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diddledanbetter01:56
diddledanis it morning yet?02:19
zmoylan-pinope02:21
diddledangrr02:21
zmoylan-piperfect time to work on your doomsday device :-)02:24
diddledandoes ubuntu-touch count?02:24
zmoylan-pino, that's just a weapon of mass distraction02:25
zmoylan-pibut if you get os/2 working on a phone...02:25
zmoylan-piat the very least it would annoy the buggery out of ms as it becomes more popular than winphone :-p02:27
diddledanwell wouldn't my one install achieve the "more popular than winphone" milestone?02:41
diddledanI just had a rant on the ubuntu-phone mailing list :-p02:41
diddledanhttps://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09629.html02:42
zmoylan-pinah, it needs a few million and you should never underestimate the os/2 holdouts02:56
zmoylan-pii have fond memories of it and if someone got one working i'd be seriously tempted02:56
zmoylan-pitill thenm, waiting for firefoxos to make it to ireland02:56
zmoylan-piand it would set the nsa back decades trying to write malware for it :-)03:01
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:44
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foobarrymy missis got to play occulus while i wasn't there09:48
foobarry:(09:48
brobostigonas in, VR oculus rift ?09:51
foobarryyep09:54
brobostigon:(09:55
awilkinsOoh, shiny09:55
foobarrybrother in law makes games for EA09:55
awilkinsDid she get to play Elite Dangerous on Rift?09:55
awilkinsOr just EA games?09:55
foobarryi think she was running around in a cartoon09:55
foobarrythey have it at their house09:55
awilkinsThe only thing stopping me getting a DK2 is the inevitable prospect of buyers remorse when the CV1 is released09:56
awilkinsI built one of those DIY headtrackers from an Arduino and it adds some very pleasing immersion to the game09:57
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:04
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SuperMattmornign bigcalm10:05
SuperMattare you feeling calm today?10:05
popeyyo10:05
bigcalmHaving had Monday off, quite calm. Except we went to IKEA yesterday for 4+ hours10:06
bigcalmWe are quite mad10:06
smittixMorning all :D10:23
directhexis it?10:23
bigcalmFor a little longer10:28
bigcalmI think we need a bank holiweek10:28
popey☹ desktop swap-death10:45
awilkinsSwap file dead?10:46
awilkinsSwapped a desktop and it's dead?10:46
popeyno, 8GB RAM, 2.8GB swap consumed10:46
popeynow it's completely unresponsive10:46
popeydisk light on#10:46
* popey REISUBS10:47
awilkinsIs REISUB more reliable on PS/2 or USB?10:47
directhexswap is so useless on modern systems10:47
directhexif you don't plan on using suspend-to-disk (hibernate) it's more harmful than helpful10:48
awilkinsI tend to agree, although I do occasionally run processes that benefit from it (even with 8GB of RAM)10:48
awilkinsThings like repacking certain Git repos with large files in them10:48
foobarryMyrtti: wife's first output from the spinning wheel was 2 large cushions for the kids to watch TV. they are natural colours, undyed. http://i.imgur.com/fUWDG72.jpg10:52
Myrttinice10:53
foobarryvery warm10:53
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* smittix yawns11:51
foobarrymonsoon has started12:00
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foobarryhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/greggdd69/15-orangutans-that-look-like-london-mayor-boris-jo-5v0w12:37
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SuperMattfoobarry: how dare you suggest that humans are somehow related to apes!13:04
foobarryactually i realised that link was a bit racist13:05
SuperMattI hadn't noticed that13:06
SuperMattI was just trying to stir a little something :P13:06
awilkinsGrrrrarrgh Windows Powershell - an entirely true statement13:15
awilkins(Windows Powers hell)13:15
directhexat least powershell has an "ls" command13:15
awilkinsA shell where you have to mess around for over an hour to get it to pass arguments to another program... not worthy of being called a "shell".13:15
awilkinsStill not worked out the convolutions it wants13:15
awilkinsThe "ls" command is an alias for `get-childitem`13:16
awilkinsThey removed the alias for "grep" being "select-string"13:16
SuperMattsurely it's a shell so you can add it back13:17
awilkinsYes13:17
awilkinsBut it's making me very cross13:17
awilkinsWhy is it so hard to pass arguments to another program from it13:18
awilkinsSo hard, that someone has created a debug tool that echoes the arguments to STDOUT13:18
awilkinsSo you can debug it13:18
SuperMattlawl13:19
awilkinsCurrently I can get the first three args then it smushes the rest all together into one arg, for some unknown reason only it is privy to13:19
SuperMattawilkins: have you tried turning it off and on again?13:31
awilkinsOk, it's something to do with using variables in argument lists13:34
awilkinsIf you replace one with a literal that isn't smushed into the list any more13:34
awilkins>-<13:35
awilkinsIf you insert a literal into the middle of the list of variables... it writes the variables as a single smushed arg ... then it writes the literal at the end13:35
awilkinsApparently it was my tragic conviction that   doStuff(1, 2, 3) was a reasonable way to call a function14:00
awilkinsPowershell assumes you mean an array if you use commas so doStuff(1,2, 3) == doStuff new Array { 1, 2, 3 }14:00
awilkinsAnd doesn't throw an error if you pass an array to a parameter set as [String], just casts the array to a string and ignores that the other two params are empty14:01
awilkinsdoStuff 1 2 3 #  is of course the correct way and I am chastened14:01
diddledanawilkins, bash does functions that way too15:03
awilkinsGuess I don't do functions in shell scripts enough15:04
awilkinsI mostly pipe and look an15:04
awilkinsloop15:04
awilkinsAnd set variables15:04
Myrttiugh what a failure15:35
Myrttiwhy does any small electronics device manufacturer ever bother with power sources with the round plug?15:37
awilkinsBecause you need something to power your USB hub with that isn't a USB hub?15:45
awilkins(Ok, you could power it with a USB charger)15:45
MyrttiSorry, I'm just disappointed at the Gramofon, which comes with a EU powersource and a weird ass looking adapter.15:47
zmoylan-pibecause someone is still making those power adapters and selling them cheap?15:47
Myrtti*sigh*15:47
directhexbecause not everything runs off 3.3V15:51
ali1234so gramofon is a chromecast with line out instead of HDMI...15:55
ali1234(in case anyone was wondering)15:55
ali1234and it costs $60 if you pre-order it, or $100 if you want until it is actually finished15:55
ali1234http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro%C2%AE-AV-Pro-Audio-Extractor-3-5mm/dp/B00ATRH2WS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1409068681&sr=8-4&keywords=hdmi+audio+splitter15:59
ali1234combine with a chromecast and you get the same thing, for less, and it runs off USB power15:59
ali1234and you can actually buy it today15:59
MyrttiI bought it mainly as a Fonera16:00
Myrttiwe already have a Belkin Bluetooth thing16:00
ali1234bluetooth audio thing?16:01
ali1234songstream?16:02
Myrttihttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DSNWM2K/16:07
zmoylan-pi1st world problems: you see a nice blue tooth headphones but then realise the radio on your phone needs the wire as an aerial :-)16:08
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