC seems to be vanishingly small then. [18:19] bazhang: in #debian, years ago these kinds of discussions and deep technical debugging sessions were normal. [18:19] marvin-hh, a great deal of patience is required on IRC [18:19] "years ago" indeed [18:24] bazhang: it starts to look like a first line support channel where there is no second or third line to escalate issues to. [18:24] bazhang: alternatively, a tool for marketing. [18:24] You do advertise #ubuntu as a place to get help. [18:24] You don't advertise it as a place to get help for the simplest of problems. [18:24] Misrepresentation. [18:25] marvin-hh, I think the level of expertise, timeliness etc from volunteers is not what you are looking for [18:25] I don't like people or organisations who do that. [18:25] so be it [18:25] bazhang: is there a description somewhere of where #ubuntu stops with 'support'? I seem to be having a quite clear image of it now. [18:26] marvin-hh, you have made up your mind. I dare not try to sway you. [18:26] The way you phrase it is also a bit like 'the first try is free' from drug dealers. [18:27] marvin-hh, I have tried , in good faith, to help you now [18:27] Additionally, it seems that too deep discussions between two parties in #ubuntu are being killed because they might be a threat to the business model of Canonical. [18:27] who knows [18:29] marvin-hh, you should get in touch with the apt-get maintainer/mailing lists for the precision you seek in answers/support [18:30] bazhang: yes, and I suppose I should less often ask anything in #ubuntu, indeed, because the required expertise is either not there or there is no willingness to help with complex issues or because I can do it faster myself. [18:31] bazhang: did #debian also change in this way? [18:31] plus the fact that you are still banned there [18:31] marvin-hh, no idea, #debian has their own mods/ops/what have you [18:34] marvin-hh, I have some pressing issues to attend to, so please exit the channel as our discussion is at an end [18:35] bazhang: I am still banned. [18:35] marvin-hh, correct [18:35] bazhang: why would that be? [18:35] marvin-hh, your behavior is/was not acceptable in the channel [18:35] bazhang: did I discover your little scheme? [18:36] bazhang: what bahaviour would that be? [18:36] bazhang: I merely pointed out to everyone who replied that they are not able of answering a simple query. [18:36] marvin-hh, the very over aggressive/ accusatory one of now [18:36] bazhang: all of that is factually correct. [18:36] +ly [18:36] bazhang: I am not threatening to do them any harm. [18:37] bazhang: as such, your claims are false. [18:37] marvin-hh, nonetheless, the bans remain [18:37] bazhang: nonetheless, you are incapable of arguing your point and just decide that you are the Great Leader Of the Ubuntus. [18:37] bazhang: that sort of thing must give you a great sense of pride. [18:38] bazhang: I bet you tell that to all the ladies about how you rule from your basement. [18:38] marvin-hh, please dont idle here, the bans stand, and our discussion is at an end [18:38] bazhang: there is no interest for me to lift my finger to leave. [18:39] ooookay [18:39] bazhang: just like the Jews didn't leave; they were just slaughtered, just like you are going to do with me. [18:39] bazhang: you are just abusing power. [18:39] bazhang: you lack the arguments, so you just do. [18:39] bazhang: like a nazi. [18:40] bazhang: Might makes right. [18:40] I already know what your next move is. [18:41] You will let someone else kick me out of here. [18:41] please exit the channel, thanks. [18:41] That's never going to happen voluntarily. [18:43] Welcome to my world. [18:43] how so [18:44] I rule it with an iron boot [19:36] sorry after racist comments on jews/nazi - which he has made multiple times I'd like to suggest he be put on a ban across the name space with zero discussion [19:36] I am fed up of seeing him make jew/nazi comments as a response to every discussion [19:36] and I do not wish to see any more discussion or negotiation with him [19:36] he wants ubuntu to be removed from freenode [19:37] let him deal with that [19:37] I don't want to see him in any of the ubuntu channels [19:37] nor do I wish to see him being in a position to discuss this any more [19:37] enough with this guy [19:38] bazhang: Is he active elsewhere? [19:38] he's been active in a few non-ubuntu channels [19:39] he appears to be removed and banned now from all ubuntu channels he's used in the past [19:39] Pricey, #ubuntu-devel , #debain , ##linux , ##hardware , last I checked [19:39] bazhang: Now? [19:39] he's gone and banned from #ubuntu-devel now [19:39] his level of badness may have changed that [19:39] ##linux ##hardware ##security === ldunn_ is now known as ldunn [22:57] thank you for banning that person [22:57] he was Not Fun in any way