[05:21] <bduk1> More more
[05:23] <Cantide> gooie more
[05:27] <bduk1> Lyk my almal slaap nog Cantide 
[05:27] <bduk1> kry seker koud
[05:28] <Cantide> dis baie warm hier :D
[05:29] <Cantide> wow, my Afrikaans sucks :(
[05:32] <bduk1> Niks fout met jou Afrikaans nie
[05:32] <bduk1> Waar is jy 
[05:32] <Cantide> korea
[05:32] <Cantide> brb
[05:33] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[05:33] <bduk1> Ish en jy praat Afrikaans Baie goed kom jy van SA? More nuvolari 
[05:33] <nuvolari> môre bduk1, Cantide, deegee, 
[05:33] <nuvolari> and Tonberry 
[05:34] <Tonberry> hi
[05:40] <Cantide> ja, ek kom van Durban af :p
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:18] <Kilos> bushtech  moerbuie
[06:18] <Kilos> hi smile  
[06:19] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[06:19] <Symmetria> lo all
[06:19] <Kilos> morning inetpro  ThatGraemeGuy  Symmetria  
[06:19] <Symmetria> dont suppose anyone here happens to have a dealer account with rectron?
[06:19] <Symmetria> I need to buy some stuff from them which I'll pay them cash or card for but you gotta be a dealer with them to do so 
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm nope
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> could've helped if i was at my old job, but alas
[06:21] <bushtech> Kilos: In engels noem hulle dit 'n tantrum
[06:22] <Kilos> huh
[06:22] <Kilos> nee man
[06:22] <Kilos> mullberry
[06:23] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos 
[06:23] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  you chairing tonight?
[06:28] <nuvolari> I can do that oom Kilos 
[06:28] <Kilos> ty young man
[06:32] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows davey?
[06:32] <Kilos> we all maintaining here
[06:33] <Cantide> annnnnd it's done~ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/IMG_20140826_151331.jpg (2.2 MiB file :S)
[06:35] <Kilos> what is it for Cantide  ?
[06:35] <Cantide> clock
[06:35] <Kilos> ah well done
[06:35] <Cantide> needs a case though..
[06:38] <Symmetria> lol @ rectron
[06:38] <Symmetria> firstly, their pricelist download login/password has  not changed in 5 years
[06:39] <Symmetria> secondly, a friends account (and he hasn't been in za for 4 years) is still active despite not having bought anything in 4 and a half years
[06:40] <Kilos> i think Squirm  bought from them recently Symmetria  
[06:40] <Kilos> or looked at their prices anyway
[06:52] <Symmetria> I need to buy a buttload of harddrives from them 
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: moerbeie
[07:14] <charl> morning all
[07:14] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:14]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:14] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:15] <charl> hi inetpro 
[07:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[07:17] <Kilos> hi charl  
[07:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:44] <Squirm> Symmetria: we have an account with them
[07:44] <Squirm> Durban branch
[07:48] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:48] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:45] <Kilos> hmm... inetpro  they have 4g routers out now i see
[08:46] <Kilos> i spose they wont make a diffs if there isnt 4g supply
[08:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> you mean LTE
[08:52] <Kilos> no 
[08:52] <Kilos> i dont think so
[08:52] <Kilos> 3g upgraded to 4g
[08:52] <Kilos> we dont get lte coverage
[08:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> afaik there is no 4G yet, everyone started calling LTE 4G but actually it isn't 4G
[08:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> WiMAX is 4G if i'm not mistaken
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i don't think there are any significant commercial deployments anywhere
[08:53] <Kilos> i have a 3.75 g modem and the new dlink -157 is 4g i think but anyway i have a mail from a supplier advertising a 4g router
[08:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/support/product/dwm-157-3g-hspa-plus-usb-adapter that one?
[08:55] <Kilos> wow that link is taking forever to open
[08:56] <Kilos> the router is a tenda 4g639
[08:56] <Kilos> 630 sorry
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> thats a wifi AP with a usb port for a normal USB 3G dongle
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> you cant put a sim straight into it
[08:58] <Kilos> i have a dlink-156 and ian has a 157 and hes is faster
[08:59] <Kilos> seems to get better reception as well
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> thats not unusual
[08:59] <Kilos> so theyve done some upgrading
[09:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a newer model, i'd be a bit pissed off if it didn't have better specs
[09:00] <Kilos> lol
[09:00] <Kilos> spam coming
[09:00] <Kilos> The DWM-157 3G HSPA+ USB Adapter supports the latest Evolved High Speed Packet Access (HSPA+) 3G technology, which boosts the maximum download speeds to up to 21.6 Mbps and uplink rate to 5.76 Mbps1, helping to reduce latency to give you the best mobile Internet experience. The technology is backwards compatible with 3.5G, 3G, and 2.5G, allowing you to connect from a variety of mobile broadband connections from around the world4.
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> "buy the new Hilux, now with higher prices, less features and worse fuel economy"
[09:01] <Kilos> i havent got better than 8 Mb/s out of mine yet
[09:01] <Kilos> haha
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> The DWM-156 supports the latest 3.75G High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) technology, which offers data rates up to 7.2 Mbps 
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like you got exactly what its capable of
[09:02] <Kilos> well ive got a bit more so im happy
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> you don't need more speed you need cheaper bundles :P
[09:03] <Kilos> tell me about it
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> 7.2Mbps is more than i get at home on adsl
[09:03] <Kilos> you work out the rocket science on how we are going to achieve that goal
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not a businessy type
[09:11] <Kilos> we need to get a brain trust together to work out how we can use this way
[09:12] <Kilos> http://computer.howstuffworks.com/bpl.htm
[09:17] <charl> hmmm extremely slow speeds that
[09:18] <Kilos> ya it is a bit slow, but would be free
[09:19] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_over_power_lines
[09:19] <Kilos> lol im already looking there too
[09:19] <charl> not necessarily
[09:19] <charl> The asymmetric speed in the modem is generally from 256 kbit/s to 2.7 Mbit/s
[09:19] <charl> In the repeater situated in the meter room the speed is up to 45 Mbit/s and can be connected to 256 PLC modems.
[09:19] <charl> that is quite decent
[09:20] <charl> In the medium voltage stations, the speed from the head ends to the Internet is up to 135 Mbit/s.
[09:20] <Kilos> thats very good\
[09:20] <Kilos> how to do it is the trick
[09:21] <charl> but you see there are two components
[09:21] <charl> there is the local component in your own house
[09:21] <charl> and there is the component that links to the upstream provider (electrical company or whatever)
[09:22] <charl> 2,7mbps would suck for regular internet but it would be more than good enough to link so-called "smart" devices to the internet
[09:23] <charl> would be really good for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things
[09:23] <Kilos> the main one that is going to supply the internet is the thing
[09:23] <Kilos> where to place it and how far can it send
[09:24] <Kilos> must surely be in a building that has high speed internet
[09:25] <charl> it's not entirely clear to me either... hmmmm.
[10:41] <jrgns> Afternoon all
[10:41] <Kilos> hi jrgns  long time no heR
[10:41] <jrgns> hey Kilos, hectic work schedule :(
[10:41] <Kilos> AI!
[10:41] <Kilos> oops
[10:42] <jrgns> sucky sucky. no time to chat with intelligent people
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:43] <jrgns> can anyone tell me, or point me to a resource, that properly defines the four memory types reported by collectd?
[10:43] <jrgns> free, used, cached and buffered
[10:44] <jrgns> afaik free + used should equal your total ram?
[10:44] <jrgns> and it's bad if free + cached hits zero?
[10:44] <Kilos> swap fits in there somewhere too
[10:45] <Kilos> you on windows?
[10:45] <Kilos> then its virtual memory
[10:47] <jrgns> ubuntu boxen
[10:47] <jrgns> well, ubuntu vm's running on MS's vm stack
[10:48] <jrgns> what's weird, though, is that my free + used is about 1GB short of my actual ram allocation
[10:48] <jrgns> but it might be the reporting software
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> jrgns: free is physical memory that is completely unused
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> used is the total that processes have asked the kernel for
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> buffers are where the kernel stores meta information about files stored on block devices
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> and cache is where the kernel stores content from files on block devices
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you take a file like /etc/profile for instance, the kernel stores information like its size, modification time, etc. in buffers, and the actual content of the file in cache
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> if memory needs to be allocated for a process the kernel will hand out from the free pool first
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> if it needs more it will expire cache data
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> post the output of 'free -m'
[10:59] <jrgns> sure
[10:59] <jrgns>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached Mem:          3946       3794        151          0        160       1890 -/+ buffers/cache:       1743       2202 Swap:         7029         32       6997
[10:59] <jrgns> urgh, no
[11:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/
[11:01] <jrgns> thanx
[11:01] <jrgns> http://slexy.org/view/s21mPCAeWb
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> used+free=total
[11:03] <jrgns> yeah, for free -m, but collectd's numbers don't correspond
[11:03] <jrgns> the free numbers are fine
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[11:03] <jrgns> but used is around 1744
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry i didn't notice the collectd part
[11:04] <jrgns> no worries
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> collectd's used is 1744?
[11:04] <jrgns> but it looks like collectd's used is the -/+ buffers/cache part
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[11:04] <jrgns> yes
[11:04] <jrgns> care to explain that second line?
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> sure, it relates to the different ways of interpresting "used"
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> to the kernel, memory used for buffer/cache data is "used" (first line)
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the sysadmin generally wants to know how much applications have used (second line)
[11:06] <jrgns> ah, schweet.
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> the -/+ buffers/cache corresponds with the used/free columns
[11:06] <jrgns> I found this as well https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Tuning_and_Optimizing_Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_for_Oracle_9i_and_10g_Databases/chap-Oracle_9i_and_10g_Tuning_Guide-Memory_Usage_and_Page_Cache.html
[11:06] <jrgns> a much more verbose url and explanation
[11:06] <jrgns> thanx, appreciate the help
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> so (used-on-line1) - (buffers+cache) = (used-on-line2)
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> and (free-on-line1) + (buffers+cache) = (free-on-line2)
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're welcome
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> the colourful table at http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ pretty much summarises it too
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> collectd is behaving like the "You'd call it" column, and the first line of "free -m" is the "Linux calls it" column
[11:11] <jrgns> makes sense
[11:11] <jrgns> you learn something new every day
[11:36] <Kilos> Maaz  ThatGraemeGuy  ++
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> huh
[11:37] <Kilos> handy oke to have around
[11:37] <Kilos> Maaz  karma ThatGraemeGuy  
[11:37] <Maaz> Kilos: ThatGraemeGuy has karma of 1
[11:58] <charl> good afternoon all
[11:58] <charl> crazy day here in the office
[11:58] <charl> but yeah, keeping busy :)
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey charl :)
[12:07] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy :)
[12:08] <charl> how's it going in the world of hosting
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty good
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> finally getting around to playing with PHP-FPM
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> looking forward to tossing mod_php
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> sadly won't happen overnight
[12:17] <charl> nah i'm completely done with php
[12:17] <charl> Pre-Historic Programming
[12:18] <charl> i literally got contacted by a recruiter the other day for a php job
[12:18] <charl> my answer was sorry i only work in modern programming languages
[12:18] <charl> she actually communicated that back to the company as well - lol
[12:18] <charl> i got that last year once too, turned them down flat and asked them to contact me again when they upgraded to a programming language
[12:18] <charl> * modern programming languasge
[12:19] <charl> *language (sorry apparently i can't type today)
[12:21] <charl> it's like people still using perl
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> thankfully i don't code
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> but most of our client base use PHP
[12:56] <charl> ah :(
[12:57] <charl> yeah some companies are still stuck in the dark ages
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh, if it works it works
[14:01] <Kilos> its like the internal combustion engine, as long as there is money to be made from coal keep it as is
[14:05] <Kilos> not coal oil i mean
[14:06] <Kilos> minetest got me rattled
[14:27] <Kilos> Maaz  seen kbmonkey
[14:27] <Maaz> Kilos: kbmonkey was last seen 1 month, 22 days, 19 hours, 44 minutes and 35 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-04 11:43:05 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-07-04 12:35:22 PDT
[14:27] <Kilos> ai!
[16:06] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[16:06] <Tonberry> hello
[16:53] <magespawn> good evening
[16:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[16:54] <Kilos> meeting tonight hey
[16:54] <Kilos> lets hope it happens, i forgot to advertise
[16:54] <Kilos> so did the pro i think
[16:57] <charl> hi magespawn 
[16:57] <charl> hi Kilos 
[16:57] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[16:57]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:57] <Kilos> hi charl  
[16:57] <magespawn> hi charl 
[16:57] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[16:57] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[16:57] <charl> 90 mins till meeting ...
[16:58] <Kilos> yip
[17:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and magespawn!
[17:01] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[17:01] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn
[17:01] <charl> Maaz: danke
[17:01] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:01] <charl> tomorrow i go to amsterdam
[17:02] <charl> see the underwear models
[17:02] <charl> eat some nice food, take nice pictures
[17:02] <charl> and laugh at stoned foreigners :P
[17:22] <magespawn> lol
[17:27] <magespawn> man, i am still picking up the pieces from the last guy who did my job
[17:28] <Kilos> wow now still?
[17:42] <charl> fubar ?
[17:51] <magespawn> yup still digging out passwords and user names, domain names, hosting providers etc
[17:53] <magespawn> nothing really wrong, just have o dig through everything to find out what i am supposed to looking after
[17:54] <charl> it's what people do to make themselves unmissable magespawn 
[17:54] <charl> put nothing down on paper
[17:54] <charl> or just plain laziness
[17:55] <charl> at work we put as much as we can down on a central wiki
[17:58] <Kilos> so who on G+ is going to announce we have a meeting in 30 minutes time
[17:58] <Kilos> inetpro  ?
[17:58] <magespawn> i am not quite that organized, but that is a good idea
[18:01] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:01] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/
[18:01] <charl> keeping a wiki itzelf organized is a lot of work magespawn 
[18:01] <nuvolari> oh hi :>
[18:01] <charl> but of course it's better to keep everything together in one place
[18:01] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[18:01] <nuvolari> ack. that's an old agenda
[18:02] <nuvolari> hi charl, oom Kilos, magespawn 
[18:03] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[18:03] <nuvolari> Maaz: agenda.link
[18:03] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:03] <Kilos> doen jy G+ seun
[18:03] <nuvolari> ek wil 'n link post na die agenda oom
[18:03] <nuvolari> ek kan google+ doen ja
[18:03] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1uGIsqG
[18:03] <nuvolari> ah, wiki ek dink?
[18:03] <Kilos> dis agenda
[18:04] <Kilos> en skree op G+ meeting begin in 25 minute
[18:06] <Kilos> im getting very cold tonight
[18:06] <captine> hi all
[18:07] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:07] <captine> hey there Kilos 
[18:07] <Kilos> meeting in 23 minutes
[18:07] <Kilos> you made it
[18:07] <captine> wow.  i didnt even realize.  just joined by chance... cool.  will stay on unless the little dude wakes and needs food...
[18:07] <charl> hi captine 
[18:07] <captine> hi charl 
[18:08] <Kilos> oh you breast feeding?
[18:08] <captine> question.  any of you used iDempiere?  am looking for a good web based accounting system.  
[18:08] <Kilos> hehe
[18:08] <captine> haha
[18:08] <captine> nope.  the wife is chilling. 
[18:08] <captine> :)
[18:08] <captine> i am on duty
[18:08] <Kilos> aha
[18:08] <nuvolari> will irc://freenode.net/#ubuntu-za work as a link?
[18:09] <nuvolari> I can't remember
[18:09] <captine> not sure.  anyone going to software freedom day thing in pretoria?
[18:10] <nuvi-webtest> bah!
[18:10] <nuvi-webtest> no direct link
[18:10] <nuvi-webtest> *sigh*
[18:11] <magespawn> captine i have not used that but i have used dolibarr
[18:14] <nuvolari> ok, the agenda isn't busy at all
[18:14] <nuvolari> so it might not be a long meeting...
[18:17] <Kilos> ya things are very quiet for months now
[18:17] <captine> thanks nuvolari.  Dolibarr looks quite nice.  is it based on any of the common ones like compiere etc?
[18:20] <nuvolari> wait, what's dolibarr?
[18:20]  * nuvolari googles
[18:20] <superfly> Ai, room Kilos, I just realised I double-booked my evening.
[18:20] <superfly> *oom
[18:20] <Kilos> ok superfly  ill shout for you
[18:20] <superfly> I'll try to pop in
[18:21] <Kilos> ty 
[18:21] <captine> sorry, meant for magespawn 
[18:21] <nuvolari> tsk tsk tsk :'(
[18:21] <captine> thanks magespawn .  Dolibarr looks quite nice.  is it based on any of the common ones like compiere etc?
[18:21] <captine> :)
[18:22] <superfly> Congrats captine, how old?
[18:24]  * superfly has #3 arriving in 3.5 weeks
[18:24] <Kilos> oh my, we hold thumbs superfly  
[18:25] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:25] <superfly> Kilos: I'd prefer it if you didn't hold thumbs, otherwise you won't be able to do anything with your hands.
[18:25] <captine> 9 months... and number 2 is arriving in feb....
[18:26] <captine> going to be a tough couple years....
[18:26] <superfly> captine: woohoo! 
[18:26] <superfly> captine: have fun while it lasts
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <superfly> Anyway, I gotta go. Maybe see you folks later
[18:27] <Kilos> ok
[18:27] <magespawn> captine never actually had a look, that one just seemed to do almost everything i could think necessary
[18:28] <magespawn> wow superfly, wow
[18:29] <nuvolari> not the best time for a phone call :-/
[18:29] <nuvolari> sorry
[18:30] <Kilos> np
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: announce meeting agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826
[18:30] <Maaz> Announcement from nuvolari! meeting agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826
[18:30] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:30] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[18:31] <nuvolari> pfft
[18:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[18:31] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone
[18:31] <nuvolari> and welcome to the loyal members
[18:31] <Kilos> charl  captine  login please
[18:31] <nuvolari> lurking in here
[18:31] <Kilos> smile  ^^
[18:32] <smile> hi ;)
[18:32] <smile> meeting? :)
[18:32] <nuvolari> there won't be too much going on tonight
[18:33] <nuvolari> I'm sure it is a busy time for everyone
[18:33] <nuvolari> but let it be known that we appreciate everyone's involvement
[18:33] <nuvolari> no matter how small :)
[18:33] <nuvolari> Do we have any new members?
[18:33] <Kilos> not tonight
[18:33] <nuvolari> that would like to step into the spotlight?
[18:34] <nuvolari> aw, ok
[18:34] <Kilos> you okes didnt rock G+
[18:34] <nuvolari> eish
[18:34] <Kilos> and i didnt tweet
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic welcoming and introduction
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: welcoming and introduction
[18:34] <Kilos> or post reminder in the list
[18:34] <nuvolari> Content precedes the topic
[18:35]  * Kilos apologises
[18:35] <nuvolari> maaz topic: Review previous minutes
[18:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic: Review previous minutes
[18:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[18:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:35] <nuvolari> gosh
[18:35] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:35] <Maaz> charl: Alrighty
[18:35] <nuvolari> ok, the previous minutes are available at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.txt
[18:36] <nuvolari> It was also a quiet meeting with a small attendance
[18:36] <Kilos> yip
[18:37] <Kilos> Maaz  ping inetpro  
[18:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host inetpro
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <captine> Maaz: I am Bradley Putzier
[18:37] <Maaz> captine: Righto
[18:38] <nuvolari> not anything that I want to discuss from the last meeting
[18:38] <nuvolari> the only things of interest is the upcoming releases and SFD
[18:39] <nuvolari> is it OK if I proceed to the next topic?
[18:39] <Kilos> yip
[18:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Releases
[18:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Releases
[18:39] <captine> anyone been testing 14.10?
[18:39] <nuvolari> I saw my machine saying there's a 14.04.1 LTS upgrade from 12.04!
[18:40] <captine> am sticking with 14.04 at the moment.
[18:40] <nuvolari> But I'm leaving on Friday so no use in upgrading now :P
[18:40] <captine> 14.04 is running well for me.
[18:40] <captine> got a colleague at work to replace his XP install with 14.04.  and he seems to be going well with it
[18:40] <nuvolari> I had the horror of working with unity yesterday
[18:40] <nuvolari> I felt like my hands were chopped off
[18:40] <Kilos> 14.04 is quite stable
[18:41] <captine> nuvolari, lol.  I love unity.  Like Gnome 3 too.
[18:41] <captine> :)
[18:41] <Kilos> haha nuvolari  it aint that bad
[18:41] <magespawn> and for me, had some disk thrashing issues with firefox, but otherwise good 
[18:41] <nuvolari> awesome captine! It's always good to hear of people finding alternative OS'es usable
[18:42] <nuvolari> I had a weird issue with that unity which required a restart to fix the problem: the 'g' key started appearing as a subscript h
[18:42] <nuvolari> nothing  I did would fix it :-/
[18:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:43] <nuvolari> but I think it was a 13.10 install
[18:44] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn is up in 2 months
[18:44] <smile> bye :p
[18:45] <Kilos> sleep tight smile  
[18:45] <nuvolari> not sure what I'll use on the new job, but I just hope they'll let me install linux
[18:45] <nuvolari> good bye smile :)
[18:45] <nuvolari> thanks for visiting
[18:45] <nuvolari> anyone running alpha/beta versions?
[18:45] <Kilos> what if its all windows nuvolari  
[18:45] <smile> thanks :) 
[18:46] <nuvolari> Kilos: no way, it won't be. I made sure of that!
[18:46] <nuvolari> my foodie! peer jou nonsens!
[18:47] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:47] <captine> new job?  I am bugging my work to let me run ubuntu.  they have terminal servers for if I need windows for any specific tools
[18:48] <magespawn> i was running 14.04 as alpha until the release
[18:49] <captine> magespawn.... living on the edge :)
[18:49] <magespawn> ah was just a server i played with really
[18:49] <nuvolari> captine: yeah, resigned. I couldn't take it any longer
[18:49] <charl> the alpha was actually really stable, i even ran vmware on it
[18:49] <charl> worked really well
[18:49] <captine> nice
[18:50] <charl> you can run windows inside virtualbox/vmware too if you want
[18:50] <nuvolari> wb oom Kilos 
[18:50] <charl> or some other hypervisor, no need to run windows at work as your host os
[18:50] <nuvolari> the show can continue
[18:50] <Kilos> oi sorry bout that
[18:50] <charl> peer strikes again
[18:50] <pier> whoops, it's registered
[18:51] <pier> wonder how long I'll last
[18:51] <pier> :P
[18:51] <charl> quick, reset everybody's connection before you get reset yourself :P
[18:51] <magespawn> charl, what wiki software do you use, and is it hosted or in house?
[18:51]  * pier resets Kilos
[18:52] <Kilos> my stupid modem disconnected and had to be plugged in to another usb port
[18:52] <Kilos> grrr
[18:52] <pier> oh well, you didn't miss much oom
[18:52] <captine> anyone got a device to try ubuntu touch on?
[18:53] <nuvolari> hmm, does it work with a Samsung Galaxy Nexus?
[18:53] <nuvolari> I'd like to try
[18:53] <captine> i bought a nexus 7 just for it, but they now support the newer model... so i need to work thru some other instructions....  
[18:53] <nuvolari> my nexus became turtle slow 
[18:53] <captine> the nexus phones are the reference ones, but think they moved onto the nexus 4 
[18:53] <captine> now
[18:53] <captine> for phone
[18:53] <nuvolari> oh boo!
[18:53] <captine> i am looking for a nexus
[18:54] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:54] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Software Freedom Day
[18:54] <Maaz> Current Topic: Software Freedom Day
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a Sony Galaxy iPhone
[18:55] <nuvolari> SFD will be on the 20th of September
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think, i don't smartphone good
[18:55] <charl> magespawn: in house, docuwiki
[18:55] <nuvolari> I've seen Karl Fisher's been trying to get some people to talk in GP?
[18:55] <nuvolari> not sure how well that went
[18:55] <nuvolari> or whether he got responses
[18:56] <charl> GP ?
[18:56] <magespawn> ty charl
[18:56] <nuvolari>  http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[18:56] <magespawn> Gauteng
[18:56] <nuvolari> charl: Gauteng
[18:56] <charl> ah :)
[18:56] <nuvolari> not sure where he is exactly (Joburg/Pretora)
[18:57] <charl> sorry slightly OT but i haven't spoken to karl fischer in years, is he still on irc
[18:58] <nuvolari> I don't think so
[18:58] <nuvolari> I can't remember his nick :-/
[18:58] <charl> don't either actually
[18:59] <charl> kmf that was him
[19:00] <charl> (i think)
[19:00] <magespawn> yup kmf, fairly active on twitter and g+
[19:00] <nuvolari> yes!
[19:01] <captine> i have already told my wife that I am heading to pretoria for sfs on 20th
[19:01] <nuvolari> I'll find one in CT
[19:01] <nuvolari> anyone know of events in CT?
[19:01] <captine> think obsidian and some others are talking.  not sure it is very big event, but keen still
[19:01] <Kilos> captine  from korea?
[19:01] <captine> korea?
[19:01] <charl> no man that
[19:01] <Kilos> or i got you mixed up now
[19:01] <charl> that's somebody else
[19:01] <charl> sorry hit enter by mistake
[19:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:02] <charl> that's cantide
[19:02] <charl> Maaz: seen cantide
[19:02] <Maaz> charl: cantide was last seen 12 hours, 26 minutes and 32 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-08-25 23:35:50 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-08-25 23:48:41 PDT
[19:02] <captine> lol.  i used to live in Philippines, but back in SA since june last year
[19:02] <Kilos> aha
[19:03] <Kilos> captine  cantide close enough
[19:03] <Kilos> ty charl  
[19:03] <charl> :)
[19:04] <nuvolari> meh, moving on
[19:04] <nuvolari> Maaz: tech
[19:04] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:05] <nuvolari> er
[19:05] <captine> lol
[19:05] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Tech - new technologies based on FOSS
[19:05] <Maaz> Current Topic: Tech - new technologies based on FOSS
[19:05] <captine> korea pretty close to Philippines, so all good
[19:05] <nuvolari> Anything cool from you guys?
[19:05] <nuvolari> My life's been pretty dull. I apologise
[19:06] <Kilos> LOL
[19:06] <captine> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1561203377/the-stack-box-a-smart-home-controller?ref=nav_search
[19:06]  * nuvolari gets lol'ed at
[19:06] <nuvolari> :'(
[19:06] <captine> anyone watch linuxactionshow?  they have a "runs Linux' section
[19:06] <captine> every week
[19:07] <captine> and a reddit page which is pretty informative.
[19:07] <captine> http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/
[19:09] <charl> first thing caught my attention "VMware Embraces Docker Container Virtualization"
[19:09] <charl> anyone here using docker
[19:09] <captine> charl, i have been playing with it on a vm and on my laptop, but not an expert.
[19:10] <captine> for some reason, still like a full VM.  just need to learn the commands
[19:10] <nuvolari> ooh, pretty neat captine, that stack-box
[19:10] <captine> and figure out how to get the networking bridged for running a database server in a container
[19:11] <captine> nuvolari, it sure looks good.
[19:11] <captine> charl, you tried it?
[19:12] <charl> i've only been looking at it
[19:12] <charl> i'm not yet using it
[19:13] <captine> i am waiting to get some old servers from work, cos at the moment running all on VM's on my mini is a struggle... want to get a proxmox server running to make playing easier
[19:14] <captine> juju is also supporting docker for orchestration i think which is cool
[19:15] <nuvolari> Ok, moving on
[19:15] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:15] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:16]  * nuvolari will be available
[19:16] <Kilos> nuvolari  +
[19:16] <nuvolari> anyone is welcome to chair 
[19:16] <Kilos> ++ as well
[19:17] <Kilos> nuvolari  the job is yours
[19:17] <magespawn> indeed
[19:17] <nuvolari> well, it's only you and me that's left oom Kilos :P
[19:17] <nuvolari> oh and magespawn heh
[19:17] <Kilos> hehe
[19:17] <nuvolari> we'll keep each other company
[19:18] <Kilos> we need to try revive things i think
[19:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed chair for next meeting: Nuvolari
[19:18] <Maaz> Agreed: chair for next meeting: Nuvolari
[19:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next Meeting Date
[19:18] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next Meeting Date
[19:18] <Kilos> a flame war or two might rock the boat a bit
[19:18] <nuvolari> the next meeting date is on the 23rd of September
[19:19] <nuvolari> and... I've created a page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140923
[19:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget about meeting.agenda
[19:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.agenda anyway
[19:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140923
[19:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.agenda
[19:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.agenda
[19:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto
[19:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140923
[19:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: One learns a new thing every day
[19:20] <nuvolari> the next meeting after that will be the 28th of October
[19:20] <captine> this maaz thing is pretty cool.  didnt spend much time on irc in my youth, but find it pretty amazing....
[19:20] <captine> simple things... :)
[19:20] <nuvolari> but let's not get ahead of ourselves
[19:21] <nuvolari> yeah
[19:21] <nuvolari> bots can be pretty helpful
[19:21] <Kilos> captine  its a python bot you can find in the repos
[19:21] <Kilos> ibid
[19:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: expand http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[19:21] <Maaz> nuvolari: That expands to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[19:22] <nuvolari> maaz topic
[19:22] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[19:22] <nuvolari> maaz: topic
[19:22] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[19:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: what is the current topic?
[19:22] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'm afraid I have no idea
[19:22] <nuvolari> useless
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:22] <Kilos> surely closing
[19:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:22] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:22] <nuvolari> Thank you everyone for attending
[19:23] <Kilos> nuvolari  thansk for chairing for us
[19:23] <nuvolari> although where running dry, we're not entirely stalling
[19:23] <Kilos> thanks as well
[19:23] <nuvolari> you're welcome :)
[19:23] <nuvolari> Trying to play my little part
[19:23] <nuvolari> I hope everyone will have a nice evening
[19:24] <nuvolari> and that we all will try to help with some more activity at the next meeting 
[19:24] <nuvolari> ...
[19:24] <charl> thanks nuvolari you too
[19:24] <Kilos> im about ready for bed, its kinda cold here
[19:24] <nuvolari> *cough* *nudge nudge*
[19:24] <charl> lol
[19:24] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:24] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:24] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-08-26-18-30-22.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-08-26-18-30-22.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-08-26-18-30-22.html
[19:25] <Kilos> charl  try find out more about the internet over power lines if you bored
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:26] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow
[19:28] <nuvolari> just like that
[19:28] <nuvolari> night oom kilos
[19:28] <nuvolari> long day tomorrow...
[19:28] <nuvolari> o/ night
[19:30] <captine> night
[19:30] <magespawn> good night Kerbero 
[19:30] <magespawn> whoops
[19:30] <captine> lol
[19:30] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[19:30] <magespawn> too late anyway
[20:07] <magespawn> i am also out of here. good night all