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pittiGood morning04:45
TheMusoHey pitti.04:45
pittihey TheMuso, long time no see; all good?04:47
TheMusopitti: Indeed. How about yourself?04:59
pittiTheMuso: quite fine; mostly survived the RTM madness :)04:59
TheMusoI feel lucky to not be involved with that atm. :)05:00
didrocksgood morning05:35
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Laneyhey didrocks ;-)06:20
didrocksevening Laney! How is debconf?06:20
Laneygood! fun to catch up with people and make crazy plans06:21
Laneygoing to break^wimprove gi in experimental tomorrow maybe ;-)06:22
TheMusoHey Laney. :)06:22
Laneyhey TheMuso06:23
Laneyhow's it going?06:23
didrocksLaney: oh, "nice" ;)06:23
Laney& you didrocks?06:23
Laneydon't think I spoke to you since your holidays!06:23
Laneydid you have a nice time?06:23
TheMusoLaney: Well thanks, just doing a few last things before EOW and a week off. :)06:23
didrocksLaney: I'm fine, thanks! And yeah, holidays were really nice, despite weather not being so warm. Relaxing at least ;)06:23
Laney"only" 28°c or so? :)06:23
LaneyTheMuso: nice, got plans in particular?06:24
didrocksLaney: air temperature, yeah ;)06:25
didrocksLaney: water was 18-20°C06:25
TheMusoLaney: A few, I need to do a bit of cleanup around here, the closet in my office needs some tidying, and various other sundaries. Otherwise, probably spend a little time on some FOSS stuff I care about and work on in my own time, and probably spend most time just doing other things. Reading, music, etc.06:25
LaneyOh nice, I should take some time off to stay at home some time. Always end up going away when I've got holiday days.06:27
TheMusoI'm not much of a traveler except for work, so its rare that I go anywhere on time off, mostly over Christmas.06:28
Laneynight06:40
Laneyhappy holidays TheMuso!06:40
didrocksgood night Laney ;)06:40
TheMusoLaney: Thanks, enjoy the rest of Debconf.06:45
seb128good morning desktopers!06:50
didrocksmorning seb12806:51
seb128lut didrocks ;-)06:53
willcookemorning guys07:30
didrocksmorning willcooke07:31
larsuhi willcooke07:32
seb128hey willcooke07:35
didrockshappyaron: phew, finished the second MIR checking. Thanks for your initial work. Still a lot of questions/work needed though. I tried to summarize all that on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaml-cpp/+bug/1356222/comments/3. Tell me if you need any help/if you have any question :)08:01
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 1356222 in presage "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete]08:01
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1356222 in presage (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete]08:01
didrocks(I couldn't change last status to incomplete because launchpad keeps timeouting on me)08:01
happyarondidrocks: so the problem is all of those need new upstream release?08:17
didrockshappyaron: not all, I noted those which needs08:17
didrocksI tried to separate by concerns as much as possible and tell you when something needs a release, or just need an upload or just need to be in packaging git (default)08:18
didrocksbut yeah, opening a bug (seeing that most of them don't have an answer in the past 15 days) isn't enough to hope "it will be fixed" and don't let us redistribute it08:18
happyarondidrocks: I think I can drop some of them from MIR if upstream reaction isn't active enough08:21
didrockshappyaron: sure, that works too08:21
happyaronOK, will deal in detail tomorrow. need to sleep now08:21
didrockshappyaron: have a good night!08:22
willcookecaps lock weirdness on the U8 desktop.   "Sometimes" it just toggles, i.e. Caps lock light on but lower case, and vice versa.  I can't reproduce it reliably so I think I'll just wait until the text input bugs are fixed and try again08:25
seb128yeah, keyboard input on Mir/unity8 is not really something they focus on atm I think08:26
willcookethat's fair I reckon08:28
willcookegreets robert_ancell - happy Friday night :)08:28
robert_ancellwillcooke, hey08:28
seb128oh, a robert_ancell08:29
seb128hey ;-)08:29
robert_ancellseb128, Laney https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/xrandr/+merge/224548 and https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-control-center/libusd/+merge/232676 should now work much better. Please review.08:29
seb128great!08:29
willcookeseb128, not *a*... *THE*.  He's from the internet you know08:29
seb128robert_ancell, do you have a ppa with those by any chance?08:30
robert_ancellseb128, in particular the packaging is a bit dodgy - I've included a new library in the unity-settings-daemon package rather than splitting it out. It also means anything that was using the .pc file now will link against a library (though it's probably nothing apart from u-c-c).08:30
robert_ancellseb128, no, but I can shove them into the desktop PPA if you want08:30
seb128robert_ancell, that would be nice08:32
seb128robert_ancell, is the library public or in a private dir?08:32
robert_ancellseb128, it's a public library because it would be more effort to make it private. I don't expect anyone to link to it though08:33
seb128k08:33
robert_ancellseb128, it all feels a bit yucky but I figure it's not worth doing it "properly" since this is all a stop-gap measure anyway08:33
seb128yeah08:34
seb128it needs to be stable enough to ship in stable series08:34
seb128but that should be the case08:34
robert_ancellyes, it's essentially just a copy of libgnome-desktop so it should work as well08:35
seb128we are not far from what I suggested by then ;-)08:35
seb128"ship a libgnome-desktop3.8", build u-c-c-/u-s-d with it08:36
robert_ancellseb128, indeed! :)08:36
robert_ancellWasn't there some reason why that wasn't desirable?08:37
robert_ancellI think the thing that makes it easier to maintain is it's part of u-s-d, so you only have two moving parts (u-s-d+u-c-c) instead of three08:37
robert_ancellWhich honestly is probably how upstream should manage it too08:37
seb128the reasons were "if it's a public library, things might start using it" and "it's a duplicate source"08:38
robert_ancellNow it's just a sneaky library that people probably wont notice :)08:38
robert_ancellhuh, there is an -0ubuntu2 that wasn't pushed into bzr...08:39
robert_ancellactually, I think I did that08:39
mitya57Hi, what process sets the UBUNTU_MENUPROXY env variable? I can't find anything related in my upstart jobs, and codesearch refuses to do its job.08:40
seb128robert_ancell, lol08:43
seb128mitya57, nothing?08:45
seb128mitya57, why would that variable be set?08:45
mitya57seb128, it is set for me =)08:48
seb128mitya57, what ubuntu release?08:48
mitya57seb128, utopic, gnome flashback08:48
seb128mitya57, do you have a appmenu-gtk still installed or something?08:48
seb128mitya57, grep in /etc/X11/Xsession.d for leftover scripts?08:49
mitya57no08:49
mitya57Found it, unity-gtk-module used to be setting it before http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.14.10/revision/331, I had a custom conf file and didn't change it on upgrade.08:53
seb128k08:54
Mirvseb128: if you want to proceed with the unity 8 desktop app startup failure (qmlscene), you could test the PPA and comment (possibly in the upstream proposal too). it seems to take time to have it properly accepted. https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/kubuntu-packaging/qtchooser_qmlscene_fallback/+merge/23059508:58
seb128Mirv, oh, I meant to ping on that email yesterday and forgot, thanks for the reminder ;-)09:02
seb128Mirv, what is it blocked on?09:02
Mirvseb128: upstream approval. of course, it's possible to distro patch too.09:04
Mirvscott would like to have upstream approval09:04
seb128Mirv, do we know anyone upstream we could ping for review?09:04
seb128or maybe scottk can help there?09:04
Mirvseb128: thiago is probably the only one, since it's qtchooser09:04
Mirvthere maybe resistance to the approach still, as per the codereview discussions09:04
Mirvhmm, I'll try pinging thiago. anyway, test results wouldn't hurt either.09:05
didrocksok, going for a run as it seems it's going to rain this afternoon!09:05
Mirvok, not online or on vacation, needs to be later09:05
GunnarHjseb128: Hi Sebastien!09:06
GunnarHjseb128: I'm struggling with a postinst script where I want to identify the calling user. However, when installing via software-center, a lot of variables, including $PKEXEC_UID, have been dropped from the environment. Is this intended or a bug? Is there any other way do achieve the goal?09:06
seb128hey GunnarHj, how are you?09:06
GunnarHjseb128: Fine, thanks. Hope you are as well.09:07
seb128GunnarHj, there is no "calling user" for system upgrades09:07
seb128GunnarHj, what are you trying to achieve?09:07
seb128I'm good, thanks09:07
GunnarHjseb128: With calling user I mean the user who is triggering the install.09:07
seb128yeah, that seems buggy09:08
seb128installs could be done by a server admin09:08
seb128or oem preinstalled09:08
seb128what are you trying to do?09:08
GunnarHjseb128: Making changes in the /home of the user in question.09:08
seb128GunnarHj, don't09:09
seb128that's wrong/doesn't work09:09
seb128the home could be on a nfs server and not mounted at the time of the installation09:09
seb128there is also no reason the thing you are trying to do should apply to the user installing09:09
seb128you might be installing the package for another user on the same machine and not yourself for example09:10
GunnarHjseb128: In this case it's motivated to try, at least. ;) (Would take too long to explain, I think.) One option might be to try to do it for all available users.09:11
seb128GunnarHj, usually you rather want to do those by adding an autostart desktop and having that running for the user at next login09:12
GunnarHjseb128: Hmm.. That's a good thought. Will think about it. Thanks!09:13
seb128GunnarHj, yw!09:13
robert_ancellseb128, Laney are the dbus, empathy and gnome-terminal packages in the PPA now obsolete?09:30
seb128robert_ancell, dbus and empathy are, not sure for g-t09:31
seb128Laney is at debconf so on U.S west time09:31
seb128you are not likely to get a reply today09:31
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seb128happyaro1, ibus, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt suggests that updating ibus makes ibus-pinyin not installable for some reason11:38
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seb128happyaro1, ok, I've uploaded a fix for that (ibus-pinyin needed to python-ibus -> pythin-gi in its depends)11:59
seb128mterry_, hey12:31
seb128mterry_, I managed to put my settings in a weird lock-setting state, how would I reset that?12:31
mterry_seb128, oh huh12:31
seb128mterry_, like the device is on "swipe to unlock" but settings think I'm on password12:31
mterry_seb128, well you can reset on command line with passwd12:32
seb128and they don't accept my password/passphrase12:32
seb128k12:32
mterry_seb128, ugh12:32
mterry_seb128, how'd that happen?  :(12:32
seb128I tried to change from swipe to pincode12:32
seb128I entered the pin and confirmation12:32
seb128but the dialog returned an error12:32
seb128and after that it displayed the setting set on passphrase?!12:32
seb128but the ui still acts as swipe unlock12:33
seb128and it doesn't take the pincode I entered as valid so I can't change it back to swipe or something else12:33
mterry_seb128, that's super weird, since they both ultimately pull from PAM12:33
seb128yet it's what I see... :-)12:33
mterry_though maybe settings never reset its idea after the failure12:34
mterry_in which case I should fix that case12:34
mterry_seb128, I'm guessing just closing out settings and re-opening would fix that then12:34
seb128let me try to close/restart those12:34
seb128mterry_, no, restarting setting doesn't do it12:36
mterry_seb128, then you must have set a password when it gave you the error12:38
seb128mterry_, you mean a passphrase rather than a pincode? I don't think I did, I had the numpad, not the full keyboard12:38
mterry_seb128, I just meant either12:39
seb128k12:39
seb128well, I'm pretty sure I entered a valid 4 digits pin with a confirmation matching, not sure why it errored out12:39
seb128what is weird is that it doesn't take the said pin to unlock now12:39
seb128well, and the greeter is on swipe mode...12:40
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seb128kenvandine, hey13:33
seb128kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/security-translation-tweak/+merge/23270513:33
seb128kenvandine, i18n.tr("%1").arg(sims[index].title)13:33
seb128was the intend to translate the "title"13:33
seb128is title a well-defined list?13:33
seb128or user edited/dynamic?13:33
kenvandineseb128, it could be the name set in gsettings, if user edited13:35
kenvandineor... it would be like SIM 113:36
seb128kenvandine, ok, so no way to translate that13:36
kenvandineso i guess that doesn't make sense to translate13:36
seb128right13:36
seb128I was just checking, in case I needed to look a bit more at how we can translate it13:36
kenvandinei think we do the same thing in the phone panel13:36
ChrisTownsendseb128: Hey!  I'm trying to log into the Unity8 desktop preview ISO live session and the Unity 8 greeter wants the Ubuntu-desktop-next password.  Do you know what this password is?  I've tried ubuntu to no avail.13:36
seb128kenvandine, seems to be the only translatable instance13:37
seb128ChrisTownsend, did you try "phablet"?13:38
ChrisTownsendseb128: Nope, I'll try that.13:38
kenvandine081813:38
ChrisTownsendseb128: No go.13:38
seb128ChrisTownsend, :-(13:38
kenvandinewhoops :)13:38
seb128mterry_, bregma, do you know if we have a default password for unity8 desktop?13:39
seb128ChrisTownsend, is that the live image? it should autolog you in/have it to unlock on swipe13:39
mterry_no, I don't know.  I assumed ubiquity assigned one?13:39
seb128ChrisTownsend, you can also try empty password (e.g just hit enter)13:39
mterry_oh right the live image13:39
ChrisTownsendseb128: Empty password doesn't work either.13:40
seb128:-(13:40
seb128is that a recent regression?13:40
seb128it used to just log in/have swipe13:40
bregmait goes though regular PAM user authentication... try either "phablet" or "ubuntu"13:40
ChrisTownsendseb128: I opened a bug about the greeter popping up.13:40
ChrisTownsendbregma: Neither of those work.13:40
seb128ChrisTownsend, go to a vt and try to use passwd to set one?13:40
bregmathe ISO should autologin and PAM should be doing that through the U8 greeter too13:41
ChrisTownsendseb128: I'll try that.13:41
seb128but that seems buggy :/13:41
ChrisTownsendbregma: It's a bug where the greeter pops up no matter what.  I opened a bug about that.13:41
ChrisTownsendhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/136030713:42
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 1360307 in unity8 "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [Undecided,New]13:42
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1360307 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [Undecided,New]13:42
seb128mterry_, ok, help ;-)13:43
seb128mterry_, how do I reset the auth type?13:43
ChrisTownsendGeez, when I try to set the passwd, it asks for the current passwd, so I try either ubuntu or phablet and it returns "Authentication token manipulation error".13:43
mterry_seb128, oh that's a dbus property13:43
seb128mterry_, I tried to "passwd phablet" and set to ubuntu, then go to the security panel, change to swipe and enter "ubuntu" as password, but it says it's invalid13:43
mterry_seb128, what's going on over there?13:44
seb128mterry_, over where?13:45
ChrisTownsendOk, in the VT, if I just hit enter for the passwd, now it lets me change it.13:45
mterry_seb128, over at your device13:45
ChrisTownsendNo I can log in.13:46
seb128mterry_, should I try to rm /var/lib/AccountsService/users/phablet13:46
ChrisTownsendErr, now I can log in.13:46
seb128ChrisTownsend, weird13:46
ChrisTownsendseb128: The user has a blank password, but the greeter does not accept that.13:46
ChrisTownsendseb128: So using your suggestion, changing the password in the VT and using that password, I can get by the greeter.13:47
seb128ChrisTownsend, that doesn't make sense, it should swipe to unlock in those cases13:47
mterry_seb128, that's drastic13:47
seb128which it was doing until recently13:47
mterry_seb128, maybe just edit the field you want and restart13:47
seb128mterry_, I need to change that setting and I'm running out of ideas how to manage to do that :/13:47
ChrisTownsendseb128: I think it's due to the bug I posted above.13:47
ChrisTownsendseb128: It goes to the lockscreen/greeter no matter what in the desktop.13:48
seb128ChrisTownsend, that bug is a duplicate, and as said that screen was already there but used to swipe-unlock13:48
ChrisTownsendseb128: Hmm, ok, well, I'm only reporting what I see:)13:48
seb128ChrisTownsend, do you know when that started?13:49
seb128ChrisTownsend, do you have previous dailies you could try?13:49
ChrisTownsendseb128: Not sure.  This is the first time I've tried the live session.13:49
ChrisTownsendseb128: I've been using the iso in an LXC for the LXC project I've been working on and in that case, this lockscreen/greeter thing showed right around the time I entered that bug.13:51
willcookehey qengho13:59
qenghoyo14:05
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willcookeaaiiiiieeee - my NUDT t shirt has shrunk by about half14:27
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attente_seb128, didrocks, is the fcitx MIR going ok?14:30
attente_should i file the FFe?14:30
xclaessepitti, I was wondering how stable is systemd in 14.10 already?14:34
didrocksattente_: still need some fixing from happyaro1, I followed up on the MIR bug14:35
popeyGah. Just updated my utopic desktop... upstart: unity7 main process (6122) killed by SEGV signal upstart: unity7 main process ended, respawning14:35
xclaessewas planning to give a try to next ubuntu this weekend and was wondering if it's good enough with systemd14:35
attente_didrocks, ok, thanks14:35
pittixclaesse: I run it all the time; there's a bunch of known problems (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=systemd-boot) but TBH I have mostly forgotten that I'm running it14:38
pittixnox: system partitions on NFS are probably broken (but then again, who has that), and a lot of packages still have only upstart jobs; but not for general desktop/development tasks14:39
xclaessepitti, cool, I will give it a try then, thanks !14:39
xclaessepitti, is there already a more precise release schedule for systemd?14:40
xclaessefor the switch to make it default14:40
pittixclaesse: no, not really I'm afraid; AFAICS I'm pretty much the only person who works on this, and it's only a side issue (it's not at all my main job)14:41
pittixclaesse: the main task is now to fix packages which only have upstart jobs; they need a systemd unit, or at least an init.d script14:41
pittionce we have that, we are pretty much ready to switch14:42
pittithere was also an alternative plan to run upstart as a "deputy init", but nobody worked on that14:42
pitti... in utopic14:42
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didrocksdarkxst: hey, I've burnt by far my MIR budget for the week, I see that tracker now deps on a new MIR for mediaart, I'll only be able to check it next Monday I guess15:02
darkxstdidrocks, current tracker upload does not depend on that15:03
darkxstso the mediaart MIR can be done seperately15:03
didrocksdarkxst: libtracker-miner-1.0-dev doesn't need to go to Main?15:03
didrocksand so libtracker-miner-1.0-0 neither, I guess?15:04
darkxstdidrocks, It was built with --disable-mediaart15:04
didrocksdarkxst: yeah, but those binary packages doesn't need to go to main?15:05
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didrocksas libtracker-miner-1.0-dev still deps on mediaart15:05
didrocksand won't be installable then, if pushed to main15:05
didrocks(without universe enable)15:05
didrocksenabled*15:06
darkxstdidrocks, hmm seems I missed that one15:09
didrocksdarkxst: I can upload it and then promote15:09
darkxstdidrocks, there is no need to depend on any libmediaart for now15:09
didrocksdarkxst: ok, let me change this, upload, and then, promote15:10
darkxstdidrocks, thanks,  I am way past bed time, should be off now15:10
didrocksdarkxst: yeah, that's why I propose this :)15:11
didrocksdarkxst: have a nice week-end, I'll handle it :)15:11
darkxstdidrocks, I will, off for a big mountain bike ride in the morning :)15:11
didrocksdarkxst: waow, enjoy :)15:12
darkxstdidrocks, night!15:13
didrocksgood night :)15:15
seb128attente_, what didrocks said15:36
seb128attente_, it doesn't hurt to file the ffe even if the MIR is not approved yet15:36
seb128just don't subscribe the release team yet15:36
attente_ok15:37
attente_seb128, btw, that issue you had earlier should be fixed now15:37
seb128great!15:37
seb128how did you fix it? was it by teaching fcitx about fr+oss? if so, are we likely to have other similar/missing configs?15:38
attente_seb128, it turned out to be just a dumb mistake i made when trying to get the fcitx keyboard layout name from the xkb name15:39
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attente_but i didn't realize it was there because it only affected keyboard layouts with a variant15:40
happyaronseb128: thanks!15:40
seb128k, "good" I guess (at least better than a design issue)15:40
seb128happyaron, hey, yw!15:40
willcookeseb128, do you happen to know - can the dialer app be installed on U8 desktop?  I appreciate it won't do anything, but I'm curious about a use case thought I've just had15:47
willcookeI'm expecting that if it can, it will run in the side stage15:47
seb128willcooke, right, it should install/run fine in the sidestage15:48
seb128it might not do a lot if you don't have a sim though15:48
willcookeI'll give it a whirl, something like apt-get install ubuntu-dialer-app I expect15:49
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willcookeah15:50
willcookedialer-app15:50
willcooke:)15:50
didrockswillcooke: yeah, after lenghty discussion, all apps we have packaged in ubuntu we are upstream for don't starts with ubuntu- :)15:51
didrocksI'll spare you the details :p15:51
willcookelulz15:51
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didrocksdarkxst: once you will be back: tracker promoted now (still -0ubuntu5 in proposed, running autopkgtests), and I rebuilt successfully nautilus on all ach. So everything should be fine once you are back ;)16:22
* Laney wibbles16:44
* didrocks waves good evening and good week-end!16:54
willcookeqengho, I hear that the PDF viewer for Chrome(ium) is now open source16:56
qenghowillcooke: Sure is. pdfium.16:56
willcookewoot16:56
qenghowillcooke: I'm including it soon.16:56
willcookesweet!16:57
willcookethat will be good news, I miss not having it16:57
willcookeI could install Chrome, but I wont16:57
willcookeaaaaaaaaaand it's the weekend16:57
qenghoHave a nice one. US is off on Moon Day.16:57
willcookeah, thx for the heads up.16:58
willcookehave a  nice long weekend16:58
qengho:)16:58
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