[00:03] brainwash: so, what does it mean by versioned help files? [00:05] xfce_dialog_show_help_with_version () [00:05] it's http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-settings/utopic/view/head:/debian/patches/02_versioned-help-files.patch [00:06] once it has been applied upstream we can drop it downstream :) [00:07] ah, gotcha [00:07] ochosi, as the other -settings guy, approve? [00:08] bluesabre: +1 [00:11] can we cleanup the two theme patches somehow? [00:11] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-settings/utopic/files/head:/debian/patches/ [00:12] one is for debian and the second one overrides it once again for (x)ubuntu [00:13] but what are the upstream defaults for ThemeName and IconThemeName? [00:22] blank, but I think that means Xfce and Rodent, per mr_pouit's comment: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-settings/utopic/view/head:/debian/patches/xubuntu_vanilla-session-themes.patch [00:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/14.10.5 [00:24] ^ now in utopic, next builds should build [00:24] taking a break, bbl [00:28] ah nice [00:28] and I can del https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/tooltip-size [00:30] bluesabre: please change the status of https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740 to fixed [00:30] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10740 in Settings Manager "Add support for versioned help desktop files" [Normal,New] [00:36] bluesabre: can compton located /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf ? [00:36] locate [00:36] Aha, that makes more sense. compton uses xdg_config_dirs. [00:37] so.. it works? [00:38] Not tested it, but I'd say so. [00:38] even with the missing . ? [00:39] should be a hidden config file I think [00:39] Why? It's not in ~/ [00:40] ok [00:40] I had the skel scheme in mind [00:40] https://github.com/chjj/compton/blob/master/src/compton.c#L5255 [00:41] const static char *config_filename = "/compton.conf"; [00:42] yea [00:42] (I link to it because you should be able to read it far better than me. :) ) [00:44] so the next question is: does utopic still ship an outdated version of compton? [00:44] Beta2, IIRC. [00:44] !info compton utopic [00:44] compton (source: compton): compositor for X11, based on xcompmgr. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1~beta2-1 (utopic), package size 97 kB, installed size 243 kB [00:45] 2013-11-04 [00:45] old stuff [00:45] :/ [00:45] Latest tagged. We still aren't seeding it, just some handy config in case users want to use it. [00:46] right, having a nice config helps [00:46] but the user still has to deal with the outdated version of compton [00:46] in case we recommend it [00:47] recommend to try it -> tear free [00:47] * Unit193 shrugs, no newer releases. [00:49] oh man, someone wants the fix for bug 1310264 to be backported to trusty [00:49] bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 [00:50] can we do it? [00:50] He can do it, but that's a backport of a UI change, soo. [00:51] indeed, it's a ui change [00:53] so the answer is NO [06:34] bluesabre: thanks :) [07:22] bluesabre: any plans to sru/backport bug 1310264 to trusty? if no, then we should unlink the report from the 14.04.x blueprint [07:22] bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 [07:23] it's just a minimal ui change after all [07:24] the now visible "settings" submenu entry [07:26] ochosi: I asked in -release for a build of xubuntu, off out for the day - if you get chance could you do the same at some point [07:46] elfy: sure thing, thanks! [07:50] and thanks for updating the folks on the ML === torstehu_ is now known as torstehu [08:52] ochosi: I see you hiding, https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce will have something for you in a minute. [09:17] Unit193: a-ha a-ha, what is it? [09:17] ah, the dashboard? [09:18] Nothing new, and yeah, the only one that was built today. :D [09:19] have you tested it? [09:21] Test built. :P [09:21] righty, i just tested it, it works ok [09:21] i'll copy it over [09:21] thanks! [09:22] Sure thing, doc. [09:22] i'm wondering btw whether we should drop the saucy versions that we still have [09:22] since it's EOL and all [09:23] Outdated and can't be updated? I've been resisting nagging you and Sean about removing it, yeah. [09:24] done [09:25] Danke. [09:26] well thank you [09:26] i guess we should write a blog post about that PPA [09:27] (FWIW, Sean has access to the git repo hosting it too, in case I'm busy, in the hospital, dead, etc, etc.) [09:27] Sure. [09:27] righty [09:27] good to know, let's hope it doesn't come to any of that (incl. you being busy ;)) [09:29] Meh, hospital would actually mean less busy. When I was in last I'm pretty sure I got a chance to update a couple packages. :P [09:29] hehe [09:29] By the looks of it, the PPA is fairly used. [09:29] what looks? [09:29] (have they introduced lp statistics and i didn't notice?) === soren_ is now known as soren [09:36] gdmflexiserver is gone in 14.04, but xfswitch-plugin and the panel action buttons still require it [09:36] bug 1320560 [09:36] bug 1320560 in xfswitch-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfswitch-plugin refuses to switch user" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 [09:37] we could install a wrapper to mimic gdmflexiserver [09:37] see comment #4 [09:38] fixing the actual source would be the better option, but can we just go gdmflexiserver -> dm-tool? [09:38] dm-tool is lightdm only [09:39] (I think) [09:40] xscreensaver should be also affected [09:41] if you click on "new login" while it locks the screen [09:51] the thing is that if gnome2 had really gone away, we could just drop and forget about gdmflexiserver [09:52] but now that there are forks of it that seem to stick around for now, alternatives to lightdm can still easily be used outside of gnome [09:52] (from what i understand, the new gdm is tightly integrated in gnome3, so it's not as easy anymore to use that with a different DE) [09:54] the problem is that there has to be some sort of script for user switching via display manager [09:55] I'm not sure if we can just hardcode dm-tool [09:55] * ochosi replied [09:56] I see [09:56] i guess the really best way to fix this would be to implement display-manager awareness in xfce4-session [09:56] and then just provide a commandline switch for that, so that e.g. panel-plugins can safely use that [09:57] yes, this could be done via a "simple" bash script [09:57] like xflock4 [09:57] implementing this sort of DM detection in every other place is silly [09:57] gdmflexiserver was such a "simple" bash script iirc [09:57] indeed [09:57] despite its name it worked fine with other DMs than gdm [09:57] (like the "flexi" part implies) [09:57] that's the reason I don't like hardcoding dm-tool into the code [09:58] i think for ubuntu it's ok [09:58] I think so too [09:58] i suggest you prep the patch since you already figured out everything [09:59] ok [09:59] maybe bluesabre can push it (whenever he's back online) [10:00] xscreensaver is also affected, not sure about that one? just submit a patch and hope for the best? [10:01] ah bug 1309917 [10:01] bug 1309917 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Unable to switch login at xscreensaver lock screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309917 [10:01] the maintainer already replied [10:02] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/xscreensaver.git/tree/debian/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh [10:02] ^ :D [10:03] well the same goes for xscreensaver in fact [10:03] patching it in ubuntu is the okay-shortcut for now [11:03] wb bluesabre [11:04] what'd I miss? [11:04] one sec [11:05] brainwash talked about this bug and i commented and if he comes up with a patch, he'll get in touch with you https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 [11:05] Launchpad bug 1320560 in xfswitch-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfswitch-plugin refuses to switch user" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:05] oh, and i asked in -release for a rebuild of our image [11:05] but no response so far, stgraber seems to be afk [11:06] and you missed to close https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740 :P [11:06] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10740 in Settings Manager "Add support for versioned help desktop files" [Normal,New] [11:06] brainwash: not a bug admin for xfce4-settings, can't close it [11:07] but you can commit to trunk.. strange [11:07] two separate sites :) [11:07] done [11:07] ochosi: thank you [11:07] np [11:08] re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1310264 its a UI change, so nope [11:08] Launchpad bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Fix released] [11:08] (and it's easy enough for single users to fix themselves) [11:08] can't this ui change be considered a bug fix? [11:09] someone could write a blog post for xu.org about how to fix it though [11:10] maybe [11:11] if the user has already messed with the menu file (menulibre), then he still won't be able to find the hidden entries [11:11] yup [11:12] ok then [11:13] its still a pretty minor issue [11:13] +1 [11:14] ochosi: are we waiting for tonight to get our iso spun, or are we requesting an early respin? [11:14] for advanced users it is, but new xubuntu users are getting confused by the missing entries [11:14] new users couldn't find menu items in the last menu either though... they still had to click on the settings manager icon [11:15] bluesabre: i asked for a respin asap, but we'll see when it really happens... [11:15] ochosi: cool, thanks [11:16] bluesabre: yeah, but now we do offer the search functionality of whiskermenu, and people expect to find everything with it :) [11:16] they won't find files with it [11:16] anyway, let it go [11:17] hehe, I've already unlinked it from the 14.04.1 blueprint [11:18] good [11:18] speaking of which [11:18] do we want to add the catfish shortcut? [11:19] yup, that'd be nice [11:19] and what would be a good one? [11:19] a general keyboard shortcut? [11:20] global [11:20] bluesabre: problem is "locate" or "find" might be ambiguous [11:20] as in, type into whiskermenu "find donuts" and catfish loads and immediately starts to search [11:20] and "search" doesn't really cut it imo [11:21] though it might be more interested in worms or grubs [11:21] maybe "ok catfish" [11:21] ah well, let's go for "find". makes the most sense [11:23] brainwash: if you're running utopic and have catfish 1.2... like this: http://i.imgur.com/rCFuosC.png [11:25] makes sense to add something like that [11:26] "!f" would be too simple / not obvious enough, right? [11:27] i think it might not be very discoverable either way, but "find" makes it sound very natural [11:27] asked -release re beta build again [11:28] and people who frequently use it can change the shortcut easily [11:28] elfy: thanks [11:28] elfy: i pinged stgraber earlier, but he doesn't seem to be about [11:28] bluesabre: as far as you know there's nothing else that would stop it building? [11:28] that's the only thing [11:29] ochosi: yea - I think he's -5 or 6 hours [11:29] if it fails this time, I'd be shocked [11:30] why there's only one person who can get the build running I don't know - but I bet it'd get done for ubuntu earlier [11:30] possible [11:36] ochosi: so you got any plans/idea for what we should do if the respin is late tonight - given that release is supposed to be tomorrow? [11:36] knome was talking yesterday about releasing late - I'm not worried if we do or don't [11:38] I'll do as much iso testing as I am able tonight [11:39] bluesabre: yea - that relies on us gettting something to test :) [11:39] yup [11:40] I'll not be able to do hardware tests in time for tomorrow, be vm only [11:40] I get home when canonical starts going to bed, so I should be in the clear [11:40] :) [11:40] stgraber appeared mid-afternoon my time yesterday, would guess same today [11:41] ochosi: want to draft the release notes today, or is that usually somebody else? [11:42] bluesabre: not sure we have a definitive person who is responsible for the release notes [11:42] (and then I can review and add things tonight) [11:42] I see [11:42] actually it might be good if >1 people could work on it [11:42] yeah [11:42] otherwise things might be overlooked [11:42] nope - generally it was knome and me previously - better to whack it on a pad or something so everyone can get to it [11:43] good idea [11:43] http://pad.ubuntu.com/S030Pt7VHy [11:43] previoulsy we've mostly built it off of old ones [11:43] yeah, feel free to paste in a skeleton [11:47] bbl [11:50] Unit193: are you going to re-include 02-remove-unused-maximize-button.patch (xfwm4, not applied upstream) [11:51] not sure if you've already answered this question [11:52] bluesabre, elfy: i gotta run now, but i'll look at the release notes again a little later in the day [11:52] ok, I'm just adding notes for now which can be used to put things together [11:52] yup, sounds good [11:52] ttyl [11:57] Don't know why I thought it was no longer needed, I normally check those well. I would since it's my mistake, but it is easier for Sean. Anyway, if not I'll get to it a bit later today. [11:58] Unit193: you know where to find such tools... how can I search for what I've uploaded to utopic? [11:59] Unit193: alright [11:59] brainwash: Sorry. [11:59] nobody would have noticed it :P [12:01] bluesabre: And I know how to find what packages have been sponsored for you, but not what you've uploaded since I can't do that. [12:01] ah, gotcha [12:01] I think I've got nearly everything on the pad now [12:04] feel free to add notes for the packages if there is anything that makes them special :) [12:08] bbl === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster [13:22] bluesabre: If you want to grab+edit or whatever, it's uploaded. === Punna is now known as Pwnna [14:13] anyone here using a dual monitor setup? if yes, please check if pkexec also triggers bug 152855 [14:13] bug 152855 in gksu (Ubuntu) "gksu dialog box hangs when xfce compositing is on" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152855 [14:14] ancient bug :/ [14:20] Unit193: I suppose we need to get a core wiki page sorted for core rather than your one [14:20] elfy: rebuild kicked off by stgraber [14:22] saw - didn't realise we could do that when there's not one there at all [14:23] ochosi: we couldn't have done that, nothing to select to rebuild on the beta page [14:23] so a question of rights then i guess [14:23] you have them I think [14:23] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds [14:24] that's the dailies - once you've logged in do you see what I see? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-270814-152435.php [14:24] eg the admin bit at the bottom? [14:28] Unit193: - draft xubuntu minimal page on xubuntu.org done [14:33] ochosi: did a bit with the beta pad too [14:53] and ... we've got some images to test now :p [14:54] yeaps :) [14:54] * slickymasterWork will comply with what is promised [15:34] knome: not sure who can access the social stuff - but if you can, can you get beta testing on there [15:34] * elfy vaguely remembers pleia2 being afk [15:43] brainwash: you mean in relation to the at-spi2-core (Ubuntu) package? [15:49] paulw2u appears on the tracker - that's one I can generally rely on to turn up :) [17:25] ochosi Unit193 - core is now available on the tracker for testing [17:37] elfy: done [17:38] pleia2: awesome thanks - wasn't sure if you were about or not :) [17:38] chaos day, have work and flight later :) [17:38] :) [17:39] * elfy had that for a while - 2 machines doing b tests - coudln't remember which was doing 32 and which 64 :p [17:42] * elfy wanders away from the tracker now [17:42] hehe [17:43] I'm just glad we don't have alternates to test ;) [17:56] elfy: i'm around now [17:58] nope, i don't see that admin bit there [17:59] oh, indeed, now i see it [17:59] weird, when removing the filters (before i saw all products) it suddenly appeared [17:59] wasn't there before [18:00] that's actually quite handy that we can respin ourselves now [18:00] ok - cool, so to request a rebuild for 64 say, select the box next to it - then in the bottom request it :) [18:00] when we're ready to release - select then mark as ready [18:01] back in an hour ish [18:02] just don't practise today :p [18:02] hehe [18:02] ok [18:02] ttyl [18:49] Dang man, we have a lot of hardly started languages in the docs. Just checked, each and every one of them validates still. \o/ [19:09] ochosi: back for a bit if you need anything [19:10] elfy: Hellos. [19:12] hi Unit193 [19:28] wb Luyin :) [19:29] thx elfy [19:29] I'm just trying to find my way through all these websites [19:29] Luyin: if you've got time and can do a test install - vm's fine - we're testing the beta right now [19:30] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/322/builds [19:31] elfy: this error bug 1359439 ? [19:31] bug 1359439 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "[ 7.287663] systemd-logind[1057]: Failed to start unit user@126.service: Unknown unit: user@126.service" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359439 [19:33] most likely [19:33] ok, I'm on it elfy [19:33] just give me a sec to find myself around there [19:33] ok ... so that's random brainwash - what are you talking about :) [19:33] Luyin: okey doke - I'm about for a while if you need anything [19:33] elfy: your report "mage fails to start try/install screen" :P [19:33] Image [19:34] oic - that makes more sense now :) [19:34] elfy: the xubuntu desktop at the bottom of the page? [19:34] possible - I'm not that worried about it tbh brainwash - more likely to be sorted by a ubuntu type person [19:35] Luyin: yep :) [19:35] ok, which one? or just both? [19:35] Luyin: there are 5 tests in each - choose one arch and go for it :) [19:35] okay, I'll take the 64bit one [19:36] anything that you do will have my gratitude :) [19:36] hehe [19:37] * elfy wonders what lxpolkit actually is and if it's what it sounds like whether we could have similar [19:38] that's a random thought [19:39] not *completely* random - saw mention of it in -quality :p [19:39] we already use gnome's polkit auth agent I think [19:40] aah - okey doke - just wondering :) [19:40] elfy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough here it says one should get the iso via TestDrive, but I'm downloading it via browser atm, is that correct? [19:40] elfy: yes, it's policykit-1-gnome [19:40] Luyin: you can use testdrive - but if you know you're way around a vm then it's not really needed - and in that case download however you want [19:41] okay ^^ [19:41] * Unit193 ponders why it'd say to use testdrive. [19:41] elfy: luckily we don't hate gnome as much as LXDE does :) [19:41] Luyin: once you've got it - you can use zsync to update it if you want to not download the whole thing everytime - depends who long between test [19:42] Unit193: check the wiki page last edited by ;) [19:42] elfy: I didn't have to. [19:42] ha ha ha [19:42] * elfy has no idea what testdrive even looks like [19:43] Erm, requirements? Well then. [19:43] :) [19:44] Guess we don't support qemu, kvm, or VMware's. [19:44] if I was interested enough I could rip that up and start again [19:46] hmm, seems my virtualbox is only able to run 32bit kernels. [19:47] do 32 bit then :) [19:48] brainwash: thanks [20:02] ok, it's getting interesting :D [20:03] elfy: I presume you didn't see my question the other day. Utopic seem a bit slower to you than Trusty? [20:04] Unit193: nope didn't notice that - sorry. It *seems* a bit slower sometimes if I've booted systemd [20:04] Hrm. [20:04] but generally I don't notice much with upstart [20:04] unless I've been using vbox - then everything seems a lot slower than it did using it in trusty or saucy [20:06] systemd 214 vs systemd 214, seems to hang a couple seconds at times. [20:07] 214? [20:10] elfy: I've got a question about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware this. it says one should edit the top table – but there's no button or similar to click where I can edit anything. or am I missing something? [20:11] and something else: I chose the "manual partition"-version for testing. so I guess I'm allowed to partition myself in order to finish the test? [20:11] Luyin: none of that's really all that important tbh /Hardware [20:12] yep - you can choose the partitions yourself for that test [20:13] I tend to do it in this order, but then I tend to do the whole lot - whole disk, resize, then manual on one of the resized partitions [20:13] you're kidding? when I help, I'm doing it thoroughly :P [20:13] Luyin: you won't see me on that list and I've been doing this for years [20:13] okay, lol [20:14] you'll not find balloons on there either and he's the Canonical Community QA guy [20:14] so - you can do it if you want - but quite frankly - getting more than a couple of people testing is a LOT more important to me :) [20:15] hehe okay [20:16] * elfy really should write a more detailed QA procedure for us rather than have to send people to ubuntu pages and then it not be *quite* what we want [20:18] brainwash: What about it? [20:18] Unit193: ubuntu is stuck with 208, isn't it? [20:18] elfy: "core is now available on the tracker for testing" does that mean do it right now? [20:19] brainwash: Yep, in utopic at least, FF and all. [20:20] still don't like to boot with systemd.. it feels like voodo magic :) [20:20] Unit193: no - I was just letting you and ochosi know where we are :) [20:20] there's not much chance of me asking anyone to do that right at the moment :p [20:20] brainwash: Heh, yeeeah. I'm not sure if I like it or greatly dislike it, it's hard to tell as some of the features are nice, and some really bad. [20:20] elfy: OK, great then! [20:21] Unit193: exactly [20:21] brainwash: systemd-analyze, the information it keeps per service, and some of that is dang nice, others not so much. [20:33] I wish I got the desktop as quickly as systemd says it takes :p [20:33] Hah. :P [20:33] elfy: Try 214! :P [20:33] I think I boot to desktop in about 40-50s [20:34] systemd ~25s [20:35] Unit193: did you look at the core draft on xubuntu.org yet? [20:35] need to get that sorted before we call [20:35] though I could do it in the mail if necessary [20:37] re: release notes, i think the release team should generally take the lead on that, especially since the current setup is (by design): project lead, one person who's on top of development, one person who's on top of QA/testing/Bugs [20:37] elfy, i can do twitter.. [20:38] ta [20:38] what do you want in there? probably a certain mail mentioned? [20:38] elfy: Oh, we even want to mention the second one? OK, works for me. Seems to be about what I wrote up too. Perhaps it'd be useful to link to http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/appendix-packages.html ? [20:38] oh, hmm, somebody tweeted [20:38] knome: pleia2 did do something though - not checked what yet [20:39] Unit193: it was a draft - I just copied what you wrote in yours and tacked on testing :p [20:39] yep, she's definitely tweeted 3h ago [20:39] cool - thanks knome [20:39] np [20:40] we definitely need to involve the "other" social media admins more on this channel [20:40] Unit193: yea - agreed to adding that to the page [20:40] we have *at least* pleia2 + 1 other person on each outlet [20:40] knome: I'm glad that doesn't involve me :p [20:40] elfy: why do the release notes say "xfwm4 4.12"? [20:40] elfy: Right, sounds good to me. Figured it might be, kind of wrote it last cycle precisely for xubuntu-core. [20:40] elfy, heh, well it should make your work easier :) [20:41] ochosi: was just picking up information from bluesabre's list [20:41] ochosi: I have no idea if you're interested, but you are not identified. [20:41] elfy: says 4.11.2 there though :) [20:41] Unit193: ah, thanks [20:41] fat finger syndrome then I suspect ochosi :) [20:42] lol [20:42] ochosi: and are we just going to do a release announcement or both? [20:42] elfy, holstein is an admin of the FB group.. [20:42] elfy: both? [20:43] knome: orite - useful to know :) [20:43] yep, will ask him to join this channel the next time i see him active (and remember) [20:43] ochosi: suits me - but I'll not be about morning tomorrow [20:43] knome: he is now [20:44] elfy: no, my question was what do you mean with a release announcement *or both* ? [20:44] lol - sorry - announcement is on xubuntu.org release notes are on ubuntu wiki [20:44] oh right [20:44] well i'd probably do both [20:45] ok - well I'll ensure that the wiki one is ok by tomorrow afternoon [20:45] announcement has generally been the non-technical one, notes the more technical one; and usually useful for anything else than point releases at least [20:46] wb boss :p [20:46] knome: yep [20:48] knome: if you wanna help us move along a bit, that'd be much appreciated: http://pad.ubuntu.com/S030Pt7VHy [20:50] hrrhrr [20:52] what are we drafting? the notes or the announcement or both? [20:54] i guess both [20:55] bluesabre started by listing app updates [20:55] and elfy added a skeleton [20:55] not sure what for though tbh :) [20:55] I'll not bother again then [20:56] lol [20:56] that skeleton is okay though :P [20:57] elfy: why? i think it's nice, i'm just not experienced enough with this stuff :) [20:58] ochosi: well basically it's a whole lot easier doing it before by a day than by 5 minutes ... [20:58]