[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <sgclark> morning
[08:36] <lordievader> Hey sgclark, how are you?
[08:37] <sgclark> pretty good. tired lol, new schedule taking some getting used to
[08:39] <lordievader> Whoo, Beta one is still up for testing. Should do some testing today :)
[08:40] <Riddell> yes please lordievader :)
[08:40] <valorie> oh my gosh, you are on euro-sched, sgclark?
[08:40] <sgclark> yeah valorie
[08:40] <valorie> woman of iron
[08:41] <valorie> I can't do that
[08:41] <sgclark> bedtime @ 4pm lol
[08:41] <valorie> until I get there
[08:41] <sgclark> kinda works actually , my husband works nights
[08:41] <valorie> I hope that works for ya
[08:41] <sgclark> hardest part is staying asleep 8 hours
[08:42] <valorie> my way works for me....
[08:45] <sgclark> either way we are both up in the middle of the night lol
[08:46] <valorie> yes, but I'm about to head to bed
[08:46] <sgclark> ahh gotcha
[08:49] <lordievader> Riddell: Will do ;)
[09:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to revert ubiquity for the time being bte
[09:09] <shadeslayer> *btw
[09:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh?
[09:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, you can't get past ubiquity-dm now
[09:11] <shadeslayer> At least I could not last night
[09:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sorry :(
[09:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: why is a FFe required for the IO scheduler change, its a bug fix release 
[09:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep I agree, just comes back to ubiquity-dm
[09:16] <Riddell> hmm
[09:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, so you could spend some time investigating that, or revert and postpone for after
[09:17]  * apachelogger points out that this could be a sign sddm crashing
[09:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alternatively we ask people to boot without maybe-ubiquity
[09:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no logs in /var/log/sddm
[09:19] <Riddell> nothing in the logs about ubiquity-dm
[09:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: doesn't that make it even more likely :P
[09:20] <shadeslayer> True :p
[09:20] <apachelogger> hm
[09:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually, fix the sddm upstart unit
[09:21] <apachelogger> it appears to me that'll also fix the issue t hand
[09:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's wrong?
[09:21] <apachelogger> as I said in the past: it should be a slightly adjusted copy of lightdm
[09:22] <apachelogger> in fact I am reasonable certain the loop hapens because the exec sddm is inside an if which is molto wrong
[09:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no it's not
[09:25] <shadeslayer> atleast indentation indicates it's not
[09:26] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:26] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:26] <shadeslayer> I see 
[09:26] <shadeslayer> lets see
[09:33] <shadeslayer> argh
[09:33] <shadeslayer> stupid sddm 
[09:33] <Riddell> what's it doing?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> not starting
[09:33] <shadeslayer> i.e. sudo service sddm start doesn't work
[09:33] <yofel> intel?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> vbox
[09:33] <yofel> hm
[09:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the version I see has it in the if
[09:36] <apachelogger> also random noting: a) clearing tty7 while sddm always starts on tty1 is a bit pointless b) since ubiquity-dm runs on tty7 (presumably) switching to tty1 for sddm might very well involve substantial flickering and mode setting
[09:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the clear stuff is for plymouth
[09:45] <shadeslayer> plymouth is on tty7
[09:46] <yofel> why is sddm on tty1 again?
[09:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: no clue, that's the default, and I dont see a way to change it
[09:47] <yofel> maybe talk to upstream? AFAIK there's a bunch of things that expect X/DM to run on tty7
[09:47] <shadeslayer> d_ed: ^^
[09:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/revision/42
[09:48] <shadeslayer> does that look right now
[09:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: though I can't test because sddm doesn't really start after I stop it and edit the upstart conf -.-
[09:49] <yofel> if 'sudo sddm' doesn't do anything either you have greeter problems
[09:50] <yofel> or driver whatever
[09:51] <shadeslayer> sudo sddm works
[09:52] <shadeslayer> but thats useless
[09:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: better, plymouth quit apparently needs a runlevel check btw
[09:57] <apachelogger> or so lightdm does
[10:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will do, but first
[10:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: want to rebuild the ISO's?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> after sddm builds
[10:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh?
[10:03] <Riddell> you fixed it?
[10:03] <shadeslayer> maybe
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I can't really test
[10:04] <shadeslayer> upstart job doesn't want to restart for some reason
[10:04] <Riddell> mm, testing ubiquity-dm is very faffy
[10:04] <shadeslayer> ^^
[10:04] <Riddell> how do you even switch from X to a linux console in virtualbox?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anyway, package should be up in ~10 minutes at which point you can rebuild ISO's
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need to forcefully kill ubiquity
[10:05] <apachelogger> and X
[10:05] <shadeslayer> host key + F1
[10:05] <apachelogger> and sleep somewhere in between
[10:05] <Riddell> looks like it's up now
[10:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in the init script?
[10:05] <apachelogger> no before you can restart ubiquity-dm
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell could grep his logs, I told him the command at some point
[10:07] <apachelogger> why is there no kdev ruby
[10:07] <shadeslayer> there is
[10:07] <apachelogger> what sort of evil ploy is this
[10:07] <shadeslayer> it's not packaged
[10:07] <apachelogger> not packaged there isnt
[10:08] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:08] <shadeslayer> anyway, I am off to the doctor, Riddell plz test if the sddm fix works, because force killing Xorg and ubiquity-dm doesn't work for me ( after updating the init script )
[10:09] <shadeslayer> cya after lunch
[11:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: doesn't seem to help :(
[11:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: revert ubiquity then
[11:11] <BluesKaj> HI all
[11:12] <alvin> I'm sorry for bothering you guys with this, but someone here will probably know it. I'm trying to use the program backportpackage from  ubuntu-dev-tools, but launchpad  rejects my upload because packages 'username@hostname' can't be identified. I tried setting DEBEMAIL and UBUMAIL in ~/.devscripts, but those values are ignored. (whilst DEBSIGN_KEYID is accepted). Any idea where I have to set my email for this?
[11:13] <shadeslayer> alvin: needs exporting
[11:13] <shadeslayer> Put it in your bashrc or equivalent
[11:13] <alvin> shadeslayer: Thanks, but I actually already tried that. Those 2 are in my environment. (I can do echo $DEBEMAIL)
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Hm
[11:14] <shadeslayer> No clue then
[11:14] <alvin> And strange enough, it all works on another Kubuntu machine, where the values are not exported, so I'm guessing the other computer uses ~/.devscripts
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Odd
[11:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8168085/ xD
[11:15] <shadeslayer> alvin: try passing them to backportpackage via the command line?
[11:15] <alvin> Indeed. Been searching for hours. I just copied the .devscripts file from the other computer too.
[11:15] <alvin> shadeslayer: Well, that should work. I'll try it. But I would really like to know what's different here.
[11:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is it a spaceship
[11:16] <apachelogger> a jenkins+lxc based spaceship
[11:16] <shadeslayer> Yeah, much cool
[11:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Better Together - Luke Wright on Scottish Indepen…: http://youtu.be/g_1ugSSiqsE
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ubiquity reverted yet ?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> seriously considering reverting to plasma 4 on my desktop pc ... plasma 5 isn't configurable enough even for testing. I don't like the look at all. It's extremely bland and I don't consider myself any more visually oriented than the norm.
[12:01] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: reckon one should file bugs and/or send mails 
[12:02] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, the bugs are obvious ..nothing works in terms of colours or themes except the defaults
[12:03] <apachelogger> obvious != reported
[12:03] <sgclark> hmm I can select colors otherr than default
[12:04] <sgclark> Are you using the new ISO, just curious?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> you can select but do the colours change ?
[12:04] <sgclark> yup
[12:04] <BluesKaj> sgclark, yes
[12:04] <BluesKaj> theyt don't here
[12:05] <apachelogger> reckon one should be filing a bug
[12:05] <sgclark> BluesKaj: ok, perhaps something there, I am not, I tossed it after no power settings
[12:05] <sgclark> what apachelogger said ^
[12:06] <sgclark> something is definitely not right
[12:06] <BluesKaj> some things are not right :)
[12:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no I think we can just release note that you need to remove maybe-ubiquity, it's the first beta of a tech preview so that's fine for me
[12:07] <shadeslayer> I dont think that's acceptable , but you are the release manager
[12:08] <shadeslayer> No one reads the release notes
[12:08] <apachelogger> look how professionally I abused cppcheck to get lintian data into jenkins xD http://i.imgur.com/547rtVR.png
[12:08] <shadeslayer> Fact
[12:08] <Riddell> sgclark, apachelogger: straw poll for plasma 5, revert ubiquity or tell people to remove maybe-ubiquity from boot line?
[12:08] <apachelogger> revert
[12:08] <sgclark> IMO telling people to remove things from bootline can end badly
[12:08] <apachelogger> testing really shouldn't be *more* of an effort than it already is :P
[12:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not upworthy enough
[12:09] <Riddell> ok I'll revert and rebuild
[12:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is an upworthy?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> http://www.upworthy.com/
[12:11] <apachelogger> internet weird
[12:11] <shadeslayer> Yes
[12:13] <apachelogger> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED
[12:13] <apachelogger> patching file startkde/CMakeLists.txt
[12:13] <apachelogger> god I love patches
[12:23] <shadeslayer> "patches are awesome" apachelogger circa 2014
[12:27] <apachelogger> that's not what I said now is it
[12:42] <apachelogger> uh
[12:43] <apachelogger> the patch has a fuzz
[12:43] <apachelogger> omg
[12:43] <apachelogger> world will end right here right now
[13:27] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta1/Kubuntu ← proofreaders needed!
[13:34] <jmux> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/utopic as the KDE5 link is broken
[13:35] <Riddell> jmux: right I'm hoping that's where it'll appear once it's published but nothing is published yet
[13:35] <Riddell> still testing for now
[13:38] <jmux> My 6 students started development with "EasyHacks" on LO this week, so I hope I can find one starting on the KDE5 backend in two weeks...
[13:38] <Riddell> jmux: ooh nice
[13:38]  * jmux + 2 collegues + the students will be on the LLOconf in Bern next week
[13:38] <Riddell> jmux: probably the easier way to start will be with the breeze icon theme
[13:39] <Riddell> jmux: then the widgets for the brave
[13:39] <Riddell> jmux: do you know how themes get set for libreoffice?  We have the oxygen theme installed on the kubuntu-plasma5 image but it doesn't get picked
[13:40] <jmux> Riddell: I know there was a bug regarding icon themes a few weeks ago changing the theme pickup - sek - have to check the ML.
[13:41] <jmux> They dropped a bunch of defaults and changed some stuff to fix it on MS Win
[13:46] <jmux> Riddell: Guess this'll take a little buit longer, as I have to leave for a call. I'll check after the call and report back.
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did the ISO rebuilds go through? 
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Last one I see has 2.19.3
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Ubiquity  that is
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 2.19.4 just landed and I started a rebuild
[14:15] <Riddell> should appear shortly
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Okie
[14:15] <Riddell> not a fast process this
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Keep a eye on those basis 
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you think the permissions issues we saw will have gone?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> *beasties 
[14:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should go away 
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: was that something up in sddm ?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> I think so
[14:16] <shadeslayer> We will find out soon enough :p
[14:17] <Riddell> :)
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: good news,  I don't have a cold
[14:17] <Riddell> umm..
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Though I still have to take drugs to keep my throat from exploding
[14:17] <Riddell> but if you're ill that means you have something else?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Yeah,  throat inflammation 
[14:18] <Riddell> but not caused by a cold virus?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Yep
[14:18] <Riddell> that sounds like a symptom rather than a diagnosis
[14:18] <Riddell> I know.. I've seen House enough times
[14:19] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Well they gave me drugs and sent me home,  good enough for ne
[14:19] <shadeslayer> *me
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could be a general inflammation from something in the air
[14:20] <Riddell> ..like a cold virus :)
[14:21] <Riddell> maybe it's lupus?
[14:21] <Riddell> (there's always a suggestion of lupus in House)
[14:21] <shadeslayer> *shrug* could be that I had a cold.... 
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Lol
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Yeah lupus :p
[14:21] <shadeslayer> I know :p
[14:21] <Quintasan> Hi
[14:21] <Riddell> Michael!
[14:22] <Quintasan> It is I!
[14:22] <Riddell> what's going on here? http://paste.kde.org/povko21ly  why can't I run cmake to compile this qt5 app?
[14:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: just in time to test the plasma 5 images?
[14:23] <Quintasan> plasma 5 you say?
[14:23] <Quintasan> I'm downloading the regular image as we speak
[14:23] <Quintasan> Might as well as test the new one.
[14:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: great, new one should appear shortly so zsync that when it appears, current one is dead
[14:26] <Riddell> or you mean the plasma4 image? that needs testing too :)
[14:27] <Quintasan> I'll test both
[14:28] <Riddell> yay
[14:28] <Riddell> oh and upgrade on i386 still needs tested :)
[14:42] <BluesKaj> ok plasma4 back on the desktop. I'll stick to testing this since it's more to my taste.
[14:46] <apachelogger> did you file bugs?
[14:50] <Riddell> oh I've started logging plasma5 bugs under kubuntu-ppa and tagged plasma5
[14:51] <apachelogger> xD
[14:51] <apachelogger> I just did a solid build from jenkins
[14:51] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[14:52] <kdeuser56> is it decided yet if neon has a future?
[14:52] <Riddell> why is that worthy of a muhahaha?
[14:53] <apachelogger> why wouldn't it be?
[14:54] <Riddell> well doesn't jenkins build solid all the time?
[14:54] <Riddell> along with everything else?
[14:54] <Riddell> or is this a special package of solid from CP?
[14:55] <apachelogger> CP
[14:57] <apachelogger> " Wrapper around checkUpload for the web service API. " such documentation
[15:00] <jmux> Riddell: Current Icon theme is read from KDE4 global config: http://paste.debian.net/118013/
[15:01] <Riddell> ah so the oxygen theme looks for what to set the icon theme?
[15:01] <Riddell> maybe oxygen theme not working because oxygen qt4 theme isn't installed stops it finding the icon theme
[15:06] <jmux> Riddell: This is the LO internal settings. AFAIK you need to place a ZIP file with the icons. This doesn't use any system icons.
[15:07] <jmux> In my development installation I have instdir/share/config/images_oxygen.zip. 
[15:08] <jmux> My Debian Wheezy has the zips in /usr/share/libreoffice/share/config/
[15:10] <jmux> AFAIK current master LO (4.4) dropped the "image_" prefix of the zips. Just saw that the LO oxygen style is in pkg libreoffice-style-oxygen in trusty
[15:11] <Quintasan> Christ the USB creator is so horrible
[15:11] <jmux> Riddell: Path to lo oxygen zip in trusty is /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/config/images_oxygen.zip
[15:11] <yofel> fix it? ^^
[15:11] <yofel> Jonathan wanted to remove it from the seed
[15:12] <Quintasan> Horrible I say
[15:12] <Quintasan> It's pythj
[15:12] <Quintasan> python
[15:12] <yofel> well, that's bad, not horrible...
[15:13] <Quintasan> I can take a look at that but don't expect anything
[15:13] <yofel> rather ask for more pressing things to waste your time on
[15:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: I did remove it from the plasma5 seed but since it's horribly broken (both gtk and qt frontends) I guess it should be removed entirely
[15:16] <Riddell> or fixed
[15:16] <Quintasan> I'd say the latter
[15:16] <Quintasan> If the gtk is broken as well then let's just say lol nope
[15:16] <Quintasan> I use mkusb anyways
[15:16] <Riddell> I do think it's important to fix so that would be much appreciated if you could look at it
[15:16] <Riddell> what's mkusb?
[15:17] <Quintasan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
[15:17] <Riddell> hmm, a shell script
[15:17] <Riddell> hardly something I'd be keen to advocate to our users
[15:19] <Riddell> but it makes me really sad to be shipping broken software or telling people to use dd :(
[15:21] <Riddell> especially where that software is needed to install the OS at all
[15:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: Funny thing is that dd has the higest success rate if you manage to choose the device wisely
[15:23] <Quintasan> It just works 
[15:24] <yofel> highest success and highest danger rate ^^
[15:26] <Riddell> I noticed myself typing of=/dev/sdb yesterday, good thing I did as that's the new SSD disk I installed
[15:28] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:28] <Quintasan> the installer fails here
[15:28] <Quintasan> (plasma 5)
[15:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: what language?
[15:28] <Quintasan> Polish
[15:29] <Riddell> yeah known bug, non-english is broken :(
[15:29] <Quintasan> I'll just install utopic plasma 4 and work on top of that
[15:29] <Riddell> it's just as broken there
[15:29] <Riddell> that obviously needs fixed
[15:29] <Riddell> bug 1182784
[15:32] <Quintasan> Christ.
[15:35] <Quintasan> There are virtually no logs for this
[15:35] <Quintasan> Bloody hell all those people +1'ing it
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay premissions issue fixed in plasma5
[15:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: seems there are people out there who don't speak english
[15:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: Yes, but +1'ing it in comments without any backtrace is not very useful
[15:38] <Riddell> shrug, it makes people happy, look how popular the Like button is on facebook
[15:38] <yofel> there's an affects me button at the top...
[15:38] <yofel> maybe we should make that neon yellow
[16:24] <Riddell> hmm powerdevil not great https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674
[16:40] <kdeuser56> Riddell: yeah :-(
[16:40] <kdeuser56> Riddell: makes utopic-plasma5 no pleasure
[17:02] <Riddell> so bugs for plasma5 images.. in kubuntu-ppa product and tagged plasma5 ?
[17:29] <Riddell> uh, plasma5 i386 has the permissions problem :(
[17:29] <Riddell> what the heck?
[17:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any idea why i386 would but not amd64?
[17:35] <Riddell> wait.. it does work in virtualbox 
[17:35] <Riddell> maybe I got my dd command wrong!
[17:35]  * Riddell checks he still has a functioning hard disk
[17:35]  * apachelogger has failing jenkins jobs when the launchpad build fails \o/
[17:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: sweet!
[17:43] <Riddell> anyone used unetbootin? should we use it instead of usb-creator-kde?
[17:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: ↑
[17:45] <apachelogger> someone could like fix usb-creator maybe
[17:49] <Riddell> sudo dd if=kubuntu5-201408281428-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sde
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: u using uefi maybe?
[17:50] <apachelogger> actulaly
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you try in vbox simply?
[17:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it's using uefi
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: that iso wouldn't support uefi
[17:52] <Riddell> my virtualbox is busy with plasma5 tests but should be free in a bit
[17:52] <apachelogger> kthx
[17:52] <Riddell> meh but I still can't get kubuntu-plasma5 i386 to work on real hardware, this is weird
[17:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think I can hear your heartbeat
[17:59] <Riddell> I take it back about unetbootin, I can't work out how to copy the ISO to my usb drive
[18:02] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't suppose you can test kubuntu-plasma5 i386 ISO?
[18:02] <Riddell> or anyone else?
[18:07] <sgclark> I am fixing packaging for powerdevil atm and half asleep, only got 4 hours sleep :(
[18:08] <Riddell> sgclark: fair enough then
[18:08] <Riddell> sgclark: you think there's a packaging issue?
[18:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: your iso boots into plasma 5 all good
[18:08] <sgclark> yup, we had d-bus file in -dev package
[18:09] <Riddell> hmm, dbus files are tricksy, there's a few different types
[18:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: want me to check anything?
[18:09] <sgclark> I went through that thread
[18:09] <sgclark> and this one needs to be around at runtime
[18:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's it thanks
[18:14] <Riddell> kubuntu-plasma5 iso definately busted on i386
[18:15] <sgclark> Riddell: and I don't know that this will end all issues, it sounds like there is more to that story
[18:15] <Riddell> yeah I don't think it will but let's see what happens
[18:16] <Riddell> kubuntu-plasma5 iso definately works on amd64
[18:16] <Riddell> that is weird
[18:16] <Riddell> mega weird
[18:17] <d_ed> on different machines or the same iso in two places?
[18:17] <d_ed> let me try again..
[18:17] <d_ed> on different machines or the same machine with two ISOs
[18:20] <Riddell> d_ed: virtualbox and real hardware
[18:20] <Riddell> weird permissions issue exists on i386 but not on amd64
[18:21] <Riddell> and that's after I reverted the ubiquity-dm not being able to transition to sddm issue (so it doesn't load ubiquity-dm now)
[18:40] <Riddell> sgclark: I reported bug 1362756 and bug 1362751
[18:44] <sgclark> Riddell: ok. I don't seem to have second issue. As for the first yeah all the logs say powermanagement loaded successfully...
[18:44] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell sgclark
[18:44] <sgclark> hey ahoneybun
[18:44] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun, you're just in time for the first beta release featuring plasma5 images
[18:45] <ahoneybun> Riddell: am I ?
[18:45] <Riddell> and to fix the 12 bugs I just reported :) http://goo.gl/B527rj
[18:46] <sgclark> Riddell: I will download the new images and test first thing in the morning err night err whatever I am lol. I should hopefully get more than 4 hours sleep
[18:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I think you know I know nothing of bug fixing
[18:48] <Riddell> sgclark: we'll be releasing in an hour or so, so it's not urgent after that but more testing always good
[18:49] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh ok my apologies then, new schedule was going fine till last night.
[18:51] <sgclark> maybe I will try my hand at a bug or two :)
[18:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: but you can.. proofread! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta1/Kubuntu
[18:55] <ahoneybun> Riddell: is there anything else to do for the Docs>
[18:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: there are doubles of (1362598) No Install icon on desktop  and (1362599) ubiquity-dm does not run on kubuntu plasma5 images 
[18:57] <ahoneybun> plus the kde plasma 5 link is dead
[18:57] <Riddell> sgclark: bug 1362752 will test your shell scripting :)
[18:57] <Riddell> ahoneybun: plasma5 link should come alive once it's published
[18:57] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: duplicate links killed thanks
[18:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell: sweet
[18:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I don't think docs have been touched this cycle
[18:58] <ahoneybun> they have not
[18:58] <ahoneybun> I wish that docs.kubuntu.org could look better
[18:59] <sgclark> I thought we moved to wiki?
[18:59] <Riddell> the kubuntu-docs document is still docbook generating html for khelpcenter and docs.kubuntu.org
[18:59] <sgclark> Riddell: challenge accepted
[19:01] <sgclark> tomorrow that is, off to relax a few and get some sleep.
[19:06] <Riddell> sleep well
[19:44] <MichaelP> I downloaded a ISO the otherday. that was to supose to be plasma5 but it turned out to be kde 4.14.... is kubuntu using the ppa repo or it's own for that ?
[19:48] <Riddell> MichaelP: the use our own PPA for plasma 5
[19:49] <Riddell> MichaelP: you just downloaded the wrong ISO, the right one will have plasma 5 on it
[19:50] <MichaelP> Riddell: i clicked on the plasma 5 32 bit....
[19:50] <Riddell> but the md5 you posted was for the plasma 4 image :)
[19:51] <MichaelP> maybe the iso on the 32 bit was mixed up in the directory on the server
[19:52] <kdeuser56> Riddell: how can I checkout the source for the kubuntu ubiquity installer? simply check out ubiquity?
[19:53] <MichaelP> So it still using the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next repo
[19:53] <kdeuser56> Riddell: nevermind
[19:54] <Riddell> MichaelP: yep
[19:58] <MichaelP> Riddell: i notice on kde site it says apt update ...apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop ... apt full upgrade..... another site says... apt update ... apt dist-upgrade ... apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop  .... whats the right way
[19:58] <MichaelP> the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade
[20:00] <yofel> only aptitude has full-upgrade, apt would be dist-upgrade (they both pretty much do the same thing)
[20:01] <yofel> er
[20:01] <yofel> apt does have full-upgrade actually (when did they add that...)
[20:01] <yofel> so it doesn't really matter what you use, both ways get you to the same destination
[20:03] <MichaelP> just woundered... cause i done apt apt full-upgrade before.. and ended up having to still upgrade plasma-desktop in order to have plasma in login screen
[20:06] <Riddell> apt full-upgrade  or  apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:06] <Riddell> I like the new "apt" over "apt-get" now
[20:06] <Riddell> except it doesn't do everything
[20:07] <Riddell> MichaelP: what sites are you looking at?
[20:07] <MichaelP> http://www.sysads.co.uk/2014/08/kubuntu-plasma-5-14-10-utopic-unicorn-daily-build-released/     ....    https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu
[20:20] <Riddell> oh he left
[20:21] <MichaelP> finaly power management working in plasma5
[20:24] <Riddell> oh?
[20:24] <Riddell> maybe sgclark did some magic for it
[20:27] <kdeuser56> where is dolphin now in frameworks? (not the kde version)
[20:27] <kdeuser56> is there a git repository?
[20:28] <kdeuser56> (not the kde4 version I meant:-)
[20:28] <shadeslayer> kde-baseapps I think
[20:28] <shadeslayer> use the frameworks branch
[20:30] <Riddell> #
[20:31] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: whats the name of the frameworks branch exactly?
[20:31] <shadeslayer> frameworks
[20:32] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: I don't get it ... git clone git://anongit.kde.org/frameworks.git does nothing 
[20:32] <shadeslayer> what
[20:32] <shadeslayer> I said branch?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> git clone kde:kde-baseapps --branch frameworks
[20:33] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: oh damn, sorry thanks
[20:33] <shadeslayer> cheers
[20:53]  * Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/utopic/beta-1/
[20:58] <shadeslayer> :3
[20:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yofel Quintasan be proud : "Yep all I see it called is KDE 5 or KDE plasma 5 or even KDE Neon."
[20:58] <shadeslayer> from http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/2egdof/kde_releases_in_the_future_albert_astals_cid/
[20:58] <shadeslayer> we have a brand around Neon :3
[20:58] <yofel> :D
[20:58] <yofel> we're amazing \o/
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ^^
[21:07]  * Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/beta-1/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/utopic/beta-1/ with content
[21:11]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/14.10-beta-1
[21:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: shouldn't we be waiting for the ubuntu-announce to go through
[21:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: stgraber gave us the all clear so I pushed
[21:15] <Riddell> and I need to cook tea for nim
[21:15] <shadeslayer> cool
[21:18] <MichaelP> 14.10 beta1... whats the version.. the one person asked me to help test the otherday ?
[21:18] <Riddell> proably a beta 1 candidate
[21:18] <MichaelP> i know it's utopic
[21:19]  * Riddell snoozes
[21:24] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:27] <MichaelP> Do we have to get skype from skype site... onlything i see in repo is empathy-skype and pidgin-skype
[21:33] <yofel> !partner
[21:33] <yofel> ^ has skype
[21:33] <MichaelP> ok thanks
[21:37] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping
[21:40] <MichaelP> guess all i had to do was put check mark for partner repository from muon
[23:56] <valorie> errors on upgrading the utopic laptop: http://paste.kde.org/poz1qs9LL