[04:45] Good morning [04:45] Hey pitti. [04:47] hey TheMuso, long time no see; all good? [04:59] pitti: Indeed. How about yourself? [04:59] TheMuso: quite fine; mostly survived the RTM madness :) [05:00] I feel lucky to not be involved with that atm. :) [05:35] good morning === oCrazyLemn is now known as CrazyLemon === oCrazyLemn is now known as CrazyLemon [06:20] hey didrocks ;-) [06:20] evening Laney! How is debconf? [06:21] good! fun to catch up with people and make crazy plans [06:22] going to break^wimprove gi in experimental tomorrow maybe ;-) [06:22] Hey Laney. :) [06:23] hey TheMuso [06:23] how's it going? [06:23] Laney: oh, "nice" ;) [06:23] & you didrocks? [06:23] don't think I spoke to you since your holidays! [06:23] did you have a nice time? [06:23] Laney: Well thanks, just doing a few last things before EOW and a week off. :) [06:23] Laney: I'm fine, thanks! And yeah, holidays were really nice, despite weather not being so warm. Relaxing at least ;) [06:23] "only" 28°c or so? :) [06:24] TheMuso: nice, got plans in particular? [06:25] Laney: air temperature, yeah ;) [06:25] Laney: water was 18-20°C [06:25] Laney: A few, I need to do a bit of cleanup around here, the closet in my office needs some tidying, and various other sundaries. Otherwise, probably spend a little time on some FOSS stuff I care about and work on in my own time, and probably spend most time just doing other things. Reading, music, etc. [06:27] Oh nice, I should take some time off to stay at home some time. Always end up going away when I've got holiday days. [06:28] I'm not much of a traveler except for work, so its rare that I go anywhere on time off, mostly over Christmas. [06:40] night [06:40] happy holidays TheMuso! [06:40] good night Laney ;) [06:45] Laney: Thanks, enjoy the rest of Debconf. [06:50] good morning desktopers! [06:51] morning seb128 [06:53] lut didrocks ;-) [07:30] morning guys [07:31] morning willcooke [07:32] hi willcooke [07:35] hey willcooke [08:01] happyaron: phew, finished the second MIR checking. Thanks for your initial work. Still a lot of questions/work needed though. I tried to summarize all that on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaml-cpp/+bug/1356222/comments/3. Tell me if you need any help/if you have any question :) [08:01] Ubuntu bug 1356222 in presage "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] [08:01] Ubuntu bug 1356222 in presage (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] [08:01] (I couldn't change last status to incomplete because launchpad keeps timeouting on me) [08:17] didrocks: so the problem is all of those need new upstream release? [08:17] happyaron: not all, I noted those which needs [08:18] I tried to separate by concerns as much as possible and tell you when something needs a release, or just need an upload or just need to be in packaging git (default) [08:18] but yeah, opening a bug (seeing that most of them don't have an answer in the past 15 days) isn't enough to hope "it will be fixed" and don't let us redistribute it [08:21] didrocks: I think I can drop some of them from MIR if upstream reaction isn't active enough [08:21] happyaron: sure, that works too [08:21] OK, will deal in detail tomorrow. need to sleep now [08:22] happyaron: have a good night! [08:25] caps lock weirdness on the U8 desktop. "Sometimes" it just toggles, i.e. Caps lock light on but lower case, and vice versa. I can't reproduce it reliably so I think I'll just wait until the text input bugs are fixed and try again [08:26] yeah, keyboard input on Mir/unity8 is not really something they focus on atm I think [08:28] that's fair I reckon [08:28] greets robert_ancell - happy Friday night :) [08:28] willcooke, hey [08:29] oh, a robert_ancell [08:29] hey ;-) [08:29] seb128, Laney https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/xrandr/+merge/224548 and https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-control-center/libusd/+merge/232676 should now work much better. Please review. [08:29] great! [08:29] seb128, not *a*... *THE*. He's from the internet you know [08:30] robert_ancell, do you have a ppa with those by any chance? [08:30] seb128, in particular the packaging is a bit dodgy - I've included a new library in the unity-settings-daemon package rather than splitting it out. It also means anything that was using the .pc file now will link against a library (though it's probably nothing apart from u-c-c). [08:30] seb128, no, but I can shove them into the desktop PPA if you want [08:32] robert_ancell, that would be nice [08:32] robert_ancell, is the library public or in a private dir? [08:33] seb128, it's a public library because it would be more effort to make it private. I don't expect anyone to link to it though [08:33] k [08:33] seb128, it all feels a bit yucky but I figure it's not worth doing it "properly" since this is all a stop-gap measure anyway [08:34] yeah [08:34] it needs to be stable enough to ship in stable series [08:34] but that should be the case [08:35] yes, it's essentially just a copy of libgnome-desktop so it should work as well [08:35] we are not far from what I suggested by then ;-) [08:36] "ship a libgnome-desktop3.8", build u-c-c-/u-s-d with it [08:36] seb128, indeed! :) [08:37] Wasn't there some reason why that wasn't desirable? [08:37] I think the thing that makes it easier to maintain is it's part of u-s-d, so you only have two moving parts (u-s-d+u-c-c) instead of three [08:37] Which honestly is probably how upstream should manage it too [08:38] the reasons were "if it's a public library, things might start using it" and "it's a duplicate source" [08:38] Now it's just a sneaky library that people probably wont notice :) [08:39] huh, there is an -0ubuntu2 that wasn't pushed into bzr... [08:39] actually, I think I did that [08:40] Hi, what process sets the UBUNTU_MENUPROXY env variable? I can't find anything related in my upstart jobs, and codesearch refuses to do its job. [08:43] robert_ancell, lol [08:45] mitya57, nothing? [08:45] mitya57, why would that variable be set? [08:48] seb128, it is set for me =) [08:48] mitya57, what ubuntu release? [08:48] seb128, utopic, gnome flashback [08:48] mitya57, do you have a appmenu-gtk still installed or something? [08:49] mitya57, grep in /etc/X11/Xsession.d for leftover scripts? [08:49] no [08:53] Found it, unity-gtk-module used to be setting it before http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.14.10/revision/331, I had a custom conf file and didn't change it on upgrade. [08:54] k [08:58] seb128: if you want to proceed with the unity 8 desktop app startup failure (qmlscene), you could test the PPA and comment (possibly in the upstream proposal too). it seems to take time to have it properly accepted. https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/kubuntu-packaging/qtchooser_qmlscene_fallback/+merge/230595 [09:02] Mirv, oh, I meant to ping on that email yesterday and forgot, thanks for the reminder ;-) [09:02] Mirv, what is it blocked on? [09:04] seb128: upstream approval. of course, it's possible to distro patch too. [09:04] scott would like to have upstream approval [09:04] Mirv, do we know anyone upstream we could ping for review? [09:04] or maybe scottk can help there? [09:04] seb128: thiago is probably the only one, since it's qtchooser [09:04] there maybe resistance to the approach still, as per the codereview discussions [09:05] hmm, I'll try pinging thiago. anyway, test results wouldn't hurt either. [09:05] ok, going for a run as it seems it's going to rain this afternoon! [09:05] ok, not online or on vacation, needs to be later [09:06] seb128: Hi Sebastien! [09:06] seb128: I'm struggling with a postinst script where I want to identify the calling user. However, when installing via software-center, a lot of variables, including $PKEXEC_UID, have been dropped from the environment. Is this intended or a bug? Is there any other way do achieve the goal? [09:06] hey GunnarHj, how are you? [09:07] seb128: Fine, thanks. Hope you are as well. [09:07] GunnarHj, there is no "calling user" for system upgrades [09:07] GunnarHj, what are you trying to achieve? [09:07] I'm good, thanks [09:07] seb128: With calling user I mean the user who is triggering the install. [09:08] yeah, that seems buggy [09:08] installs could be done by a server admin [09:08] or oem preinstalled [09:08] what are you trying to do? [09:08] seb128: Making changes in the /home of the user in question. [09:09] GunnarHj, don't [09:09] that's wrong/doesn't work [09:09] the home could be on a nfs server and not mounted at the time of the installation [09:09] there is also no reason the thing you are trying to do should apply to the user installing [09:10] you might be installing the package for another user on the same machine and not yourself for example [09:11] seb128: In this case it's motivated to try, at least. ;) (Would take too long to explain, I think.) One option might be to try to do it for all available users. [09:12] GunnarHj, usually you rather want to do those by adding an autostart desktop and having that running for the user at next login [09:13] seb128: Hmm.. That's a good thought. Will think about it. Thanks! [09:13] GunnarHj, yw! [09:30] seb128, Laney are the dbus, empathy and gnome-terminal packages in the PPA now obsolete? [09:31] robert_ancell, dbus and empathy are, not sure for g-t [09:31] Laney is at debconf so on U.S west time [09:31] you are not likely to get a reply today === Trevinho_ is now known as Trevinho === lool- is now known as lool [10:07] hrm/ [10:07] mencoder doesnt seem to be in U === siel_ is now known as siel === greyback__ is now known as greyback === mitya57_ is now known as mitya57 === xnox_ is now known as xnox === zoktar_ is now known as zoktar === popey_ is now known as popey === oCrazyLemn is now known as CrazyLemon === siel_ is now known as siel === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === bigon_ is now known as bigon === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel [11:38] happyaro1, ibus, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt suggests that updating ibus makes ibus-pinyin not installable for some reason === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [11:59] happyaro1, ok, I've uploaded a fix for that (ibus-pinyin needed to python-ibus -> pythin-gi in its depends) [12:31] mterry_, hey [12:31] mterry_, I managed to put my settings in a weird lock-setting state, how would I reset that? [12:31] seb128, oh huh [12:31] mterry_, like the device is on "swipe to unlock" but settings think I'm on password [12:32] seb128, well you can reset on command line with passwd [12:32] and they don't accept my password/passphrase [12:32] k [12:32] seb128, ugh [12:32] seb128, how'd that happen? :( [12:32] I tried to change from swipe to pincode [12:32] I entered the pin and confirmation [12:32] but the dialog returned an error [12:32] and after that it displayed the setting set on passphrase?! [12:33] but the ui still acts as swipe unlock [12:33] and it doesn't take the pincode I entered as valid so I can't change it back to swipe or something else [12:33] seb128, that's super weird, since they both ultimately pull from PAM [12:33] yet it's what I see... :-) [12:34] though maybe settings never reset its idea after the failure [12:34] in which case I should fix that case [12:34] seb128, I'm guessing just closing out settings and re-opening would fix that then [12:34] let me try to close/restart those [12:36] mterry_, no, restarting setting doesn't do it [12:38] seb128, then you must have set a password when it gave you the error [12:38] mterry_, you mean a passphrase rather than a pincode? I don't think I did, I had the numpad, not the full keyboard [12:39] seb128, I just meant either [12:39] k [12:39] well, I'm pretty sure I entered a valid 4 digits pin with a confirmation matching, not sure why it errored out [12:39] what is weird is that it doesn't take the said pin to unlock now [12:40] well, and the greeter is on swipe mode... === Pici` is now known as Pici [13:33] kenvandine, hey [13:33] kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/security-translation-tweak/+merge/232705 [13:33] kenvandine, i18n.tr("%1").arg(sims[index].title) [13:33] was the intend to translate the "title" [13:33] is title a well-defined list? [13:33] or user edited/dynamic? [13:35] seb128, it could be the name set in gsettings, if user edited [13:36] or... it would be like SIM 1 [13:36] kenvandine, ok, so no way to translate that [13:36] so i guess that doesn't make sense to translate [13:36] right [13:36] I was just checking, in case I needed to look a bit more at how we can translate it [13:36] i think we do the same thing in the phone panel [13:36] seb128: Hey! I'm trying to log into the Unity8 desktop preview ISO live session and the Unity 8 greeter wants the Ubuntu-desktop-next password. Do you know what this password is? I've tried ubuntu to no avail. [13:37] kenvandine, seems to be the only translatable instance [13:38] ChrisTownsend, did you try "phablet"? [13:38] seb128: Nope, I'll try that. [13:38] 0818 [13:38] seb128: No go. [13:38] ChrisTownsend, :-( [13:38] whoops :) [13:39] mterry_, bregma, do you know if we have a default password for unity8 desktop? [13:39] ChrisTownsend, is that the live image? it should autolog you in/have it to unlock on swipe [13:39] no, I don't know. I assumed ubiquity assigned one? [13:39] ChrisTownsend, you can also try empty password (e.g just hit enter) [13:39] oh right the live image [13:40] seb128: Empty password doesn't work either. [13:40] :-( [13:40] is that a recent regression? [13:40] it used to just log in/have swipe [13:40] it goes though regular PAM user authentication... try either "phablet" or "ubuntu" [13:40] seb128: I opened a bug about the greeter popping up. [13:40] bregma: Neither of those work. [13:40] ChrisTownsend, go to a vt and try to use passwd to set one? [13:41] the ISO should autologin and PAM should be doing that through the U8 greeter too [13:41] seb128: I'll try that. [13:41] but that seems buggy :/ [13:41] bregma: It's a bug where the greeter pops up no matter what. I opened a bug about that. [13:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1360307 [13:42] Ubuntu bug 1360307 in unity8 "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [Undecided,New] [13:42] Ubuntu bug 1360307 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [Undecided,New] [13:43] mterry_, ok, help ;-) [13:43] mterry_, how do I reset the auth type? [13:43] Geez, when I try to set the passwd, it asks for the current passwd, so I try either ubuntu or phablet and it returns "Authentication token manipulation error". [13:43] seb128, oh that's a dbus property [13:43] mterry_, I tried to "passwd phablet" and set to ubuntu, then go to the security panel, change to swipe and enter "ubuntu" as password, but it says it's invalid [13:44] seb128, what's going on over there? [13:45] mterry_, over where? [13:45] Ok, in the VT, if I just hit enter for the passwd, now it lets me change it. [13:45] seb128, over at your device [13:46] No I can log in. [13:46] mterry_, should I try to rm /var/lib/AccountsService/users/phablet [13:46] Err, now I can log in. [13:46] ChrisTownsend, weird [13:46] seb128: The user has a blank password, but the greeter does not accept that. [13:47] seb128: So using your suggestion, changing the password in the VT and using that password, I can get by the greeter. [13:47] ChrisTownsend, that doesn't make sense, it should swipe to unlock in those cases [13:47] seb128, that's drastic [13:47] which it was doing until recently [13:47] seb128, maybe just edit the field you want and restart [13:47] mterry_, I need to change that setting and I'm running out of ideas how to manage to do that :/ [13:47] seb128: I think it's due to the bug I posted above. [13:48] seb128: It goes to the lockscreen/greeter no matter what in the desktop. [13:48] ChrisTownsend, that bug is a duplicate, and as said that screen was already there but used to swipe-unlock [13:48] seb128: Hmm, ok, well, I'm only reporting what I see:) [13:49] ChrisTownsend, do you know when that started? [13:49] ChrisTownsend, do you have previous dailies you could try? [13:49] seb128: Not sure. This is the first time I've tried the live session. [13:51] seb128: I've been using the iso in an LXC for the LXC project I've been working on and in that case, this lockscreen/greeter thing showed right around the time I entered that bug. [13:59] hey qengho [14:05] yo === olli_ is now known as olli === dobey_ is now known as dobey [14:27] aaiiiiieeee - my NUDT t shirt has shrunk by about half === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:30] seb128, didrocks, is the fcitx MIR going ok? [14:30] should i file the FFe? [14:34] pitti, I was wondering how stable is systemd in 14.10 already? [14:35] attente_: still need some fixing from happyaro1, I followed up on the MIR bug [14:35] Gah. Just updated my utopic desktop... upstart: unity7 main process (6122) killed by SEGV signal upstart: unity7 main process ended, respawning [14:35] was planning to give a try to next ubuntu this weekend and was wondering if it's good enough with systemd [14:35] didrocks, ok, thanks [14:38] xclaesse: I run it all the time; there's a bunch of known problems (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=systemd-boot) but TBH I have mostly forgotten that I'm running it [14:39] xnox: system partitions on NFS are probably broken (but then again, who has that), and a lot of packages still have only upstart jobs; but not for general desktop/development tasks [14:39] pitti, cool, I will give it a try then, thanks ! [14:40] pitti, is there already a more precise release schedule for systemd? [14:40] for the switch to make it default [14:41] xclaesse: no, not really I'm afraid; AFAICS I'm pretty much the only person who works on this, and it's only a side issue (it's not at all my main job) [14:41] xclaesse: the main task is now to fix packages which only have upstart jobs; they need a systemd unit, or at least an init.d script [14:42] once we have that, we are pretty much ready to switch [14:42] there was also an alternative plan to run upstart as a "deputy init", but nobody worked on that [14:42] ... in utopic === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:02] darkxst: hey, I've burnt by far my MIR budget for the week, I see that tracker now deps on a new MIR for mediaart, I'll only be able to check it next Monday I guess [15:03] didrocks, current tracker upload does not depend on that [15:03] so the mediaart MIR can be done seperately [15:03] darkxst: libtracker-miner-1.0-dev doesn't need to go to Main? [15:04] and so libtracker-miner-1.0-0 neither, I guess? [15:04] didrocks, It was built with --disable-mediaart [15:05] darkxst: yeah, but those binary packages doesn't need to go to main? === om26er is now known as om26er|dinner [15:05] as libtracker-miner-1.0-dev still deps on mediaart [15:05] and won't be installable then, if pushed to main [15:05] (without universe enable) [15:06] enabled* [15:09] didrocks, hmm seems I missed that one [15:09] darkxst: I can upload it and then promote [15:09] didrocks, there is no need to depend on any libmediaart for now [15:10] darkxst: ok, let me change this, upload, and then, promote [15:10] didrocks, thanks, I am way past bed time, should be off now [15:11] darkxst: yeah, that's why I propose this :) [15:11] darkxst: have a nice week-end, I'll handle it :) [15:11] didrocks, I will, off for a big mountain bike ride in the morning :) [15:12] darkxst: waow, enjoy :) [15:13] didrocks, night! [15:15] good night :) [15:36] attente_, what didrocks said [15:36] attente_, it doesn't hurt to file the ffe even if the MIR is not approved yet [15:36] just don't subscribe the release team yet [15:37] ok [15:37] seb128, btw, that issue you had earlier should be fixed now [15:37] great! [15:38] how did you fix it? was it by teaching fcitx about fr+oss? if so, are we likely to have other similar/missing configs? [15:39] seb128, it turned out to be just a dumb mistake i made when trying to get the fcitx keyboard layout name from the xkb name === happyaro1 is now known as happyaron [15:40] but i didn't realize it was there because it only affected keyboard layouts with a variant [15:40] seb128: thanks! [15:40] k, "good" I guess (at least better than a design issue) [15:40] happyaron, hey, yw! [15:47] seb128, do you happen to know - can the dialer app be installed on U8 desktop? I appreciate it won't do anything, but I'm curious about a use case thought I've just had [15:47] I'm expecting that if it can, it will run in the side stage [15:48] willcooke, right, it should install/run fine in the sidestage [15:48] it might not do a lot if you don't have a sim though [15:49] I'll give it a whirl, something like apt-get install ubuntu-dialer-app I expect [15:49] * willcooke searches [15:50] ah [15:50] dialer-app [15:50] :) [15:51] willcooke: yeah, after lenghty discussion, all apps we have packaged in ubuntu we are upstream for don't starts with ubuntu- :) [15:51] I'll spare you the details :p [15:51] lulz === elopio_ is now known as elopio === robru_brb is now known as robru === om26er|dinner is now known as om26er === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:22] darkxst: once you will be back: tracker promoted now (still -0ubuntu5 in proposed, running autopkgtests), and I rebuilt successfully nautilus on all ach. So everything should be fine once you are back ;) [16:44] * Laney wibbles [16:54] * didrocks waves good evening and good week-end! [16:56] qengho, I hear that the PDF viewer for Chrome(ium) is now open source [16:56] willcooke: Sure is. pdfium. [16:56] woot [16:56] willcooke: I'm including it soon. [16:57] sweet! [16:57] that will be good news, I miss not having it [16:57] I could install Chrome, but I wont [16:57] aaaaaaaaaand it's the weekend [16:57] Have a nice one. US is off on Moon Day. [16:58] ah, thx for the heads up. [16:58] have a nice long weekend [16:58] :) === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === m_conley` is now known as m_conley_away === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === lifeless1 is now known as lifeless