[01:56] <diddledan> better
[02:19] <diddledan> is it morning yet?
[02:21] <zmoylan-pi> nope
[02:21] <diddledan> grr
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> perfect time to work on your doomsday device :-)
[02:24] <diddledan> does ubuntu-touch count?
[02:25] <zmoylan-pi> no, that's just a weapon of mass distraction
[02:25] <zmoylan-pi> but if you get os/2 working on a phone...
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> at the very least it would annoy the buggery out of ms as it becomes more popular than winphone :-p
[02:41] <diddledan> well wouldn't my one install achieve the "more popular than winphone" milestone?
[02:41] <diddledan> I just had a rant on the ubuntu-phone mailing list :-p
[02:42] <diddledan> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09629.html
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> nah, it needs a few million and you should never underestimate the os/2 holdouts
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> i have fond memories of it and if someone got one working i'd be seriously tempted
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> till thenm, waiting for firefoxos to make it to ireland
[03:01] <zmoylan-pi> and it would set the nsa back decades trying to write malware for it :-)
[09:29] <foobarry> ................................\o/
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[09:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:48] <foobarry> my missis got to play occulus while i wasn't there
[09:48] <foobarry> :(
[09:51] <brobostigon> as in, VR oculus rift ?
[09:54] <foobarry> yep
[09:55] <brobostigon> :(
[09:55] <awilkins> Ooh, shiny
[09:55] <foobarry> brother in law makes games for EA
[09:55] <awilkins> Did she get to play Elite Dangerous on Rift?
[09:55] <awilkins> Or just EA games?
[09:55] <foobarry> i think she was running around in a cartoon
[09:55] <foobarry> they have it at their house
[09:56] <awilkins> The only thing stopping me getting a DK2 is the inevitable prospect of buyers remorse when the CV1 is released
[09:57] <awilkins> I built one of those DIY headtrackers from an Arduino and it adds some very pleasing immersion to the game
[10:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:05] <SuperMatt> mornign bigcalm
[10:05] <SuperMatt> are you feeling calm today?
[10:05] <popey> yo
[10:06] <bigcalm> Having had Monday off, quite calm. Except we went to IKEA yesterday for 4+ hours
[10:06] <bigcalm> We are quite mad
[10:23] <smittix> Morning all :D
[10:23] <directhex> is it?
[10:28] <bigcalm> For a little longer
[10:28] <bigcalm> I think we need a bank holiweek
[10:45] <popey> ☹ desktop swap-death
[10:46] <awilkins> Swap file dead?
[10:46] <awilkins> Swapped a desktop and it's dead?
[10:46] <popey> no, 8GB RAM, 2.8GB swap consumed
[10:46] <popey> now it's completely unresponsive
[10:46] <popey> disk light on#
[10:47]  * popey REISUBS
[10:47] <awilkins> Is REISUB more reliable on PS/2 or USB?
[10:47] <directhex> swap is so useless on modern systems
[10:48] <directhex> if you don't plan on using suspend-to-disk (hibernate) it's more harmful than helpful
[10:48] <awilkins> I tend to agree, although I do occasionally run processes that benefit from it (even with 8GB of RAM)
[10:48] <awilkins> Things like repacking certain Git repos with large files in them
[10:52] <foobarry> Myrtti: wife's first output from the spinning wheel was 2 large cushions for the kids to watch TV. they are natural colours, undyed. http://i.imgur.com/fUWDG72.jpg
[10:53] <Myrtti> nice
[10:53] <foobarry> very warm
[11:51]  * smittix yawns
[12:00] <foobarry> monsoon has started
[12:37] <foobarry> http://www.buzzfeed.com/greggdd69/15-orangutans-that-look-like-london-mayor-boris-jo-5v0w
[13:04] <SuperMatt> foobarry: how dare you suggest that humans are somehow related to apes!
[13:05] <foobarry> actually i realised that link was a bit racist
[13:06] <SuperMatt> I hadn't noticed that
[13:06] <SuperMatt> I was just trying to stir a little something :P
[13:15] <awilkins> Grrrrarrgh Windows Powershell - an entirely true statement
[13:15] <awilkins> (Windows Powers hell)
[13:15] <directhex> at least powershell has an "ls" command
[13:15] <awilkins> A shell where you have to mess around for over an hour to get it to pass arguments to another program... not worthy of being called a "shell".
[13:15] <awilkins> Still not worked out the convolutions it wants
[13:16] <awilkins> The "ls" command is an alias for `get-childitem`
[13:16] <awilkins> They removed the alias for "grep" being "select-string"
[13:17] <SuperMatt> surely it's a shell so you can add it back
[13:17] <awilkins> Yes
[13:17] <awilkins> But it's making me very cross
[13:18] <awilkins> Why is it so hard to pass arguments to another program from it
[13:18] <awilkins> So hard, that someone has created a debug tool that echoes the arguments to STDOUT
[13:18] <awilkins> So you can debug it
[13:19] <SuperMatt> lawl
[13:19] <awilkins> Currently I can get the first three args then it smushes the rest all together into one arg, for some unknown reason only it is privy to
[13:31] <SuperMatt> awilkins: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[13:34] <awilkins> Ok, it's something to do with using variables in argument lists
[13:34] <awilkins> If you replace one with a literal that isn't smushed into the list any more
[13:35] <awilkins> >-<
[13:35] <awilkins> If you insert a literal into the middle of the list of variables... it writes the variables as a single smushed arg ... then it writes the literal at the end
[14:00] <awilkins> Apparently it was my tragic conviction that   doStuff(1, 2, 3) was a reasonable way to call a function
[14:00] <awilkins> Powershell assumes you mean an array if you use commas so doStuff(1,2, 3) == doStuff new Array { 1, 2, 3 }
[14:01] <awilkins> And doesn't throw an error if you pass an array to a parameter set as [String], just casts the array to a string and ignores that the other two params are empty
[14:01] <awilkins> doStuff 1 2 3 #  is of course the correct way and I am chastened
[15:03] <diddledan> awilkins, bash does functions that way too
[15:04] <awilkins> Guess I don't do functions in shell scripts enough
[15:04] <awilkins> I mostly pipe and look an
[15:04] <awilkins> loop
[15:04] <awilkins> And set variables
[15:35] <Myrtti> ugh what a failure
[15:37] <Myrtti> why does any small electronics device manufacturer ever bother with power sources with the round plug?
[15:45] <awilkins> Because you need something to power your USB hub with that isn't a USB hub?
[15:45] <awilkins> (Ok, you could power it with a USB charger)
[15:47] <Myrtti> Sorry, I'm just disappointed at the Gramofon, which comes with a EU powersource and a weird ass looking adapter.
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> because someone is still making those power adapters and selling them cheap?
[15:47] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[15:51] <directhex> because not everything runs off 3.3V
[15:55] <ali1234> so gramofon is a chromecast with line out instead of HDMI...
[15:55] <ali1234> (in case anyone was wondering)
[15:55] <ali1234> and it costs $60 if you pre-order it, or $100 if you want until it is actually finished
[15:59] <ali1234> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro%C2%AE-AV-Pro-Audio-Extractor-3-5mm/dp/B00ATRH2WS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1409068681&sr=8-4&keywords=hdmi+audio+splitter
[15:59] <ali1234> combine with a chromecast and you get the same thing, for less, and it runs off USB power
[15:59] <ali1234> and you can actually buy it today
[16:00] <Myrtti> I bought it mainly as a Fonera
[16:00] <Myrtti> we already have a Belkin Bluetooth thing
[16:01] <ali1234> bluetooth audio thing?
[16:02] <ali1234> songstream?
[16:07] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DSNWM2K/
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> 1st world problems: you see a nice blue tooth headphones but then realise the radio on your phone needs the wire as an aerial :-)