[01:24] <rantic> Hi everyone, I attempted to add a user to a group and accidently wiped out their sudo access. The root account seems to be disabled by default on Xubuntu and using the grub recovery option by holding shift isn't working. Any ideas?
[01:25] <rantic> I've tried tapping / holding shift constantly through the boot process, booting a live cd to edit sudoers and still no dice.
[01:26] <KM0201> how do you restore the applications menu to it's default?  Somehow it's gotten all jacked up
[01:29] <rantic> KM0201: I'm not 100% on this but try renaming your ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[01:29] <rantic> it _should_ generate a new one based on the default skeleton
[01:30] <KM0201> ok
[01:30] <KM0201> thanks
[01:31] <KM0201> hmm, i don't have that directory.
[01:32] <rantic> KM0201: Do you have /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[01:34] <KM0201> it was undder ~/.config/menus
[01:34] <KM0201> seems to have done the trick
[01:34] <KM0201> i'm still messing a couple of menus though.
[01:34] <KM0201> weird
[01:36] <rantic> try copying /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu to the file that was in your ~/.config/menus file
[01:38] <KM0201> k, let me see something real quick
[01:38] <KM0201> brb
[01:41] <KM0201> well, its better, but i'm still missing my accessories menu for somereason
[01:42] <KM0201> man, the menu editing tool really sucks.
[01:43] <KM0201> i wonder if i could boot the live CD, and pull the menu off of it?
[08:31] <yell0w> i'm on xubuntu 12.04. I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html but hibernate still does not work from the menu. pm-hibernate works from terminal. any suggestions ?
[08:38] <yell0w> i'm on xubuntu 12.04. I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html but hibernate still does not work from the menu. pm-hibernate works from terminal. any suggestions ?
[08:40] <brainwash> yell0w: open a terminal window and run "xfce4-session-logout --hibernate"
[08:41] <brainwash> if it fails, it should print some error message
[08:42] <yell0w> brainwash: failed to hibernate session, not authorized
[08:45] <brainwash> so, the file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla exists and its content it OK too?
[08:45] <yell0w> yes
[08:46] <brainwash> please pastebin the output of "upower -d" also
[08:48] <yell0w> brainwash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8138871/
[08:50] <brainwash> the 2nd and 3rd rule (login1) are only needed for Ubuntu 13.10 or newer
[08:51] <yell0w> brainwash: i did google the error and found a few things on the forums and so i tried
[08:51] <brainwash> but still, not sure why you are not authorized to hibernate the system
[08:51] <yell0w> yes very weird
[08:51] <yell0w> do you have to be in certain group ?
[08:55] <brainwash> don't think so
[08:57] <brainwash> yell0w: did you relog at least once? policy changes should take effect immediately.. but who knows
[08:58] <yell0w> brainwash: i've had that policy file on there since last 2/3 reboots
[09:02] <brainwash> yell0w: you can trigger hibernate directly via dbus call, simply run "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate"
[09:02] <brainwash> lets see if this prints some error
[09:05] <yell0w> brainwash: Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized
[09:07] <xubuntu848> What skype file shud i use to install skype ? there are diferents files on the skype site.
[09:08] <yell0w> xubuntu848: enable -partner and install from apt ?
[09:08] <brainwash> yell0w: not sure, how to debug this further, sorry :/
[09:08] <yell0w> haha thanks brainwash
[09:09] <brainwash> yell0w: you could consider upgrading to 14.04... but that's an ugly solution
[09:09] <xubuntu848> Yelløv maybe the easy way.. but i am confused peoiples tell my diferents way and sometimes it not working.
[09:09] <xubuntu848> So i can finde it in softwarecenter if i enable -partner ?
[09:10] <yell0w> brainwash: are all the bugs kinked out yet ?
[09:10] <yell0w> xubuntu848: yes, should be
[09:10] <xubuntu848> is that also for lubuntu ? i use both.
[09:10] <yell0w> that's how i installed mine
[09:11] <brainwash> yell0w: not quite yet, do you have any specific bug in mind?
[09:12] <yell0w> brainwash: well i've generally waited a while till all the kinks are worked out before i upgrade :)
[09:13] <yell0w> brainwash: i don't remember specifically but i've always had to work around things after upgrading
[09:13] <yell0w> hahaha
[09:13] <yell0w> not for this then that :)
[09:13] <brainwash> yell0w: these things never change, luckily we got workarounds for almost every bug :P
[09:14] <yell0w> brainwash: haha yes that's the good thing about it
[09:14] <yell0w> i was upgrading every 6 months from dapper
[09:15] <yell0w> then lts from lucid
[09:15] <yell0w> and now i wait a bit for the lts to solidify lol :P
[09:16] <brainwash> the first point release of Xubuntu 14.04 is already available -> 14.04.1
[09:16] <yell0w> yeah i saw that when i login here
[09:17] <yell0w> i think i'm gonna go for it when i have a bit spare time
[09:18] <cfhowlett> yell0w, sudo do-release-upgrade for in-place upgrade or do a torrent to get the 14.04.1 ISO
[09:19] <yell0w> cfhowlett: will do
[09:19] <yell0w> thanks :)
[09:22] <yell0w> well i'm off for now
[09:42] <xubuntu718> ciao a tutti
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[10:18] <keeper_19_86> hi, i hope i don't annoy any of you by asking such a trivial thing, but maybe one of you guys was bothered by the same issue and could help me: I want my desktop symbols to not be that close to the titlebar. Somehow the grit seems to have changed ... does any body know if and where i can define something like a "top-spacing" or "top-distance" for the desktop symbols?
[10:19] <james0r> keeper_19_86, by desktop symbols do you mean the icons for windows that you've opened?
[10:20] <keeper_19_86> no i mean the symbols on the desktop for filesystem, home etc.
[10:21] <james0r> keeper_19_86, and the space between the highest icon and the top panel has increased somehow? is the space as big as an icon, like space is being reserved for an icon but there is nothing there?
[10:24] <keeper_19_86> no the space has decreased somehow (while the distance between the symbols remained the same): http://postimg.org/image/fpwnnqqwt/
[10:25] <keeper_19_86> on the left of the image you see as it was before, and on the right as it looks now ...
[10:27] <james0r> keeper_19_86, looks like for some reason the desktop isn't noticing the panel and offsetting accordingly
[10:28] <james0r> keeper_19_86, what happens if you run 'xfce4-panel -r' ?
[10:30] <keeper_19_86> that did end (crash?) xchat somehow but the symbols are still at the same position ...
[10:30] <james0r> keeper_19_86, probably just xchat's systray icon isn't visible, you'll have to reload xchat to get that back.
[10:30] <james0r> keeper_19_86, try 'sudo killall xfdesktop' it should automatically restart the desktop
[10:31] <keeper_19_86> okay brb
[10:32] <keeper_19_86> wow ...
[10:32] <keeper_19_86> james0r, it worked!!!
[10:32] <james0r> keeper_19_86, most likely the order of the xfdesktop loading initially is the problem
[10:32] <james0r> keeper_19_86, unfortunately I have no idea how you order that but maybe someone can jump in? :)
[10:33] <james0r> keeper_19_86, i take it you've logged out and back in and this behavior persisted right?
[10:33] <keeper_19_86> james0r, would be great. Thank you very for your help :)
[10:33] <james0r> keeper_19_86, yeah you can always add a line to kill the desktop and time it a few seconds after log in. a little sloppy of a workaround but it should work
[10:34] <keeper_19_86> okay great :) - the behaviour is/was like that for a long time now (after a session crashed)
[10:35] <james0r> keeper_19_86, my only guess would be that when that crash happened the session was saved and threw the order out of whack
[10:38] <keeper_19_86> james0r, i'll try a logout/login now :)
[10:42] <keeper_19_86> james0r, seems like i have to write it in a startup script ;-)
[10:46] <james0r> keeper_19_86, any luck?
[10:47] <keeper_19_86> james0r, after login it was the same problem. Now i've added the command (sudo killall xf...) to be executed on startup (i was afraid it would annoy me with the password for sudo - but it didnt) - now it works like charm :) :) :)
[10:48] <keeper_19_86> james0r, session-startup to be exact :)
[10:49] <james0r> keeper_19_86, cool glad that worked. you have permissions for the desktop anyway if sudo didn't work.
[10:50] <keeper_19_86> james0r, again thank you very much. Now i have a system as flawless as never before in 15 years of PC-(Work)-Experience
[10:50] <keeper_19_86> james0r, *happy* ;-)
[10:51] <james0r> keeper_19_86, haha awesome. i don't think that spacing is "minor" at all. that would bug the crap out of me
[10:51] <james0r> i'm having some issues with my theme making the whisker menu icon and window button icons really small. when i get some time i wanna tweak that because that even bugs me heh
[10:52] <keeper_19_86> haha seriously? glad to see that i'm not the only one who gets disturbed by details like that :D
[10:52] <james0r> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16833274/Screenshot%20-%2008252014%20-%2005%3A52%3A31%20PM.png
[10:53] <james0r> you can see there a little bit smaller than the systray icons. depending on the theme i'm using they can end up really small or take up the entire height of the panel almost
[10:54] <james0r> i'll save that one for a very rainy day :)
[10:55] <keeper_19_86> james0r, nice :) - i even talked to the creator of the whisker menu, if he would implement that the keywords are used by the menu search (so that if i type "FTP" i'll get filezilla as a result)
[10:55] <paulo> Can i upgrade my xubuntu 12.04.3 LTS to the new release (14.04) via update manager without problems???
[10:56] <knome> paulo, most upgrades should not have problems, but take backups before you upgrade
[10:57] <paulo> my specific question is: in the update manager it is mentioned Ubuntu...i don want Unity, i want Xubuntu!! Is it possible, updating directly from there?
[11:01] <keeper_19_86> james0r, :D at my last "rainy day session" i changed some of the colorful tray icons to be white, just like the battery or wifi icon ;-)
[11:06] <knome> paulo, the upgrade manager will only upgrade the packages you have, not install new ones (unless they are needed by the packages that you have installed)
[11:09] <paulo> Ok, so, it will upgrade the 14.04 but xfce, wich is the packages i have!! Correct?
[11:09] <knome> paulo, yes.
[11:09] <knome> paulo, xubuntu uses the ubuntu core, which is why "ubuntu" is mentioned.
[11:10] <paulo> one thing more, 12.04 will continue to be supported, it continue with updates?
[11:11] <knome> paulo, until april 2015, yes. there will be more updates on some of the core packages for that, but not the xfce/xubuntu-specific ones
[11:12] <paulo> what do you recommend me? To stay with 12.04 or to upgrade to 14.04? I am new in Linux...
[11:12] <knome> paulo, i would upgrade to 14.04 before april 2015.
[11:13] <paulo> and through the update manager, it is a good way to upgrade?
[11:14] <knome> it's just as good as anything else
[11:14] <knome> but as i said: take backups before you upgrade
[11:14] <knome> it *is* possible that the upgrade fails, and you want to have your important files safe if that happens
[11:16] <paulo> ok, so at last, to xubuntu it wont be more updates in 12.04, correct?
[11:17] <knome> after april 2015, no xfce/xubuntu-specific packages will be updated.
[11:21] <paulo> I have had some problems on boot the system... this can not be related to the failure to date to 14.04, right?
[11:22] <knome> paulo, it's impossible to say, but i doubt
[11:25] <paulo> ok, knome. thnk you very much!
[11:29] <garandil> Is there any way to map the Windows key to have the same behavior as in Windows and bring up the "start menu" ?
[11:30] <knome> garandil, try adding a shortcut to xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu or -whiskermenu
[11:33] <garandil> knome, thanks, whiskermenu was what I was looking for
[11:37] <brainwash> garandil: but this will interfere with other <super> keyboard shortcuts
[11:37] <garandil> brainwash, I aint using any other shortcuts that uses that key
[11:38] <brainwash> should be fine then :)
[11:39] <garandil> And one more thing, are there any repercussions to remove swap? I got 12GB RAM and never touch swap, but it takes up precious diskspace
[11:40] <brainwash> what about hibernating the system? this also requires a swap partition
[11:41] <garandil> Ah, so there are effects
[11:41] <garandil> Didnt think about that
[11:44] <brainwash> you can create a swap file instead, but I'm not sure if hibernate will continue to work or how it allocates the disk space (dynamically?)
[12:00] <garandil> Any good source on how to make deb files from source ?
[12:01] <knome> garandil, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[12:02] <garandil> thanks
[12:02] <koegs> checkinstall is also nice, but not meant for distributing deb-files
[12:50] <mbwe> could somebody tell me where i could find the default package list which comes with the install medium
[12:51] <deshipu> mbwe: it's a little bit complex, basically all the packages on which xubuntu-desktop depends
[12:51] <deshipu> mbwe: and their dependencies in turn
[13:23] <koegs> mbwe: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[13:23] <mbwe> thanks koegs and deshipu
[14:47] <Klubuntu> What is the big differnents between Xubuntu and Lubuntu ? except lubuntu have lower systemrequirements ?
[14:48] <cfhowlett> !flavors | Klubuntu
[14:49] <Klubuntu> How to find out what is best for me ? i like both..
[14:51] <GridCube> Klubuntu, get both isos, boot them up into live sessions and try them
[14:51] <Klubuntu> I have to netbooks.. use both..
[14:51] <GridCube> in this channel we will say xubuntu, in #lubuntu they'll say lubuntu
[14:51] <Klubuntu> works fine.
[14:51] <GridCube> then its just your desicion that matters, again, we here use xubuntu, and most of us rarely have a problem with it
[14:53] <Klubuntu> I use xubunt on the computer with most ram. i think it is ok.
[14:54] <GridCube> :)
[14:54] <cfhowlett> Klubuntu, lubuntu is optimized for low spec / legacy hardware.  xubuntu is not optimized but is also well-regarded
[15:03] <Klubuntu> where can i find my skype folder ? want to delete a skype name.
[15:04] <cfhowlett> Klubuntu, /home/.skype
[15:05] <Klubuntu> It is not working. nothing happens../home/.skype
[15:06] <cfhowlett> Klubuntu, /home/.skype is not a command.  you asked where the file is.  that's where the file is.
[15:06] <Klubuntu> I found.. it was hidden.. thank you.
[15:22] <Klubuntu> If i need to find other softwares is it needed to mark Canonical partners and Canonical partners (source code)both of them ?
[15:22] <baizon> Klubuntu: source code is if you want to compile something or use the source code
[15:23] <baizon> i personally dont have it marked
[17:38] <xubuntu471> .
[18:27] <csenger41> hello
[18:27] <csenger41> anyone could help me how to remove icons from panel Indicator Plugin?
[19:17] <sergio-br2> hey
[19:17] <sergio-br2> i'm having a problem with menulibre
[19:17] <sergio-br2> it is crashing
[19:18] <sergio-br2> the config file of menulibre is where?
[19:20] <sergio-br2> i'm having this problem:
[19:20] <sergio-br2> menulibre
[19:20] <sergio-br2> ** (menulibre:24518): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-eFv18PfmFR: Connection refused
[19:20] <sergio-br2> **
[19:20] <sergio-br2> ERROR:/build/buildd/gnome-menus-3.10.1/./libmenu/gmenu-tree.c:4022:preprocess_layout_info: assertion failed: (!directory->preprocessed)
[19:20] <sergio-br2> Aborted (core dumped)
[19:22] <brainwash> bluesabre: ^
[19:27] <brainwash> sergio-br2: you should file a bug report -> "ubuntu-bug menulibre"
[19:27] <sergio-br2> i deleted the .config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[19:28] <sergio-br2> and now it works
[19:28] <brainwash> might take some time until bluesabre answers, maybe it's a known issue, maybe even already fixed
[19:28] <brainwash> yeah, I remember reading about problems with corrupted menu files
[19:31] <sergio-br2> brainwash, take a look: http://pastebin.com/RfUNE32k
[19:31] <sergio-br2> it has the diff from the 2 config files
[19:32] <brainwash> which version of menulibre?
[19:35] <sergio-br2> 2.0.4-1
[19:37] <brainwash> ok, can you please file a bug report on launchpad and attach all information you've gathered so far?
[19:41] <sergio-br2> ok
[19:43] <brainwash> thanks :)
[19:59] <sergio-br2> brainwash, it seems it already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1310662
[20:28] <msev_> how to have xfce panel transparent while icons+text on panel are visible
[20:29] <knome> msev_, set the alpha to 0.
[20:30] <msev_> I don't have that alpha setting in the panel preferences
[20:30] <msev_> its strange
[20:31] <msev_> I wanna have it like here: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9611/ngvc.png
[20:31] <knome> which xubuntu version are you running
[20:32] <knome> do you have the xfce compositor enabled?
[20:49] <sergio-br2> trying to install midi support to Parole, but it does not find the package.
[20:50] <sergio-br2> which package comes with  audio/x-midi-event decoder?
[23:24] <donc3> HI!!!
[23:24] <donc3> I have a problem with the microphone in my xubuntu 14.04
[23:25] <donc3> I'm want to use the micro of the headset, but it only works  the netbook micro
[23:25] <donc3> could somebody help me??