| ochosi | bluesabre: we could actually mention the compton config in the release notes | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | ochosi: not sure this is getting executed, still no output there | 00:01 |
| ochosi | you're opening the menu though, right | 00:01 |
| ochosi | ? | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: maybe, but then it'd seem like we're endorsing its use | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | yes | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | so, maybe not prefix=/usr | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | ? | 00:01 |
| ochosi | nah, that should work | 00:02 |
| ochosi | you can uninstall the xfpm from the repos to be sure thogh | 00:02 |
| ochosi | though | 00:02 |
| bluesabre | got it | 00:05 |
| bluesabre | I see state = 1 and state = 0 | 00:06 |
| ochosi | what, both? | 00:07 |
| ochosi | i mean that'd explain it | 00:07 |
| ochosi | do you have >1 device? | 00:07 |
| bluesabre | laptop battery | 00:10 |
| bluesabre | ok, mouse is 0 | 00:10 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: right, then i still don't get why it ends up with a progressbar | 00:14 |
| ochosi | (also, in case of the battery, it should return too) | 00:15 |
| bluesabre | probably does, I have the print above the returns | 00:16 |
| ochosi | should for both, question is why doesn't it | 00:17 |
| ochosi | do you see any obvious mistake or something? | 00:17 |
| bluesabre | one sec | 00:18 |
| bluesabre | ? | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | now it had no progressbar | 00:21 |
| ochosi | woot | 00:21 |
| ochosi | random? | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | not sure, investigating | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Didja update it for me? | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I guess the patch works now | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | :\ | 00:23 |
| Unit193 | And do uploads, and give me powers, and coffee? | 00:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: humm, you guess..? :s | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | yeah, its working | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | no idea why it didn't before, must be user-error | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | well | 00:24 |
| ochosi | ok, in that case try the real deal: http://git.xfce.org/users/ochosi/xfce4-power-manager/log/?h=private/unknown_device_state | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | working as in no progressbar | 00:24 |
| ochosi | yeah | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I'll get it uploaded tonight or tomorrow latest | 00:25 |
| Unit193 | OK, sure, no hurry. | 00:26 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. | 00:26 |
| bluesabre | I think I really dislike the user branches | 00:27 |
| ochosi | well you can add the user branch to the normal repo locally | 00:29 |
| ochosi | then you shouldn't get that error i think | 00:29 |
| bluesabre | there we go | 00:32 |
| ochosi | we do? | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 00:32 |
| ochosi | ah | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | github is easier | 00:33 |
| bluesabre | got it finally | 00:34 |
| bluesabre | building | 00:34 |
| bluesabre | now the plugin dies on load | 00:34 |
| bluesabre | yay | 00:34 |
| Unit193 | :D | 00:35 |
| bluesabre | (process:28041): xfce4-panel-wrapper-CRITICAL **: Wrapper power-manager-plugin-2: Failed to open plugin module "/usr/lib/xfce4/panel/plugins/libxfce4powermanager.so": /usr/lib/xfce4/panel/plugins/libxfce4powermanager.so: undefined symbol: layout_set_font. | 00:35 |
| ochosi | strange | 00:36 |
| ochosi | layout_set_font is a rather normal function | 00:37 |
| ochosi | not sure why that wouldn't work, we use it in the display dialog too | 00:38 |
| ochosi | feel free to comment it out though | 00:38 |
| bluesabre | beats me | 00:38 |
| ochosi | it worked for eric btw | 00:38 |
| bluesabre | probably just a messy build env | 00:39 |
| ochosi | he even showed me a screenshot of that blue bubble, so i know he wasn't faking it | 00:39 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: wanna try "pango_layout_set_font_description" instead? | 00:41 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: that fixed it | 00:45 |
| bluesabre | pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, pango_font_description_from_string ("Sans Bold 9")); | 00:45 |
| ochosi | hm, maybe layout_set_font is deprecated or something | 00:45 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 00:46 |
| ochosi | so wait, does it work now as it should? | 00:46 |
| bluesabre | things disappear quicker than we code | 00:46 |
| ochosi | indeed | 00:46 |
| ochosi | i mean do you see the blue bubble or does it just build and run? | 00:47 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: http://imgur.com/JzqXM0Q | 00:47 |
| ochosi | hm right. so apart from the ? not being centered anymore... | 00:47 |
| bluesabre | getting there | 00:47 |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:47 |
| bluesabre | need me to test anything else? | 00:48 |
| ochosi | nope, actually that's it | 00:48 |
| bluesabre | sweet | 00:49 |
| ochosi | i'll tweak the positioning of the ? | 00:50 |
| ochosi | so if you could test that once more | 00:50 |
| ochosi | that'd be great | 00:50 |
| bluesabre | sure thing | 00:51 |
| ochosi | http://dpaste.com/38WBPV9 | 00:51 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ^ | 00:51 |
| ochosi | (you can obviously ignore that one line about the font) | 00:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: http://imgur.com/2Xw9NMa | 00:53 |
| bluesabre | bingo | 00:53 |
| ochosi | yup, that's pretty much it | 00:54 |
| ochosi | i'm a bit afraid of the installed fonts affecting the positioning | 00:54 |
| ochosi | mind testing one last thing? | 00:54 |
| bluesabre | sure | 00:54 |
| ochosi | setting your system font to something else and restarting the panel | 00:54 |
| ochosi | then check whether it's still centered | 00:54 |
| bluesabre | we can load it into fedora and watch it die with that font rendering | 00:55 |
| bluesabre | k | 00:55 |
| ochosi | (iirc "Sans" falls back to whatever) | 00:55 |
| ochosi | (or even gets overridden) | 00:55 |
| bluesabre | looks the same with ubuntu font | 00:55 |
| ochosi | mkay, i guess that's a good sign | 00:56 |
| bluesabre | indeed | 00:56 |
| Unit193 | So right, what's on the pad? | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | lots of scribbles | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | http://pad.ubuntu.com/S030Pt7VHy | 00:57 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i'll tweak the colors a bit more | 00:58 |
| ochosi | and then i guess i'll push it | 00:58 |
| ochosi | not sure why it didn't just work for eric | 00:58 |
| ochosi | (he also got the progressbar plus the bubble) | 00:58 |
| Unit193 | I scribbled, it's not pretty. | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: works for me | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | Great. | 01:01 |
| bluesabre | so, I need to update power-manager depends and restore the xfwm patch? | 01:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok, last nag for tonight: http://dpaste.com/3JS241C | 01:02 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: nicer http://imgur.com/2GgYT8Y | 01:04 |
| ochosi | yup, i think for now i'm happy with it | 01:05 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Something like that, but not quite no. | 01:05 |
| bluesabre | Recommends: xfce4-panel | lxpanel | 01:06 |
| bluesabre | or Depends | 01:06 |
| bluesabre | or just look at what you did | 01:06 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:06 |
| Unit193 | It's being added by misc:Depends or shlib:Depends, so not as simple. xfwm I have done sitting in source/ | 01:07 |
| bluesabre | oh right | 01:08 |
| bluesabre | no fun, that one. | 01:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: thanks again for testing, pushed to master | 01:16 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: great, thanks :) | 01:16 |
| Unit193 | He broke it. | 01:17 |
| ochosi | who? | 01:19 |
| bluesabre | skellat | 01:24 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 01:24 |
| bluesabre | night ochosi | 01:24 |
| ochosi | aha | 01:24 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Sleepy well, if you can. | 01:24 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/9epDPTmSpE6L5z1VfHzG/ some basic stats, been around for a while. A bit off since the one was just updated. | 05:45 |
| Unit193 | We need to bump 1361459? | 05:50 |
| elfy | bluesabre: we had 5/5 on both after I finished - what I'm interested in is seeing more than 5 results in each of the arch's - otherwise I just as well mark the damn things ready once I've finished | 06:20 |
| ochosi | elfy: i'm dling the image now... | 07:39 |
| elfy | morning ochosi | 07:39 |
| ochosi | morning | 07:40 |
| elfy | I just added a couple of bugs to known issues - video corruption in live session boot and an intermittent fail to configure wifi | 07:40 |
| elfy | and thanks | 07:40 |
| ochosi | ah good | 07:40 |
| elfy | did you look at the minimal install draft on xubuntu.org ? | 07:42 |
| ochosi | not yet | 07:46 |
| elfy | ok - we'll either need to edit the release announcement to remove the link or publish that - I don't mind which we do :) | 07:47 |
| elfy | off to work later today and should be back mid afternoon in time to tie things up | 07:47 |
| ochosi | ok, i'll try to take a look until then | 07:48 |
| elfy | yea - no real rush tbh, we just need to do one or the other | 07:49 |
| ochosi | elfy: hm, that seems a bit ambiguous: After getting to the boot menu, select <em>Install</em> or for more customization select <em>Command-line install</em> | 07:50 |
| ochosi | especially because you don't explain both cases in the description | 07:50 |
| elfy | where are you reading that? | 07:51 |
| ochosi | Unit193: over what timespan was the data collected? since we created the PPA? | 07:52 |
| elfy | ochosi: nvm - got it - testcase hasn't caught up with what we're wanting, but no-one should be testing that yet anyway | 07:52 |
| ochosi | elfy: second list point in xubuntu minimal install | 07:52 |
| ochosi | also, it's a bit brief. the first paragraph should explain a bit more what's good about it, but that only experienced users might wanna do it | 07:53 |
| elfy | sorry - I'm reading the <em> thing as testcase - yea - please remove that bit so it just points at Install | 07:53 |
| ochosi | so only "After getting to the boot menu, select <em>Install</em>" ? | 07:54 |
| elfy | yep | 07:54 |
| elfy | sigh | 07:55 |
| ochosi | ok, also adjusted the following bullet-point | 07:55 |
| elfy | yea - was going to say the next will be wrong too :p | 07:55 |
| ochosi | the last one is also a bit confusing | 07:55 |
| ochosi | maybe it's just the wording | 07:55 |
| ochosi | "if you don't get that window, after installing, run.." | 07:56 |
| elfy | probably - I did just copy the wording from Unit193's core page | 07:56 |
| ochosi | meh | 07:56 |
| elfy | leave it for the moment | 07:56 |
| ochosi | ok | 07:56 |
| elfy | I'll fiddle with the pad now | 07:56 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: could you review this article pls and if you're ok with it just hit publish? http://xubuntu.org/?p=2656&preview=true | 07:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: I'll do some detail for testing minimal in m/l early next - we can deal with the website page later | 07:58 |
| ochosi | ok, sounds good to me! | 07:59 |
| elfy | yep - enough to do right now without an extra one :p | 07:59 |
| ochosi | :) | 08:00 |
| ochosi | elfy: doing a real install btw | 08:08 |
| ochosi | but i'll do a vm install for the testcase later i think | 08:08 |
| ochosi | brb (hopefully) | 08:09 |
| elfy | :) | 08:09 |
| elfy | ochosi: if you're doiing a real install that's preferable for the test report - but if you manage to do a vm as well - that's even better | 08:13 |
| ochosi | hmm, somehow usb creator messed it up i thin | 08:14 |
| ochosi | k | 08:14 |
| ochosi | in the vm the image boots fine | 08:14 |
| knome | that's wonky. i've never truly trusted it.. | 08:14 |
| ochosi | on the usb stick i get "not a COM32R image" or something | 08:14 |
| elfy | aah | 08:14 |
| elfy | tab | 08:15 |
| ochosi | guess there's no easy way of validating that the usb creator didn't mess things up other than trying to boot from the stick | 08:15 |
| ochosi | tab? | 08:15 |
| elfy | yea tab button - try then typing live | 08:15 |
| elfy | in unetbootin you'd want unetbootindefault | 08:15 |
| elfy | I've had that off and on | 08:15 |
| ochosi | ok, i'll try that after the first VM run | 08:16 |
| elfy | I'd report it - but more than I'd like anything that's just a general *buntu issue gets ignored so I don't bother anymore | 08:17 |
| ochosi | right | 08:17 |
| elfy | bug 1325801 | 08:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1325801 in casper (Ubuntu) "failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1325801 | 08:18 |
| ochosi | ah, thanks | 08:19 |
| elfy | added to my results and the pad | 08:19 |
| ochosi | frankly, i'm myself a bit surprised by how much goodness and features b1 contains | 08:23 |
| ochosi | most comes from upstream, but since bluesabre and i are quite active there, it's also a xubuntu achievement | 08:23 |
| elfy | :) | 08:23 |
| ochosi | best thing about QA, you can actually do something else while pretending to do something ("It's installing...") | 08:26 |
| ochosi | aka http://xkcd.com/303/ | 08:26 |
| elfy | indeed :) | 08:27 |
| elfy | no sticker for you :p | 08:27 |
| ochosi | awwwh :D | 08:27 |
| * ochosi remembers not to call the QA lead the king of slackers anymore | 08:27 | |
| elfy | :| | 08:28 |
| elfy | lol | 08:28 |
| ochosi | well, i want them stickers!!! | 08:28 |
| ochosi | ;) | 08:28 |
| elfy | sent a note to list re com32 and possible graphic corruption just in case anyone else comes across them and doesn't look at the tracker first | 08:29 |
| ochosi | elfy: hm, for auto-resize i need to have a second system installed in my vbox, right? | 08:30 |
| elfy | yea | 08:30 |
| ochosi | humm | 08:30 |
| ochosi | ok, that'll be the last one then | 08:30 |
| elfy | no | 08:31 |
| elfy | actually - what you need is a vm disk big enough to allow 2 installs | 08:31 |
| elfy | I make them 16Gb | 08:31 |
| elfy | then can do whole disk, resize and then manual on one of the resized | 08:31 |
| ochosi | ah, hmm | 08:32 |
| ochosi | too late for that | 08:32 |
| elfy | can't do whole disk on hardware here - would kill little one's win7 install lol | 08:32 |
| ochosi | :) | 08:33 |
| ochosi | btw, anything i should add to the comments? | 08:33 |
| ochosi | i see you added "hardware" | 08:33 |
| ochosi | is that a hardware profile you created for yourself? | 08:34 |
| elfy | I don't use hardware profiles | 08:35 |
| elfy | I just try to differentiate between hardware and vm's is all | 08:35 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 08:36 |
| ochosi | so i guess i put VM in the comments then | 08:36 |
| knome | well, what are hardware profiles anyway.. websites. | 08:37 |
| elfy | knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware | 08:38 |
| knome | i know | 08:38 |
| elfy | if balloons doesn't bother with that - that's good enough for me :p | 08:38 |
| knome | they are a website with specified output from a command | 08:38 |
| elfy | I guess - all seems rather pointless to me | 08:39 |
| knome | well if you could save your HW profiles *in the ISO tracker*, then select one from a dropdown, it would be much useful.. | 08:39 |
| knome | *more* | 08:39 |
| elfy | I'd rather see other things fixed on the tracker than that ;) | 08:40 |
| knome | currently it's... well, i guess there can be some good to it | 08:40 |
| knome | me too. | 08:40 |
| elfy | well - off to work for me - back mid afternoon I hope | 08:40 |
| elfy | cya later | 08:40 |
| knome | the arguments against some of the HW info gathering have been "who owns it, which server has the information", and now we've set up a community system that powers a somewhat closed community member server... | 08:41 |
| knome | wait, we're using something else now. hooray. | 08:42 |
| knome | but still it's not centralized.. | 08:42 |
| ochosi | frankly, 14.10 is looking great | 08:50 |
| Unit193 | Me? Bad wording? Surprising! | 08:52 |
| Unit193 | :P | 08:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i get a funny crash of xfsettingsd in the live session when enabling the 'configure new displays when connected' option btw | 08:59 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: http://dpaste.com/3XWVF5X | 08:59 |
| ochosi | i'll see whether that still applies in on a hw install | 09:00 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/EAo9SpSNXeScCSlpbfja/ might even get fr this cycle. | 10:05 |
| ochosi | get fr? | 10:09 |
| knome | french translation of the documentation | 10:09 |
| ochosi | right, but is there an increase or why might we get it this cycle? | 10:10 |
| knome | increase obviously | 10:10 |
| ochosi | Luyin: i see that the docs are fairly untranslated in german, in case you feel like taking a look ;) | 10:10 |
| knome | same goes for silverlion @ -ot | 10:11 |
| Luyin | ochosi: link? | 10:11 |
| ochosi | knome: link? | 10:11 |
| ochosi | (mmm, aligning lines...) | 10:11 |
| knome | https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs | 10:12 |
| Unit193 | I can translate to gibberish. | 10:12 |
| ochosi | sweet! | 10:12 |
| ochosi | wait, where's the gib.po ? | 10:13 |
| knome | Unit193, any (other) readers for that one? :P | 10:13 |
| Unit193 | Well, maybe, but not that use Xubuntu. :P | 10:13 |
| knome | uh, i'm out of battery. see you! | 10:14 |
| ochosi | ttyl knome | 10:14 |
| Luyin | ochosi: I'll take a look at it tonight. at work atm ;) | 10:18 |
| ochosi | Luyin: sure, thanks! hf @work then ;) | 10:18 |
| knome | hm, who doesn't work on FOSS while at work? :P | 10:19 |
| Unit193 | I'd bet money elfy doesn't. | 10:20 |
| knome | does advoacy count? | 10:22 |
| knome | advocacy too | 10:22 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: re, that article, the title could use some work, but otherwise I think it is good | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | elfy: got a few tests in this morning | 10:56 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: got any ideas up your sleeve? | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | schedule is tight this morning, so everything else that I promised I'd do this morning, I'll do tonight | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | "Laptop users, the black screen of death is fixed"? | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | dunno | 10:57 |
| Unit193 | Sure, no problem. | 10:57 |
| ochosi | oh, let's not call it that, that might catch on | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | " | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | The nasty black screen bug is fixed in 14.04.1" doesn't jive with me | 10:57 |
| ochosi | i like the exclamating "laptop users" | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | :) | 10:57 |
| ochosi | problem is, some people are still experiencing some sort of black screen | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | I know | 10:58 |
| ochosi | maybe we should write | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | at various points | 10:58 |
| ochosi | "Laptop users, we have fixed one black screen bug" | 10:58 |
| ochosi | :] | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | haha | 10:58 |
| ochosi | more humble | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | "Laptop users, Fix available for the black screen on unlock bug" | 11:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's better | 11:00 |
| ochosi | wanna hit publish then? | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | sure | 11:00 |
| ochosi | ty | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | for the article content, "and Xubuntu 14.10 Beta 1" | 11:01 |
| ochosi | yup | 11:02 |
| ochosi | true | 11:02 |
| ochosi | when i drafted that, 14.10 was still too far away | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | I can't publish, "submitted for review" | 11:03 |
| ochosi | oh | 11:03 |
| ochosi | i guess i'll do that then | 11:03 |
| ochosi | not a member of xubuntu-website? | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | dunno | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | I think I am, able to login | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: add the 14.04 and 14.10 tags, maybe? | 11:04 |
| ochosi | maybe just xubuntu-team is needed for that | 11:04 |
| ochosi | never sure | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | ah | 11:05 |
| Unit193 | -team can't publish. | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | anyway, gotta run, bbl | 11:06 |
| ochosi | ok, ttyl bluesabre | 11:06 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 11:06 |
| elfy | back | 12:27 |
| elfy | lol @ Unit193 | 12:27 |
| elfy | you'd be right :p | 12:28 |
| elfy | ochosi: announcement is now fleshed out - not done release note though yet | 12:40 |
| elfy | I'm happy to mark the beta as ready when you are | 12:40 |
| ochosi | elfy: i managed to run two tests today, but that's about it i'm afraid | 12:55 |
| ochosi | one hardware, one VM | 12:56 |
| elfy | thanks for doing them :) | 12:56 |
| elfy | we can wait a while longer - then mark them - you can do that if you want :) | 12:57 |
| ochosi | nah, i think it's actually fine to mark them now | 12:58 |
| elfy | ok - you want to do that - it'll make sure that you can do it | 12:58 |
| ochosi | righty | 12:59 |
| ochosi | note that i've never done that before, so i'd actually be greatful for you to guide me a little :) | 12:59 |
| elfy | ok - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/322/builds | 13:00 |
| elfy | empty box to the left of where it says Product(Xubuntu) | 13:00 |
| elfy | click that - should select both our 32/64 bit | 13:00 |
| elfy | then in the Admin bit - Status - in the dropdown - select mark as ready | 13:01 |
| ochosi | yup (actually all of the products are autoselected by default for me, so it's more about unticking than ticking) | 13:01 |
| elfy | then update build status | 13:01 |
| ochosi | ok, did that | 13:02 |
| elfy | mmm | 13:02 |
| ochosi | not sure anything happened though | 13:02 |
| ochosi | at least there is no visual diff | 13:02 |
| elfy | ochosi: hang on - http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-280814-140252.php | 13:03 |
| elfy | not the products right on the left - with kubuntu etc | 13:04 |
| ochosi | thanks | 13:06 |
| ochosi | done now | 13:06 |
| elfy | awesome - picture paints a thousand words :p | 13:06 |
| ochosi | indeed | 13:06 |
| elfy | now - no-one can report against it | 13:06 |
| ochosi | you mean iso tests? | 13:06 |
| elfy | or shouldn't be able to - yep | 13:07 |
| ochosi | aha, why's that? | 13:07 |
| elfy | because we've said it's ready | 13:07 |
| elfy | tomorrow it'll go back to dailies | 13:07 |
| elfy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta1/Xubuntu | 13:10 |
| ochosi | elfy: ok, so how do we go about creating the announcement / notes now? | 13:27 |
| elfy | the announcement is fleshed out on xubuntu.org - needs another set of eyes | 13:28 |
| elfy | the release note page is ^^ and just needs to have the pad content copied to it and fiddled with | 13:28 |
| elfy | we just need to wait now for stgraber - apart from checking things nothing we can really do for the moment | 13:29 |
| ochosi | the launchpad bugs on the announcement need links btw | 13:29 |
| elfy | ok - I'll do those now | 13:29 |
| ochosi | thanks | 13:30 |
| elfy | ok - that's done | 13:36 |
| ochosi | thanks | 13:39 |
| ochosi | looks much better now | 13:39 |
| ochosi | btw, please s/Xchat/XChat/ | 13:39 |
| ochosi | (if you still have the edit lock) | 13:39 |
| elfy | I did - it says XChat | 13:39 |
| ochosi | ah, good | 13:39 |
| elfy | or should do :p | 13:40 |
| ochosi | among "other changes" it's still Xchat | 13:40 |
| elfy | hadn't saved | 13:40 |
| elfy | can't get the frist two paragraphs to look right | 13:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, they do look a little messed up | 13:45 |
| ochosi | you're using the visual editor? | 13:45 |
| elfy | I was | 13:45 |
| ochosi | (there's so many diffs there, i feel dizzy...) | 13:45 |
| ochosi | err, divs :) | 13:45 |
| elfy | lol | 13:46 |
| elfy | anyway - I'll not play with that page anymore | 13:46 |
| ochosi | suuuure, break everything and then sneak out! | 13:47 |
| ochosi | :D | 13:47 |
| * ochosi goes and cleans up | 13:47 | |
| elfy | :) | 13:47 |
| elfy | common infrastructure on the wiki appears to be pointless this time | 13:47 |
| ochosi | ok, done | 13:52 |
| ochosi | so from my pov the release announcement is ready to go | 13:53 |
| elfy | thanks - looks better :p | 13:53 |
| ochosi | good | 13:53 |
| elfy | yep - that all looks fine to me too | 13:53 |
| elfy | once we get the nod we can publish that and do the wiki one | 13:53 |
| ochosi | are you working on the notes arleady? | 13:53 |
| elfy | easy now :) | 13:53 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 13:54 |
| ochosi | so we'll wait and then copy over the stuff from the pad when greenlit | 13:54 |
| elfy | yep :) | 13:54 |
| ochosi | good | 13:54 |
| elfy | I'm about now all day apart from food so will keep an eye on -release | 13:55 |
| ochosi | great, can't promise yet i'll be around when it's time | 13:55 |
| ochosi | so thanks for that! | 13:55 |
| elfy | yep - that's fine - I'm guessing sort of 1700UTC ish from what he said he other day | 13:55 |
| elfy | release notice is up now - if anyone wants to check it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta1/Xubuntu | 15:36 |
| elfy | will publish the announcement in a few hours | 15:36 |
| ochosi | looks good, maybe wanna put the known issues in a list too? | 15:49 |
| elfy | I knew that ... | 15:50 |
| elfy | :p | 15:50 |
| slickymasterWork | ochosi: maybe now we could publish the inxi article in the blog ^^ | 15:55 |
| slickymasterWork | could/should | 15:55 |
| elfy | makes sense to me | 15:57 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: yup, sounds good! | 15:59 |
| slickymasterWork | you're the boss ochosi ;) | 15:59 |
| elfy | got page open - will publish it then | 16:00 |
| ochosi | ty elfy | 16:01 |
| ochosi | quite the activity on our blog today | 16:01 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy = always helpful | 16:01 |
| ochosi | you mean elfy = alwaYs hELpFul | 16:04 |
| elfy | linked to the inxi page in the beta announcement | 16:05 |
| elfy | ochosi: lol | 16:05 |
| slickymasterWork | lol, good one ochosi :) | 16:05 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy: I'm getting a PAGE NOT FOUND in the beta announcement | 16:07 |
| elfy | ochosi: we going to put beta on the front page | 16:07 |
| elfy | slickymasterWork: it's not all live yet | 16:08 |
| ochosi | yup, should | 16:08 |
| slickymasterWork | oh, ok | 16:08 |
| slickymasterWork | thought you guys already have published it | 16:08 |
| elfy | no - we've not published announcement, the download link's not real yet either | 16:09 |
| elfy | releasing at 20:30UTC ish it seems | 18:32 |
| brainwash | you can use menulibre to edit the entries which are displayed in the settings manager, right? | 20:39 |
| elfy | brainwash: yep | 20:40 |
| brainwash | we got a dissatisfied customer here bug 1362734 | 20:40 |
| ubottu | bug 1362734 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "settings manager contains entries (icons) that are obsolete and cannot be fixed or removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362734 | 20:40 |
| brainwash | he also mentions the missing gksu | 20:40 |
| elfy | only got one nvidia-settings here, pretty sure was the same in trusty | 20:41 |
| brainwash | shouldn't there be too? one for tasks which require root privileges? | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | Nah. | 20:43 |
| elfy | nvidia-settings calls for root rights if you ask it to amend xorg.conf | 20:43 |
| elfy | I've only ever seen one nvidia-settings | 20:44 |
| brainwash | strange, how did he end up with two launchers? =S | 20:44 |
| Unit193 | Playing with launchers too much? | 20:44 |
| brainwash | but he does not seem to have a clue at all | 20:45 |
| elfy | delete the useless one | 20:47 |
| brainwash | yea, I'll tell him about menulibre and then close the report (or tell him to reassign it do the nvidia driver package which installs the launchers in the first place) | 20:49 |
| brainwash | to the nvidia driver package | 20:49 |
| elfy | yep | 20:49 |
| elfy | Unit193: did you see ochosi's comments re minimal draft page earlier? "also, it's a bit brief. the first paragraph should explain a bit more what's good about it, but that only experienced users might wanna do it" | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm. | 20:55 |
| elfy | released now | 21:17 |
| elfy | ochosi: not done the front page of xubuntu.org though | 21:18 |
| elfy | night all | 21:18 |
| Unit193 | Also, should be ready to test core when I need to. | 21:18 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 21:18 |
| elfy | Unit193: I'll sort a call out for next week for that - then we can Done that trello card and blueprint | 21:19 |
| ochosi | (late) evening everyone | 21:33 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: btw, the xfpm plugin (in git master anyway) now has the minimum brightness level for scrolling over it as well | 21:34 |
| ochosi | so you can't accidentally shut off your display anymore ;) | 21:34 |
| ochosi | lderan: had to postpone your workitem for utopic btw since we're already past freeze | 21:41 |
| lderan | okay, sorry for not getting it complete in time | 21:42 |
| ochosi | sure no worries | 21:43 |
| ochosi | it happens | 21:43 |
| ochosi | would be good to keep us (i.e. either bluesabre or me) in the loop about these things | 21:43 |
| lderan | aye will do so in the future | 21:45 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 21:46 |
| ochosi | did you produce anything testable though or just didn't have time to work on it at all? | 21:46 |
| ochosi | (just curious cause i'd really love to have that around next cycle) | 21:46 |
| lderan | nothing yet :( | 21:48 |
| ochosi | ah ok :) | 21:48 |
| ochosi | just wanted to avoid duplicate efforts, in case anyone else decides to hack on it | 21:48 |
| lderan | will hopefully make some progress soon :) | 21:50 |
| ochosi | cool, that'd be nice | 21:52 |
| ochosi | should be easier than with light-locker-settings even, less UI :) | 21:52 |
| lderan | \o/ | 21:52 |
| ochosi | (and the underlying app is python, so should all integrate nicely) | 21:53 |
| lderan | huzzah for python :P | 21:54 |
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| brainwash | bluesabre: please take a look at bug 1313539 | 22:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1313539 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "monitor shows black screen and "no input signal" after turning the monitor off and on manually" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313539 | 22:41 |
| brainwash | "There is a regression bug between xfce4-settings 4.11.0-1ubuntu1 (saucy) and 4.11.2-1ubuntu2 (trusty)." | 22:41 |
| brainwash | display/monitor related | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | gah | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | we didn't change how the monitor turns on or off, just added an apply button | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | actually | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | we didn't change how monitors turn on or off, apply does not apply for that | 22:42 |
| brainwash | but still.. the saucy package seems to work fine for these guys | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | I'll take a look | 22:43 |
| brainwash | thank you :) | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | ok | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | so, the only other difference is two ubuntu versions | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | and Xorg, graphics drivers | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | lots of things at play here | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | oh right | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | later comments | 22:44 |
| brainwash | yeye | 22:44 |
| ochosi | why doesn't ubottu post a buglink anymore | 22:44 |
| ochosi | just a description | 22:45 |
| ochosi | bug #1313539 | 22:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1313539 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "monitor shows black screen and "no input signal" after turning the monitor off and on manually" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313539 | 22:45 |
| brainwash | he did | 22:45 |
| ochosi | awh crap, my terminal had partially moved offscreen :> | 22:45 |
| lderan | :P | 22:45 |
| Unit193 | !gender | 22:46 |
| ubottu | yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | "This issue does not occurs on another computer (with nVidia gfx card+Dell U2713HM+DVI cable)" | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | this sounds painful to debug | 22:47 |
| ochosi | seems a bit random | 22:47 |
| ochosi | not even sure how to reproduce that | 22:47 |
| ochosi | luckily the easy workaround is not to turn the monitor off manually :> | 22:48 |
| ochosi | maybe a bug with displayport? | 22:49 |
| ochosi | i mean xorg + displayport | 22:49 |
| brainwash | mmh, but saucy package installed in trusty works fine | 22:49 |
| ochosi | cause the other computer he mentions uses dvi | 22:49 |
| brainwash | according to the comments | 22:49 |
| ochosi | yeah, but from the scarce information we have, this seems to be the most promising lead | 22:50 |
| ochosi | i for one haven't used a computer with displayport, so i guess that could be a reason why i've never seen it :> | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | hardware bugs are the worse, since we can't just go and reproduce | 22:50 |
| brainwash | :/ | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | *worst | 22:51 |
| brainwash | at least we got some hints now | 22:51 |
| ochosi | also, note that the guy who said that 4.11.3 doesn't work for him isn't the OP | 22:51 |
| brainwash | right | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | good point | 22:51 |
| brainwash | but he should be also affected by this bug I'd guess | 22:52 |
| ochosi | well, if you could've learned anything from the black screen bug report it's that sometimes users comment on a bug because they *think* it's the same bug | 22:52 |
| ochosi | btw, it could be that the "new display"-listener causes that issue | 22:54 |
| ochosi | the one that pops up the minimal dialog | 22:55 |
| brainwash | asking them to run xfsettingsd in debug mode could help us | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | also, proposing this: | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | @palomino @knnniggett | 22:57 |
| meetingology | bluesabre: Error: "palomino" is not a valid command. | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | Hardware bugs are particularly difficult to diagnose since there is such a wide gamut of combinations. Can you try loading the xubuntu 14.10 beta1 live cd (no need to install) and see if this issue persists? xfce4-settings is built using the other xfce libraries, so you want to make sure you have the latest combinations... which the current beta provides. | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | If the issue does persist, can you also try switching monitors and testing again on both? If we can narrow down the hardware combination, that might help us find a lead. | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | thanks meetingology! | 22:57 |
| ochosi | btw, the mythbuntu bugreport is really loooong | 22:57 |
| ochosi | i wonder why they never brought this to our attention | 22:58 |
| ochosi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1308105 | 22:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1308105 in xfce4-settings "Xfce resets TV mode to NULL when power cycled" [Medium,Confirmed] | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:58 |
| brainwash | oh... I've ignored that report all the time | 22:58 |
| brainwash | quite a few comments there | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | and while not optimal, it would be nice if they could test with not-xfce as well | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | oh wait, older xfce4-settings is not an issue, so nvm that | 22:59 |
| brainwash | so 1313539 is yet another dupe | 23:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, also on that other report, they say they tested with gnome-shell | 23:00 |
| ochosi | seems that this is the upstream report: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107 | 23:01 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11107 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd resets TV mode to NULL on power cycle" [Normal,New] | 23:01 |
| ochosi | (extremely recent btw) | 23:01 |
| ochosi | so yeah, the code that lionel added for reactivating the internal laptop display seems to be the cause of some of this headache | 23:01 |
| ochosi | at least that's my superficial diagnosis | 23:02 |
| ochosi | although it should (note: should) only get that RandR signal of not having an active monitor connected only when unplugging the cable | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | good news is, this is not because of the latest 4.11.3 | 23:02 |
| ochosi | but unfortunately these hardware things work differently it seems | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:03 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:03 |
| ochosi | so while it fixes a very annoying problem, there seems to be a regression around in it | 23:03 |
| ochosi | although since it was a new feature at the time, it's not technically a regression | 23:03 |
| brainwash | so, we can mark the report as duplicate of the mythbuntu one? | 23:03 |
| ochosi | brainwash: not sure yet, i haven't tested or investigated anything, i'm just thinking out loud | 23:04 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: the upstream bugreport also has the debug output btw | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 23:04 |
| brainwash | wow, so this issue isn't that small after all | 23:05 |
| ochosi | well, it only happens in a very specific scenario | 23:05 |
| ochosi | and only with hardware that sends a specific RandR signal when it shouldn't | 23:05 |
| ochosi | (or at least when we'd not expect it to) | 23:05 |
| ochosi | anyway, time to go to sleep | 23:06 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | night ochosi | 23:06 |
| brainwash | good night | 23:07 |
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