[00:16] <bluesabre> hey guys
[00:27] <bluesabre> ochosi: xubuntu-artwork uploaded, thanks!
[07:38] <Luyin> hi guys, I'd like to contribute to the development of Xubuntu. I'm a total beginner at programming, but I might be of some use when it comes to writing FAQs, documentation and translation, and I can test packages and help finding bugs.
[07:43] <Noskcaj> Luyin, Welcome to the team
[07:43] <Luyin> thanks Noskcaj 
[07:43] <Noskcaj> our head of QA (testing) should be around in an hour or two if that's what you want to get into
[07:45] <Noskcaj> You mentioned translation, what languages do you know?
[07:46] <Luyin> Noskcaj: english and german (and some probably unuseful stuff like latin and ancient greek ;)
[07:49] <Noskcaj> If you want to do translations, look at https://wiki.xfce.org/translations and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators
[07:50] <Noskcaj> and slickymaster is the documentation lead
[07:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks a bunch!
[07:51] <Luyin> thanks for the info, Noskcaj, I'll look into it
[07:52] <Noskcaj> great
[07:52] <Noskcaj> evening elfy 
[07:52] <elfy> hi Noskcaj 
[07:53] <Noskcaj> Luyin, elfy is our QA lead, if it's testing you want to be involved in, talk to him
[07:53] <Luyin> hi elfy 
[07:53] <elfy> hi Luyin 
[07:55] <Luyin> elfy: I just said I'd like to contribute with translations (English, German), documentation, FAQ; testing packages, reporting bugs, and the like. I don't programme (except for some small perl scripts), but I thought I might be of some use
[07:56] <elfy> Luyin: yep I'd just read the backlog, docs and faq stuff ->slickymaster and knome
[07:56] <elfy> I don't programmer either ;)
[07:56] <Luyin> ok :)
[07:56] <elfy> as far as testing goes - we're constantly doing 2 things - image testing and package testing
[07:56] <elfy> do you have a launchpad account?
[07:57] <Luyin> elfy: yes I do
[07:57] <elfy> okey doke - and are you actually using 14.10 daily - or still using 14.04 ?
[07:58] <Luyin> elfy: I'm using 14.04 for productivity. But I can install 14.10 dailies in VMs
[07:58] <elfy> cool 
[07:59] <Luyin> alternatively, I've got a spare laptop for playing around, but I'd like to stick witht the VMs as long as that's possible
[07:59] <elfy> so basically daily tests for images are at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds
[07:59] <elfy> and the package tests are at http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases
[08:00] <elfy> so - install vm - pick a test run it- report the result on the relevant tracker and I'll be happy chappy :)
[08:01] <Luyin> all right :) I'll start this evening after work. looking forward to it!
[08:01] <elfy> join the dev m/l and also the LP testers group - most detail is on http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/
[08:02] <elfy> you'll see calls from me when we're testing specific things - this week we'll be testing the beta image
[08:02] <elfy> that'll be important :)
[08:02] <elfy> Luyin: what timezone are you in?
[08:03] <Luyin> elfy: germany, Berlin
[08:04] <elfy> Luyin: nice - so I should be more or less about when you are if you need anything, other wise anyone should be able to help you :)
[08:04] <Luyin> elfy: ok great, thanks :)
[08:05] <brainwash> Luyin: welcome :)
[08:06] <brainwash> Luyin: I suggest that you also create an account for the Xfce bug tracker https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[08:06] <brainwash> so you can create upstream bug reports or add comments to them
[08:06] <Luyin> thanks brainwash, I'll do that
[08:07] <elfy> morning brainwash 
[08:07] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[08:07] <Luyin> ok, a whole lot of new bookmarks to go through, hehe
[08:08] <elfy> :)
[08:33] <elfy> Unit193: so why is the mini iso looking for 3.16.0-6-generic instead of current
[08:34] <elfy> ochosi: yea, got an issue with the mini iso and kernel modules currently - all come to a standstill, I'll test the testcase against the trusty one - so we can get the tracker set up now at least
[08:37] <elfy> I'd got talk to cjwatson but he'll be having the day off like I am
[08:37] <elfy> hi slickymaster 
[08:37] <elfy> work:p
[08:37] <slickymasterWork> hi elfy 
[08:41] <elfy> left a message in -release for the time being
[08:42] <elfy> slickymasterWork: someone called Luyin is floating about wanting to get involved, europe timezone which helps, I've dealt with the QA side, but "I just said I'd like to contribute with translations (English, German), documentation, FAQ; testing packages, reporting bugs, and the like"
[08:42] <elfy> so keep an eye out :)
[08:43] <slickymasterWork> I will elfy. Was he about here, in the channel?
[08:43] <elfy> yep, still is :)
[08:43] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks for the heads up elfy 
[08:44]  * slickymasterWork is reading through the weekend logs
[08:44] <elfy> :)
[08:45] <ochosi> elfy: ok, thanks!
[08:45] <slickymasterWork> morning ochosi 
[08:45] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork 
[08:46] <Luyin> slickymasterWork: I'm here ;)
[08:46] <slickymasterWork> Ihey there Luyin 
[08:46] <Luyin> hi slickymasterWork 
[08:47] <slickymasterWork> I ear you're willing to help us, do you have any questions/doubts I can help you with?
[08:48] <slickymasterWork> re: documentations, translations, etc
[08:48] <slickymasterWork> Luyin: ^^
[08:48] <Luyin> slickymasterWork: actually, at the moment, no. I got a lot of useful links to read which I'll do by the time I'm finished at work and I'm home, and then I'll see what's next ;)
[08:49] <slickymasterWork> great Luyin. In the meanwhile I'll provide you one other link you could start on -> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic/+pots/desktop-guide/de/+translate
[08:49] <slickymasterWork> do you already have a LP account, Luyin?
[08:50] <Luyin> slickymaster: yes, the email's onkel-pflaume@web.de
[08:50] <slickymasterWork> Luyin: every help is welcome, be it proof-reading spelling and grammar, checking consistency of formatting, checking consistency of language and style or writing glossary entries and adding entries to the index of the xubuntu documentation
[08:51] <slickymasterWork> just on last link Luyin -> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/support_documentation/
[08:51] <slickymasterWork> Luyin, if you have any doubts don't hesitate to ping me
[08:52] <Luyin> slickymasterWork: all right!
[08:52] <slickymasterWork> np Luyin. It's good to have you ~aboard
[08:57] <Luyin> thanks!
[08:58] <knome> hey Luyin
[08:59] <Luyin> hi knome 
[08:59] <elfy> ochosi: damn thing is booting now ... 
[08:59] <slickymasterWork> key knome 
[08:59] <slickymasterWork> o/
[08:59] <slickymasterWork> s/key/hey
[08:59] <knome> key slickymasterWork, and hey too ;)
[08:59] <slickymasterWork> :)
[09:00] <knome> slickymasterWork, you're the key slickymasterWork of this team!
[09:00] <knome> no other slickymasterWork would do
[09:00] <slickymasterWork> only you to make laugh on a monday morning knome 
[09:00] <slickymasterWork> + me
[09:01] <knome> good ;)
[09:01]  * knome cheers for no work mail in inbox
[09:01] <knome> now let's start mailing other people! :P
[09:01] <elfy> hi knome 
[09:01] <knome> hey elfy :)
[09:05] <ochosi> elfy: wait, you make it sound like that's a bad thing...? :)
[09:06] <elfy> well yea - it's conspired to make me look dafter than I am :D
[09:06] <ochosi> hihi
[09:07] <ochosi> bbl
[09:07] <elfy> so - should have the test up and ready to roll soon - but I'll not be calling until beta 1 is done and dusted
[09:07] <elfy> cya later ochosi 
[09:20] <brainwash> bluesabre: more and more people complain about the behavior change caused by the latest xfpm bug fix update in trusty
[09:20] <brainwash> which is bug 1349056
[09:22] <brainwash> xfpm has stopped to inhibit logind once again or sth like that
[09:25] <elfy> loads of updates for xubuntu website http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-250814-102355.php
[09:26] <brainwash> xubuntu website?!
[09:27] <elfy> yea - update mangler mangling again perhaps :)
[09:27] <brainwash> weird grouping of updates
[09:27] <elfy> indeed, first time I've seen it say anything about xubuntu website :)
[09:28] <brainwash> don't use this evil piece of software :>
[09:28] <elfy> I don't very often, I just let it pretend to be used - I am after all testing the dev version :D
[09:35] <bluesabre> brainwash: more and more people are basically following their own steps to fix the problem, instead of what we outline... they even that their xfconf settings for xfpm are incorrect.
[09:35] <bluesabre> it sounds like they are skipping the "Press Apply" step to me.
[09:36] <brainwash> ah, so it's just a misconfiguration
[09:36] <bluesabre> possibly
[09:36] <brainwash> and the default setup (clean install) should be OK
[09:36] <bluesabre> ochosi, can you and eric check it out?
[09:36] <bluesabre> yeah, default should work, we even had verified fixes from several users
[09:37] <bluesabre> or that they are having a bug at a different step, where the login screen is black
[09:37] <bluesabre> more and more, it sounds like X failing on VT switch
[09:38] <bluesabre> and I'd argue, that's not quite our fault
[09:39] <elfy> \o/ installing xubuntu minimal now 
[09:41] <bluesabre> I'd suggest leaving a comment to run this command: xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s false
[09:41] <bluesabre> which toggles the setting when clicking apply off, apply on
[09:43] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok, will do
[09:43] <bluesabre> thanks
[09:49] <Unit193> elfy: Jump from Trusty to Utopic or something?
[09:51] <elfy> Unit193: not sure - but I go the mini again and it's installing, very odd - must have not got the new image when I thought I did
[09:52] <Unit193> Yeah not sure, when I tested it it worked fine. :/
[09:53] <elfy> who knows - anyway it's almost finished now, checking the testcase, will get that up for merge and sync shortly, balloons is going to sort the tracker for me, then we can call next week for it and move the damn things from to do/doing to done :)
[09:54] <Unit193> Thanks a ton, yeah that'll be nice.
[09:54] <Unit193> ochosi: ^ status.
[09:55] <Unit193> (Didn't get the link to the testcase before I tried it, but I could try it again.)
[09:56] <elfy> the updated one is only local - the pad one is wrong in places
[09:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: As to what to do, could wait and hold off for a new upstream release, or just go with http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt-offline/apt-offline.git/commit/?id=debf1ea478ec05bbfea4005156c1652af69ebd80 and upload, fixing Bug #1357217.
[09:57] <Unit193> elfy: Oh hrm, seem to missed them, sorry.
[09:57] <elfy> Unit193: s'ok :) that's why more than 2 eyes is good 
[09:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: is apt-offline in the xubuntu packageset?
[09:59] <Unit193> Yes.
[09:59] <Unit193> But, haven't personally heard what upstream plans to do.
[09:59] <Unit193> (Commented because it's seeded, but broken thus useless right now.)
[10:02] <bluesabre> Sweet
[10:02] <bluesabre> Upstream might take a while, we can deliver an ubuntu patch for now
[10:04] <Unit193> OK, thanks.
[10:05] <Unit193> Think that's the only status update for now.
[10:07] <elfy> Unit193: ok - that's all done, mp done - just got to wait for balloons now
[10:07] <elfy> I'll grab him this afternoon
[10:07] <Unit193> Great.
[10:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: want to make the patched package and score a sponsored upload?
[10:08] <bluesabre> ;)
[10:10] <slickymasterWork> elfy, do you want me to comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1360353 ?
[10:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: It's native, nope. :D
[10:11] <elfy> slickymasterWork: you can if you like - though I assume you mean the mp 
[10:11] <Unit193> Though I can of course, if you'd like.
[10:12] <elfy> slickymasterWork: it'd possibly be better if I can get it all synced so balloons can just deal with the tracker
[10:12] <knome> Unit193, that'd be great, on your way to per-package upload rights ;)
[10:12] <bluesabre> If you've got the time, otherwise remind me about it tonight/tomorrow
[10:12] <slickymasterWork> yes, I meant the MP, of course ;)
[10:14] <Unit193> knome: I'm not on my way, silly. :D
[10:15] <knome> Unit193, yeeees you are.
[10:22] <elfy> slickymasterWork: ta :)
[10:22] <slickymasterWork> np elfy 
[10:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: I think https://sigma.unit193.net/source/apt-offline_1.3.1ubuntu1.dsc looks right...
[10:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: menulibre is in the packageset.  Also, syncs are uploads.
[10:47] <bluesabre> hm
[10:48] <bluesabre> why did I get rejected then when I tried to push menulibre 2.0.5 for trusty for sru?
[10:49] <Unit193> You are packageset for Xubuntu Utopic+
[10:49] <bluesabre> I thought they enabled it for trusty as well
[10:49] <bluesabre> also, where do you view these stats?
[10:49] <bluesabre> I dig around a lot and think I get the right info
[10:50] <Unit193> Oh, that's been changed, yeah.  I see, thought you meant menulibre/utopic, it's still not in trusty, nevermind.
[10:51] <bluesabre> but yeah, is there a link with packageset info, or a command?
[10:53] <Unit193> mugshot and whiskermenu are both not in there.  ubuntu-upload-permission, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/
[10:54]  * bluesabre bookmarks
[10:54] <Unit193> Just bookmark/remember people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive for that matter.
[10:55] <bluesabre> nice
[10:55]  * elfy did too
[10:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Ping you tonight with the link, or you'll remember?
[10:57] <bluesabre> I'll probably remember.
[10:58] <knome> heh, there's weird packages in the xubuntu packageset
[10:58] <knome> like elyxer
[10:58] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[10:58] <Unit193> OK, debdiff added too.
[10:58] <knome> bluesabre, break it break it!!
[10:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: should we use quilt with native packages?
[11:02] <Unit193> It's native, not quilt, so I'm going with no.  debian-installer and apt both also just make direct changes.  Also, IMO not quite as bad as it'd normally be, as I'm sure we'll sync the next release for V, right?
[11:03] <bluesabre> right
[11:03] <bluesabre> ok
[11:03] <bluesabre> I'll upload it when I get back tonight
[11:04] <bluesabre> going to see doctor who tonight in the theater
[11:04] <bluesabre> so, I'll be on late
[11:04] <elfy> do you want to know what happens before you go?
[11:04] <elfy> :p
[11:04] <bluesabre> nope
[11:04] <bluesabre> kthxbai
[11:04] <elfy> heh
[11:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Have fun!  Dressing up?  Want me to tell you about the new doctor? :D
[11:05] <bluesabre> nah
[11:05] <knome> Unit193, bluesabre: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Maintained_packages
[11:05] <bluesabre> Some of our friends are dressing up, but we're still new to this whole thing :)
[11:06] <Unit193> That works, knome.
[11:06] <bluesabre> theres an extra space before  Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Codename
[11:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh please tell me Matt wasn't your fav?
[11:07] <knome> bluesabre, lol.
[11:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: so far, I like Matt best, 10 second, don't really care for 9
[11:07] <bluesabre> haven't watched any classic
[11:07] <Unit193> Geeez... :(
[11:07] <knome> bluesabre, can't see that in the moin markup :)
[11:08] <bluesabre> knome: the html parser is hallucinating
[11:08] <bluesabre> ;)
[11:08] <knome> yep.
[11:58] <brainwash> bluesabre: do we need a bug fix release for trusty to fix bug 1313838 ?
[12:00] <brainwash> is it sru worthy? there is a workaround to fix it manually
[12:15] <bluesabre> I didn't fix that with the latest version uploaded to trusty? I'll take a look later and SRU it in if needed.
[12:15] <bluesabre> heading out now, bbl
[12:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: check out what exactly?
[13:08] <Luyin> bbl
[20:56] <Unit193> xfce4-power-manager 1.3.2-1 landed in Debian experimental, nothing in the changelog of interest.
[21:00] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you have pkg-xfce commit access?
[21:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Bumped the xfpm packaging ver.
[21:54] <brainwash> skellat: can we close bug 1211933 ? I'm not familiar with this issue, but the report is still open and there does not seem to be any progress
[21:59] <skellat> brainwash: The problem isn't on our end but on Ubuntu Customization Kit's.  LP Bug 840094 is what caused the change that UCK doesn't expect that caused the bug.  Frankly we'd need to re-test with something recent to see if this is still happening.  Mark it Incomplete and it'll expire out in 60 days barring any further action.
[22:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: Erm, xfce4-power-manager-plugins depends on xfce4-panel, didn't you want to bundle all plugins into, well, the plugins package?
[22:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: Would you prefer to drop the dep, or xfce4-panel | lxpanel  it?