[05:41] <pitti> can someone please review https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/i18n-fixes/+merge/232507 ?
[05:41] <pitti> I'd like to land that and https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/messaging-app/i18n-send/+merge/228941 today
[05:41] <pitti> (simple i18n fixes)
[05:46] <vk> Hello?
[05:47] <vk> Is anyone here?
[05:48] <vk> I have a problem.I have installed ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 2013.
[05:49] <vk> Then,I want to build a driver for my wifi card(using ar9271)
[05:49] <vk> But,the /lib/modules directory is read only
[05:49] <vk> what should i do
[05:59] <RAOF> You can remount it read-write (at your own risk; system-image updates can be surprised by that)
[06:00] <vk> I tried that ,but it doesn't work
[06:01] <vk> just "write-protected"
[06:01] <vk> "mount: cannot remount block device /dev/loop1 read-write, is write-protected"
[06:05] <vk> can anyone help me?
[06:11] <[mbm]> check the permissions of the "file" used for the loopback
[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[06:24] <mokmeister> Using the terminal, I cannot "cd ../blah" as autocomplete pushes the .. up against the cd, is there a way to turn autocomplete off?
[06:24] <mokmeister> good morning dholbach
[06:24] <dholbach> hi mokmeister
[06:25] <mokmeister> how are you this morning dholbach
[06:25] <mokmeister> It's a nice sunny morning here in Ireland, typical with the kids going back to school today! :)
[06:26] <dholbach> I'm doing well - thanks... I woke up much too early today, so I decided to go for a run - really beautiful to see the mist rise from the canal in the sunshine this morning
[06:27] <mokmeister> Ah, the only time to wake up too early is if it's still dark!
[06:28] <mokmeister> I love waking up early myself, it's a beautiful time of day
[06:36] <mokmeister> Question: Is there a way (app, terminal) to read the received signal strength for your phone?
[07:45] <tsdgeos> pitti: ping
[07:45] <pitti> hey tsdgeos
[07:45] <tsdgeos> pitti: Send is still not in the pot in messaging-app
[07:46] <pitti> tsdgeos: right, that branch still needs to land
[07:46] <pitti> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/messaging-app/i18n-send/+merge/228941
[07:46] <tsdgeos> ok
[07:46] <pitti> it was created 4 weeks ago :/
[07:46] <pitti> tsdgeos: I also found some more broken strings, sent https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/i18n-fixes/+merge/232507 today
[07:46] <tsdgeos> colour me official confused as to why you rejected mine then
[07:46] <tsdgeos> but ok
[07:46] <pitti> it used %1 (correct) for singular, but %s (false) for plural
[07:47] <pitti> tsdgeos: it would have collided with trunk as that now has a POT updated
[07:47] <pitti> s/collided/conflicted/
[07:47] <pitti> and dpm's older MP already has the "Sent" (without conflicts)
[07:48] <pitti> tsdgeos: I was told it's better to just directly push POT updates to trunk instead of MPs, as merges are notoriously going to conflict on the pot
[07:48] <pitti> *throws hand in air* all too complicated and slow :(
[07:48] <pitti> tsdgeos: sorry for the confusion
[08:27] <zgd> hello
[08:28] <zgd> Is the ubuntu phone rom is ready for MX4 ?
[08:49] <popey> zgd: not seen anyone working on one.
[09:36] <pitti> strawpoll: should apport on RTM file bugs against ubuntu or ubuntu-rtm?
[09:36] <pitti> ubuntu-rtm would be technically more correct, but it's one more place to subscribe to/look at
[09:37] <pitti> asac, lool-, seb128, ogra_, jibel ^
[09:37] <ogra_> i would go for ubuntu
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, I prefer ubuntu
[09:37] <seb128> for the same reason we don't track bugs on the upstream projects for settings and some others
[09:38] <seb128> duplicate lists are not manageable easily
[09:38] <asac> pitti: ubuntu-rtm is my feel ... does this have implications on error tracker?
[09:38] <asac> if so we should ensure that that thing can deal with it
[09:38] <asac> hehe
[09:38] <asac> well, i dont mind in the end
[09:38] <pitti> asac: I'm not sure, but it shouldn't
[09:38] <asac> hmm.
[09:38] <asac> pitti: guess lets have it report against ubuntu
[09:39] <asac> i think we have dashboards that also look there that would need changing etc.
[09:39] <pitti> ok, then we only need to fix base-files to recgonize ubuntu-rtm
[09:39] <asac> we can still cange it later i guess
[09:39] <pitti> same as the fix for add-apt-repository (bug 1361213)
[09:39] <pitti> asac: yes, we can
[09:39] <asac> thought colin said that that issue isnt an issue anymore?
[09:39] <ogra_> asac, ubuntu-rtm means we need to set up bugtracking for all the packages in LP
[09:39] <ogra_> i think
[09:40] <pitti> asac: it is, lsb_release and /etc/os-release are still wrong
[09:40] <ogra_> pitti, according to colin thats not the issue with add-apt-repo
[09:40] <pitti> e. g. apport complains that your packages aren't official
[09:40] <pitti> ogra_: it's not the only issue, yes
[09:40] <ogra_> pitti, seems there are LP features missing to make add-apt-repo work
[09:40] <pitti> right, it's apparently necessary but not sufficient
[09:41] <ogra_> well, he said something like "totally unrelated"
[09:41] <pitti> but we need a correct /etc/os-release / lsb_release for apport, too
[09:41] <ogra_> when i asked about lsb
[09:43] <asac> pitti: can you try to catch colin later today and agree on what really needs doing? I think you having the discussion with him directly is most effective.
[09:44] <asac> or just do whatever it takes :)
[09:44] <asac> if you know what it takes
[09:44] <pitti> asac: right; I'm currently investigating bug 1362496, and that at least needs the os-release fixed
[09:44] <ogra_> pitti, well, just do an rtm only upload for that
[09:45] <pitti> yes, yes (still testing, though)
[09:45] <ogra_> :)
[09:45] <asac> thanks pitti
[09:49] <pitti> ok, apport is happy with fixed os-release
[10:00] <pitti> asac, ogra_, cjwatson: I attached a debdiff to review to bug 1362496, but I don't know how to upload it
[10:01] <asac> dput?
[10:01] <asac> :)
[10:01] <asac> lol
[10:02] <asac> pitti: ppa -> copy-package  if you dont know where the upload queue is i guess
[10:02] <asac> hehe
[10:02] <pitti> asac: heh
[10:03] <ogra_> pitti, commented
[10:03] <ogra_> just dput to an rtm only silo
[10:04] <pitti> ogra_: how would that mangle the version? it can't change debian/changelog (that would invalidate my gpg sig)
[10:04] <ogra_> it doesnt mangle the version
[10:04] <ogra_> you need to do that
[10:04] <pitti> I used 7.2ubuntu6rtm1
[10:04] <ogra_> the version gets mangled during copy from utopic->rtm
[10:05] <pitti> ~rtm1 is wrong, as it's smaller than utopic's
[10:05] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/date.html#start
[10:05] <ogra_> here is the -changes ml
[10:05] <pitti> no, copying packages doesn't mangle anything
[10:05] <ogra_> and yes, ~rtm12 is wrong
[10:05] <ogra_> ~rtm-0ubuntu1
[10:05] <ogra_> seems that is what is auto-added
[10:06] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/000178.html
[10:06] <pitti> that seems auto-added by the CI train, not by dput or copy-package or anything (that wuold be really wrong and weird)
[10:06] <ogra_> looks like somenone cant make his mind up ?
[10:06] <ogra_> i guess as long as the ubuntu revision is higher than whats in ubuntu you are fine
[10:07] <ogra_> pitti, counter example :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/000191.html
[10:07] <ogra_> sil2100, Mirv ... do we have a properly defined versioning scheme for rtm ?
[10:07] <ogra_> seems there are random patterns being used
[10:08] <sil2100> ogra_: you mean, official versioning?
[10:08] <pitti> ogra_: either way, the version is determined by the uploader (i. e. the CI train in those cases)
[10:08] <sil2100> For CI Train?
[10:08] <ogra_> sil2100, compare teh versioning of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/000178.html to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/000191.html
[10:08] <sil2100> Yeah, so this is the official one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/000191.html
[10:08] <ogra_> one puts ~rtm in front, the other appends it
[10:08] <ogra_> ok
[10:09] <Mirv> right
[10:09] <pitti> sil2100: base-files isn't train-ified, so I'd need a direct upload; would 7.2ubuntu6rtm1 be ok?
[10:09] <sil2100> 13.10.0+14.10.20140819-0ubuntu1~rtm1 <- this I actually do not know where it came from, hm, I could have checked the version before pressing publish
[10:09] <pitti> 13.10.0+14.10 ??
[10:10] <sil2100> Yeah, that's normal, but the ~rtm1 appended at the end is not anything we agreed on
[10:10]  * sil2100 needs to send out an e-mail about the versioning
[10:10] <ogra_> sergiusens, hey, where is that wikipage about the system-image versioning (i know it exists but cant find it)
[10:11] <sil2100> pitti: one moment ;)
[10:12] <ogra_> sergiusens, ah, found it, ignore
[10:13] <sil2100> pitti: not sure about base-files, as it has a bit strange looking versioning... the general scheme needs to be that any new ubuntu release should be higher version-wise than ubuntu-rtm
[10:13] <pitti> sil2100: right; current utopic has 7.2ubuntu6, so I appended rtm1, so that it's smaller than the next ubuntu upload, but bigger than the curretn RTM version
[10:14] <pitti> sil2100: which RTM silo could I use for uploading?
[10:15] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu-rtm&q= -> e. g. silo 020?
[10:15] <sil2100> pitti: fill in a landing and we'll assign it for you
[10:15] <pitti> sil2100: ah, ok
[10:15] <sil2100> CI Train is auto-assigning to free ones ;)
[10:18] <pitti> sil2100: done (line 61)
[10:19] <pitti> sil2100: hm, someone filled "base-files" as "additional source packages to land"; is that correct? I don't want to land the one from utopic (that's already in RTM)
[10:21] <sil2100> pitti: no worries, the additional sources to land need to be filled in even if you do a direct upload to the PPA
[10:22] <sil2100> pitti: since CI Train needs to know what you want to release through the silo
[10:22] <pitti> sil2100: ack; sorry for being paranoid, but I suppose that migth be the first upload of that kind
[10:23] <sil2100> pitti: silo ubuntu-rtm 19 is ready for you :)
[10:23] <pitti> cheers!
[10:24] <pitti> now off to configuring apport retracers for RTM..
[10:25] <pitti> Rejected:
[10:25] <pitti> Unable to find distroseries: 14.09
[10:25] <pitti> Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error.
[10:25] <pitti> or not
[10:25] <pitti> halp
[10:29] <pitti> sil2100: ^
[10:29] <sil2100> hmm?
[10:30] <pitti> Distribution: 14.09
[10:30] <sil2100> pitti: are you sure you wanted to dput to the ubuntu-rtm silo?
[10:30] <ogra_> pitti, did you adjust your dput.cf ?
[10:30] <pitti> dput ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-019 base-files_7.2ubuntu6rtm1_source.changes
[10:30] <ogra_> s/ubuntu/ubuntu-rtm/ in the ppa section
[10:30] <sil2100> pitti: you need ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu-rtm/landing-019
[10:30] <ogra_> else it dputs to a regular ubuntu PPA
[10:30] <sil2100> pitti: and as ogra_ mentioned, a modified dput.cf
[10:30] <pitti> sil2100: ah, I just copied the PPA isntruction page; thanks!
[10:30] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, that's still broken... :|
[10:31] <ogra_> yeah, its still a bit messed up
[10:31] <sil2100> Not much we can do ourselves to fix that
[10:31] <sil2100> As it's per what launchpad says
[10:31] <pitti> what would I put into ~/.dput.cf?
[10:31] <ogra_> see above ... the normal ppa section
[10:31] <pitti> the extra /ubuntu-rtm/ in the dput command isn't sufficient?
[10:31] <ogra_> but with s/ubuntu/ubuntu-rtm/
[10:32] <pitti> ogra_: there's no hardcoded "ubuntu" in the PPA
[10:32] <ogra_> oh, nonsense, sorry
[10:32] <pitti> [ppa]
[10:32] <pitti> fqdn……………………………………………………= ppa.launchpad.net
[10:32] <pitti> method………………………………………………= ftp
[10:32] <pitti> incoming…………………………………………= ~%(ppa)s
[10:32] <pitti> login…………………………………………………= anonymous
[10:32] <pitti> I take it fixing the dput command is sufficient
[10:32] <ogra_> this is mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/8167762/
[10:33] <pitti> ogra_: ah, that's the default
[10:33] <ogra_> no
[10:33] <ogra_> the ubuntu is the default
[10:33] <pitti> and there it goes!
[10:33] <pitti> sil2100, ogra_: thanks for the help; so fixing the dput command to add teh distro is sufficient
[10:34] <sil2100> :)
[10:34] <sil2100> yw!
[10:34] <pitti> ogra_: maybe that was fixed in utopic? (you are still on trusty, no?)
[10:34] <pitti> anyway, all good
[10:34] <ogra_> yeah
[10:47] <pitti> ok, apport retracers (for LP) now know about RTM, I notified bdmurray for errors.u.c.
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: do you want to test https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-019/+packages for bug 1362496 (apport failure)?
[10:48] <jibel> pitti, yes
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: or want me to? (I already tested with a local build)
[10:48] <jibel> pitti, that's fine I'll do it
[10:53] <jgdx> brendand, hey, running[1] on desktop, is that setup accurate? Is that all you need? [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings#Wi-Fi
[10:54] <jgdx> I can't get the wifi panel in uss to see my connected wifi network
[10:54] <brendand> jgdx, 'these instructions were correct at the time of writing' :)
[10:55] <brendand> jgdx, let me see about updating system-settings and see if it works
[10:55] <brendand> jgdx, do you have two network indicators?
[10:56] <jgdx> brendand, thanks. No, I don't.
[10:56] <vitimiti> Is there a place I should go to if I wanted some examples of good QML applications to learn from them?
[10:56] <brendand> jgdx, oh - you should definitely get one
[10:56] <brendand> jgdx, i haven't upgraded utopic in ages though
[10:56] <brendand> i'm scared to :/
[10:56] <jgdx> I'm on the bleeding edge – much brave
[10:57] <jgdx> brendand, but this works for you?
[10:57] <brendand> jgdx, yeah
[10:57] <brendand> jgdx, what do you get from initctl start indicator-network?
[10:57] <jgdx> vitimiti, all the core apps are open source. You could start there. :)
[10:57] <jgdx> brendand, normal output
[10:58] <jgdx> but let me do a reboot
[10:58] <vitimiti> jgdx, thanks
[10:59] <jgdx> brendand, indicator-network start/running, process 4104
[10:59] <brendand> jgdx, seems fine
[11:00] <jgdx> brendand, still just one indicator though :|
[11:00] <jgdx> vitimiti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[11:01] <vitimiti> Thank you, jgdx, I found https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps, too
[11:02] <jgdx> vitimiti, comments might be scarce though. I recommend http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/ too
[11:04] <vitimiti> Yeah, I already followed that tutorial, I'd like to improve and wanted to see some code from other apps :)
[11:14] <pitti> can someone please review the trivial fix in https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/i18n-fixes/+merge/232507 ?
[11:24] <jgdx> brendand, do I need any packages besides indicator-network? When I stop indicator-network, I get "Unknown instance". Seems to be it aint started.
[11:24] <jgdx> s/be/me
[11:35] <brendand> jgdx, not that i know of. cyphermox would know more
[11:37] <sergiusens> jgdx: brendand reason for that to happen is dbus session died or you are running it for the "wrong" user
[11:38] <jgdx> or possibly #1351326
[11:38] <ogra_> note you can only restart session jobs as session owner ... i.e. phablet user
[11:38] <jgdx> sergiusens, how do I verify either of them?
[11:38] <jgdx> this is on the desktop, though
[11:39] <ogra_> initctl list|grep indicator
[11:39] <ogra_> see if it is even in the list
[11:39] <sergiusens> jgdx: don't know about desktop
[11:39] <jgdx> ogra_, indicator-network stop/waiting
[11:40] <ogra_> well, then you cant stop it ... obviously
[11:40] <sergiusens> Unkown instance is what you get when that is the case
[11:40] <jgdx> yes, but I am trying to start it
[11:41] <ogra_> well, probably ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[11:41] <ogra_> if "start indicator-network" doesnt work ...
[11:46] <jgdx> urfkill was stopped, which made indicator-network die.
[11:48] <mardy> cjwatson: hi! given an apparmor profile ID, what would be the easiest way to find out where on disk this package resides?
[11:49] <mardy> cjwatson: I'm speaking of click, if that's not clear :-)
[12:00] <Mirv> pitti: I've run 'watch only' build for rtm-019 silo, since that's what you'd want to update the status
[12:08] <jibel> pitti, wrt silo 19 I tested lsb_release and apport. Is there anything else  to verify?
[12:09] <pitti> jibel: not really, it's not doing much else
[12:09] <pitti> jibel: thanks!
[12:09] <jibel> pitti, it all good then.
[12:09] <jibel> +'s
[12:09] <pitti> jibel: do you want to sign off at the spreadsheet, or should I?
[12:09] <pitti> Mirv: ah, thanks
[12:10] <jibel> pitti, done
[12:10] <pitti> cool, thanks
[12:10] <pitti> jibel: image #2? :)
[12:11] <jibel> pitti, yes
[12:11] <pitti> so, let's unleash this
[12:11] <pitti> jibel: oh, I thought it was a typo; we are at #10
[12:12] <jibel> pitti, 10 on mako is 2 on my other device
[12:12] <pitti> aah
[12:16] <pitti> and there ladies and gentlemen, it goes: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/base-files/7.2ubuntu6rtm1
[12:16] <pitti> and it only took four people, lots of machinery, and some confusion to change 4 lines in two text files :)
[12:23] <pitti> boiko: hey, how are you?
[12:23] <pitti> boiko: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/i18n-fixes/+merge/232507 ?
[12:24] <pitti> boiko: should be simple, but it breaks translatability
[12:24] <pitti> (and probably also will show bogus if you have more than 1 attachment)
[12:25] <pitti> boiko: after approval I'd like to land that together with https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/messaging-app/i18n-send/+merge/228941
[12:27] <boiko> pitti: hi! sure, I'll review in a few minutes, thanks for the branches, btw :)
[12:54] <Wellark> brendand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1362133
[12:54] <Wellark> can you repro easily?
[12:54] <Wellark> I would need some quick info when you are in the step "indicator shoes wifi enabled, but no networks"
[12:58] <brendand> yeah i should be able to
[12:58] <brendand> i repro'ed it in mako and krillin on utopic and rtm, so it's definitely there!
[13:06] <brendand> Wellark, hmm so i don't see it in RTM - maybe it was in utopic only
[13:06] <cwayne> davmor2: heya, do you expect rtm silo 1 to be landing today?
[13:07] <brendand> cwayne, trello board? https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing-for-questions-ping-eu-jibel-us-jfunk-nz-thomi-or-ubuntu-qa-on-ubuntu-ci-eng
[13:07] <Wellark> brendand: just ping me if you see it again
[13:07] <brendand> davmor2, hey - due date!
[13:07] <davmor2> cwayne: tested today yes
[13:07] <cwayne> brendand: yeah ive been watching that, and saw it move back to the queue yesterday, so didnt know if that was expected again today
[13:07] <cwayne> or if it was actually lookin like it might pass :)
[13:08] <davmor2> brendand: my bag, added now
[13:08] <brendand> cwayne, yeah we should try and put updates in there
[13:15] <Kaleo> anybody knows a simple way to make a screencast from the phone?
[13:37] <brendand> Wellark, ok repro'd on utopic
[13:37] <brendand> Wellark, can't in RTM though
[13:38] <Elleo> Kaleo: I think mirscreencast is the only option at the moment, but it just seems to segfault for me (also as I understand it you need to transcode the output to make it usable)
[13:38] <Elleo> Kaleo: well, that or pointing a camera at the screen :P
[13:38] <Elleo> which is what I tend to do
[13:40] <mardy> anybody knows how to get rid of the signature verification check when installing click packages from phablet-shell?
[13:42] <Kaleo> Elleo, thanks
[13:52] <Wellark> brendand: weird.. I would have imagined it being another way around
[13:54] <pmcgowan> gatox, any luck on your updates changes?
[13:54] <brendand> Wellark, why? stuff is landing in utopic that isn't in RTM right?
[13:54] <cwayne> stgraber: ping
[13:54] <stgraber> cwayne: pong
[13:55] <gatox> pmcgowan, kind of.... this morning i was FINALLY able to build the thing in the phone.... i'm about to test a branch and propose it and keep working on the other issues, i hope to close a couple of issues today
[13:55] <cwayne> stgraber: hi, could we get some -custom channels setup for the rtm channels?
[13:55] <pmcgowan> gatox, great keep e posted and let me know if you need reviews or testing
[13:56] <gatox> pmcgowan, yes, i'll need that... i'll ping you with MP
[13:58] <stgraber> cwayne: those are part of a dozen channels I'll be adding today
[13:58] <cwayne> stgraber: that'd be wonderful, thank you, we need it to test out some of our partner scopes in PES
[14:02] <brendand> Wellark, what did you want me to do now?
[14:03] <Wellark> brendand: blag,, I'm stuck in a meeting
[14:04] <Wellark> if you can't leavve the devide standing for an hour or so, then just continnue on what your are doing
[14:04] <brendand> Wellark, ok - i'll wait to hear
[14:04] <brendand> Wellark, no its just my mako, it can sit
[14:11] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, how is the unitymenumodel stuff implemented is that QML?
[14:11] <kenvandine> it's available in qml
[14:11] <pmcgowan> is the impl not qml?
[15:37] <cjwatson> daker: I have a bug already about GC not working as well as it should
[15:39] <pitti> boiko: do you have a sec for https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/i18n-fixes/+merge/232507 ? (shouldn't take long)
[15:40] <cjwatson> mardy: I forget if any of the exposed commands are helpful here.  It might be best to instantiate a Click.DB and use get_path from there, after splitting it into package/app/version by hand
[15:42] <pitti> bfiller: do you plan to release your landing-15 (with messaging-app) soon? if it's blocked by something, could we instead fold in two simple i18n fixes?
[15:43] <bfiller> pitti: hopefully today, we found issues in our testing yesterday that we are trying to fix
[15:43] <bfiller> pitti: retesting now so hopeful it will be today
[15:43] <pitti> bfiller: ah ok, so the existing PPA/build won't be released anyway?
[15:43] <pitti> bfiller: ack
[15:45] <bfiller> pitti: we have silo 15 and that will have your changes from trunk in addition to the MR's we are testing. We plan to release the entire silo as soon as its validated
[15:45] <pitti> bfiller: right, we need that in RTM, too; but I'm concerned about two MPs which haven't landed at all yet
[15:46] <pitti> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/messaging-app/i18n-send/+merge/228941 (super-simple)
[15:46] <pitti> bfiller: and https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/i18n-fixes/+merge/232507 (simple)
[15:46] <bfiller> pitti: ah ok, we can add them to the silo then
[15:46] <pitti> bfiller: the latter isn't approved yet (I've been looking for reviewers all day)
[15:47] <boiko> pitti: that one looks good, sorry for not checking earlier
[15:47] <pitti> boiko: no worries, everyone is super-busy
[15:47] <pitti> boiko: thanks!
[15:47] <pitti> bfiller: ok, it's approved now ;)
[15:47] <bfiller> pitti: great, adding to silo 15
[15:48] <pitti> bfiller: cheers
[15:50] <pitti> bfiller: you're reconfiguring to re-do the merges/rebuild the packages? or want me to?
[15:51] <bfiller> pitti: I'm on it
[15:51] <nik90> Saviq: How does one restart unity8 alone? It keeps freezing on me on devel-proposed.
[15:51] <pitti> bfiller: cool, thanks for your help!
[15:52] <nik90> Saviq: The launcher, indicators keep working. I can even launch and switch applications. The dash however stops responding to any input.
[15:55] <Saviq> nik90, that's unity8-dash
[15:55] <Saviq> nik90, so you can `restart unity8-dash`
[15:55] <Saviq> as phablet
[15:55] <nik90> ah
[15:55] <nik90> thnx
[15:56] <seb128> mpt, how would the phone know that you have e.g some clicks that need updating?
[15:56] <seb128> mpt, I'm trying to understand your "the system should know updates are available without having to check"
[16:06] <mpt> seb128, the same way it would find out to fix bug 1362518, and the same way it does on PC: by periodically checking for updates in the background.
[16:06] <mpt> You mean that isn’t happening already??
[16:09] <seb128> mpt, no, it's not
[16:09] <seb128> mpt, do we have the period defined somewhere?
[16:09] <seb128> mpt, that's why we do it when opening settings atm btw
[16:09] <seb128> mpt, so never would be better than "when opening settings" if we have the choice between those for rtm?
[16:38] <stgraber> cwayne: ok, so only adding -customized for the ubuntu-rtm channels then and skip demo and generic?
[16:38] <gatox> pmcgowan, hi, i need a review for this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/fixing-progress/+merge/232593 (i'm working on another branches for u-s-s now)
[16:38] <cwayne> stgraber: i think that's fine for now, it'd be easy enough to add them in the future if they're needed right?
[16:38] <stgraber> cwayne: yep
[16:41] <pmcgowan> gatox, I think a branch just landed you will need to merge with ...
[16:41] <pmcgowan> gatox, https://code.launchpad.net/~jpakkane/ubuntu-system-settings/cleanups/+merge/227920
[16:41] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ?^
[16:41] <gatox> pmcgowan, i just did a merge
[16:41] <pmcgowan> gatox, ah cool
[16:41] <kenvandine> yup :)
[16:41] <cwayne> stgraber: cool, thanks
[16:41] <pmcgowan> jgdx or kenvandine  can you review that MR for gatox ?
[16:42] <seb128> gatox, you have changelog conflicts
[16:42] <kenvandine> gatox, note that hasn't merged in trunk...
[16:42] <gatox> seb128, no, i already fixed that
[16:42] <seb128> oh ok
[16:42]  * seb128 reloads
[16:45] <kenvandine> boiko, i'm working on the dialpad tones toggle in system settings, using a setting from accounts service
[16:45] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/dialpad_sounds/+merge/232596
[16:45] <kenvandine> boiko, let me know what you think, you'd need the dialer-app to use it
[16:48] <kenvandine> boiko_, did you see what i said about the dialpad sounds setting?
[16:49] <boiko_> kenvandine: oups, not, sorry, DSL dropped here
[16:49] <popey> tvoss: what's the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1359866 ?
[16:49] <kenvandine>  boiko, i'm working on the dialpad tones toggle in system settings, using a setting from accounts service
[16:49] <kenvandine>  https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/dialpad_sounds/+merge/232596
[16:49] <kenvandine>  boiko, let me know what you think, you'd need the dialer-app to use it
[16:49] <popey> tvoss: it's blocking some work nik90 is doing on the clock
[16:49] <stgraber> asac: we still have a bunch of saucy channels around, can I kill all of those or do we need to keep them around for some reason?
[16:49] <tvoss> popey, haven't started looking into it
[16:49] <tvoss> popey, will likely look into it tomorrow
[16:50] <tvoss> popey, as a workaround: just start the trust-stored skeleton manually
[16:50] <nik90> tvoss: how does one do that?
[16:53] <popey> mterry: is the welcome thing with the "3 photos taken" a unity thing or a lightdm thing (i.e. where do I file bugs in that) ?
[16:53] <stgraber> ogra_: turned off import-image again as I'm adding a bunch of new devices and channels
[16:53] <tvoss> nik90, start ubuntu-location-service-trust-stored
[16:54] <mterry> popey, unity8 for the UI, libusermetrics for the datastore or how apps interact with it
[16:54] <popey> mterry: hmmm, okay, thanks.
[16:54] <ogra_> stgraber, ok ... i guess that will dealy that build that was just migrating through then
[16:54] <ogra_> sil2100, ^^^^ so dont wait for it
[16:54] <stgraber> ogra_: the latest ubuntu-rtm image is currently being processed
[16:55] <nik90> tvoss: ah ok thnx. I just needed that to get the gps coordinates from which I can show the user's location in the clock app.
[16:55] <ogra_> stgraber, ah, you didnt kil the running one ? great !
[16:55] <stgraber> nope, just waiting for it to finish now :)
[16:58] <sil2100> ACK
[17:03] <asac> stgraber: what was saucy?
[17:04] <asac> will we keep our phone v1 image?
[17:24] <kenvandine> boiko, any thoughts on the dialpad sounds setting?
[17:32] <jgdx> gatox, what happens if the iface you're creating is invalid? I have seen checks for that in other bindings.
[17:34] <gatox> jgdx_, i can add a isValid...... will do now
[17:34] <jgdx_> gatox, thanks
[17:35] <gatox> jgdx_, done
[17:36] <gatox> seb128, jgdx_ is anyone else having issues to updaate click apps?? on my phone the download of clicks apps never start... i'm trying to look at the download manager logs, but they doesn't seem to be there neither
[17:36] <seb128> gatox, wfm on wifi
[17:36] <gatox> seb128, on wifi
[17:36] <seb128> gatox, you are online right? ;-)
[17:37] <seb128> k, dunno then
[17:37] <seb128> never had issues
[17:37] <gatox> seb128, yes... i'm able to download image updates.. but click updates never starts
[17:37] <gatox> seb128, ahhh maybe wrong credentials..... i might be using staging credentials
[17:37] <gatox> so it doesn't say i don't have credentials, but those are invalids for production
[17:38] <seb128> that should display an error at least :/
[17:38] <seb128> check with ralsina or dobey I guess?
[17:38]  * ralsina has nothing to do with that nowadays 
[17:38] <gatox> seb128, ok.... yes... i'm using staging credentials... let's see if using the proper ones i can download, and i'll check the code for errors for that
[17:38] <dobey> there's nothing we can do about that right now
[17:39] <jgdx_> gatox, other than seb's comments, lgtm
[17:39] <gatox> jgdx_, ack, thanks
[17:40] <jgdx_> seb128, should I defer my approval til after your issues are adressed?
[17:40] <gatox> jgdx_, seb128 i'm going to fix that right now
[17:40] <seb128> jgdx_, would be better
[17:40] <seb128> gatox, thanks
[17:40] <jgdx_> cool :)
[17:40] <dobey> the only way to know if the credentials are valid or not is for an app to try and use them to talk to the service, and respond appropriately. supporting multiple accounts and knowing which is for staging or production, would be quite a big feature
[17:40] <gatox> seb128, i needed to modify the changelog because i was having issues with building the deb
[17:41] <seb128> gatox, right, that's a local hack, the CI is going to do the bump so no need to commit that bit
[17:41] <gatox> dobey, seb128 also, i was planning to use the Setup plugin to open online accounts..... but if i understand correctly, the plugin waits for a click app to trigger that, and is not the case for system updates, right?
[17:42] <gatox> seb128, jgdx_ changes pushed
[17:43] <sergiusens> seb128: gatox well the only way that can happen is if you tinker with the system
[17:43] <jgdx_> gatox, thanks
[17:43] <sergiusens> so it's not really a breaking end user case
[17:43] <dobey> gatox: i don't think it has to be a click app, no
[17:43] <dobey> gatox: the OnlineAccounts.client setup() should be usable from any qml
[17:44] <jgdx_> bbl
[17:44] <gatox> doanac, what confuses me was that you need to install in the system a .application file which contains an application_id that is the same as your app
[17:44] <gatox> doanac, sorry
[17:45] <gatox> dobey,  what confuses me was that you need to install in the system a .application file which contains an application_id that is the same as your app
[17:45] <gatox> dobey, and that is only for clicks, right?
[17:45] <dobey> gatox: i think that is required for clicks. i don't know if that is required for non-clicks.
[17:46] <gatox> dobey, ok, i'll just check then
[17:46] <dobey> gatox: i'd say implement the code, and if it doesn't work as expected, e-mail mardy and talk to him in the morning to make it work
[17:46] <gatox> dobey, ack, sounds reasonable
[17:47] <dobey> gatox: because, afaik, the current plan for accounts stuff for scopes, i think is to use that same api from c++
[17:48] <dobey> gatox: you might need a .application file with the app_id as "system-settings" or something, and to use that as the app_id when calling the API
[17:48] <dobey> or whatever app_id is already being set in system-settings
[17:48] <dobey> use that
[17:50] <Wellark> kenvandine: I would rather keep the "asserts" in the apn editor tree
[17:50] <Wellark> it's just a workaround for QMl's lack of standard assert tooling
[17:51] <kenvandine> Wellark, ok, from the code comments it sounded like you intended to remove them
[17:53] <Wellark> kenvandine: yes, like after being ran on production system and no errors being reported :)
[17:54] <kenvandine> i'd think we do that before landing it :)
[17:55] <pmcgowan> Wellark, did you push the fix? not seeing anything new in the mr
[18:02] <Wellark> pmcgowan: working.. on.. it..
[18:02] <Wellark> had some late design changes..
[18:04] <mterry> plars, hello!  Do you mind testing silo 009?  It has the unlock fix and some other stuff -- I'd like to confirm it works for you
[18:08] <mterry> kenvandine, any issues with landing silo 009 that has a ubuntu-system-settings branch in it?
[18:09] <kenvandine> mterry, none for me... but i think dbarth and alex-abreu are trying to get a landing of settings too
[18:09] <alex-abreu> right
[18:09] <alex-abreu> not sure it has a silo though
[18:09] <kenvandine> mterry, you rebased right?
[18:09] <kenvandine> just had a landing like an hour ago
[18:10] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, mterry was in line since yesterday :)
[18:10] <alex-abreu> :)
[18:10] <mterry> kenvandine, an hour ago?  Oh I see it's out of sync already
[18:10] <mterry> kenvandine, will rebiuld
[18:10] <kenvandine> mterry, sorry... :)
[18:10] <plars> mterry: sure, I'll give it a try at some point today - but understand I'm not the qa signoff step
[18:10] <stgraber> ogra_: krillin has now been added to the ubuntu channels
[18:11] <stgraber> working on the customized channels now
[18:11] <ogra_> stgraber, wheee, thanks !!
[18:11] <mterry> plars, yeah this is just for utopic, I don't believe we need the QA bits for that yet
[18:11] <mterry> RTM is next step
[18:11] <mterry> kenvandine, no worries  :)
[18:16] <taiebot> Anyone got a device nearby running 14.10 r 211 or 212 want to see if the bug i trigger is reproducible on another set up. I manage to get unity8 hanging in between two scopes making the device unusable. Do not know if its related to wheather scope or unity8
[18:21] <stgraber> ogra_, cwayne: all done
[18:21] <ogra_> yay
[18:21] <ogra_> asac, ^^^
[18:21] <cwayne> stgraber: awesome, thanks man
[18:22] <dobey> taiebot: i think it's just unity8 that froze
[18:23] <taiebot> dobey: is it already reported ?
[18:24] <dobey> taiebot: i am not using that scope, but unity8 just froze on my n5, after closing the clock app
[18:24] <dobey> well, it could be a mir issue too, but unity8 was not accepting any further input for me
[18:27] <taiebot> Well i can still use other apps
[18:29] <taiebot> dobey: I am having something like this http://i.imgur.com/qm0xgMR.png and i can still use the terminal app normaly but unity8 is not responding to any touch
[18:31] <dobey> taiebot: yes, like i said, unity8 is frozen :)
[18:32] <asac> stgraber: amazing, thx sir!
[18:33] <asac> ogra_: do we use same drop location approach for custom tarball?
[18:33] <asac> just curious
[18:33] <ogra_> dunno :)
[18:34] <asac> ogra_: lol
[18:34] <asac> ok
[18:34] <ogra_> asac, thats between cwayne and stgraber
[18:34] <asac> ok i assume we did something consistent there
[18:34] <asac> guess will find out soon :)
[18:35] <dobey> taiebot: i saw it freeze once while switching scopes a few images ago, but i haven't seen a reliable method of reproducing the problem. not sure what's going on
[18:39] <taiebot> dobey: I can trigger everytime but i am not sure it will be reproducible by someone else and I do not really want to wipe my phone to see if it is reproducible on a fresh install.
[18:40] <dobey> taiebot: how exactly do you trigger it reliably? if you can, please file a bug describing how
[18:42] <taiebot> By doing a set of steps but it involves quite a few so it is likely that people will never manage to reproduce. Will report it and see.
[18:53] <hackersarchangel> howdy everyone.
[18:55] <taiebot> dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-home/+bug/1362769 i am not sure it will be reproducible but let see.
[18:58] <hackersarchangel> I have a question in regards to my APN settings. I’m able to make phone calls, but I can’t send SMS.
[18:58] <hackersarchangel> Was working with Wellark the other night and he was saying that my Sprint SIM was generating a lot of contexts in the GSRP file.
[19:00] <hackersarchangel> Trying to convert my APN information over, and I’m having some confusion in regards to what I put into the file. Some of it is pretty straightforward, just not sure how to specify different types within the context like “default,mms,internet”
[19:00] <hackersarchangel> so any advice I can get would be appreciated :)
[19:02] <Wellark> awe_: i got that ofono gprs file from hackersarchangel
[19:03] <danilos> Elleo, hi, how would I go about asking for ubuntu-keyboard-serbian package to be included in the default image?
[19:03] <Wellark> hackersarchangel: right now can't help you
[19:03] <Wellark> too busy :(
[19:03] <hackersarchangel> I understand, I was just mentioning that you had taken the time to help me the other night :)
[19:04] <awe_> Wellark, hackersarchangel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1362695
[19:07] <hackersarchangel> Gotcha. So is there anything you would like me to try? I can delete all the extra provisioning and see if that takes hold.
[19:15] <kenvandine> mterry, yay... a fix for bug 1361137
[19:15] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah that took a bit longer than I wanted
[19:16]  * kenvandine anxiously awaits CI to get debs :)
[19:16] <kenvandine> mterry, thanks a ton for fixing it!
[19:18] <pmcgowan> bah it failed kenvandine  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/fixing-progress/+merge/232593
[19:19] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ah... that CI failure is 2 revs behind the latest
[19:19] <kenvandine> maybe gatox already fixed it
[19:20] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, why would CI run on an outdated rev?
[19:21] <gatox> pmcgowan, what do i need to do?? kenvandine i already fixed what seb128 mentioned there
[19:21] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, CI was already running on rev 955
[19:22] <kenvandine> gatox, not sure... look at that failure to see if it might be related to something you changed since 955
[19:22] <kenvandine> and hope you've already fixed it :)
[19:23] <kenvandine> ah
[19:23] <kenvandine> that looks like a transient error
[19:23] <gatox> kenvandine,there are 5 tests failing it seems
[19:24] <hackersarchangel> Also I noticed on my Nexus 5 it is turning the screen off during boot up, so I’m going to look around at startup and see if I can figure out what is triggering that.
[19:24] <hackersarchangel> Because that would be nice to have all the time.
[19:24] <dobey> eh?
[19:25] <kenvandine> gatox, the shell crashed, i think
[19:26] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8171720/
[19:26] <kenvandine> gatox, ^^
[19:26] <dobey> hackersarchangel: if you're referring to the backlight issue, it is not being turned off at any point during boot, for me at least
[19:26] <hackersarchangel> dobey: it is for me.
[19:26] <hackersarchangel> It generally does when the Ubuntu logo is spinning. Once I turn the screen on though it stays on.
[19:27] <dobey> hackersarchangel: the backlight stays on during that time. it just has low brightness until you turn the screen on, it seems
[19:27] <hackersarchangel> No no
[19:27] <hackersarchangel> I mean it seriously looks off.
[19:27] <hackersarchangel> I can tell the difference.
[19:28] <hackersarchangel> It would have to be so low as to appear to be off.
[19:29] <dobey> it's pretty low, if you are in a well lit room, it might appear to be off. but if you turn the phone and look at the screen from an angle closer to the edge, you'll see it's still on
[19:29] <dobey> at least, that's what i see here, and i don't see why it'd be different for you
[19:29] <jdstrand> oh, 'lock when idle'! :)
[19:30] <hackersarchangel> I did this in a dark room.
[19:30] <hackersarchangel> No light just to make sure I wasn’t imagining it.
[19:30] <kenvandine> jdstrand, yeah :-D
[19:33] <hackersarchangel> never mind, I just rebooted. I guess I was sleepy.
[19:33] <hackersarchangel> and thought it was off.
[19:33] <hackersarchangel> Sigh,
[19:34] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, so a bunch of tests unrelated to his change failed?
[19:35] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, yeah, unity8 crashed
[19:35] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, but CI should still be running on his latest revision
[19:36] <kenvandine> hopefully that'll pass
[19:36] <hackersarchangel> I was having that issue earlier, ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and that solved it.
[19:36] <hackersarchangel> Did a bunch of language updates and unity8 updates and it worked after a reboot.
[19:36] <hackersarchangel> maybe it was an older package flagged as an update?
[19:40] <hackersarchangel> Hmmm. Removed all the other provisioned items and still unable to send an SMS message. But I can still call people. So weird, unless calling is agnostic of APN’s.
[19:41]  * kenvandine goes to eat... bbiab
[19:47] <hackersarchangel> Noticing that it’s not selecting cellular data, so I’ll have to double my APN settings, write them down on hard copy. What would I need to grab from *#*#3282#*#* to make sure I’m pulling the right info?
[19:47] <hackersarchangel> I was looking up create-internet-context but I’m not sure if that is totally necessary or if that would even work.
[19:50] <jdstrand> nice, dekko is working for me again (0.2.5) and works on cell data
[19:59] <popey> jdstrand: do you use it for your canonical mail?
[20:00] <jdstrand> popey: 'kinda'
[20:00] <popey> hah
[20:00] <jdstrand> popey: I don't use gmail so I haven't had mail on my device for a long time
[20:01] <jdstrand> popey: but back before I started dogfooding touch over a year ago, I would use k9 mail
[20:01] <popey> oh you're a mutt fanboy aren't you? ☻
[20:01] <jdstrand> popey: actually, I am not. I used to be, but I like to clearly see new mail and with mutt I would miss things
[20:02] <jdstrand> popey: so I setup a second 'mobile' account with procmail rules to exclude sensitive mail
[20:03] <jdstrand> popey: (eg, the mobile account won't get LP email or embargoed mail)
[20:03] <jdstrand> that is what I used with k9 last year and what I can use now with dekko
[20:03] <jdstrand> yay!
[20:06] <SturmFlut> What is the current state of the Ubuntu SDK? Which version of Ubuntu on the Desktop and which image version on the phone should I use? I tried a couple of combinations today and couldn't get my webapp running on the phone.
[20:11]  * dobey wonders how to get data working again on his n5
[20:11] <SturmFlut> The Qt Creator plugin for Ubuntu Touch webapps creates a .desktop file which calls "webapp-container" binary with the right arguments. On the desktop it works, but the "webapp-container" binary on the phone seems to be a completely different thing. It doesn't accept any of the command line parameters the version on my desktop does.
[20:14] <SturmFlut> Which I don't really understand, since the webapp-container package is installed in exactly the same version on both platforms
[20:15] <SturmFlut> webapp-container_0.23+14.10.20140826-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb versus webapp-container_0.23+14.10.20140826-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[20:20] <mterry> kenvandine, USS is in sync for RTM right?
[20:30] <ajalkane> Is Qt5's GridLayout QML component not available in Ubuntu Touch or am I making some stupid error? I've done "import QtQuick.Layouts 1.1" but getting error creating the component.
[20:31] <ajalkane> I was previously using "Grid" component, but "GridLayout" has some useful stuff so I tried using it.
[20:35] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: There seems to be a GridLayout in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/QtQuick/Layouts/plugins.qmltypes on my
[20:35] <SturmFlut> phone
[20:35] <pmcgowan> mterry, as far as I know it is yes
[20:35] <mterry> pmcgowan, cool
[20:36] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: exports: ["QtQuick.Layouts/GridLayout 1.0"]
[20:36] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: Don't know if it helps
[20:36] <ajalkane> SturmFlut: thanks, might very well help! I tried with 1.1, so let's see
[20:39] <ajalkane> Unforunately didn't seem to help. And the error message is too vague to make sense of: QQmlComponent: Component is not ready
[20:39] <ajalkane> PopupUtils.open(): Failed to create the popup object.
[20:41] <SturmFlut> Sadly I'm completely new to QML
[20:42] <ajalkane> Aye, no problems. It's a good pointer you provided anyway, it seems like it should work judging by that
[20:42] <dobey> ajalkane: are you on 14.04? and is that component only available on qt 5.3?
[20:43] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: Do you use Qt Creator to run the application on the phone? Does it work?
[20:44] <ajalkane> SturmFlut: I'm running on desktop (14.04) so it's of course possible I need to install something extra - though I doubt it, as I should have the SDK repo
[20:45] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: Okay, thanks for the info. I am trying to run things on my phone and can't get it working.
[20:47] <ajalkane> Yeah I saw your problem. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with web apps :(
[20:47] <dobey> SturmFlut: what is the exact error you get?
[20:50] <SturmFlut> dobey: When I create a webapp using Qt Creator, it puts something like the following line in the generated .desktop file
[20:50] <SturmFlut> dobey: Exec=webapp-container --enable-back-forward --store-session-cookies --webappUrlPatterns=https?://m.DKB.com/* http://m.DKB.com %u
[20:50] <dobey> SturmFlut: yes, but what is the error?
[20:51] <SturmFlut> dobey: The webapp-container binary on my Ubuntu 14.10 desktop accepts all those arguments and everything works fine
[20:51] <SturmFlut> dobey: But the webapp-container binary on the phone doesn't even know those arguments
[20:51] <dobey> SturmFlut: please pastebin the exact error output
[20:51] <ajalkane> SturmFlut: have you tried running that Exec line from terminal?
[20:52] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: Yes
[20:52] <ajalkane> SturmFlut: what does it output in terminal then?
[20:52] <SturmFlut> moment
[20:53] <ajalkane> well, omit the %u parameter when running it
[20:54] <SturmFlut> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8172387/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/8172394/
[20:55] <SturmFlut> The command is installed in exactly the same version on both devices, but the output of "webapp-container --help" is completely different and webapp-container on the phone claims that it doesn't know most of the arguments
[20:55] <ajalkane> SturmFlut: yeah looks like they're totally different versions
[20:58] <dobey> SturmFlut: the phone is contained, you can't run it directly
[20:58] <dobey> s/contained/confined/
[20:58] <dobey> SturmFlut: did you build a click package and get it installed on the phone with qtcraetor?
[20:59] <SturmFlut> dobey: Yes, i built it manually, copied it to the phone via adb push and installed it manually. The automatic deployment via Qt Creator didn't work.
[21:00] <SturmFlut> dobey: I got a new Icon for my webapp in the launcher, but when I click on it nothing happens
[21:00] <SturmFlut> s/click/press/
[21:05] <SturmFlut> Is the output of webapp-container supposed to be so different on both devices?
[21:05] <SturmFlut> webapp-container --help i mean
[21:06] <dobey> SturmFlut: i think that's a result of how confinement works maybe. not sure.
[21:07] <dobey> SturmFlut: i think you need to remove the %u from the end of the Exec line in the .desktop file
[21:10] <SturmFlut> dobey: Thanks, I'll give it a try
[21:10] <ajalkane> Doubt that will solve the problem
[21:10] <ajalkane> The command is complaining about all the other parameters also
[21:10] <dobey> you can't run webapp-container directly on the command line
[21:11] <dobey> on the phone
[21:11] <ajalkane> Though those other errors might be warnings only so perhaps it will run
[21:12] <ajalkane> Anyway, I'm gone sleeping. Good luck!
[21:12] <SturmFlut> dobey: You're right. I just tried it with some native apps, like messaging-app, they all give completely different output on the desktop than on the phone when started with --help. Interesting.
[21:13] <SturmFlut> ajalkane: Good night
[21:13] <dobey> SturmFlut: to run an app from the command line on the phone, you need to run "ubuntu-app-launch $app_triplet"
[21:14] <dobey> $app_triplet is like com.ubuntu.calculator_calculator_0.2 for example. you need the same triplet for your app
[21:18] <dobey> anyway, need to go now.
[21:19] <SturmFlut> dobey: Thanks a lot. Now i have more things to try.
[21:26] <SturmFlut> dobey: I got it, and I'm not proud about the solution
[21:27] <SturmFlut> dobey: Apparently you're not allowed to uses uppercase letters and/or spaces in the app name
[21:28] <SturmFlut> dobey: Qt Creator will allow it during project creation, but it completely screws up everything else
[21:33] <Bray90820_> Is ubuntu touch being developed for x86 chipset or only arm
[23:40] <angelo__> Anyone around to help??
[23:41] <angelo__> Anyone around to help??
[23:42] <matv1> angelo_ help with what?
[23:43] <angelo__> install ubuntu 14 lt on a mobile pc. I keep getting an error
[23:44] <matv1> angelo_ ubuntu lts 14.04 desktop you mean?
[23:45] <angelo__> yes sorry I am very new to this.
[23:46] <matv1> angelo_ no problem. Except this channel is specifically for Ubuntu touch
[23:46] <matv1> Ubuntu touch is at this point still different from Ubuntu desktop
[23:47] <matv1> I think you are better off asking your question on the askubuntu website