=== Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [08:28] Good morning. === vinay is now known as Guest55567 [08:34] morning [08:36] Hey sgclark, how are you? [08:37] pretty good. tired lol, new schedule taking some getting used to [08:39] Whoo, Beta one is still up for testing. Should do some testing today :) [08:40] yes please lordievader :) [08:40] oh my gosh, you are on euro-sched, sgclark? [08:40] yeah valorie [08:40] woman of iron [08:41] I can't do that [08:41] bedtime @ 4pm lol [08:41] until I get there [08:41] kinda works actually , my husband works nights [08:41] I hope that works for ya [08:41] hardest part is staying asleep 8 hours [08:42] my way works for me.... [08:45] either way we are both up in the middle of the night lol [08:46] yes, but I'm about to head to bed [08:46] ahh gotcha [08:49] Riddell: Will do ;) [09:09] Riddell: might want to revert ubiquity for the time being bte [09:09] *btw [09:10] shadeslayer: oh? [09:10] Riddell: yeah, you can't get past ubiquity-dm now [09:11] At least I could not last night [09:14] Riddell: sorry :( [09:15] ScottK: why is a FFe required for the IO scheduler change, its a bug fix release [09:15] shadeslayer: yep I agree, just comes back to ubiquity-dm [09:16] hmm [09:16] Riddell: yeah, so you could spend some time investigating that, or revert and postpone for after [09:17] * apachelogger points out that this could be a sign sddm crashing [09:17] Riddell: alternatively we ask people to boot without maybe-ubiquity [09:18] apachelogger: no logs in /var/log/sddm [09:19] nothing in the logs about ubiquity-dm [09:20] shadeslayer: doesn't that make it even more likely :P [09:20] True :p [09:20] hm [09:21] shadeslayer: actually, fix the sddm upstart unit [09:21] it appears to me that'll also fix the issue t hand [09:21] apachelogger: what's wrong? [09:21] as I said in the past: it should be a slightly adjusted copy of lightdm [09:22] in fact I am reasonable certain the loop hapens because the exec sddm is inside an if which is molto wrong [09:24] apachelogger: no it's not [09:25] atleast indentation indicates it's not [09:26] oh [09:26] oh [09:26] I see [09:26] lets see [09:33] argh [09:33] stupid sddm [09:33] what's it doing? [09:33] not starting [09:33] i.e. sudo service sddm start doesn't work [09:33] intel? [09:33] vbox [09:33] hm [09:35] shadeslayer: the version I see has it in the if [09:36] also random noting: a) clearing tty7 while sddm always starts on tty1 is a bit pointless b) since ubiquity-dm runs on tty7 (presumably) switching to tty1 for sddm might very well involve substantial flickering and mode setting [09:44] apachelogger: the clear stuff is for plymouth [09:45] plymouth is on tty7 [09:46] why is sddm on tty1 again? [09:46] yofel: no clue, that's the default, and I dont see a way to change it [09:47] maybe talk to upstream? AFAIK there's a bunch of things that expect X/DM to run on tty7 [09:47] d_ed: ^^ [09:48] apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/revision/42 [09:48] does that look right now [09:49] apachelogger: though I can't test because sddm doesn't really start after I stop it and edit the upstart conf -.- [09:49] if 'sudo sddm' doesn't do anything either you have greeter problems [09:50] or driver whatever [09:51] sudo sddm works [09:52] but thats useless [09:57] shadeslayer: better, plymouth quit apparently needs a runlevel check btw [09:57] or so lightdm does [10:01] apachelogger: will do, but first [10:01] Riddell: want to rebuild the ISO's? [10:01] after sddm builds [10:03] shadeslayer: ooh? [10:03] you fixed it? [10:03] maybe [10:03] I can't really test [10:04] upstart job doesn't want to restart for some reason [10:04] mm, testing ubiquity-dm is very faffy [10:04] ^^ [10:04] how do you even switch from X to a linux console in virtualbox? [10:04] Riddell: anyway, package should be up in ~10 minutes at which point you can rebuild ISO's [10:04] shadeslayer: you need to forcefully kill ubiquity [10:05] and X [10:05] host key + F1 [10:05] and sleep somewhere in between [10:05] looks like it's up now [10:05] apachelogger: in the init script? [10:05] no before you can restart ubiquity-dm [10:06] Riddell could grep his logs, I told him the command at some point [10:07] why is there no kdev ruby [10:07] there is [10:07] what sort of evil ploy is this [10:07] it's not packaged [10:07] not packaged there isnt [10:08] yeah [10:08] anyway, I am off to the doctor, Riddell plz test if the sddm fix works, because force killing Xorg and ubiquity-dm doesn't work for me ( after updating the init script ) [10:09] cya after lunch [11:04] shadeslayer: doesn't seem to help :( [11:11] Riddell: revert ubiquity then [11:11] HI all [11:12] I'm sorry for bothering you guys with this, but someone here will probably know it. I'm trying to use the program backportpackage from ubuntu-dev-tools, but launchpad rejects my upload because packages 'username@hostname' can't be identified. I tried setting DEBEMAIL and UBUMAIL in ~/.devscripts, but those values are ignored. (whilst DEBSIGN_KEYID is accepted). Any idea where I have to set my email for this? [11:13] alvin: needs exporting [11:13] Put it in your bashrc or equivalent [11:13] shadeslayer: Thanks, but I actually already tried that. Those 2 are in my environment. (I can do echo $DEBEMAIL) [11:14] Hm [11:14] No clue then [11:14] And strange enough, it all works on another Kubuntu machine, where the values are not exported, so I'm guessing the other computer uses ~/.devscripts [11:14] Odd [11:15] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8168085/ xD [11:15] alvin: try passing them to backportpackage via the command line? [11:15] Indeed. Been searching for hours. I just copied the .devscripts file from the other computer too. [11:15] shadeslayer: Well, that should work. I'll try it. But I would really like to know what's different here. [11:16] apachelogger: is it a spaceship [11:16] a jenkins+lxc based spaceship [11:16] Yeah, much cool [11:18] Riddell: Better Together - Luke Wright on Scottish Indepen…: http://youtu.be/g_1ugSSiqsE [11:32] Riddell: ubiquity reverted yet ? [11:58] seriously considering reverting to plasma 4 on my desktop pc ... plasma 5 isn't configurable enough even for testing. I don't like the look at all. It's extremely bland and I don't consider myself any more visually oriented than the norm. [12:01] BluesKaj: reckon one should file bugs and/or send mails [12:02] apachelogger, the bugs are obvious ..nothing works in terms of colours or themes except the defaults [12:03] obvious != reported [12:03] hmm I can select colors otherr than default [12:04] Are you using the new ISO, just curious? [12:04] you can select but do the colours change ? [12:04] yup [12:04] sgclark, yes [12:04] theyt don't here [12:05] reckon one should be filing a bug [12:05] BluesKaj: ok, perhaps something there, I am not, I tossed it after no power settings [12:05] what apachelogger said ^ [12:06] something is definitely not right [12:06] some things are not right :) [12:07] shadeslayer: no I think we can just release note that you need to remove maybe-ubiquity, it's the first beta of a tech preview so that's fine for me [12:07] I dont think that's acceptable , but you are the release manager [12:08] No one reads the release notes [12:08] look how professionally I abused cppcheck to get lintian data into jenkins xD http://i.imgur.com/547rtVR.png [12:08] Fact [12:08] sgclark, apachelogger: straw poll for plasma 5, revert ubiquity or tell people to remove maybe-ubiquity from boot line? [12:08] revert [12:08] IMO telling people to remove things from bootline can end badly [12:08] testing really shouldn't be *more* of an effort than it already is :P [12:09] apachelogger: not upworthy enough [12:09] ok I'll revert and rebuild [12:09] shadeslayer: what is an upworthy? [12:10] http://www.upworthy.com/ [12:11] internet weird [12:11] Yes [12:13] 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED [12:13] patching file startkde/CMakeLists.txt [12:13] god I love patches [12:23] "patches are awesome" apachelogger circa 2014 [12:27] that's not what I said now is it [12:42] uh [12:43] the patch has a fuzz [12:43] omg [12:43] world will end right here right now [13:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta1/Kubuntu ← proofreaders needed! [13:34] Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/utopic as the KDE5 link is broken [13:35] jmux: right I'm hoping that's where it'll appear once it's published but nothing is published yet [13:35] still testing for now [13:38] My 6 students started development with "EasyHacks" on LO this week, so I hope I can find one starting on the KDE5 backend in two weeks... [13:38] jmux: ooh nice [13:38] * jmux + 2 collegues + the students will be on the LLOconf in Bern next week [13:38] jmux: probably the easier way to start will be with the breeze icon theme [13:39] jmux: then the widgets for the brave [13:39] jmux: do you know how themes get set for libreoffice? We have the oxygen theme installed on the kubuntu-plasma5 image but it doesn't get picked [13:40] Riddell: I know there was a bug regarding icon themes a few weeks ago changing the theme pickup - sek - have to check the ML. [13:41] They dropped a bunch of defaults and changed some stuff to fix it on MS Win [13:46] Riddell: Guess this'll take a little buit longer, as I have to leave for a call. I'll check after the call and report back. [14:13] Riddell: did the ISO rebuilds go through? [14:14] Last one I see has 2.19.3 [14:14] Ubiquity that is [14:15] shadeslayer: 2.19.4 just landed and I started a rebuild [14:15] should appear shortly [14:15] Okie [14:15] not a fast process this [14:15] Keep a eye on those basis [14:15] shadeslayer: do you think the permissions issues we saw will have gone? [14:16] *beasties [14:16] Riddell: should go away [14:16] shadeslayer: was that something up in sddm ? [14:16] I think so [14:16] We will find out soon enough :p [14:17] :) [14:17] Riddell: good news, I don't have a cold [14:17] umm.. [14:17] Though I still have to take drugs to keep my throat from exploding [14:17] but if you're ill that means you have something else? [14:17] Yeah, throat inflammation [14:18] but not caused by a cold virus? [14:18] Yep [14:18] that sounds like a symptom rather than a diagnosis [14:18] I know.. I've seen House enough times [14:19] :P [14:19] Well they gave me drugs and sent me home, good enough for ne [14:19] *me [14:20] Riddell: could be a general inflammation from something in the air [14:20] ..like a cold virus :) [14:21] maybe it's lupus? [14:21] (there's always a suggestion of lupus in House) [14:21] *shrug* could be that I had a cold.... [14:21] Lol [14:21] Yeah lupus :p [14:21] I know :p [14:21] Hi [14:21] Michael! [14:22] It is I! [14:22] what's going on here? http://paste.kde.org/povko21ly why can't I run cmake to compile this qt5 app? [14:23] Quintasan: just in time to test the plasma 5 images? [14:23] plasma 5 you say? [14:23] I'm downloading the regular image as we speak [14:23] Might as well as test the new one. [14:25] Quintasan: great, new one should appear shortly so zsync that when it appears, current one is dead [14:26] or you mean the plasma4 image? that needs testing too :) [14:27] I'll test both [14:28] yay [14:28] oh and upgrade on i386 still needs tested :) === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:42] ok plasma4 back on the desktop. I'll stick to testing this since it's more to my taste. [14:46] did you file bugs? [14:50] oh I've started logging plasma5 bugs under kubuntu-ppa and tagged plasma5 [14:51] xD [14:51] I just did a solid build from jenkins [14:51] muhahaha [14:52] is it decided yet if neon has a future? [14:52] why is that worthy of a muhahaha? [14:53] why wouldn't it be? [14:54] well doesn't jenkins build solid all the time? [14:54] along with everything else? [14:54] or is this a special package of solid from CP? [14:55] CP [14:57] " Wrapper around checkUpload for the web service API. " such documentation [15:00] Riddell: Current Icon theme is read from KDE4 global config: http://paste.debian.net/118013/ [15:01] ah so the oxygen theme looks for what to set the icon theme? [15:01] maybe oxygen theme not working because oxygen qt4 theme isn't installed stops it finding the icon theme [15:06] Riddell: This is the LO internal settings. AFAIK you need to place a ZIP file with the icons. This doesn't use any system icons. [15:07] In my development installation I have instdir/share/config/images_oxygen.zip. [15:08] My Debian Wheezy has the zips in /usr/share/libreoffice/share/config/ [15:10] AFAIK current master LO (4.4) dropped the "image_" prefix of the zips. Just saw that the LO oxygen style is in pkg libreoffice-style-oxygen in trusty [15:11] Christ the USB creator is so horrible [15:11] Riddell: Path to lo oxygen zip in trusty is /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/config/images_oxygen.zip [15:11] fix it? ^^ [15:11] Jonathan wanted to remove it from the seed [15:12] Horrible I say [15:12] It's pythj [15:12] python [15:12] well, that's bad, not horrible... [15:13] I can take a look at that but don't expect anything [15:13] rather ask for more pressing things to waste your time on [15:16] Quintasan: I did remove it from the plasma5 seed but since it's horribly broken (both gtk and qt frontends) I guess it should be removed entirely [15:16] or fixed [15:16] I'd say the latter [15:16] If the gtk is broken as well then let's just say lol nope [15:16] I use mkusb anyways [15:16] I do think it's important to fix so that would be much appreciated if you could look at it [15:16] what's mkusb? [15:17] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 [15:17] hmm, a shell script [15:17] hardly something I'd be keen to advocate to our users [15:19] but it makes me really sad to be shipping broken software or telling people to use dd :( [15:21] especially where that software is needed to install the OS at all [15:23] Riddell: Funny thing is that dd has the higest success rate if you manage to choose the device wisely [15:23] It just works [15:24] highest success and highest danger rate ^^ [15:26] I noticed myself typing of=/dev/sdb yesterday, good thing I did as that's the new SSD disk I installed [15:28] hmm [15:28] the installer fails here [15:28] (plasma 5) [15:28] Quintasan: what language? [15:28] Polish [15:29] yeah known bug, non-english is broken :( [15:29] I'll just install utopic plasma 4 and work on top of that [15:29] it's just as broken there [15:29] that obviously needs fixed [15:29] bug 1182784 [15:29] bug 1182784 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install with non English language fails on Keyboard: "ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 141" or "Installer Crashed"" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182784 [15:32] Christ. [15:35] There are virtually no logs for this [15:35] Bloody hell all those people +1'ing it [15:37] shadeslayer: yay premissions issue fixed in plasma5 [15:37] Quintasan: seems there are people out there who don't speak english [15:37] Riddell: Yes, but +1'ing it in comments without any backtrace is not very useful [15:38] shrug, it makes people happy, look how popular the Like button is on facebook [15:38] there's an affects me button at the top... [15:38] maybe we should make that neon yellow [16:24] hmm powerdevil not great https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674 [16:24] KDE bug 337674 in general "kded5 is eating CPU" [Normal,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo] [16:40] Riddell: yeah :-( [16:40] Riddell: makes utopic-plasma5 no pleasure [17:02] so bugs for plasma5 images.. in kubuntu-ppa product and tagged plasma5 ? [17:29] uh, plasma5 i386 has the permissions problem :( [17:29] what the heck? [17:29] shadeslayer: any idea why i386 would but not amd64? [17:35] wait.. it does work in virtualbox [17:35] maybe I got my dd command wrong! [17:35] * Riddell checks he still has a functioning hard disk [17:35] * apachelogger has failing jenkins jobs when the launchpad build fails \o/ [17:37] apachelogger: sweet! [17:43] anyone used unetbootin? should we use it instead of usb-creator-kde? [17:43] Quintasan: ↑ [17:45] someone could like fix usb-creator maybe [17:49] sudo dd if=kubuntu5-201408281428-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sde [17:50] Riddell: u using uefi maybe? [17:50] actulaly [17:50] Riddell: did you try in vbox simply? [17:51] apachelogger: yes it's using uefi [17:52] Riddell: that iso wouldn't support uefi [17:52] my virtualbox is busy with plasma5 tests but should be free in a bit [17:52] kthx [17:52] meh but I still can't get kubuntu-plasma5 i386 to work on real hardware, this is weird [17:54] shadeslayer: I think I can hear your heartbeat [17:59] I take it back about unetbootin, I can't work out how to copy the ISO to my usb drive [18:02] sgclark: I don't suppose you can test kubuntu-plasma5 i386 ISO? [18:02] or anyone else? [18:07] I am fixing packaging for powerdevil atm and half asleep, only got 4 hours sleep :( [18:08] sgclark: fair enough then [18:08] sgclark: you think there's a packaging issue? [18:08] apachelogger: your iso boots into plasma 5 all good [18:08] yup, we had d-bus file in -dev package [18:09] hmm, dbus files are tricksy, there's a few different types [18:09] apachelogger: want me to check anything? [18:09] I went through that thread [18:09] and this one needs to be around at runtime [18:10] Riddell: that's it thanks [18:14] kubuntu-plasma5 iso definately busted on i386 [18:15] Riddell: and I don't know that this will end all issues, it sounds like there is more to that story [18:15] yeah I don't think it will but let's see what happens [18:16] kubuntu-plasma5 iso definately works on amd64 [18:16] that is weird [18:16] mega weird [18:17] on different machines or the same iso in two places? [18:17] let me try again.. [18:17] on different machines or the same machine with two ISOs [18:20] d_ed: virtualbox and real hardware [18:20] weird permissions issue exists on i386 but not on amd64 [18:21] and that's after I reverted the ubiquity-dm not being able to transition to sddm issue (so it doesn't load ubiquity-dm now) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - ¡My eyebrows are going to cede! | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ [18:40] sgclark: I reported bug 1362756 and bug 1362751 [18:40] bug 1362756 in Kubuntu PPA "powermanagement kcm broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362756 [18:40] bug 1362751 in Kubuntu PPA "powerdevil makes kded have 100% CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362751 [18:44] Riddell: ok. I don't seem to have second issue. As for the first yeah all the logs say powermanagement loaded successfully... [18:44] hey Riddell sgclark [18:44] hey ahoneybun [18:44] hi ahoneybun, you're just in time for the first beta release featuring plasma5 images [18:45] Riddell: am I ? [18:45] and to fix the 12 bugs I just reported :) http://goo.gl/B527rj [18:46] Riddell: I will download the new images and test first thing in the morning err night err whatever I am lol. I should hopefully get more than 4 hours sleep [18:46] Riddell: I think you know I know nothing of bug fixing [18:48] sgclark: we'll be releasing in an hour or so, so it's not urgent after that but more testing always good [18:49] Riddell: ahh ok my apologies then, new schedule was going fine till last night. [18:51] maybe I will try my hand at a bug or two :) [18:54] ahoneybun: but you can.. proofread! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta1/Kubuntu [18:55] Riddell: is there anything else to do for the Docs> [18:56] Riddell: there are doubles of (1362598) No Install icon on desktop and (1362599) ubiquity-dm does not run on kubuntu plasma5 images [18:57] plus the kde plasma 5 link is dead [18:57] sgclark: bug 1362752 will test your shell scripting :) [18:57] bug 1362752 in Kubuntu PPA "no SDDM autologin even if ubiquity box is set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362752 [18:57] ahoneybun: plasma5 link should come alive once it's published [18:57] ok [18:58] ahoneybun: duplicate links killed thanks [18:58] Riddell: sweet [18:58] ahoneybun: I don't think docs have been touched this cycle [18:58] they have not [18:58] I wish that docs.kubuntu.org could look better [18:59] I thought we moved to wiki? [18:59] the kubuntu-docs document is still docbook generating html for khelpcenter and docs.kubuntu.org [18:59] Riddell: challenge accepted [19:01] tomorrow that is, off to relax a few and get some sleep. [19:06] sleep well [19:44] I downloaded a ISO the otherday. that was to supose to be plasma5 but it turned out to be kde 4.14.... is kubuntu using the ppa repo or it's own for that ? [19:48] MichaelP: the use our own PPA for plasma 5 [19:49] MichaelP: you just downloaded the wrong ISO, the right one will have plasma 5 on it [19:50] Riddell: i clicked on the plasma 5 32 bit.... [19:50] but the md5 you posted was for the plasma 4 image :) [19:51] maybe the iso on the 32 bit was mixed up in the directory on the server [19:52] Riddell: how can I checkout the source for the kubuntu ubiquity installer? simply check out ubiquity? [19:53] So it still using the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next repo [19:53] Riddell: nevermind [19:54] MichaelP: yep === CodePulsar is now known as SkyLizard [19:58] Riddell: i notice on kde site it says apt update ...apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop ... apt full upgrade..... another site says... apt update ... apt dist-upgrade ... apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop .... whats the right way [19:58] the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade [20:00] only aptitude has full-upgrade, apt would be dist-upgrade (they both pretty much do the same thing) [20:01] er [20:01] apt does have full-upgrade actually (when did they add that...) [20:01] so it doesn't really matter what you use, both ways get you to the same destination [20:03] just woundered... cause i done apt apt full-upgrade before.. and ended up having to still upgrade plasma-desktop in order to have plasma in login screen [20:06] apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade [20:06] I like the new "apt" over "apt-get" now [20:06] except it doesn't do everything [20:07] MichaelP: what sites are you looking at? [20:07] http://www.sysads.co.uk/2014/08/kubuntu-plasma-5-14-10-utopic-unicorn-daily-build-released/ .... https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu === SkyLizard is now known as DrSkyLizard === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [20:20] oh he left [20:21] finaly power management working in plasma5 [20:24] oh? [20:24] maybe sgclark did some magic for it [20:27] where is dolphin now in frameworks? (not the kde version) [20:27] is there a git repository? [20:28] (not the kde4 version I meant:-) [20:28] kde-baseapps I think [20:28] use the frameworks branch [20:30] # [20:31] shadeslayer: whats the name of the frameworks branch exactly? [20:31]