| bluesabre | brainwash: so, what does it mean by versioned help files? | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| brainwash | xfce_dialog_show_help_with_version () | 00:05 |
| brainwash | it's http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-settings/utopic/view/head:/debian/patches/02_versioned-help-files.patch | 00:05 |
| brainwash | once it has been applied upstream we can drop it downstream :) | 00:06 |
| bluesabre | ah, gotcha | 00:07 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, as the other -settings guy, approve? | 00:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: +1 | 00:08 |
| brainwash | can we cleanup the two theme patches somehow? | 00:11 |
| brainwash | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-settings/utopic/files/head:/debian/patches/ | 00:11 |
| brainwash | one is for debian and the second one overrides it once again for (x)ubuntu | 00:12 |
| brainwash | but what are the upstream defaults for ThemeName and IconThemeName? | 00:13 |
| bluesabre | blank, but I think that means Xfce and Rodent, per mr_pouit's comment: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-settings/utopic/view/head:/debian/patches/xubuntu_vanilla-session-themes.patch | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/14.10.5 | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | ^ now in utopic, next builds should build | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | taking a break, bbl | 00:24 |
| brainwash | ah nice | 00:28 |
| brainwash | and I can del https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/tooltip-size | 00:28 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: please change the status of https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740 to fixed | 00:30 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10740 in Settings Manager "Add support for versioned help desktop files" [Normal,New] | 00:30 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: can compton located /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf ? | 00:36 |
| brainwash | locate | 00:36 |
| Unit193 | Aha, that makes more sense. compton uses xdg_config_dirs. | 00:36 |
| brainwash | so.. it works? | 00:37 |
| Unit193 | Not tested it, but I'd say so. | 00:38 |
| brainwash | even with the missing . ? | 00:38 |
| brainwash | should be a hidden config file I think | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | Why? It's not in ~/ | 00:39 |
| brainwash | ok | 00:40 |
| brainwash | I had the skel scheme in mind | 00:40 |
| Unit193 | https://github.com/chjj/compton/blob/master/src/compton.c#L5255 | 00:40 |
| Unit193 | const static char *config_filename = "/compton.conf"; | 00:41 |
| brainwash | yea | 00:42 |
| Unit193 | (I link to it because you should be able to read it far better than me. :) ) | 00:42 |
| brainwash | so the next question is: does utopic still ship an outdated version of compton? | 00:44 |
| Unit193 | Beta2, IIRC. | 00:44 |
| Unit193 | !info compton utopic | 00:44 |
| ubottu | compton (source: compton): compositor for X11, based on xcompmgr. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1~beta2-1 (utopic), package size 97 kB, installed size 243 kB | 00:44 |
| brainwash | 2013-11-04 | 00:45 |
| brainwash | old stuff | 00:45 |
| brainwash | :/ | 00:45 |
| Unit193 | Latest tagged. We still aren't seeding it, just some handy config in case users want to use it. | 00:45 |
| brainwash | right, having a nice config helps | 00:46 |
| brainwash | but the user still has to deal with the outdated version of compton | 00:46 |
| brainwash | in case we recommend it | 00:46 |
| brainwash | recommend to try it -> tear free | 00:47 |
| * Unit193 shrugs, no newer releases. | 00:47 | |
| brainwash | oh man, someone wants the fix for bug 1310264 to be backported to trusty | 00:49 |
| ubottu | bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 | 00:49 |
| brainwash | can we do it? | 00:50 |
| Unit193 | He can do it, but that's a backport of a UI change, soo. | 00:50 |
| brainwash | indeed, it's a ui change | 00:51 |
| brainwash | so the answer is NO | 00:53 |
| elfy | bluesabre: thanks :) | 06:34 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: any plans to sru/backport bug 1310264 to trusty? if no, then we should unlink the report from the 14.04.x blueprint | 07:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 | 07:22 |
| brainwash | it's just a minimal ui change after all | 07:23 |
| brainwash | the now visible "settings" submenu entry | 07:24 |
| elfy | ochosi: I asked in -release for a build of xubuntu, off out for the day - if you get chance could you do the same at some point | 07:26 |
| ochosi | elfy: sure thing, thanks! | 07:46 |
| ochosi | and thanks for updating the folks on the ML | 07:50 |
| === torstehu_ is now known as torstehu | ||
| Unit193 | ochosi: I see you hiding, https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce will have something for you in a minute. | 08:52 |
| ochosi | Unit193: a-ha a-ha, what is it? | 09:17 |
| ochosi | ah, the dashboard? | 09:17 |
| Unit193 | Nothing new, and yeah, the only one that was built today. :D | 09:18 |
| ochosi | have you tested it? | 09:19 |
| Unit193 | Test built. :P | 09:21 |
| ochosi | righty, i just tested it, it works ok | 09:21 |
| ochosi | i'll copy it over | 09:21 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 09:21 |
| Unit193 | Sure thing, doc. | 09:22 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering btw whether we should drop the saucy versions that we still have | 09:22 |
| ochosi | since it's EOL and all | 09:22 |
| Unit193 | Outdated and can't be updated? I've been resisting nagging you and Sean about removing it, yeah. | 09:23 |
| ochosi | done | 09:24 |
| Unit193 | Danke. | 09:25 |
| ochosi | well thank you | 09:26 |
| ochosi | i guess we should write a blog post about that PPA | 09:26 |
| Unit193 | (FWIW, Sean has access to the git repo hosting it too, in case I'm busy, in the hospital, dead, etc, etc.) | 09:27 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 09:27 |
| ochosi | righty | 09:27 |
| ochosi | good to know, let's hope it doesn't come to any of that (incl. you being busy ;)) | 09:27 |
| Unit193 | Meh, hospital would actually mean less busy. When I was in last I'm pretty sure I got a chance to update a couple packages. :P | 09:29 |
| ochosi | hehe | 09:29 |
| Unit193 | By the looks of it, the PPA is fairly used. | 09:29 |
| ochosi | what looks? | 09:29 |
| ochosi | (have they introduced lp statistics and i didn't notice?) | 09:29 |
| === soren_ is now known as soren | ||
| brainwash | gdmflexiserver is gone in 14.04, but xfswitch-plugin and the panel action buttons still require it | 09:36 |
| brainwash | bug 1320560 | 09:36 |
| ubottu | bug 1320560 in xfswitch-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfswitch-plugin refuses to switch user" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 | 09:36 |
| brainwash | we could install a wrapper to mimic gdmflexiserver | 09:37 |
| brainwash | see comment #4 | 09:37 |
| brainwash | fixing the actual source would be the better option, but can we just go gdmflexiserver -> dm-tool? | 09:38 |
| brainwash | dm-tool is lightdm only | 09:38 |
| brainwash | (I think) | 09:39 |
| brainwash | xscreensaver should be also affected | 09:40 |
| brainwash | if you click on "new login" while it locks the screen | 09:41 |
| ochosi | the thing is that if gnome2 had really gone away, we could just drop and forget about gdmflexiserver | 09:51 |
| ochosi | but now that there are forks of it that seem to stick around for now, alternatives to lightdm can still easily be used outside of gnome | 09:52 |
| ochosi | (from what i understand, the new gdm is tightly integrated in gnome3, so it's not as easy anymore to use that with a different DE) | 09:52 |
| brainwash | the problem is that there has to be some sort of script for user switching via display manager | 09:54 |
| brainwash | I'm not sure if we can just hardcode dm-tool | 09:55 |
| * ochosi replied | 09:55 | |
| brainwash | I see | 09:56 |
| ochosi | i guess the really best way to fix this would be to implement display-manager awareness in xfce4-session | 09:56 |
| ochosi | and then just provide a commandline switch for that, so that e.g. panel-plugins can safely use that | 09:56 |
| brainwash | yes, this could be done via a "simple" bash script | 09:57 |
| brainwash | like xflock4 | 09:57 |
| ochosi | implementing this sort of DM detection in every other place is silly | 09:57 |
| ochosi | gdmflexiserver was such a "simple" bash script iirc | 09:57 |
| brainwash | indeed | 09:57 |
| ochosi | despite its name it worked fine with other DMs than gdm | 09:57 |
| ochosi | (like the "flexi" part implies) | 09:57 |
| brainwash | that's the reason I don't like hardcoding dm-tool into the code | 09:57 |
| ochosi | i think for ubuntu it's ok | 09:58 |
| brainwash | I think so too | 09:58 |
| ochosi | i suggest you prep the patch since you already figured out everything | 09:58 |
| brainwash | ok | 09:59 |
| ochosi | maybe bluesabre can push it (whenever he's back online) | 09:59 |
| brainwash | xscreensaver is also affected, not sure about that one? just submit a patch and hope for the best? | 10:00 |
| brainwash | ah bug 1309917 | 10:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1309917 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Unable to switch login at xscreensaver lock screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309917 | 10:01 |
| brainwash | the maintainer already replied | 10:01 |
| brainwash | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/xscreensaver.git/tree/debian/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh | 10:02 |
| brainwash | ^ :D | 10:02 |
| ochosi | well the same goes for xscreensaver in fact | 10:03 |
| ochosi | patching it in ubuntu is the okay-shortcut for now | 10:03 |
| ochosi | wb bluesabre | 11:03 |
| bluesabre | what'd I miss? | 11:04 |
| ochosi | one sec | 11:04 |
| ochosi | brainwash talked about this bug and i commented and if he comes up with a patch, he'll get in touch with you https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 | 11:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1320560 in xfswitch-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfswitch-plugin refuses to switch user" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:05 |
| ochosi | oh, and i asked in -release for a rebuild of our image | 11:05 |
| ochosi | but no response so far, stgraber seems to be afk | 11:05 |
| brainwash | and you missed to close https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740 :P | 11:06 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10740 in Settings Manager "Add support for versioned help desktop files" [Normal,New] | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: not a bug admin for xfce4-settings, can't close it | 11:06 |
| brainwash | but you can commit to trunk.. strange | 11:07 |
| bluesabre | two separate sites :) | 11:07 |
| ochosi | done | 11:07 |
| brainwash | ochosi: thank you | 11:07 |
| ochosi | np | 11:07 |
| bluesabre | re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1310264 its a UI change, so nope | 11:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Fix released] | 11:08 |
| ochosi | (and it's easy enough for single users to fix themselves) | 11:08 |
| brainwash | can't this ui change be considered a bug fix? | 11:08 |
| ochosi | someone could write a blog post for xu.org about how to fix it though | 11:09 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 11:10 |
| brainwash | if the user has already messed with the menu file (menulibre), then he still won't be able to find the hidden entries | 11:11 |
| bluesabre | yup | 11:11 |
| brainwash | ok then | 11:12 |
| bluesabre | its still a pretty minor issue | 11:13 |
| ochosi | +1 | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: are we waiting for tonight to get our iso spun, or are we requesting an early respin? | 11:14 |
| brainwash | for advanced users it is, but new xubuntu users are getting confused by the missing entries | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | new users couldn't find menu items in the last menu either though... they still had to click on the settings manager icon | 11:14 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i asked for a respin asap, but we'll see when it really happens... | 11:15 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: cool, thanks | 11:15 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: yeah, but now we do offer the search functionality of whiskermenu, and people expect to find everything with it :) | 11:16 |
| ochosi | they won't find files with it | 11:16 |
| ochosi | anyway, let it go | 11:16 |
| brainwash | hehe, I've already unlinked it from the 14.04.1 blueprint | 11:17 |
| ochosi | good | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | speaking of which | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | do we want to add the catfish shortcut? | 11:18 |
| ochosi | yup, that'd be nice | 11:19 |
| bluesabre | and what would be a good one? | 11:19 |
| brainwash | a general keyboard shortcut? | 11:19 |
| brainwash | global | 11:20 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: problem is "locate" or "find" might be ambiguous | 11:20 |
| bluesabre | as in, type into whiskermenu "find donuts" and catfish loads and immediately starts to search | 11:20 |
| ochosi | and "search" doesn't really cut it imo | 11:20 |
| bluesabre | though it might be more interested in worms or grubs | 11:21 |
| ochosi | maybe "ok catfish" | 11:21 |
| ochosi | ah well, let's go for "find". makes the most sense | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: if you're running utopic and have catfish 1.2... like this: http://i.imgur.com/rCFuosC.png | 11:23 |
| brainwash | makes sense to add something like that | 11:25 |
| brainwash | "!f" would be too simple / not obvious enough, right? | 11:26 |
| ochosi | i think it might not be very discoverable either way, but "find" makes it sound very natural | 11:27 |
| elfy | asked -release re beta build again | 11:27 |
| ochosi | and people who frequently use it can change the shortcut easily | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | elfy: thanks | 11:28 |
| ochosi | elfy: i pinged stgraber earlier, but he doesn't seem to be about | 11:28 |
| elfy | bluesabre: as far as you know there's nothing else that would stop it building? | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | that's the only thing | 11:28 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea - I think he's -5 or 6 hours | 11:29 |
| bluesabre | if it fails this time, I'd be shocked | 11:29 |
| elfy | why there's only one person who can get the build running I don't know - but I bet it'd get done for ubuntu earlier | 11:30 |
| ochosi | possible | 11:30 |
| elfy | ochosi: so you got any plans/idea for what we should do if the respin is late tonight - given that release is supposed to be tomorrow? | 11:36 |
| elfy | knome was talking yesterday about releasing late - I'm not worried if we do or don't | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | I'll do as much iso testing as I am able tonight | 11:38 |
| elfy | bluesabre: yea - that relies on us gettting something to test :) | 11:39 |
| bluesabre | yup | 11:39 |
| elfy | I'll not be able to do hardware tests in time for tomorrow, be vm only | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | I get home when canonical starts going to bed, so I should be in the clear | 11:40 |
| elfy | :) | 11:40 |
| elfy | stgraber appeared mid-afternoon my time yesterday, would guess same today | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: want to draft the release notes today, or is that usually somebody else? | 11:41 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure we have a definitive person who is responsible for the release notes | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | (and then I can review and add things tonight) | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | I see | 11:42 |
| ochosi | actually it might be good if >1 people could work on it | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 11:42 |
| ochosi | otherwise things might be overlooked | 11:42 |
| elfy | nope - generally it was knome and me previously - better to whack it on a pad or something so everyone can get to it | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | good idea | 11:43 |
| ochosi | http://pad.ubuntu.com/S030Pt7VHy | 11:43 |
| elfy | previoulsy we've mostly built it off of old ones | 11:43 |
| ochosi | yeah, feel free to paste in a skeleton | 11:43 |
| elfy | bbl | 11:47 |
| brainwash | Unit193: are you going to re-include 02-remove-unused-maximize-button.patch (xfwm4, not applied upstream) | 11:50 |
| brainwash | not sure if you've already answered this question | 11:51 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, elfy: i gotta run now, but i'll look at the release notes again a little later in the day | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | ok, I'm just adding notes for now which can be used to put things together | 11:52 |
| ochosi | yup, sounds good | 11:52 |
| ochosi | ttyl | 11:52 |
| Unit193 | Don't know why I thought it was no longer needed, I normally check those well. I would since it's my mistake, but it is easier for Sean. Anyway, if not I'll get to it a bit later today. | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: you know where to find such tools... how can I search for what I've uploaded to utopic? | 11:58 |
| brainwash | Unit193: alright | 11:59 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Sorry. | 11:59 |
| brainwash | nobody would have noticed it :P | 11:59 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: And I know how to find what packages have been sponsored for you, but not what you've uploaded since I can't do that. | 12:01 |
| bluesabre | ah, gotcha | 12:01 |
| bluesabre | I think I've got nearly everything on the pad now | 12:01 |
| bluesabre | feel free to add notes for the packages if there is anything that makes them special :) | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 12:08 |
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| Unit193 | bluesabre: If you want to grab+edit or whatever, it's uploaded. | 13:22 |
| === Punna is now known as Pwnna | ||
| brainwash | anyone here using a dual monitor setup? if yes, please check if pkexec also triggers bug 152855 | 14:13 |
| ubottu | bug 152855 in gksu (Ubuntu) "gksu dialog box hangs when xfce compositing is on" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152855 | 14:13 |
| brainwash | ancient bug :/ | 14:14 |
| elfy | Unit193: I suppose we need to get a core wiki page sorted for core rather than your one | 14:20 |
| ochosi | elfy: rebuild kicked off by stgraber | 14:20 |
| elfy | saw - didn't realise we could do that when there's not one there at all | 14:22 |
| elfy | ochosi: we couldn't have done that, nothing to select to rebuild on the beta page | 14:23 |
| ochosi | so a question of rights then i guess | 14:23 |
| elfy | you have them I think | 14:23 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds | 14:23 |
| elfy | that's the dailies - once you've logged in do you see what I see? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-270814-152435.php | 14:24 |
| elfy | eg the admin bit at the bottom? | 14:24 |
| elfy | Unit193: - draft xubuntu minimal page on xubuntu.org done | 14:28 |
| elfy | ochosi: did a bit with the beta pad too | 14:33 |
| elfy | and ... we've got some images to test now :p | 14:53 |
| slickymasterWork | yeaps :) | 14:54 |
| * slickymasterWork will comply with what is promised | 14:54 | |
| elfy | knome: not sure who can access the social stuff - but if you can, can you get beta testing on there | 15:34 |
| * elfy vaguely remembers pleia2 being afk | 15:34 | |
| slickymasterWork | brainwash: you mean in relation to the at-spi2-core (Ubuntu) package? | 15:43 |
| elfy | paulw2u appears on the tracker - that's one I can generally rely on to turn up :) | 15:49 |
| elfy | ochosi Unit193 - core is now available on the tracker for testing | 17:25 |
| pleia2 | elfy: done | 17:37 |
| elfy | pleia2: awesome thanks - wasn't sure if you were about or not :) | 17:38 |
| pleia2 | chaos day, have work and flight later :) | 17:38 |
| elfy | :) | 17:38 |
| * elfy had that for a while - 2 machines doing b tests - coudln't remember which was doing 32 and which 64 :p | 17:39 | |
| * elfy wanders away from the tracker now | 17:42 | |
| pleia2 | hehe | 17:42 |
| elfy | I'm just glad we don't have alternates to test ;) | 17:43 |
| ochosi | elfy: i'm around now | 17:56 |
| ochosi | nope, i don't see that admin bit there | 17:58 |
| ochosi | oh, indeed, now i see it | 17:59 |
| ochosi | weird, when removing the filters (before i saw all products) it suddenly appeared | 17:59 |
| ochosi | wasn't there before | 17:59 |
| ochosi | that's actually quite handy that we can respin ourselves now | 18:00 |
| elfy | ok - cool, so to request a rebuild for 64 say, select the box next to it - then in the bottom request it :) | 18:00 |
| elfy | when we're ready to release - select then mark as ready | 18:00 |
| elfy | back in an hour ish | 18:01 |
| elfy | just don't practise today :p | 18:02 |
| ochosi | hehe | 18:02 |
| ochosi | ok | 18:02 |
| ochosi | ttyl | 18:02 |
| Unit193 | Dang man, we have a lot of hardly started languages in the docs. Just checked, each and every one of them validates still. \o/ | 18:49 |
| elfy | ochosi: back for a bit if you need anything | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Hellos. | 19:10 |
| elfy | hi Unit193 | 19:12 |
| elfy | wb Luyin :) | 19:28 |
| Luyin | thx elfy | 19:29 |
| Luyin | I'm just trying to find my way through all these websites | 19:29 |
| elfy | Luyin: if you've got time and can do a test install - vm's fine - we're testing the beta right now | 19:29 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/322/builds | 19:30 |
| brainwash | elfy: this error bug 1359439 ? | 19:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1359439 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "[ 7.287663] systemd-logind[1057]: Failed to start unit user@126.service: Unknown unit: user@126.service" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359439 | 19:31 |
| brainwash | most likely | 19:33 |
| Luyin | ok, I'm on it elfy | 19:33 |
| Luyin | just give me a sec to find myself around there | 19:33 |
| elfy | ok ... so that's random brainwash - what are you talking about :) | 19:33 |
| elfy | Luyin: okey doke - I'm about for a while if you need anything | 19:33 |
| brainwash | elfy: your report "mage fails to start try/install screen" :P | 19:33 |
| brainwash | Image | 19:33 |
| elfy | oic - that makes more sense now :) | 19:34 |
| Luyin | elfy: the xubuntu desktop at the bottom of the page? | 19:34 |
| elfy | possible - I'm not that worried about it tbh brainwash - more likely to be sorted by a ubuntu type person | 19:34 |
| elfy | Luyin: yep :) | 19:35 |
| Luyin | ok, which one? or just both? | 19:35 |
| elfy | Luyin: there are 5 tests in each - choose one arch and go for it :) | 19:35 |
| Luyin | okay, I'll take the 64bit one | 19:35 |
| elfy | anything that you do will have my gratitude :) | 19:36 |
| Luyin | hehe | 19:36 |
| * elfy wonders what lxpolkit actually is and if it's what it sounds like whether we could have similar | 19:37 | |
| brainwash | that's a random thought | 19:38 |
| elfy | not *completely* random - saw mention of it in -quality :p | 19:39 |
| brainwash | we already use gnome's polkit auth agent I think | 19:39 |
| elfy | aah - okey doke - just wondering :) | 19:40 |
| Luyin | elfy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough here it says one should get the iso via TestDrive, but I'm downloading it via browser atm, is that correct? | 19:40 |
| brainwash | elfy: yes, it's policykit-1-gnome | 19:40 |
| elfy | Luyin: you can use testdrive - but if you know you're way around a vm then it's not really needed - and in that case download however you want | 19:40 |
| Luyin | okay ^^ | 19:41 |
| * Unit193 ponders why it'd say to use testdrive. | 19:41 | |
| brainwash | elfy: luckily we don't hate gnome as much as LXDE does :) | 19:41 |
| elfy | Luyin: once you've got it - you can use zsync to update it if you want to not download the whole thing everytime - depends who long between test | 19:41 |
| elfy | Unit193: check the wiki page last edited by ;) | 19:42 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I didn't have to. | 19:42 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 19:42 |
| * elfy has no idea what testdrive even looks like | 19:42 | |
| Unit193 | Erm, requirements? Well then. | 19:43 |
| elfy | :) | 19:43 |
| Unit193 | Guess we don't support qemu, kvm, or VMware's. | 19:44 |
| elfy | if I was interested enough I could rip that up and start again | 19:44 |
| Luyin | hmm, seems my virtualbox is only able to run 32bit kernels. | 19:46 |
| elfy | do 32 bit then :) | 19:47 |
| elfy | brainwash: thanks | 19:48 |
| Luyin | ok, it's getting interesting :D | 20:02 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I presume you didn't see my question the other day. Utopic seem a bit slower to you than Trusty? | 20:03 |
| elfy | Unit193: nope didn't notice that - sorry. It *seems* a bit slower sometimes if I've booted systemd | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | Hrm. | 20:04 |
| elfy | but generally I don't notice much with upstart | 20:04 |
| elfy | unless I've been using vbox - then everything seems a lot slower than it did using it in trusty or saucy | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | systemd 214 vs systemd 214, seems to hang a couple seconds at times. | 20:06 |
| brainwash | 214? | 20:07 |
| Luyin | elfy: I've got a question about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware this. it says one should edit the top table – but there's no button or similar to click where I can edit anything. or am I missing something? | 20:10 |
| Luyin | and something else: I chose the "manual partition"-version for testing. so I guess I'm allowed to partition myself in order to finish the test? | 20:11 |
| elfy | Luyin: none of that's really all that important tbh /Hardware | 20:11 |
| elfy | yep - you can choose the partitions yourself for that test | 20:12 |
| elfy | I tend to do it in this order, but then I tend to do the whole lot - whole disk, resize, then manual on one of the resized partitions | 20:13 |
| Luyin | you're kidding? when I help, I'm doing it thoroughly :P | 20:13 |
| elfy | Luyin: you won't see me on that list and I've been doing this for years | 20:13 |
| Luyin | okay, lol | 20:13 |
| elfy | you'll not find balloons on there either and he's the Canonical Community QA guy | 20:14 |
| elfy | so - you can do it if you want - but quite frankly - getting more than a couple of people testing is a LOT more important to me :) | 20:14 |
| Luyin | hehe okay | 20:15 |
| * elfy really should write a more detailed QA procedure for us rather than have to send people to ubuntu pages and then it not be *quite* what we want | 20:16 | |
| Unit193 | brainwash: What about it? | 20:18 |
| brainwash | Unit193: ubuntu is stuck with 208, isn't it? | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | elfy: "core is now available on the tracker for testing" does that mean do it right now? | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Yep, in utopic at least, FF and all. | 20:19 |
| brainwash | still don't like to boot with systemd.. it feels like voodo magic :) | 20:20 |
| elfy | Unit193: no - I was just letting you and ochosi know where we are :) | 20:20 |
| elfy | there's not much chance of me asking anyone to do that right at the moment :p | 20:20 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Heh, yeeeah. I'm not sure if I like it or greatly dislike it, it's hard to tell as some of the features are nice, and some really bad. | 20:20 |
| Unit193 | elfy: OK, great then! | 20:20 |
| brainwash | Unit193: exactly | 20:21 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: systemd-analyze, the information it keeps per service, and some of that is dang nice, others not so much. | 20:21 |
| elfy | I wish I got the desktop as quickly as systemd says it takes :p | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | Hah. :P | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Try 214! :P | 20:33 |
| elfy | I think I boot to desktop in about 40-50s | 20:33 |
| elfy | systemd ~25s | 20:34 |
| elfy | Unit193: did you look at the core draft on xubuntu.org yet? | 20:35 |
| elfy | need to get that sorted before we call | 20:35 |
| elfy | though I could do it in the mail if necessary | 20:35 |
| knome | re: release notes, i think the release team should generally take the lead on that, especially since the current setup is (by design): project lead, one person who's on top of development, one person who's on top of QA/testing/Bugs | 20:37 |
| knome | elfy, i can do twitter.. | 20:37 |
| elfy | ta | 20:38 |
| knome | what do you want in there? probably a certain mail mentioned? | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Oh, we even want to mention the second one? OK, works for me. Seems to be about what I wrote up too. Perhaps it'd be useful to link to http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/appendix-packages.html ? | 20:38 |
| knome | oh, hmm, somebody tweeted | 20:38 |
| elfy | knome: pleia2 did do something though - not checked what yet | 20:38 |
| elfy | Unit193: it was a draft - I just copied what you wrote in yours and tacked on testing :p | 20:39 |
| knome | yep, she's definitely tweeted 3h ago | 20:39 |
| elfy | cool - thanks knome | 20:39 |
| knome | np | 20:39 |
| knome | we definitely need to involve the "other" social media admins more on this channel | 20:40 |
| elfy | Unit193: yea - agreed to adding that to the page | 20:40 |
| knome | we have *at least* pleia2 + 1 other person on each outlet | 20:40 |
| elfy | knome: I'm glad that doesn't involve me :p | 20:40 |
| ochosi | elfy: why do the release notes say "xfwm4 4.12"? | 20:40 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Right, sounds good to me. Figured it might be, kind of wrote it last cycle precisely for xubuntu-core. | 20:40 |
| knome | elfy, heh, well it should make your work easier :) | 20:40 |
| elfy | ochosi: was just picking up information from bluesabre's list | 20:41 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I have no idea if you're interested, but you are not identified. | 20:41 |
| ochosi | elfy: says 4.11.2 there though :) | 20:41 |
| ochosi | Unit193: ah, thanks | 20:41 |
| elfy | fat finger syndrome then I suspect ochosi :) | 20:41 |
| ochosi | lol | 20:42 |
| elfy | ochosi: and are we just going to do a release announcement or both? | 20:42 |
| knome | elfy, holstein is an admin of the FB group.. | 20:42 |
| ochosi | elfy: both? | 20:42 |
| elfy | knome: orite - useful to know :) | 20:43 |
| knome | yep, will ask him to join this channel the next time i see him active (and remember) | 20:43 |
| elfy | ochosi: suits me - but I'll not be about morning tomorrow | 20:43 |
| elfy | knome: he is now | 20:43 |
| ochosi | elfy: no, my question was what do you mean with a release announcement *or both* ? | 20:44 |
| elfy | lol - sorry - announcement is on xubuntu.org release notes are on ubuntu wiki | 20:44 |
| ochosi | oh right | 20:44 |
| ochosi | well i'd probably do both | 20:44 |
| elfy | ok - well I'll ensure that the wiki one is ok by tomorrow afternoon | 20:45 |
| knome | announcement has generally been the non-technical one, notes the more technical one; and usually useful for anything else than point releases at least | 20:45 |
| elfy | wb boss :p | 20:46 |
| elfy | knome: yep | 20:46 |
| ochosi | knome: if you wanna help us move along a bit, that'd be much appreciated: http://pad.ubuntu.com/S030Pt7VHy | 20:48 |
| knome | hrrhrr | 20:50 |
| knome | what are we drafting? the notes or the announcement or both? | 20:52 |
| ochosi | i guess both | 20:54 |
| ochosi | bluesabre started by listing app updates | 20:55 |
| ochosi | and elfy added a skeleton | 20:55 |
| ochosi | not sure what for though tbh :) | 20:55 |
| elfy | I'll not bother again then | 20:55 |
| knome | lol | 20:56 |
| knome | that skeleton is okay though :P | 20:56 |
| ochosi | elfy: why? i think it's nice, i'm just not experienced enough with this stuff :) | 20:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: well basically it's a whole lot easier doing it before by a day than by 5 minutes ... | 20:58 |
| ochosi | right, i guess so | 20:58 |
| ochosi | what the heck, bluebrain?? | 21:01 |
| Luyin | puh, finally, test is nearly done | 21:01 |
| elfy | Luyin: \o/ | 21:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi: that's me... surprise | 21:02 |
| knome | ochosi, watch your language, sir :P | 21:02 |
| * ochosi will remember to never say "bluebrain" again to an old lady | 21:03 | |
| Luyin | ok, test passed. and I'm off to bed ;) | 21:03 |
| brainwash | Luyin: good night | 21:03 |
| elfy | Luyin: don't forget to report it ;) | 21:04 |
| elfy | and thanks :) | 21:04 |
| Luyin | elfy: done ;) good night to all of you! | 21:05 |
| elfy | night :) | 21:05 |
| Luyin | elfy: might do the next one tomorrow evening if I can make it | 21:05 |
| knome | night and thanks Luyin | 21:07 |
| elfy | Luyin: if we've had sufficient results by then we'll be marking it ready - so no testing, but dailies will start again until the next beta | 21:07 |
| Luyin | yw | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | bluebrain? | 21:08 |
| elfy | we've done that :p | 21:08 |
| elfy | Unit193: I added that table link - and I removed the second command line install bit | 21:09 |
| elfy | the testcase is just the first | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | OK, whatever works best for you. | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | Sounds good though. | 21:09 |
| elfy | oooh - didn't know alt-tab is clickable ... | 21:11 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm, nice shiny alt+tab from ochosi, been using it since slightly before trusty was released. | 21:12 |
| Unit193 | (PPA I made, of course.) | 21:12 |
| knome | elfy, i'm waiting you to bombard the known issues section :P | 21:15 |
| elfy | I've not noticed very much to be honest - certainly not much in the way of Xubuntu specific stuff we need to make people aware off | 21:16 |
| elfy | which is the result of hardly any reporting of tests | 21:16 |
| knome | boo | 21:17 |
| ochosi | or a very stable beta ;) | 21:17 |
| Unit193 | FWIW, I think more of us are activly using utopic than before. | 21:17 |
| knome | do we carry bugs from 14.04 release? | 21:17 |
| ochosi | +1 | 21:17 |
| ochosi | and we've been trying to sort most pressing bugs in 14.04.1 | 21:17 |
| ochosi | (and the indicators haven't changed their API [yet]) | 21:18 |
| Unit193 | Hah, no that waits until after FF. | 21:18 |
| brainwash | and wait until xorg 1.16 lands (FFe) | 21:18 |
| Unit193 | elfy: At least this is earlier than I normally update, and I've moved 3 computers (netbook counts, right?) to utopic. It's more of a daily/weekly use than a "report test complete" type of thing though. | 21:19 |
| elfy | there is 1 bug reported against xubuntu and utopic bug 1330171 that I can find | 21:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1330171 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "4th slide become much bigger therefore some buttons become unvisible on following slides" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1330171 | 21:19 |
| elfy | hardly worth noting ;) | 21:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, slideshow hasn't even been updated yet | 21:19 |
| elfy | Unit193: yea - cadence/exploratory testing - that's fine, if you happen to use something - check the package testcase | 21:20 |
| elfy | ochosi: yep | 21:20 |
| knome | elfy, taking on that bug. | 21:23 |
| elfy | right I've got to go - I'll catch up in the morning - night all | 21:34 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 21:34 |
| knome | night elfy, and thanks :) | 21:35 |
| ochosi | night elfy and thanks for your help! | 21:35 |
| elfy | ochosi knome - in the pad I linked to the minimal install draft on xubuntu.org - it's only a simple page - be good to publish that asap - I'll be calling for testing as soon as beta is released | 21:36 |
| elfy | anyway - night :) | 21:36 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Pingalinga? | 21:53 |
| knome | time to go to bed. nighty! | 22:15 |
| ochosi | night knome | 22:22 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Why you no MOTU?? I need one! :P | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: D: | 23:16 |
| ochosi | hey bluesabre | 23:21 |
| ochosi | might wanna give the release notes a read | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | looking over them now | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | er, was | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | now disconnected | 23:22 |
| * bluesabre searches for link | 23:22 | |
| bluesabre | and I'm back | 23:22 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: So, what'd you decide on the xfpm-plugins/lxpanel stuff? Going to mirror for the daily ppa, and also wondering how you resolved it. :D | 23:22 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: also, xfwm that contains brainwash's patch is in the normal place, if you want to look and decide if you like it. | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | Aren't we unable to resolve until lxpanel hits the archive? | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | Sure, but still have to fix the hard dep on xfce4-panel. | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | oh right | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | :D | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | aaaand, brainwash's patch..? | 23:24 |
| Unit193 | From before, no maximize if no maximize. | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | :D | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | oh right | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: no known issues, yet? | 23:28 |
| ochosi | yup | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | and maybe add a note with the xchat removal "If you need to reach the Xubuntu team, go to xubuntu.org/irc"? | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | or smth | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | maybe not | 23:29 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:29 |
| ochosi | well, or use pidgin ;) | 23:29 |
| ochosi | btw, apt-offline doesn't really seem to be such a terribly new version | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | /kban ochosi no | 23:29 |
| ochosi | or maybe i misread, but it seemed like nothing spectacular was going on there | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: well, the difference is that it actually works now | 23:30 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: The point is, it works whereas trusty doesn't. | 23:30 |
| ochosi | oh | 23:30 |
| ochosi | list that in bug fixes then please | 23:30 |
| * bluesabre assigns to Unit193 | 23:30 | |
| ochosi | Unit193: http://pad.ubuntu.com/S030Pt7VHy | 23:30 |
| Unit193 | Actually a bit busy, but sure later. | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | k | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: how long are you around? | 23:30 |
| ochosi | not very much longer | 23:31 |
| ochosi | why, what's up? | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | stick around for a few, I can actually test xfpm now | 23:31 |
| ochosi | ah | 23:31 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | ok | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | unknown state is now a dead mouse | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | which is better | 23:33 |
| ochosi | dead mouse? | 23:34 |
| ochosi | you mean with an empty progressbar | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | yes | 23:34 |
| ochosi | ok | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | 1px red tick at the bottom | 23:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's the minimum load | 23:34 |
| ochosi | i didn't want it to ever be actually just empty | 23:35 |
| ochosi | otherwise ppl might wonder what that is | 23:35 |
| bluesabre | right, makes sense | 23:35 |
| bluesabre | awesome, we already have 5/5 on both arch | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | good job guys! | 23:36 |
| ochosi | http://dpaste.com/11E7FJJ | 23:37 |
| ochosi | apply that pls ^ | 23:37 |
| ochosi | and if that works, i'll reward you with a blue (?) hovering on top of your mouse ;) | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | building now | 23:44 |
| bluesabre | prefix=/usr, right? | 23:44 |
| Unit193 | Naaaah, /libexec/usr/ | 23:45 |
| ochosi | yup | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | :---D | 23:45 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8163876/ | 23:47 |
| ochosi | argh | 23:47 |
| ochosi | typo | 23:47 |
| ochosi | UNKNOWN | 23:47 |
| ochosi | not UKNOWN | 23:47 |
| bluesabre | argh! | 23:47 |
| bluesabre | fixed typo, looks the same | 23:50 |
| ochosi | right, that's what i was afraid would happen :s | 23:50 |
| ochosi | somehow that check doesn't work | 23:50 |
| ochosi | and i don't get why | 23:50 |
| ochosi | since i can't debug, mind to add a debug message there and print the state? | 23:52 |
| ochosi | iirc 0 is UNKNOWN | 23:53 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: any idea where to see g_prints for panel plugins? | 23:55 |
| ochosi | yeah, you have to start the panel with debug mode | 23:55 |
| ochosi | one sec | 23:55 |
| ochosi | PANEL_DEBUG=1 xfce4-panel | 23:56 |
| bluesabre | ok, next question, what do you use for printing debug msgs? | 23:58 |
| bluesabre | g_print goes to the void | 23:58 |
| ochosi | g_warning usually | 23:58 |
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