[01:34] <diddledan> so my internet seems pretty dead right now since I last spoke at midnight
[01:34] <diddledan> currently I'm tethered via GSM EDGE speed
[01:35] <diddledan> damned vodafone having crud connectivity at home
[02:01] <diddledan> there we go
[02:01] <diddledan> mucho bettero
[02:03] <diddledan> I'm gonna rip the naff sky router out though - it gives me nothing but trouble
[05:48] <shauno> diddledan: you didn't consider, yaknow, just going to sleep?
[05:49] <diddledan> lol
[06:31] <Myrtti> mläh
[06:31] <Myrtti> morning, or something
[06:46] <nigelb> something.
[06:46] <nigelb> today falls under something
[06:49] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:54] <Myrtti> apparently the IT support has called Dell to change my laptop screen. I wish they had told me that a biiiit earlier.
[07:02] <knightwise> mornin Myrtti
[07:02] <knightwise> screen broken ?
[07:02] <Myrtti> thrip inside it.
[07:03] <nigelb> My screen scared me the other day.
[07:03] <nigelb> I closed the laptop, and then it would only light up very dimly
[07:03] <nigelb> fixed itself a few hours later.
[07:03] <knightwise> ooh , backlit issue
[07:03] <nigelb> yeah.
[07:03]  * knightwise staring at a glassy 10 inch display at the moment
[07:03] <nigelb> and you know why I closed the laptop?
[07:04] <knightwise> nigelb: whyzzz ?
[07:04] <nigelb> so I could check my serial number to mark warranty expiration date.
[07:04] <knightwise> haha :)
[07:04] <knightwise> i'm trying out a Ms surface pro today ( a Surface 1)
[07:04] <nigelb> I was like... yeah, defintiely buying extra warranty when it dies.
[07:04] <nigelb> s/dies/exires/
[07:04] <knightwise> hmm.. didn't do that on the company mac.
[07:04] <knightwise> applecare is a ripoff
[07:06] <nigelb> I've been told applecare is spectacular.
[07:06] <nigelb> lenovo is shitty but their support so far has been nice.
[07:07] <shauno> applecare would be amazing, if they didn't marry it to their "retail experience"
[07:08] <knightwise> we had a pretty good buying experience getting the mac
[07:08] <directhex> i have applecare on here. i wonder if they'd be vexed about it running ubuntu
[07:08] <knightwise> didnt buy it in an actual apple store , we only have resellerrs in belgium
[07:08] <knightwise> Hahah , saw some benchmarks on how Ubuntu runs faster on the same mac then OSX does
[07:09] <directhex> for some tasks
[07:09] <shauno> knightwise, same in ireland.  that's where applecare fall short.  it works well if you want to treat apple-retail as a drop-in center.  if there's no retail, it gets ugly quick
[07:10] <knightwise> shauno: we shop at a premium reseller , they have their own repair dept , so its pretty ok there
[07:11] <knightwise> they took care of a 2 repairs on a macbook air I once bought
[07:11] <shauno> I had to try to convince them that I really didn't fancy taking a 6 hour bus trip to take my phone to my 'local' store
[07:12] <knightwise> true.
[07:12] <knightwise> I'm currently hammering away on a surface pro :)
[07:12] <knightwise> I got a surface pro 1 second hand to play around with , need to keep my Windows skills up too.
[07:12] <knightwise> 8.1 is not bad , and the pro is a half decent machine ..
[07:13] <knightwise> but putty has a very hard time with a high res screen. Font sizing is fuzzy and I feel like i'm drunk when I look at the screen right now
[08:22] <diddledan> morning
[08:27] <foobarry> morning
[08:30] <DJones> Yup, it is
[08:31] <DJones> Morning btw
[08:31] <foobarry> have an annoying tickly cough
[08:31] <foobarry> can't stop
[08:32] <foobarry> its very undproductive
[08:49] <popey> yo
[08:53] <DJones> foobarry: I read that free book I got from Amazon last night, turned out to be quite good, seems to be the start of a scifi space opera type of series http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DSD8ZDK/ref=pe_385721_48724741_TE_M1T1DP
[09:13] <awilkins> Hmm. Chris Evans was maintaining that this is Pie Day
[09:13] <awilkins> But internet sources claim it is Bow Tie Day
[09:15] <awilkins> It's not even British Pie Week!
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:27] <diddledan> awilkins, mm pie
[10:40] <foobarry> scifi space opera :-|
[11:28] <knightwise> afternoon
[11:36] <brobostigon> afternoodlings knightwise
[11:36] <shauno> mmm noodles
[11:36] <knightwise> hey brobostigon shauno
[11:36] <knightwise> how are you guys
[11:36] <brobostigon> could be better, could be worse. and you knightwise ?
[11:37] <shauno> I'm in pain.  I'm trying to do this "performance review" tripe.  but I've been told not to try to be funny this time.
[11:37]  * knightwise has accountant whoes
[11:37] <knightwise> 2 accountants disagreeing on how to organise my company.
[11:37] <brobostigon> :(
[11:38] <knightwise> and its all about tax law and crap (and thats not my strong suit)
[11:38] <knightwise> So i just called in a THIRD opinion.
[11:38] <brobostigon> result?
[11:39] <knightwise> still need to sit with the third party
[11:40] <knightwise> gonna run through the numbers with the SECOND opinion guy on monday
[11:40] <knightwise> our original accountant is probably going to get fired.
[11:41] <brobostigon> ah, i see. good luck.
[11:41] <knightwise> In other news .. i got a MS surface tablet ! :) Not an RT one, a Pro one.
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> shouldn't you just put the 2 accountants in one room and which ever one wins is the winner?
[11:41] <knightwise> (second hand) i would never pay money .
[11:42] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: that would probably be a good idea too.. but first we need to make up our own minds where we should be going.
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> the amount of ms hardware i've landed when others have discarded it...
[11:42] <knightwise> the cute thing with this surface is when you run Ubuntu on it in a VM.
[11:42] <knightwise> seems "unnatural"
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> well it is ms on a mobile device so unnatural was a given
[11:43] <knightwise> but in essence its a little I5, 4gig laptop with a 128 SSD drive and high resolution screen.
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> can you run linux natively?
[11:43] <knightwise> its not really a mobile device since it doesnt run RT.
[11:43] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: I'm not sure , uefi boot would be in the way i guess
[11:43]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward evil at mention of uefi
[11:44] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu0yFGczNY
[11:44] <knightwise> it has been done apparently
[11:44] <knightwise> right now i'm running 8.1
[11:45] <knightwise> Since most of my workflows are cross platform friendly its not really important what OS is under the hood.
[11:45] <shauno> I'm loving efi.  I can netboot over wifi!
[11:45] <knightwise> using mobaxterm as a terminal client at the moment. brilliant app
[11:46] <knightwise> and i let chrome run fullscreen as a metro app , so the thing also feels like a chromebook
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> but nowhere near as cheap
[11:46] <knightwise> true.
[11:46] <knightwise> but a chromebook is just a thin client . this thing can run VM's :)
[11:46] <knightwise> (plus i didnt PAY for it , i traded off an old laptop fo mine for it)
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> a chromebook can run linux natively if you really want
[11:48] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: also true. and then we call it a netbook.. (been there done that ? )
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> but few netbooks left on sale so they're my only hope to replace my 4 year old hp 210 netbook
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> though it looks like ms is pushing for new netbooks to counteract chromebooks undercutting them
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> as long as they all run linux \o/
[12:00] <knightwise> true.
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> though if someone made a z88 case that took a rasp pi i'd jump on it in a heart beat
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> all console apps, but with modern usb, wifi, sd card slots... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88
[12:11] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep wanting a modern psion 5mx before realising that that's a small tablet and a bluetooth keyboard
[12:12]  * zmoylan-pi misses the psions
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> run a week on 2 aa batteries, with full desktop apps, not cut down silly apps
[12:13] <foobarry> psion revo was great
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> i think they still sell them
[12:14] <foobarry> i read a whole book on it too
[12:14] <foobarry> best agenda software i ever used
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> the psion 3a keyboard has never been beaten
[12:14] <foobarry> then you go on holiday and forget to charge it
[12:14] <foobarry> and it loses its memory
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> agenda... make a recurring appointment for 3rd wednesday of every 2nd month.  ok...
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> never found a pim that could do that since
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> and it understood that every 4th wednesday of the month and last wednesday of the month were not always the same
[12:20] <foobarry> and it fit in my suit pocket
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> i had a rather expensive leather belt holster for psion 5s.
[12:31] <dwatkins> some companies are making devices with Kindle-like displays which you can write on, I think there's a prototype available in Japan from Sony.
[12:31] <dwatkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvJuLK65dio
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> there was mention of a 7" screen kit for rasp pi so might have to make my own sub netbook :-)
[12:34] <awilkins> I wanted a PalmOS cart for the Nintendo DS
[12:34] <awilkins> It would be an awesome organiser
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> the ds really could be an excellent pda/playform if nintendo allowed it
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> the new non folding ds screams for a real keyboard and apps
[12:40] <popey> zmoylan-pi: http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/feature.asp?t=how_to&c=4219
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> nice
[12:51] <knightwise> Frack :)
[12:51] <knightwise> type covers for the Surface are only in available in hot pink and hot blue !
[12:52] <diddledan> knightwise, pink for you
[12:52] <knightwise> diddledan: I thought somebody would say as much
[12:52] <knightwise> (don't google knightwise mega-mindy incident)
[12:53]  * diddledan googles knightwise mega-mindy incident
[12:53] <dwatkins> oh my, I may have to do this now - I was just going to use it to control my DSLR...
[12:54] <dwatkins> http://www.hdrlabs.com/occ/ for details
[12:54] <knightwise> I reinstalled the mac mini last week
[12:54] <knightwise> single booted it in ubuntu to make a fileserver / vmware server out of it.
[12:54] <knightwise> not bad at all
[12:55] <knightwise> but I had to install the package that runs the fans and temperature control
[12:55] <knightwise> Almost had my own little meltdown here in the cupboard
[12:56] <diddledan> MELTDOWN!
[12:59] <knightwise> very true
[12:59] <awilkins> GBBO ICE CREAM MELTDOWN
[13:03] <foobarry> melton mowbray
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> pink makes it less stealable
[13:04] <directhex> msata ssds are tiny
[13:05] <foobarry> turns out that they didn't keep records of who's done all this crappy compulsory training
[13:06] <foobarry> and they are asking us to tick next to each one we have done \o/
[13:06] <foobarry> thats easier than doing the trainign surely
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> you should be made bring all your certificates in! :-)
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> foobarry bsc ssc :-p
[13:07] <foobarry> its all this H&S for managers trainign etc
[13:08] <foobarry> where you have to sit in a room and be bored for a day
[13:08] <foobarry> when you raise a H&S query it gets ignored
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> that's why pdas were invented, it looked like you were taking notes but actually running simcity.  doesn't work as well with mobile phones :-(
[13:10] <foobarry> this is waht happens when you make me do H&S training
[13:10] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/3GVfFcz.jpg
[13:10] <awilkins> DS Organizer : includes IRC client. Coolio.
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> thought it was going to be buzzword bingo card
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> i have a java based irc client on my feature phone :-)
[14:12] <knightwise> hmmm. one of my external disks failed on the server
[14:12] <knightwise> perhaps its a good time to get a NAS drive
[14:49] <foobarry> microserver
[14:58] <diddledan> +1
[14:58] <diddledan> I want a microserver
[14:58] <awilkins> Was all excited to discover that you can get full runtime on AWS for free
[14:58] <awilkins> But only for 12 months :-(
[17:03] <Myrtti> well, atleast the good part about the Dell service thing is that I've cleaned a bit, and my mobile's battery has lasted a bit better because I've had to keep the phone in a place where it actually gets some mobile signal.
[17:03] <Myrtti> (no, they've not called or been here yet)
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/08/28/nightmare-at-the-office/?utm_source=feedly&utm_reader=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nightmare-at-the-office
[19:01] <j0sh^_> Hey guys, whats the best way to deal with DNS propagation during a hosting switcheroo? Iptables to redirect old -> new ?
[19:16] <SuperMatt> j0sh^_: that's quite doable, but personally I just like to lower the ttl to 5 minutes a day before the switch
[19:17] <j0sh^_> aye, but client/ISP caching world wide can cause issues
[19:17] <j0sh^_> so I want a redirect on old anyway
[19:18] <SuperMatt> tbh, I tell my customers that any client caching is the client's fault if they see the site down
[20:02] <mapps> hi all
[20:03] <mapps> ;]
[20:03] <mapps> damn wifi in this hotel goes eveyr fewmins
[20:03] <mapps> ;((