[05:21] More more [05:23] gooie more [05:27] Lyk my almal slaap nog Cantide [05:27] kry seker koud [05:28] dis baie warm hier :D [05:29] wow, my Afrikaans sucks :( [05:32] Niks fout met jou Afrikaans nie [05:32] Waar is jy [05:32] korea [05:32] brb [05:33] o/ oh hi [05:33] Ish en jy praat Afrikaans Baie goed kom jy van SA? More nuvolari [05:33] môre bduk1, Cantide, deegee, [05:33] and Tonberry [05:34] hi [05:40] ja, ek kom van Durban af :p === deegee__ is now known as drussell [06:16] morning all [06:18] bushtech moerbuie [06:18] hi smile [06:19] hi Xethron [06:19] lo all [06:19] morning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy Symmetria [06:19] dont suppose anyone here happens to have a dealer account with rectron? [06:19] I need to buy some stuff from them which I'll pay them cash or card for but you gotta be a dealer with them to do so [06:20] mmm nope [06:20] could've helped if i was at my old job, but alas [06:21] Kilos: In engels noem hulle dit 'n tantrum [06:22] huh [06:22] nee man [06:22] mullberry [06:23] oh hi oom Kilos [06:23] hi nuvolari you chairing tonight? [06:28] I can do that oom Kilos [06:28] ty young man [06:32] hi drussell hows davey? [06:32] we all maintaining here [06:33] annnnnd it's done~ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/IMG_20140826_151331.jpg (2.2 MiB file :S) [06:35] what is it for Cantide ? [06:35] clock [06:35] ah well done [06:35] needs a case though.. [06:38] lol @ rectron [06:38] firstly, their pricelist download login/password has not changed in 5 years [06:39] secondly, a friends account (and he hasn't been in za for 4 years) is still active despite not having bought anything in 4 and a half years [06:40] i think Squirm bought from them recently Symmetria [06:40] or looked at their prices anyway [06:52] I need to buy a buttload of harddrives from them [07:14] Kilos: moerbeie [07:14] morning all [07:14] Maaz: coffee on [07:14] * Maaz puts the kettle on [07:14] good mornings everyone [07:15] hi inetpro [07:16] hi inetpro [07:17] hi charl [07:18] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:44] Symmetria: we have an account with them [07:44] Durban branch [07:48] Maaz: thanks [07:48] charl: Sure [08:45] hmm... inetpro they have 4g routers out now i see [08:46] i spose they wont make a diffs if there isnt 4g supply [08:48] you mean LTE [08:52] no [08:52] i dont think so [08:52] 3g upgraded to 4g [08:52] we dont get lte coverage [08:52] afaik there is no 4G yet, everyone started calling LTE 4G but actually it isn't 4G [08:52] WiMAX is 4G if i'm not mistaken [08:53] but i don't think there are any significant commercial deployments anywhere [08:53] i have a 3.75 g modem and the new dlink -157 is 4g i think but anyway i have a mail from a supplier advertising a 4g router [08:54] http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/support/product/dwm-157-3g-hspa-plus-usb-adapter that one? [08:55] wow that link is taking forever to open [08:56] the router is a tenda 4g639 [08:56] 630 sorry [08:58] thats a wifi AP with a usb port for a normal USB 3G dongle [08:58] you cant put a sim straight into it [08:58] i have a dlink-156 and ian has a 157 and hes is faster [08:59] seems to get better reception as well [08:59] thats not unusual [08:59] so theyve done some upgrading [09:00] its a newer model, i'd be a bit pissed off if it didn't have better specs [09:00] lol [09:00] spam coming [09:00] The DWM-157 3G HSPA+ USB Adapter supports the latest Evolved High Speed Packet Access (HSPA+) 3G technology, which boosts the maximum download speeds to up to 21.6 Mbps and uplink rate to 5.76 Mbps1, helping to reduce latency to give you the best mobile Internet experience. The technology is backwards compatible with 3.5G, 3G, and 2.5G, allowing you to connect from a variety of mobile broadband connections from around the world4. [09:01] "buy the new Hilux, now with higher prices, less features and worse fuel economy" [09:01] i havent got better than 8 Mb/s out of mine yet [09:01] haha [09:02] The DWM-156 supports the latest 3.75G High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) technology, which offers data rates up to 7.2 Mbps [09:02] sounds like you got exactly what its capable of [09:02] well ive got a bit more so im happy [09:02] you don't need more speed you need cheaper bundles :P [09:03] tell me about it [09:03] 7.2Mbps is more than i get at home on adsl [09:03] you work out the rocket science on how we are going to achieve that goal [09:03] i'm not a businessy type [09:11] we need to get a brain trust together to work out how we can use this way [09:12] http://computer.howstuffworks.com/bpl.htm [09:17] hmmm extremely slow speeds that [09:18] ya it is a bit slow, but would be free [09:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_over_power_lines [09:19] lol im already looking there too [09:19] not necessarily [09:19] The asymmetric speed in the modem is generally from 256 kbit/s to 2.7 Mbit/s [09:19] In the repeater situated in the meter room the speed is up to 45 Mbit/s and can be connected to 256 PLC modems. [09:19] that is quite decent [09:20] In the medium voltage stations, the speed from the head ends to the Internet is up to 135 Mbit/s. [09:20] thats very good\ [09:20] how to do it is the trick [09:21] but you see there are two components [09:21] there is the local component in your own house [09:21] and there is the component that links to the upstream provider (electrical company or whatever) [09:22] 2,7mbps would suck for regular internet but it would be more than good enough to link so-called "smart" devices to the internet [09:23] would be really good for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things [09:23] the main one that is going to supply the internet is the thing [09:23] where to place it and how far can it send [09:24] must surely be in a building that has high speed internet [09:25] it's not entirely clear to me either... hmmmm. === deegee is now known as drussell [10:41] Afternoon all [10:41] hi jrgns long time no heR [10:41] hey Kilos, hectic work schedule :( [10:41] AI! [10:41] oops [10:42] sucky sucky. no time to chat with intelligent people [10:42] lol [10:43] can anyone tell me, or point me to a resource, that properly defines the four memory types reported by collectd? [10:43] free, used, cached and buffered [10:44] afaik free + used should equal your total ram? [10:44] and it's bad if free + cached hits zero? [10:44] swap fits in there somewhere too [10:45] you on windows? [10:45] then its virtual memory [10:47] ubuntu boxen [10:47] well, ubuntu vm's running on MS's vm stack [10:48] what's weird, though, is that my free + used is about 1GB short of my actual ram allocation [10:48] but it might be the reporting software [10:53] jrgns: free is physical memory that is completely unused [10:54] used is the total that processes have asked the kernel for [10:54] buffers are where the kernel stores meta information about files stored on block devices [10:55] and cache is where the kernel stores content from files on block devices [10:55] if you take a file like /etc/profile for instance, the kernel stores information like its size, modification time, etc. in buffers, and the actual content of the file in cache [10:56] if memory needs to be allocated for a process the kernel will hand out from the free pool first [10:56] if it needs more it will expire cache data [10:56] post the output of 'free -m' [10:59] sure [10:59] total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 3946 3794 151 0 160 1890 -/+ buffers/cache: 1743 2202 Swap: 7029 32 6997 [10:59] urgh, no [11:00] http://slexy.org/ [11:01] thanx [11:01] http://slexy.org/view/s21mPCAeWb [11:02] used+free=total [11:03] yeah, for free -m, but collectd's numbers don't correspond [11:03] the free numbers are fine [11:03] ah ok [11:03] but used is around 1744 [11:04] sorry i didn't notice the collectd part [11:04] no worries [11:04] collectd's used is 1744? [11:04] but it looks like collectd's used is the -/+ buffers/cache part [11:04] yes [11:04] yes [11:04] care to explain that second line? [11:05] sure, it relates to the different ways of interpresting "used" [11:05] to the kernel, memory used for buffer/cache data is "used" (first line) [11:05] but the sysadmin generally wants to know how much applications have used (second line) [11:06] ah, schweet. [11:06] the -/+ buffers/cache corresponds with the used/free columns [11:06] I found this as well https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Tuning_and_Optimizing_Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_for_Oracle_9i_and_10g_Databases/chap-Oracle_9i_and_10g_Tuning_Guide-Memory_Usage_and_Page_Cache.html [11:06] a much more verbose url and explanation [11:06] thanx, appreciate the help [11:07] so (used-on-line1) - (buffers+cache) = (used-on-line2) [11:07] and (free-on-line1) + (buffers+cache) = (free-on-line2) [11:07] you're welcome [11:08] the colourful table at http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ pretty much summarises it too [11:09] collectd is behaving like the "You'd call it" column, and the first line of "free -m" is the "Linux calls it" column [11:11] makes sense [11:11] you learn something new every day === deegee is now known as drussell [11:36] Maaz ThatGraemeGuy ++ [11:37] huh [11:37] handy oke to have around [11:37] Maaz karma ThatGraemeGuy [11:37] Kilos: ThatGraemeGuy has karma of 1 [11:58] good afternoon all [11:58] crazy day here in the office [11:58] but yeah, keeping busy :) [12:07] hey charl :) [12:07] hi ThatGraemeGuy :) [12:08] how's it going in the world of hosting [12:08] pretty good [12:09] finally getting around to playing with PHP-FPM [12:09] looking forward to tossing mod_php [12:09] sadly won't happen overnight [12:17] nah i'm completely done with php [12:17] Pre-Historic Programming [12:18] i literally got contacted by a recruiter the other day for a php job [12:18] my answer was sorry i only work in modern programming languages [12:18] she actually communicated that back to the company as well - lol [12:18] i got that last year once too, turned them down flat and asked them to contact me again when they upgraded to a programming language [12:18] * modern programming languasge [12:19] *language (sorry apparently i can't type today) [12:21] it's like people still using perl [12:43] lol [12:43] thankfully i don't code [12:44] but most of our client base use PHP [12:56] ah :( [12:57] yeah some companies are still stuck in the dark ages [12:59] eh, if it works it works [14:01] its like the internal combustion engine, as long as there is money to be made from coal keep it as is [14:05] not coal oil i mean [14:06] minetest got me rattled [14:27] Maaz seen kbmonkey [14:27] Kilos: kbmonkey was last seen 1 month, 22 days, 19 hours, 44 minutes and 35 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-04 11:43:05 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-07-04 12:35:22 PDT [14:27] ai! [16:06] hi Tonberry [16:06] hello [16:53] good evening [16:53] hi magespawn [16:54] meeting tonight hey [16:54] lets hope it happens, i forgot to advertise [16:54] so did the pro i think [16:57] hi magespawn [16:57] hi Kilos [16:57] Maaz: coffee on [16:57] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [16:57] hi charl [16:57] hi charl [16:57] Maaz coffee please [16:57] magespawn: Okay [16:57] 90 mins till meeting ... [16:58] yip [17:01] Coffee's ready for charl and magespawn! [17:01] Maaz ty [17:01] You are welcome magespawn [17:01] Maaz: danke [17:01] Bitteschön [17:01] tomorrow i go to amsterdam [17:02] see the underwear models [17:02] eat some nice food, take nice pictures [17:02] and laugh at stoned foreigners :P [17:22] lol [17:27] man, i am still picking up the pieces from the last guy who did my job [17:28] wow now still? [17:42] fubar ? [17:51] yup still digging out passwords and user names, domain names, hosting providers etc [17:53] nothing really wrong, just have o dig through everything to find out what i am supposed to looking after [17:54] it's what people do to make themselves unmissable magespawn [17:54] put nothing down on paper [17:54] or just plain laziness [17:55] at work we put as much as we can down on a central wiki [17:58] so who on G+ is going to announce we have a meeting in 30 minutes time [17:58] inetpro ? [17:58] i am not quite that organized, but that is a good idea [18:01] Maaz: meeting.agenda [18:01] nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/ [18:01] keeping a wiki itzelf organized is a lot of work magespawn [18:01] oh hi :> [18:01] but of course it's better to keep everything together in one place [18:01] hi nuvolari [18:01] ack. that's an old agenda [18:02] hi charl, oom Kilos, magespawn [18:03] lo nuvolari [18:03] Maaz: agenda.link [18:03] nuvolari: *blink* [18:03] doen jy G+ seun [18:03] ek wil 'n link post na die agenda oom [18:03] ek kan google+ doen ja [18:03] http://bit.ly/1uGIsqG [18:03] ah, wiki ek dink? [18:03] dis agenda [18:04] en skree op G+ meeting begin in 25 minute [18:06] im getting very cold tonight [18:06] hi all [18:07] hi captine [18:07] hey there Kilos [18:07] meeting in 23 minutes [18:07] you made it [18:07] wow. i didnt even realize. just joined by chance... cool. will stay on unless the little dude wakes and needs food... [18:07] hi captine [18:07] hi charl [18:08] oh you breast feeding? [18:08] question. any of you used iDempiere? am looking for a good web based accounting system. [18:08] hehe [18:08] haha [18:08] nope. the wife is chilling. [18:08] :) [18:08] i am on duty [18:08] aha [18:08] will irc://freenode.net/#ubuntu-za work as a link? [18:09] I can't remember [18:09] not sure. anyone going to software freedom day thing in pretoria? [18:10] bah! [18:10] no direct link [18:10] *sigh* [18:11] captine i have not used that but i have used dolibarr [18:14] ok, the agenda isn't busy at all [18:14] so it might not be a long meeting... [18:17] ya things are very quiet for months now [18:17] thanks nuvolari. Dolibarr looks quite nice. is it based on any of the common ones like compiere etc? [18:20] wait, what's dolibarr? [18:20] * nuvolari googles [18:20] Ai, room Kilos, I just realised I double-booked my evening. [18:20] *oom [18:20] ok superfly ill shout for you [18:20] I'll try to pop in [18:21] ty [18:21] sorry, meant for magespawn [18:21] tsk tsk tsk :'( [18:21] thanks magespawn . Dolibarr looks quite nice. is it based on any of the common ones like compiere etc? [18:21] :) [18:22] Congrats captine, how old? [18:24] * superfly has #3 arriving in 3.5 weeks [18:24] oh my, we hold thumbs superfly [18:25] inetpro ping [18:25] Kilos: I'd prefer it if you didn't hold thumbs, otherwise you won't be able to do anything with your hands. [18:25] 9 months... and number 2 is arriving in feb.... [18:26] going to be a tough couple years.... [18:26] captine: woohoo! [18:26] captine: have fun while it lasts [18:26] lol [18:26] Anyway, I gotta go. Maybe see you folks later [18:27] ok [18:27] captine never actually had a look, that one just seemed to do almost everything i could think necessary [18:28] wow superfly, wow [18:29] not the best time for a phone call :-/ [18:29] sorry [18:30] np [18:30] Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting [18:30] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:30] Maaz I am Miles Sharpe [18:30] Kilos: Yessir [18:30] Maaz: announce meeting agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826 [18:30] Announcement from nuvolari! meeting agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826 [18:30] Maaz I am Greg Eames [18:30] magespawn: Righto [18:30] Maaz: I am [18:30] nuvolari: Sorry... [18:31] pfft [18:31] hahaha [18:31] Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt [18:31] nuvolari: Okay [18:31] Welcome everyone [18:31] and welcome to the loyal members [18:31] charl captine login please [18:31] lurking in here [18:31] smile ^^ [18:32] hi ;) [18:32] meeting? :) [18:32] there won't be too much going on tonight [18:33] I'm sure it is a busy time for everyone [18:33] but let it be known that we appreciate everyone's involvement [18:33] no matter how small :) [18:33] Do we have any new members? [18:33] not tonight [18:33] that would like to step into the spotlight? [18:34] aw, ok [18:34] you okes didnt rock G+ [18:34] eish [18:34] and i didnt tweet [18:34] Maaz: topic welcoming and introduction [18:34] Current Topic: welcoming and introduction [18:34] or post reminder in the list [18:34] Content precedes the topic [18:35] * Kilos apologises [18:35] maaz topic: Review previous minutes [18:35] nuvolari: Huh? [18:35] Maaz: topic: Review previous minutes [18:35] nuvolari: Huh? [18:35] Maaz: topic Review previous minutes [18:35] Current Topic: Review previous minutes [18:35] gosh [18:35] Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk [18:35] charl: Alrighty [18:35] ok, the previous minutes are available at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.txt [18:36] It was also a quiet meeting with a small attendance [18:36] yip [18:37] Maaz ping inetpro [18:37] Kilos: Error: unknown host inetpro [18:37] lol [18:37] Maaz: I am Bradley Putzier [18:37] captine: Righto [18:38] not anything that I want to discuss from the last meeting [18:38] the only things of interest is the upcoming releases and SFD [18:39] is it OK if I proceed to the next topic? [18:39] yip [18:39] Maaz: topic Releases [18:39] Current Topic: Releases [18:39] anyone been testing 14.10? [18:39] I saw my machine saying there's a 14.04.1 LTS upgrade from 12.04! [18:40] am sticking with 14.04 at the moment. [18:40] But I'm leaving on Friday so no use in upgrading now :P [18:40] 14.04 is running well for me. [18:40] got a colleague at work to replace his XP install with 14.04. and he seems to be going well with it [18:40] I had the horror of working with unity yesterday [18:40] I felt like my hands were chopped off [18:40] 14.04 is quite stable [18:41] nuvolari, lol. I love unity. Like Gnome 3 too. [18:41] :) [18:41] haha nuvolari it aint that bad [18:41] and for me, had some disk thrashing issues with firefox, but otherwise good [18:41] awesome captine! It's always good to hear of people finding alternative OS'es usable [18:42] I had a weird issue with that unity which required a restart to fix the problem: the 'g' key started appearing as a subscript h [18:42] nothing I did would fix it :-/ [18:42] sjoe [18:43] but I think it was a 13.10 install [18:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn is up in 2 months [18:44] bye :p [18:45]