[00:05] <sergio-br2> but it will be the default compositor in 14.10?
[00:09] <sergio-br2> ochosi, so if you install compton, it will come with this kind of config? http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/
[00:27] <bluesabre> sergio-br2, we're not shipping it as default
[00:28] <sergio-br2> :(
[00:28] <bluesabre> haven't seen that particular config, but ours works quite well
[00:32] <sergio-br2> bluesabre, the config is like that?
[00:33] <sergio-br2> http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/
[00:40] <bluesabre> sergio-br2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf
[00:40] <sergio-br2> k
[00:46] <xubuntu087> helo friends
[00:47] <xubuntu087> i'm Rafael, and i'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brasil...how are you?!
[00:47] <xubuntu087> sorry for my broken english..rss
[00:49] <xubuntu087> i'm new in linux, but i want learn this system...
[00:49] <Unit193> !br
[02:16] <petester> Hi!  I'm having trouble with intermittent freezing/crashes
[02:16] <petester> I'd like to figure out what the problem is so i can submit a proper bug report
[02:17] <holstein> petester: cool.. what would i do? i would try a live CD and see if the system seems the same.. if not, then, it could be something with my installed os, or the hard drive.. i would then, take time to test the memory from the live CD and then, look for and apply upgrades
[02:17] <petester> I saw some people having trouble with video drivers so I'm using the latest one from NVIDIA and still having troubl
[02:17] <holstein> if possible, i would try the hardware with  a supported operating system, to make sure its functioning properly
[02:17] <petester> holstein, thank you for the response, i havent tried a memtest yet but i will now
[02:17] <petester> also windows worked fine before i put ubuntu on
[02:17] <holstein> petester: if i had an nvidia driver in the mix, i would try and remove it from the equation as well
[02:18] <petester> Have you heard of people having problems due to their laptop trackpad?
[02:18] <petester> it seems to not happen when i use a bluetooth mouse (weird, i know)
[02:18] <holstein> petester: i dont know what "windows worked fine before i put ubuntu on it" means, but, ubuntu wont break windows.. so, if both operatings systems are acting "funny", i would troubleshoot hardware issues, just to make sure
[02:18] <petester> but i don't know how to confirm that's the issue
[02:19] <holstein> petester: just choose something, and remove it from the equation, and test
[02:21] <petester> holstein, thank you for the responses so far.  I'll run a memtest to try to rule that out, but I can play eve online for 2 hours with no crashes as long as i dont use the trackpad
[02:21] <holstein> petester: is the trackpad "bad" in windows?
[02:21] <petester> but then web browsing on chrome with a trackpad for ten minutes makes me have to hard reset
[02:21] <holstein> if so, its bad...
[02:21] <petester> holstein, i dont think so
[02:21] <holstein> petester: think?
[02:21] <petester> The trackpad worked great until i installed xubuntu
[02:21] <holstein> petester: you need to be like a detective, here.. you'll need to isolate these variables and see what it causing what
[02:22] <petester> but i don't know how to get a log of what is causing the crash
[02:22] <holstein> petester: a team of professionals were hired by the hardware vendor to provide you windows support.. you are taking that burden on yourself with the linux/ubuntu install
[02:22] <petester> im 90% that this is the trackpad, i just don't know how to confirm it
[02:22] <holstein> petester: does the trackpad crash windows?
[02:23] <petester> no
[02:23] <petester> hang on
[02:23] <petester> i don't have windows installed on the system anymore, just xubuntu
[02:23] <holstein> petester: ok.. then, i wouldnt assume its hardware related then.. i would, as i sugested, try a live CD, and se if you can make the machine crash using the trackpad
[02:24] <petester> im reading that i can ssh in to look at the syslog after a crash occurs
[02:24] <holstein> petester: ok.. then, you cant say the trackpad isnt malfunctioning..
[02:24] <holstein> petester: you can try
[02:24] <holstein> !ssh
[02:24] <holstein> petester: personally, the logs dont help me as much as isolating the variables and testing... but, you are welcome to try to ssh in to whatever and look at what you like
[02:25] <petester> and if i can't get in that means that it's a hard kernel crash, not just a problem with the desktop environment, correct?
[02:26] <holstein> petester: i dont think you can assume anything.
[02:26] <holstein> petester: if i had the hardware in front of me, i would pull the hard drive so hard rebooting doenst hurt the hard drive, and i would get the unit to "break" with a live CD, and see what the issue is.. if its the trackpad, i would search about how folks deal with it
[02:26] <holstein> petester: if i dont find a way, i might just disable it..
[02:27] <holstein> petester: this is also quite simple.. are you up to date with upgrades?
[02:27] <petester> holstein, thank you.  I found a thread where somebody had a similar issue and im trying to follow their guide now.
[02:27] <petester> holstein, yes, I try to check daily
[02:27] <holstein> petester: it has to be the *same* hardware for the guide to matter
[02:28] <petester> yeah ...
[02:28] <holstein> petester: i assure you, this is not a global xubuntu issue, but either something specific to your hardware, or hardware breakage
[02:28] <holstein> petester: you could literallly be the only person using xubuntu on that specific hardware.. since hardware can rev'd
[02:29] <petester> I totally agree / understand.  I'll try to fix this myself if I can isolate the problem, but i have no experience writing drivers
[02:29] <petester> i just have so little experience troubleshooting issues like this
[02:29] <petester> would linux-crashdump possibly help?
[02:30] <petester> i'm at the point where I'm 90% sure that's the issue, but I don't know how to confirm
[02:31] <holstein> !ssh
[02:32] <holstein> petester: ^ that should tell you how to install and run ssh
[02:32] <holstein> should be "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" or soemthing simple
[02:32] <petester> holstein, ok thanks.  I'm familiar with ssh :)
[02:32] <holstein> petester: i would try the main ubuntu channel and ask what logs are needed
[02:32] <petester> Thank you.  I'll keep asking around
[02:33] <holstein> since, *if* this is driver support related for either the trackpad and/or nvidia, you may get a larger audience in #ubuntu
[02:33] <holstein> and xubuntu *is* ubuntu, with the same kernel and hardware support
[02:33] <petester> yeah, just xfce instead of unity, right?
[02:33] <petester> i honestly like this version SO MUCH better
[02:34] <petester> Ubuntu had the same crashes when I was using it too though
[02:34] <holstein> well, theres a bit more to it than that, for sure.. but, its basically the same hardware support, which is helpful for you
[02:34] <holstein> petester: should be the exact same
[02:34] <petester> ok, thank you for giving me some pointers.
[02:34] <holstein> petester: tbh, i would even consider troubleshooting with main ubuntu on, just to take advantage of the larger community, if needed
[02:35] <holstein> this is a *great* team, and i personally *Really* like xubuntu.. and i would come right back after i learn how to "Fix" the issue.. but, it is a larger community upstream.. and the fixes will apply, assuming there are any
[02:35] <petester> there's no way i'm gonna switch from xubuntu anytime soon
[02:36] <petester> eventually i want to try contributing to the source but i have no idea what kind of help i could possibly be
[02:36] <petester> im such a noob
[02:36] <holstein> sure. i just have gotten "well, you are not runnig ubuntu, you need to go to #xubuntu" comments.. so, i'll just install main ubuntu, and get the support, and come back.. again, assuming there is support to recieve
[02:37] <petester> haha
[02:37] <holstein> could be plausible that you just need to disable the touchpad as well.. which, i personally dont mind doing..
[02:37] <petester> that would certainly be the easiest option
[02:37] <petester> but it would be nice to get it working
[02:38]  * ObrienDave can't stand touch pads or trackballs
[02:38] <holstein> petester: i say, if you can get in via ssh and "sudo halt" so that you are not causing potential damage to the hard drive, go for it
[02:39] <petester> okay, that's my next test then
[02:39] <petester> if you see me leave you'll know what happened :)
[02:39] <petester> honestly it could also be chrome now that i think about it
[02:39] <petester> that never dawned on me until now
[02:40] <petester> but it would be very weird
[02:43] <pete__> Hello!  this is petester.  The laptop crashed and I can talk to you through ssh
[02:43] <pete__> what's my next step again
[02:43] <pete__> (sorry, beer involved tonight)
[02:43] <ObrienDave> always a good time for beer ;P
[02:44] <pete__> yeah haha
[02:44] <holstein> pete__: thats good.. i mean, i would just do "sudo reboot" and keep trying to isolate what is causing the issue..
[02:44] <holstein> pete__: you can try a log though, and see if it helps you
[02:44] <pete__> i'm thinking it could even be something with the pdf stuff, but then I wouldn't be the only one having this issue
[02:44] <pete__> yeagh
[02:45] <holstein> pete__: i would disable the touchpad, and rule it out.. then, try isolating the nvidia driver with the vesa driver or the open driver
[02:46] <ObrienDave> pete__, most important, isolate and solve one issue at a time
[02:46] <pete__> i had the problem with the non proprietary drivers
[02:46] <pete__> yeah
[02:47] <pete__> checking logs now
[02:47] <holstein> pete__: i have forced the vesa driver to isolate the hardware as much as possible
[02:47] <pete__> doex xfce use xserver?
[02:47] <holstein> i would pull *all* hardware... all usb drives or hubs.. anything else plugged in
[02:48] <pete__> that's good advice, I'm looking for something obvious in the logs now
[02:48] <pete__> nothing in /var/log/syslog
[02:50] <pete__> I'm looking at this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/461404/trackpad-causing-xubuntu-freeze
[02:50] <holstein> pete__: is it the same hardware?
[02:50] <pete__> it says install gdm and use the trackpad in terminal, i'm not sure what he's saying
[02:50] <pete__> hold on let me google my laptop
[02:50] <holstein> !info gpm
[02:51] <holstein> pete__: ^
[02:51] <holstein> pete__: regardless, i like that for a test.. sudo apt-get install gpm, and they are saying you should see an error print if the trackpad is problematic
[02:52] <pete__> so install the software, keep the terminal open, and then just work as normal until a crash occurs?
[02:52] <pete__> and if it IS the trackpad, it will say so?
[02:52] <holstein> pete__: i actually just like the idea.. i havent ever used gpm.. i'll install it here and see how it works in tty
[02:52] <holstein> pete__: i would want to be in a tty
[02:52] <holstein> !tty
[02:53] <holstein> pete__: do tty's work?
[02:54] <pete__> I'll see, just push ctrl alt f1?
[02:54] <pete__> ill be right back
[02:54] <pete__> ok new info
[02:55] <pete__> i didn't do the tty thing yet
[02:55] <pete__> but i went to my laptop and the display was off
[02:55] <pete__> (the settings are set so that doesnt happen when plugged in)
[02:55] <pete__> anyway I hit escape, the login screen came on, I typed my password and it was unfrozen
[02:56] <holstein> interesting.. sounds like an x crash
[02:56] <pete__> I have not seen this happen before because I always do a hard reset before the screen sleeps out of frustration
[02:56] <pete__> I think I see something weird in the Xorg.0.log but im not sure
[02:56] <pete__> can i pastebin it?
[02:56] <ObrienDave> sure
[02:57] <holstein> !pastebinit
[02:57] <pete__> ok hang on i'll post it from the other user
[02:59] <pete__> omg that app is amazing
[02:59] <pete__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8165029/
[03:00] <pete__> god damn geniuses use linux
[03:00] <pete__> i saw where it says 'reporting number number number' over and over
[03:00] <pete__> at the end
[03:00] <pete__> not sure what that could mean
[03:01] <holstein> !language
[03:01] <pete__> it doesn't say anything like that anywhere else in the log
[03:01] <pete__> sorry
[03:01] <holstein> might need a custom xorg.conf for your trackpad
[03:01] <holstein> pete__: no worries.. its more a formality for the channels in general
[03:01] <pete__> i was just really excited by the pastebinit app
[03:01] <holstein> pete__: its handy :)
[03:01] <holstein> pete__: what is the hardware? the model #?
[03:03] <holstein> pete__: you know what i think i would do.. nomodeset on a live CD. or adding the line manually to the kernel running there and see... just temporarily at boot
[03:03] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:04] <pete__> asus n56v
[03:04] <pete__> it could have any number of extra characters on the end depending on the vender, but they should all have the exact same hardware
[03:04] <holstein> pete__: sure.. but thats actually an incorrect assumption
[03:05] <pete__> or so i was told by the guy i bought it from
[03:05] <holstein> pete__: you can actually have 2 *identical* model numbers with different hardware in them
[03:05] <holstein> pete__: as long as asus provides a windows driver for all the hardware, they can change chipsets, or revisions as needed on the product.. and many time they do
[03:06] <pete__> holstein: that's crazy
[03:06] <holstein> pete__: thats why this is so challenging.. you really cant simply maintain a list of guranteed compatible hardware for linux
[03:06] <pete__> i'm studying engineering, and the idea of that mortifies me
[03:07] <pete__> holstein: yeah, in the end i'll just end up disabling the trackpad, but the satisfaction would be so great if i could fix it
[03:07] <holstein> pete__: try nomodeset
[03:08] <holstein> pete__: im not convinced its the trackpad.. i still think its nvidia
[03:08] <pete__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1220426
[03:08] <pete__> this is it i bet
[03:08] <pete__> how can i check which nvidia i have?  i just did sudo-apt get install nvidia-current
[03:09] <holstein> i use lspci -v
[03:09] <pete__> the symptom is probably nvidia, i agree, but the cause is clearly the trackpad.  if you were using the laptop you would see
[03:10] <holstein> pete__: i think, again, you are making an assumption
[03:10] <pete__> agreed.
[03:11] <holstein> pete__: try nomodeset.. and try a custom xorg.conf.. if you were using a vesa driver and cannot make the machine lockup, then, i would think the trackpad is just triggering something
[03:11] <holstein> could totally be the trackpad, though... so dont leave that idea behind just yet
[03:13] <pete__> ok, i was trying to read the page i posted about the bug.  not sure if that is me, i agree
[03:13] <pete__> how do i do nomodeset
[03:13] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:13] <holstein> i would just add it manually to the grubline for my kernel in grub at boot
[03:14] <holstein> you can press shift to show it, if needed, and i think its "Tab" to edit
[03:14] <pete__> ok, i'm no grub veteren but i'll try it out.  this requires a reboot i believe
[03:14] <ObrienDave> yup
[03:14] <pete__> oh, you mean hold tab when the system comes up?
[03:14] <holstein> yes.. you would reboot, and press shift, and add what is needed to the kernel modeline for your kernel
[03:15] <pete__> hold shift while it boots?
[03:15] <holstein> pete__: no.. shift is what will bring grub up.. (i think) its tab that edits.. its printed what edits
[03:15] <pete__> okok i'll try now
[03:15] <pete__> goodbye for a couple minutes
[03:15] <ObrienDave> "e" iirc
[03:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[03:16] <holstein> well, i can share that when he comes back :)
[03:16] <ObrienDave> maybe i'll just lurk, getting tired
[03:16] <holstein> yeah.. me too..
[03:17] <ObrienDave> AHA! it was "e" ;P
[03:17] <holstein> ObrienDave: for "edit" :)
[03:17] <holstein> ObrienDave: i only remembered that it was printed what to press on the screen
[03:18] <ObrienDave> yea, i have to do that at every new kernel ;S
[03:18] <ObrienDave> except i like grub-customizer
[03:18] <holstein> ObrienDave: what modeline to you have to add?
[03:18] <holstein> petester: BTW, http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu outlines the process in detail
[03:18] <petester> does using efi change things
[03:18] <petester> ok ty
[03:19] <holstein> petester: AFAIK, efi can break everything and anything.. if it can be disabled, i would
[03:19] <holstein> especially since you are just using xubuntu and not windows anymore
[03:19] <ObrienDave> i get an Ubuntu entry. it does not like to update the kernel info. i do it manually in grub-customizer
[03:19] <holstein> but, i wouldnt bother with that now..
[03:19] <holstein> ObrienDave: oh, i see
[03:20] <ObrienDave> it's just a copy/paste. takes 10 seconds
[03:21] <petester> don't see grub customizer in the repos
[03:22] <holstein> petester: thats not for you
[03:22] <ObrienDave> petester, it's a PPA
[03:22] <holstein> !ppa
[03:22] <ObrienDave> petester, we'll leave those things for another day :)
[03:22] <petester> but if i'm using efi then i don't have grub, correct?
[03:22] <holstein> petester: i personally would just try nomodeset, and dont stray too far from stock til you get this issue worked out, or at least identified..
[03:22] <ObrienDave> no, don't worry about EFI for now
[03:23] <holstein> petester: you should still have grub..
[03:23] <petester> i want to try the nomodeset, but i don't know how because holding shift didnt work
[03:23] <ObrienDave> try tapping shift, some have reported ctrl key
[03:23] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/128128/how-to-boot-without-nomodeset
[03:23] <petester> I'll try both.  brb
[03:23] <holstein> you can add it to grub manually, but, i would keep track of what you change and how
[03:26] <petester> haha I was about to pour my heart out to #ubunut
[03:26] <ObrienDave> so we saw LOL
[03:26] <petester> I can't get to the grub screen right now, but I'm gonna get some sleep and try fresh tomorrow
[03:27] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/128128/how-to-boot-without-nomodeset
[03:27] <holstein> you can see how to edit the line manually there ^
[03:27] <petester> I'm gonna write this nomodeset thing down and investigate further
[03:27] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:27] <petester> seriouslt this community rocks, thanks for giving me so many pointers
[03:27] <holstein> petester: you can literallly try it from a live CD as well.. live usb stick.. whatever you installed from
[03:27] <holstein> petester: good luck!
[03:28] <ObrienDave> see you tomorrow petester....... oh well, beer thirty ;P
[07:30] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, as you know, Ubuntustudio is built on xubuntu.  Seems that some things didn't make it to final release.
[07:32] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave,  xscreensaver is still present = thought lightdm was the replacement.  menulibre is nowhere to be seen.
[07:32] <cfhowlett> whiskermenu and mugshot are likewise missing
[07:32] <ObrienDave> yea, i was shocked to see menulibre not there
[07:33] <ObrienDave> whiskermenu can be installed
[07:33] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, easy enough to add, it's just that the 14.04 release notes state these are the new packages so ... where the hell did they go?
[07:34] <ObrienDave> menulibre was crashing on me. not sure Unit193 might know
[07:34] <ObrienDave> seems they were taken out of .1
[07:36] <ObrienDave> i kind of liked menulibre, the little i got to use it LOL
[07:37] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, wait, what?  after all that work to add they yanked it?!
[07:38] <ObrienDave> oops, it's still there
[07:38] <ObrienDave> what was the other menu editor?
[07:39] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, alacarte
[07:39] <ObrienDave> that's the one i really liked
[07:39] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, sending the release notes via DCC
[09:13] <alket> Hi , for the moment im using Kubuntu , i want to switch to xubuntu but without reinstall , is it possible ? I also don't want kde "things" to run in background since I won't need them. Thanks.
[09:14] <ObrienDave> alket, just install xubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <ObrienDave> then select it at logon screen
[09:15] <alket> ObrienDave: will kde debs run in background ?
[09:16] <ObrienDave> yes unless you turn them off
[09:16] <ObrienDave> alket, all Ubuntu flavors use the same "core" just different DEs
[09:16] <alket> ObrienDave: thanks
[10:05] <kpel> Do you know of any decent diff tool for 14.04 now that xxdiff isn't supported?
[10:06] <ObrienDave> ummm, diff?
[10:06] <ObrienDave> !info diff
[10:06] <ObrienDave> umm, what the hay
[10:06] <kpel> ObrienDave: sorry, i didn't clarify. diff tool wuth a gui
[10:07] <kpel> used to work with xxdiff for yeards but now it seems only fldiff remains as supported (and it's horrible)
[10:07] <Unit193> I'm guessing fl = fltk, so yeah it would be.
[10:08] <ObrienDave> !info meld
[10:08] <kpel> aha!
[10:08] <ObrienDave> i would not know the diff anyway ;P
[10:09] <kpel> let's have a look
[10:09] <kpel> OMG no. it's for gnome :P
[10:10] <kpel> i'll use my freebsd box for noe. it has xxdiff installed :P
[10:10] <kpel> thanks ObrienDave
[10:10] <ObrienDave> you asked for a GUI. picky, picky ;P
[10:11] <ObrienDave> kpel, welcome, i think ;P
[10:11] <kpel> no gnomes in this box ;)
[10:11] <ObrienDave> if it works......
[10:12] <kpel> yeah... i wonder what made the ubuntu guys drop xxdiff. it did work.
[10:13] <ObrienDave> !info xxdiff
[10:13] <kpel> maybe some dependency on ancient libs. oh well
[10:13] <ObrienDave> i would not know the diff anyway ;P
[10:14] <kpel> no worries
[10:14] <Unit193> !info xxdiff precise
[10:14] <Unit193> !info xxdiff unstable
[10:15]  * Unit193 scratches head.
[10:15] <kpel> so th esource is there...
[10:15] <kpel> maybe somehow they forgot to build it? :P
[10:16] <Unit193> Normally things are sync'd from Unstable, and that's clearly a newer version...
[10:36] <kpel> I bit the bullet and installed meld and its legion of dependencies. I must admit it looks very nice and seems to be functional too. I'm not so picky after all ObrienDave ;)
[10:36] <ObrienDave> ok, well, there is hope for you yet ;p lol
[10:37] <kpel> ObrienDave: but this little chat of ours got me thinking how simplicity is taken for granted. And then we end up installing half of gnome for a gui tool. Scary...
[10:38] <ObrienDave> if it works......
[10:39] <ObrienDave> but then again i have a 1TB partition dedicated for xubuntu LOL
[10:43] <kpel> lolol
[10:44] <kpel> "dependencies? bring 'em on!"
[10:44] <ObrienDave> yup, not worrying too much about drive space LOL
[10:45] <kpel> it's not the drive space i'm worried about. the dependencies themselves are a weakness.
[10:46] <kpel> too many ways things can go wrong
[10:46] <ObrienDave> this is true
[11:04] <ObrienDave> yea, there have been a few times i had so much junk on here that it died and i had to reinstall the system. aggravating
[11:06] <kpel> I have a way of dealing with that: In install an LTS release and when the next one is out the update invaraibly trashes my system. So I'm forced to salvage my data (SSH ftw) and start from scratch ;)
[11:07] <kpel> s/In/I/
[11:08] <kpel> I am impressed with the looks of 14.04. Almost Mac-like
[11:08]  * ObrienDave digs out an old 11.04 install disk, no macs here ;P
[11:22] <sadki_PL> hello
[11:24] <kpel> hi
[11:24] <ObrienDave> sadki_PL, greetings and welcome
[11:27] <finrod> Is there a terminal command to list all the files in my CD ROM?
[11:28] <kpel> finrod: ls -Ral /path/to/cdrom
[11:28] <kpel> you probably want to redirect the output to a file
[11:29] <finrod> I tried "ls cdrom" It was accepted, but produced no results
[11:29] <ObrienDave> finrod, it does not work that way
[11:29] <kpel> aye
[11:29] <ObrienDave> finrod, kpel> finrod: ls -Ral /path/to/cdrom
[11:30] <finrod> I have a bunch of video files on the CD which show up in Windows, but nothing shows up in Xubuntu.  yeah, I'm trying that, thanks
[11:30] <kpel> finrod: you need to find where the cdrom was mounted. try looking at the output of 'df -h'
[11:31] <ObrienDave> finrod, and do they show up in the file manager?
[11:31] <finrod> ls: cannot access /path/to/cdrom: No such file or directory
[11:31] <finrod> No, I tried two file managers
[11:32] <finrod> but when I typed "ls" one of  the files listed is cdrom
[11:32] <ObrienDave> fin that is an example /path/to/cdrom. you need to fill in the proper path LOL
[11:32] <kpel> finrod: do you see any icons appearing on your desktop when you insert the cd?
[11:33] <finrod> No, but my visual drive makes a lot of noise when I put it in
[11:33] <finrod> My optical drive
[11:33] <ObrienDave> then it's not mounting the disk
[11:33] <finrod> It sonds like it's trying to read it over and over and can't
[11:34] <ObrienDave> how old is the disk?
[11:34] <finrod> 1 year old
[11:34] <kpel> finrod: and if you try another disk it works ok?
[11:34] <ObrienDave> is it clean? no scratches?
[11:34] <finrod> Yes
[11:35] <finrod> all DVDs work on VLC Media Player until I put in Supernatural
[11:35] <kpel> if other disks work ok then maybe there is some copy protection scheme that works on windows only
[11:35] <finrod> yeah, it must be related to copy protection
[11:36] <kpel> if it's  a dvd it's worth checking the region
[11:36] <finrod> It's not an authentic DVD
[11:36] <kpel> a long time ago I had to manually set the region of my dvd player in linux in order to match the region of my dvds
[11:36] <kpel> !info regionset
[11:36] <kpel> that
[11:37] <finrod> My friend downloaded a bunch of TV shows and put them into a DVD, and gave me the DVD
[11:37] <finrod> they are all the Supernatural TV show episodes from Season 7 on one DVD
[11:39] <kpel> I think we have established that the problem has to do with the specific dvd. so your friend is the best source for support from this point on. maybe he didn't finish properly the write session? maybe soem copy protection gets in the way? no idea.
[11:39] <finrod> I just got my DVD player working yesterday, after some problems downloading LibDVDcss, but I successfully installed LibDVDcss and VLC Media Player, and it works with all the regular DVDs I bought
[11:41] <finrod> I have no problems accessing the video files in Windows XP, and they play in VLC Media. but they don't work in Windows Media
[11:42] <finrod> so it must be related to copyrights.  I think Windows Media said that whenn I tried to play it.  I forgot, something about the codes.
[11:42] <kpel> this whole thign screams copy protection
[11:42] <finrod> yeah, encryption, may be
[11:43] <finrod> the supernatural DVDs I bought work fine
[11:44] <finrod> Although Parole Media Player still has problems with the GStreamer for my authentic bought DVDs
[11:44] <finrod> for some of them
[11:46] <finrod> But I am not concerned about Parole Media.  I prefer using VLC Media Player for all my DVDs in both Windows and Xubuntu platforms
[11:54] <finrod> df -h
[11:54] <finrod> /dev/sr0        6.9G  6.9G     0 100% /media/finrod13/BLADE_RUNNER_FINAL_CUT
[11:54] <finrod> Does that help with the path name, kpel?
[11:55] <kpel> finrod: yes, the path is /media/finrod13/BLADE_RUNNER_FINAL_CUT
[11:55] <kpel> so if you want to see the files do a ls -Ral /media/finrod13/BLADE_RUNNER_FINAL_CUT
[11:56] <kpel> not sure why it's called blade runner instead of supernatural but that's none o fmy business
[11:57] <finrod> That Blade Runner DVD works fine
[11:57] <kpel> ah, you tried another disk
[11:57] <kpel> there you have it then. it's a protection thing.
[11:57] <finrod> I thought it could help me find a similar path for the supernatural DVD, but when I typed df -h nothing similar showed up
[11:58] <finrod> It's like the whole Supernatural DVD is not recognized at all by Xubuntu
[11:58] <kpel> my limited knowledge of multimedia stops here I'm afraid.
[11:59] <kpel> this is the end and all that :P
[11:59] <finrod> Well, I can still play all the videos in Windows, but I figured it was worth a try in xubuntu
[11:59] <kpel> sure, always worth an experiment
[12:00] <finrod> thanks for your help
[12:00] <kpel> you are welcome
[12:04] <finrod> Hey, I got a path name
[12:04] <finrod> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/sr0'. Check the log for details.
[12:04] <finrod> But I can't find the log, still looking
[12:19] <kpel> finrod: /dev/sr0 is a device name. The way it works is that this device has to be mounted on the filesystem so that its files can be accessed from a path like /media/finrod13/something
[12:20] <kpel> if you do a df -h you normally see the device name and path name on the same line
[12:21] <kpel> e.g. /dev/sda1 could be mounted on / (the root directory)
[12:56] <wrongplace> hi, I bought this usb 3.0-SATS adapter http://www.ebay.com/itm/AKE-Laptop-Notebook-54mm-Express-USB3-0-3-port-5GB-s-HUB-T-Card-adapter-FL1100-/230787820999?pt=US_Internal_Port_Expansion_Cards&hash=item35bc06adc7 and i dont know how to install or where to get drivers for my xubuntu 124.04 64 bits. Drivers inclided in the cd are for windows
[12:59] <kpel> wrongplace: if it is supported, chances are that the drivers are already there
[13:00] <wrongplace> there = cd or internet?
[13:01] <kpel> on your linux installation most likely
[13:01] <kpel> the drivers are most likely already installed. all drivers come together with the linux kernel
[13:02] <kpel> try booting with the adapter plugged in and then go through the output of dmesg
[13:02] <wrongplace> a...
[13:02] <wrongplace> ok
[13:12] <wrongplace> 722 MB per second with usb 3.0
[13:12] <wrongplace> never seen
[13:12] <kpel> happy customer?
[13:12] <wrongplace> seems so
[13:13] <kpel> good :)
[13:13] <wrongplace> ill test the thing for 2 weeks
[13:13] <wrongplace> ever bought a port usb 3.0 - sata that failed?
[13:13] <kpel> in a terminal window do a 'dmesg | grep -i usb' and see if it mentions usb 3.0
[13:13] <kpel> it may even say which kernel module (i.e. driver) you are using
[13:14] <kpel> wrongplace: no, never bought such a thing
[13:14] <wrongplace> usb 5
[13:14] <wrongplace> whats that?
[13:14] <wrongplace> and the list is huge
[13:14] <kpel> probably some brand name?
[13:15] <kpel> or a device number
[13:15] <wrongplace> there are at lest 5 lines that name "usb 3"
[13:16] <kpel> you can filter even further if you want, e.g. for manufacturers: dmesg | grep -i usb | grep Manuf
[13:16] <wrongplace> not necessary kpel but thanks
[13:16] <wrongplace> for all
[13:17] <kpel> no problem :)
[13:17] <kpel> happy testing
[13:17] <kpel> as a rule of thumb all the device drivers are bundled with the default linux installation
[13:18] <kpel> sometimes you might need to do a bit of extra work but normally things work out of the box or aren't supported at all.
[13:19] <kpel> anyway, gotta go. bye all
[14:44] <dmd> Is there any way to monitor ALL valid channels in xfconf-query? A lot of times when I'm trying to find out what key to set to correspond to some GUI settings, I don't know what channel to monitor and I have to go through by trial and error.
[14:54] <akis_> 14.04.01 is already available for 12.04 users to upgrade using update manager. did any one of you proceed with an upgrade and did he face any issues?
[14:55] <cfhowlett> akis_, for some reason: sudo do-release-upgrade won't work.  sudo apt do-release-upgrade             does work
[14:57] <akis_> cfhowlett: will work the upgrade choise through update manager?
[14:59] <cfhowlett> akis_, if the manager is set for LTS upgrades only - yes.
[15:02] <akis_> cfhowlett: actually, i am writing about LTS. did you face any problems or issues after the upgrade?
[15:05] <cfhowlett> akis_, I only do LTS and I clean install.  Issues = 0.  In fact, it was actually smoother.  12.04 didn't support wifi without work.  14.04 wifi worked out of the box.
[15:07] <akis_> cfhowlett: i am looking for any issues after upgrade on 12.04 (not a clean installation). Do you run 14.04 on the same system's configuration and you found it smoother?
[15:09] <brainwash> akis_: you should also read http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-14-04-1-released/
[15:10] <brainwash> there is a small section about known issues
[15:10] <cfhowlett> akis_, there were several changes between  12.04 and 14.04 PLUS I'm on Ubuntustudio so *not QUITE* pure xubuntu.  That said, I'm impressed and have had no issues worth mentioning.
[15:13] <akis_> brainwash: i am trying to avoid a new installation because it is hard for me to re-configure 3 systems from the beginning. Any idea on this? Upgrade on 12.04 or clean installation after a /home backup?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> akis_, clean install fixes a whole range of problems and is usually worth the extra effort IMHO
[15:15] <brainwash> and you should backup /home in both scenarios :)
[15:16]  * cfhowlett thinks this goes without saying ...
[15:16] <akis_> cfhowlett: i know that but reconfiguration is very difficult for me
[15:17] <cfhowlett> akis_, if all machines are identical you could always image your system and install that
[15:17] <cfhowlett> !clone
[15:18] <akis_> cfhowlett: they are not!
[17:20]  * m3n3chm0 hi
[17:23] <bennypr0fane> Hello, I ma in a bit of a pickle. I just installed 14.04, but I need Windows7 to be the default boot option (no UEFI). I found instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS but I can't find the menu.lst file in /boot/grub, it's not there.
[17:27] <bennypr0fane> and the second problem is, My Broadcom Wifi isn't working. When trying out  live from USB, it worked with the proprietary driver, but now I have no internet and the driver isn't there. apparently I'd have to download it, but I have no internet...
[17:32] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Get the package on a flash drive.
[17:33] <ambutts> For your non-free firmware.
[17:33] <voidfire> any ideas as to why greek keyboard  layouts no matter which one you choose xubuntu will deny putting tones above the letters?
[17:33] <voidfire> like any special greek character you need to press the ';' key before the letter to get it with a tone above it like the i letter has a tone above it
[17:33] <voidfire> im using xubuntu 14.04 and ofc ive done the casual research on the matter but no solution
[17:41] <bennypr0fane> ambutts, how can I find it?
[17:42] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Which wireless adapter is it?
[17:42] <ambutts> Run `lspci` to find out, I believe Ubuntu has that installed by default.
[17:42] <bennypr0fane> ok
[17:42] <ambutts> One of the items should be a wireless adapater.
[17:43] <bennypr0fane> ambutts: it's broadcom BCM43227
[17:44] <bennypr0fane> voidfire: maybe your locale is not compleetly installed
[17:45] <bennypr0fane> voidfire: that is always the case with the german one after installation. You usually have to load additional pkgs
[17:51] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Sorry, I'm a lazy PoS and got distracted. Do you have an Ethernet cable handy?
[17:51] <ambutts> If so: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA_-_Internet_access
[17:52] <ambutts> These instructions should work.
[17:55] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: My bad, scroll down to 'No Internet access'.
[17:55] <bennypr0fane> ambutts: sorry, no cable available
[17:56] <ambutts> Then do the No Internet access route.
[17:56] <ambutts> If you need to grab the kernel headers pop them on a flash drive or burn them to a CD or something.
[18:00] <bennypr0fane> ambutts: then where do I get those? I gather my driver would be on the insatllation media?
[18:17] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Somebody else will help with this, I can't right now.
[18:17] <ambutts> Sorry bud, but re-read the wiki I linked and Google for the other info and if you can't find what you need somebody will help you out.
[20:09] <csenger41> hello
[20:10] <csenger41> anyone experiencing problem with Google services? they take minutes for me to load, but everything else works fine
[20:26] <ronin> thank you guys, I love xubuntu
[20:27] <Unit193> csenger41: Working fine for me.
[20:27] <Unit193> ronin: Glad you like it.
[20:27] <Unit193> I sure do.
[20:28] <csenger41> Unit193: worked fine for me for the last 1 week, since I installed Xubuntu, it started donig this today when I got home from work
[20:28] <Unit193> csenger41: What browser?
[20:30] <csenger41> Unit193: both Chromium and Firefox
[20:31] <csenger41> Opera, too
[20:33] <Unit193> Tried clearing out the cache and cookies?  I don't see it helping, but could try the guest account and see how that goes.
[20:35] <csenger41> well thanks, I'll try that
[20:36] <csenger41> nope, still not working
[20:37] <Unit193> Is this at other locations/computers too?
[20:38] <csenger41> no
[20:39] <csenger41> maybe I should try a restart?
[20:39] <drc> csenger41: Was the "nope, still not working" the cache/cookies or the guest account?
[20:40] <Unit193> Not really sure what to tell you, one thought would be something like DNS being slow so it'd come back slower, but that wouldn't be just Google.
[20:40] <csenger41> clearing cache
[20:41] <drc> csenger41: Try this 1) close FF, 2) rename ~/.mozilla, 3) open FF and see if it's still slow.
[20:41] <csenger41> drc: I use Chromium 99% of the time
[20:42] <drc> you can rename the original ~/.mozilla back when you're done
[20:42] <drc> do what you want then.
[20:42] <Unit193> csenger41: Same concept there, only with ~/.cache/chromium/ and ~/.config/chromium/
[20:44] <drc> If the problems happens will FF/chromium and opera, this probably won't help...but it's good to eliminate one possible source of the problem :)
[20:45] <Unit193> Indeed, I'm not really sure what it would be, I've had no such problems and can't think of why.
[20:48] <drc> may a quick change to another set of DNS servers to test...another possible problem source eliminated if it doesn't work.
[20:50] <csenger41> thanks for the tips, I'll keep them in mind, but I have to go to sleep now or else I fall on the keyboard :D
[20:50] <csenger41> bye, good night
[20:57] <treker> hi I using dual monitor and the  default panel is on the wrong monitor, any way to move or copy the panel to my main monitor?
[20:58] <treker> my monitor that I want the panel on is laready configured to be my primary monitor :/
[20:59] <OstravanCZ> Hi, I have a problem with Firefox. When you enter gmail.com will be redirected to the example http://poyzz.exclusiverewards.mysurveycenter-rules.com/?sov=173652&hid=dtplldlnrhldfdftd&&id=cGiveaways2 or http://hvrzz.exclusiverewards.mysurveycenter-rules.com/?sov=173652&hid=dltdhftlnfdftd&&id=cGiveaways2 .  I tried to restart Firefox, restore your router to factory settings, changed password but still nothing helped. I have FF vers
[20:59] <OstravanCZ> I'll be glad for any advice.
[21:07] <OstravanCZ> I find it quite strange. I have no extensions installed and it is a week old clean install of Xubuntu.
[23:10] <wrongplace> the usb3 to smartcard adapter I bought no longer recognizes HDD
[23:10] <wrongplace> it worked perfectly for 6 hours
[23:10] <wrongplace> I plugged the unit off and the thing stopped recognizing external hdds
[23:10] <wrongplace> any tips?