[03:03] Can anyone explain why I'm getting this result? I have two vga cards in my system running 2 X Displays, one one each monitor. I open a terminal on X display 0 and start `top`. Then I switch to X display 1 and start another terminal and it kills the terminal on X Display 0, why? [03:44] KaibutsuX_home: only the terminal? what do you mean by "it kills".. you mean, the terminal process? or top? is that all that crashes that way? is it just one terminal emulator? [03:48] well, it was a nice try anyway [04:53] I just got xubuntu and it won't reconize my wireless adapter. It's a netgear wnda3100v2. Any fixes? [04:56] sec [05:08] well it seems all of the instructions are pretty old [05:10] hi. did anyone count any problems or issues upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04. is it any danger for the system to be messed if i choose to upgrade and not to proceed with a clean installation? [05:10] akis, your choice. both work. [05:12] cfhowlett: hi. upgrade over 12.04 is a side installation or it is a real upgrade over the previous version. does it takes double space? [05:12] Pestboy, this looks promising. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2052594&p=12228106#post12228106 [05:12] akis, up to the user. you can install next to 12.04 or replace 12.04 [05:13] Pestboy, no guarantees though :) [05:13] akis, if "next to" then yes, double the space requirements [05:13] akis, upgrade will overwrite 12.04 [05:15] cfhowlett: i prefer to overwrite 12.04. will any of my configuration to be changed? [05:17] ObrienDave: how long does it takes to be upgraded the system? [05:17] akis, assume you'll need to reconfigure everything [05:17] @0brienDave I have no clue how to use ndiswrapper, I knew that it may need it but I have like no linux experiance [05:18] akis, it's a new install so it takes ... as long as an install takes [05:18] akis, depending on your connection and system speed, 20 to 90 minutes [05:18] or more [05:18] cfhowlett: even i upgrade over 12.04??? [05:18] akis, yes, it's a new system [05:19] ObrienDave: you mean that my /home will be deleted? [05:20] akis, no, your personal files should be ok after the upgrade [05:20] again, i say SHOULD [05:20] do a proper backup first [05:20] akis, do not format your /home. DO NOT format your /home [05:20] ObrienDave: so i think i wont have to re-configurate my apps [05:21] Pestboy, i don't know either [05:21] !broadcom | Pestboy [05:21] Pestboy: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [05:22] cfhowlett: sure i wont. because if i have to reconfigurate my /home there is no reason to choose upgrade over 12.04 instead of a new clean installation. isnt it? [05:22] akis, probably not but you will probably have to update all of them [05:22] ObrienDave: probably these are not good news! [05:24] akis, i can't say for sure one way or the other. it MIGHT be ok, it MIGHT not. ymmv [05:25] akis, you're installing. ASSUME things will break. backup your backup. note your configurations in so you can restore your apps. then proceed. if things go smoothly, great. if you must reconfigure, you're ready. or DON'T upgrade. 12.04 has 5 years of support. your choice. [05:28] cfhowlett: actually i am not i hurry for an upgrade but i think xubuntu system's support stops next April. Only the core of 12.04 is supported for 5 years. isnt it? [05:28] !12.04 [05:28] Xubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the current !LTS release of Xubuntu. Download at http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu Release notes at http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ [05:30] cfhowlett: i have right: Xubuntu 12.04 is a Long Term Support release (LTS) and will be supported for three years per the Xubuntu LTS plan. [05:30] akis, yep. [05:30] akis, so you have that long to decide on your course of action. [05:32] cfhowlett: sure! any suggestions on backup beyond these: http://askubuntu.com/questions/9135/best-way-to-backup-all-settings-list-of-installed-packages-tweaks-etc ? [05:35] akis, nope, that link should work for most upgraders. [05:36] cfhowlett: ok , thanks [05:36] akis, happy2help [05:39] cfhowlett: i am running 12.04 on 3 machines and i will decide to proceed with one of them with an upgrade over 12.04 to see with what i will be faced. if everything is ok i will do the same on others too. if not i will try i clean installation for all of them. isnt a good choice? [05:43] akis, test machine? YES! [05:46] cfhowlett: not exactly test machine but a tertiary one! [05:46] akis, still a good idea. go wild! [05:47] * cfhowlett wishes he had extra machines to play on. [05:48] cfhowlett: old machines...!!! thank you for your time today. [05:49] akis, happy2help [06:01] !cookie | cfhowlett [06:01] cfhowlett: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [06:14] snarkyness intended ;P [08:58] S.O.S. ;) [08:58] how can I tell xubuntu to play dvds correctly. I did sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 && sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh << no response. I installed restricted extras << no response eather. what am I doing wrong? [09:06] silverlion: hey [09:06] file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/media-apps.html#media-movie-dvd-video [09:06] The instructions here are slightly different than the one you described. [09:07] gabkdlly, I'll give it a try [09:07] I found out that my dvd drive had no region set [09:07] so I tried this one first [09:09] There is also this: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html [09:11] gabkdlly, yeah libdvdcss is already installed via libdvdread4 [09:12] The help file says that you also want to install libdvdnav4 and gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, but I just use mplayer [09:14] kk [09:14] hang on I'll try [09:15] ok, is installed [09:15] not at least the dvd is recognized [09:15] thats an effort ;) [09:15] but no the quality is really bad :( I'll need to improve that === AntiSpamMeta_ is now known as AntiSpamMeta === sdollins- is now known as sdollins === sdollins is now known as Guest50910 === TheMaster is now known as Unit193 === knome_ is now known as knome === zoktar_ is now known as zoktar === therealnanotube is now known as nanotube === gonyere__ is now known as gonyere_ === knome_ is now known as knome === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [11:23] read the links yet Gatis ? [11:23] āaasvasdasdasdaasdasdasāas [11:23] I got it working [11:24] dont do that Gatis [11:25] But you didnt help me [11:25] Gatis, thats no reason [11:25] For anyone who have probles with keyboard layout with Ibus: Go to Ibus Preferences > Input Method and select show all input layouts - add your layout. Next go to Advanced TAB and UNSELECT Keyboard Layout: Use system keyboard layout. Thanks! [12:33] Hi [12:33] Where XFCE reads default keyboard layout? [12:33] Where is that file [12:35] Gatis: I guess it's /etc/default/keyboard [12:36] hmm but it's not [12:38] so settings manager > keyboard [12:38] picks something else? [12:40] ibus tends to mess up things in some cases [12:41] but it's not installed by default anymore starting with xubuntu 14.04 === Pici` is now known as Pici [12:55] brainwash, i installed XFCE meta package [12:55] I have everything fine on Unity and gnome. Does Ibus packages comes with XFCE? [13:02] Gatis: it shouldn't [13:03] So why XFCE doesn't use default keyboard layout? [13:03] the thing is, if ibus is already present on your system, then it will be running in your xfce session [13:03] I have latvian keyboard layout but it uses US layout [13:04] brainwash, ok my question so why i have problem like this? [13:04] if we knew that... [13:04] is the ibus daemon running in the background? [13:05] see bug 1284635 [13:05] bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "IBus does not support certain keyboard layouts" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284635 [13:06] brainwash, how can i check it? [13:06] I believ it's running if i see icon in panel [13:06] ps aux | grep ibus [13:07] yes it is [13:08] you can remove the ibus package, but this might affect your other desktop environments like gnome or unity [13:08] brainwash, i can add latvian language as keyboard layout but Ibus doesn't read latvian keyboard as system default [13:09] if you want to just disable it for your current Xfce session, simply run "ibus exit" [13:09] Why ibus working with gnome and unity? [13:10] because they both use gnome's settings daemon [13:11] which has special support for ibus [13:11] aha [13:11] Xfce's settings daemon does not [13:12] this is the reason, why ibus is not installed by default anymore in xubuntu 14.04 [13:12] (xubuntu-desktop) === HedgeMage_ is now known as Hedgework [13:12] brainwash, aah good reason [13:12] Thank you [13:12] you're welcome :) [13:15] brainwash, what you use in xubuntu now? [13:15] xkb plugin? [13:15] Oh [13:15] I quit Ibus and everything works [13:16] nothing by default, the xkb panel plugin can be added to the panel if needed [13:16] or you install ibus and try to configure it [13:16] Ibus is the reason why keyboard layout doesn't work [13:17] for some people with special layouts [13:18] special = not widely used [13:18] I don't know what didn't work.. I have latvian keyboard layout in system default.. Ibus was like overriding defaults to en_US [13:18] exactly, ibus does not support the latvian keyboard layout [13:18] and just falls back to en_US [13:19] brainwash, Ah alright [13:20] brainwash, i am missing network icon [13:20] I have network-manager-gnome packag [13:21] uhm [13:21] is the indicator panel plugin missing? [13:22] Well i have it but i haven't added it [13:22] you should :) [13:23] Hmm i would like to skip it [13:24] it shows unity indicators [13:25] indeed [13:26] the nm-applet (network icon) should actually fall back to the normal notification area then [13:26] classic tray icon [13:27] take a look at bug 1302462 [13:27] bug 1302462 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "network icon disappeared in xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302462 [13:38] brainwash, when i run nm-applet i doesn't show up [13:39] Gatis: take a look at bug 1302462 [13:39] bug 1302462 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "network icon disappeared in xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302462 [13:39] Oh :/ [13:40] I'm not familiar with the problem, so you will have to read the comments in the report, maybe there is some workaround [13:41] ah [13:41] sudo nm-applet works [13:42] but that's somewhat bad [13:42] using sudo as workaround :) [13:42] why? [13:44] because then you are running nm-applet with root privileges [13:45] with isn't nice [13:45] which [13:45] a lot of bugs [13:45] I suggest that you follow the bug report [13:45] it's not got a lot of bugs [13:46] also check if any config folder in ~/ is owned by root [13:47] How to do that? [13:47] look at the permissions in your home directory [13:47] they should not be owned by anyone other than your username [13:47] however as you've already launched it using sudo - there is a possibility that it's just been updated [13:48] try "ls -Rla ~ | grep root" [13:49] i have some [13:50] can you pastebin the output? [13:50] http://pastebin.com/3XhQBw98 [13:51] so that looks really screwed up [13:52] :) [13:52] I just try many DE [13:52] and install some tools that's all [13:52] this has nothing to do with how many DE's you're tried [13:53] nah, most of the stuff is not relevant [13:53] I think it is [13:53] but /home/gatis/.cache/dconf is owned by root [13:53] not directory [13:53] but the fact that there are some many files owned by root suggests his incorrectly doing things [13:53] and I suspect there will be more of this sort of thing around the place [13:54] What exactly is wrong? [13:54] there should be no reason for all those svg's to be owned by root unless the application is being launched incorrectly [13:54] (as an example) [13:54] yeah, it's not nice either [13:55] what can i do wrong? I just installed some packages [13:55] I suspect this is also an ubuntu install which has had xubuntu-desktop installed on it [13:55] yes it had xubuntu-desktop [13:55] no surprise there then [13:55] so this is going to be a mess [13:55] I have installed and tried on it ubuntu-desktop unity, Gnome shell, LXDE, cairo-dock, OPenBox, XFCE [13:56] machine = mess [13:56] And what can go wrong? [13:56] I suggest you back up your data and clean install using the right distro for the desktop you like [13:56] Gatis, you'll recall : multiple suggestions to test distros in virtualbox NOT in your main machine [13:56] that makes no sense it's linux [13:56] i don't test distros [13:56] i just try DE [13:56] linux is just the kernel :) [13:57] ikonia, you are saying that paste is bad explain what is exactly bad there? [13:57] but desktop environments tend to mess up things when you install several on the same system [13:57] Gatis, virtualbox is the place to do that kind of testing safe from the risk of scrambling your system. but hey, do what works for you. [13:57] this works for me [13:58] But you never explained me what's wrong in pastebin i gave? [13:58] Nothing is messed up.. just network applet is not working [13:58] I did, /home/gatis/.cache/dconf is owned by root [13:58] But what does it mean? [13:59] it doesn't work for you [13:59] Is it bad, why is it bad? How it affect? [13:59] your machine isn't working properly [13:59] Gatis, it means the wrong parts are owned by the wrong users and so can't work properly. [13:59] cfhowlett, and why? i simply used sudo apt-get install [14:00] Gatis, clearly you did more than that. I suspect you did quite a few things as root ... unwise. a solution has been suggested; clean install. learn from your mistakes. [14:00] ikonia, All works fine. Except Ibus and Network applet.. But this is not working for many and is a bug [14:00] it doesn't work fine [14:00] cfhowlett, i did "sudo" [14:01] cfhowlett, first explain what is my mistake [14:01] the fact that your answer is " I did sudo" means you don't really understand what happening [14:01] i know sudo is root [14:01] It won't allow me to install aotherwise [14:02] that's really got nothing to do with it [14:02] This doesn't help me all. Explain me what is wrong [14:02] the permissions are wrong as you, and you've installed multiple desktops which does not really work well as it "can" cause conflicts in configuration [14:02] hence why I advise you to clean install with the (1) desktop you like [14:02] keep it simple as you are not an advanced user at this time [14:03] ikonia, brainwash just said Ibus is not used in Xubuntu because of problems i had. [14:03] I just disabled it [14:03] again, that has nothing to do with anything [14:03] Now my only problem is Network applet [14:03] ok, I'm not going to continue to explain this [14:04] You are not explaining me anything [14:04] ok [14:04] I never learned why it is wrong if something is root in home folder. :/ [14:04] it was explained earlier [14:04] Gatis, educating you on basic linux is beyond the scope of this channel. you presented a problem. a solution was proposed. for more comprehensive understanding , there is no shortage of FREE material for you to study. [14:05] Gatis, there is no known bug about network applet suddenly not working; that bug most probably appeared when you ran something as root (with sudo) you shouldn't have [14:05] knome, no i installed xfce and it wasn't there at first place [14:05] Gatis, i just explained you why network applet isn't most probably working [14:06] What could have i run before i login in xfce for first time? [14:06] you've installed multiple desktop [14:06] it could have been many things [14:06] you've also have non-system files owned by root in your home directory meaning you are running applications as root [14:06] and creating symlinks as root [14:07] suggesting you're not really grasped the permissions model [14:07] so how dconf affects network applet? [14:07] No problem i can reinstall dconf [14:07] where did that come from ? [14:07] your machine is a mess [14:07] who said anything about tha t? [14:07] clean install with a single stable build [14:08] (as in single desktop) [14:08] ikonia, please. that isn't constructive either [14:08] it actually is [14:08] he has 6 desktops installed [14:08] no [14:08] which will be fighting for control over certain configs [14:08] there are also manually created root files in in his home directory suggesting applicatoins are being run as root [14:08] this makes the machine a mess [14:08] it's not so bad [14:09] As i said. [14:09] so getting to a clean stable point seems reaonable constructive [14:09] Only network applet is my concern [14:09] resonable [14:09] Let's get network applet working [14:09] Don't go offtopic [14:09] Gatis, try installing a clean xubuntu installation and check if it works for you with that [14:10] Gatis, if it doesn't we can go on with resolving [14:10] i believe it will work [14:10] (or install the ubuntu install with the desktop you finally want to use) [14:10] But i wouldn't be here if i wanted to reinstall xubuntu [14:10] belief isn't necessarily a truth [14:10] eg; if you want to use unity, install ubuntu, if you want to use xfce use xubuntu [14:10] don't install one desktop then install 6 more [14:11] this is not my question [14:11] I regret i pastebin that thign [14:11] it was crticial you did [14:11] or you would not have given us important information [14:11] ikonia, you have fun dont you [14:11] so well done for pastebining it [14:12] not sure what that means [14:12] Now show me exactly which line makes you think Network Applet is not working? [14:12] your situation is what makes me thing your machine is a mess (the points I outlined earlier) [14:12] the paste just confirms that [14:13] it's not a mess [14:13] based on what you've said and shown the channel, I disagree, but that's up to you [14:14] But you didn't give me a clue why network applet doesn't work [14:14] you didn't appear to understand [14:14] it's totally up to you though [14:14] which is why you should install a stable/clean system [14:18] Gatis: well, delete /home/gatis/.cache/dconf [14:19] you can delete anything in .cache, because it's just a cache folder after all, so it should be safe to do so [14:20] ok done [14:20] try to run nm-applet again or relog [14:21] doesn't work [14:21] just curious, how did you actually delete ~/.cache/dconf? [14:21] rm -r .cache [14:22] but it's owned by root [14:22] is it really gone? [14:22] yes with sudo [14:22] I see [14:22] gatis@HP-Compaq-6715s-GR618ES-AK8:~$ cd .cache [14:22] bash: cd: .cache: No such file or directory [14:22] gatis@HP-Compaq-6715s-GR618ES-AK8:~$ ls [14:23] you should at least recreate this folder [14:23] touch .cache [14:23] i have problems killing it [14:23] gatis@HP-Compaq-6715s-GR618ES-AK8:~$ kill 3481 [14:23] nm-applet-Message: PID 2459 (we are 3481) sent signal 15, shutting down... [14:23] gatis@HP-Compaq-6715s-GR618ES-AK8:~$ [14:23] (nm-applet:3481): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 120 was not found when attempting to remove it [14:25] is the process still running though? [14:26] yeah then i pressed Ctrl-C [14:26] next you should create a new user account and see if the network icon is missing too [14:27] brainwash, or guest account??? [14:27] ok [14:27] guest account. brb [14:27] new user or guest [14:28] cfhowlett: sadly, the missing network icon seems to affect a wide range of users in 14.04 [14:28] brainwash, I must be fortunate. My ubuntustudio (xubuntu is the base) worked perfectly out of the box. [14:29] it should for most people, maybe some just like to mess with sudo or have bad luck [14:30] ok im in guest === Gatis is now known as Guest53454 [14:31] Guest53454: tell us, is the icon missing? :) === Guest53454 is now known as Gatis [14:32] yes it is [14:32] I have only keyboard icon [14:32] Time and logout session [14:33] ah and i don't have latvian keyboard layout [14:33] I open folders via ssh in Thunar to browse for file on remote machine. But when connection is lost - I cannot click-unmount that share in thunar. What can I do? [14:33] * m3n3chm0 hello !! [14:33] Gatis: try "dbus-launch nm-applet" [14:34] !msg ubottu /topic [14:34] cfhowlett: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:34] brainwash, that worked [14:34] brainwash, explain me what dbus-launch mean? [14:35] or - how do I restart thunar? [14:36] derek-g: I'd be concerned at why it's losing connection [14:36] brainwash, does Guest account have different system default keyboard layout? [14:36] ikonia, server had to be restarted [14:36] derek-g: you can't unmount it when the connection is dropped because it's already gone, think of it as a stale handle (nfs) [14:36] ikonia, so why is it still mounted after server is gone? [14:36] ikonia, or at least it appears mounted in thunar... [14:36] derek-g: you're using fuse with ssh aren't you ? [14:37] Gatis: dbus-launch is used to create user instance of the dbus daemon [14:37] ikonia, I think so. I just open paths like this one in thunar: "sftp://username@hostname/" [14:37] derek-g: so that's not stateull [14:37] derek-g: you should unmount it when you are not using it [14:37] Gatis: the Xfce session script usually does this [14:38] derek-g: if you remove the remote server before unmountin it, it will not know it's gone [14:38] ikonia, but if someone else goes and restarts the server - and my mount become stale - what do I do? [14:38] derek-g: kill your fuse session, [14:38] derek-g: but that really shouldn't be happening as "the norm" [14:39] brainwash, and again i have lost latvian keyboard layout on Guest account.. do you know why? [14:39] Gatis: so, you can use it as workaround [14:39] brainwash, so something with xfce session [14:39] ikonia, um - so how would I restart fuse session? [14:39] Gatis: well, did you remove the ibus package? if no, ibus will start automatically every time you log into a session [14:39] just kill it from the process list [14:40] brainwash, yes i still have [14:40] Ill log back to main [14:40] ikonia, "ps aux | grep gvfs" gives my bunh of processes [14:40] s/bunh/bunch [14:40] is there not one thats clearly the connection ? [14:41] (check for fuse directly also) [14:43] ikonia, this is what I see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8179251/ [14:44] strange, i can't login to xfce session no more :/ [14:44] derek-g: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8179251/ [14:44] derek-g: oops [14:44] derek-g: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-sftp --spawner :1.3 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/37 [14:45] I logged in and all i see is background :) [14:45] Im trough tty now :P [14:49] ikonia, yep. killing those one by one did it. but im still not sure i that's optimal solution. [14:49] ikonia, thanks! [14:51] it's not the optimal solution [14:51] the solution is to not reboot connections [14:52] ikonia, i agree. that's not under my control though :) [14:52] perhaps unmount things when you are finished ? [14:52] there is (I think) fuse tool set, that maybe worth checking [15:02] Hi, can anybody help me with installing Xubuntu ? === Dan_ is now known as Guest27648 [15:03] please ? [15:04] Guest27648, ask your specific question and if somebody knows the answer, they are likely to reply. [15:08] Okay. I installed Xubuntu on my new Lenovo G505s notebook. I restarted it after install. In grub i selected "Ubuntu" (xubuntu), and wait. There was black screen so long. I tried restart it and select Recovery mode. So, it shows Loading Linux 3.13. ........ and Loading initial ramdisk and nothing more. [15:11] In bios i have Boot mode Legacy Support and Boot priority Legacy first, but still nothing :( [15:12] nobody ? :( [15:17] Guest27648: I'm at work but will chime in if I have time later...hang around a while. :) [15:19] hedgework: when you will have time ? [15:20] Guest27648: don't know, busy day...I'll try though, probably after lunch. [15:22] okay, okay [15:27] Guest27648: whats the issue? can you get the live iso to boot a live destkop? === Guest50910 is now known as sdollins [15:29] yes, live is not problem. only the installed system is not running [15:29] Guest27648: keep in mind, there is nothing xubuntu is doing to prevent xubuntu from installing on your lenovo.. but, there are many things new vendors [15:29] Guest27648: when installing, do you get any errors? [15:30] Guest27648: i would simply use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair to try and reinstall grub after the installation [15:31] Guest27648: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair ? [15:32] hey i google now interesting think. my notebook have dual graphics, one integrated and one external. anybody on the forum ask the same think. they said that different system works fine, but Ubuntu not. so i try install Debian and it will shows. [15:33] Guest27648: *if* you are able to run the live CD without issue, then the installed system should work.. and you are stating that the drive is not booting the os, as in, a boot loader issue.. is that the issue? [15:33] hey i will try that Boot repairer [15:33] Guest27648: can i suggest a channel in your native language? [15:33] so i will write after i try it [16:05] holstein: it looks like it works :))) [16:27] holstein: its working !!! thank you very much, love you ! :3 [16:27] we have four computers at home all running xubuntu 14.04 how we can share file over the lan (suggest the easy way) [16:27] Guest27648: lol.. enjoy [16:29] ratnakumari: i usually just use ssh [16:29] !ssh [16:29]