[01:09] <swift110> Hey
[01:52] <swift110> Hey
[02:54] <Ahmuck> hi.  what is the default keyboard input method for lubuntu?
[02:55] <Ahmuck> Sorry i do not accept the terms at https//wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService by default for using this channel.
[03:26] <teward> Ahmuck, if you do not accept the terms then you should leave the channel (by using the channel you automatically accept the Terms Of Service)
[03:26] <Ahmuck> not legally so
[03:27] <Ahmuck> to be legally binding you would need some sort of written or typed consent
[03:27] <Ahmuck> based on current privacy laws
[03:31] <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.com/YNTCnhqy
[03:32] <Ahmuck> so, it appears there are two input methods for lubuntu.  my backspace key is not operating in gnucash and i'm wondering if it is because of the two input methods
[03:33] <swift110> Hey all
[03:36] <Ahmuck> is there a spanish lubuntu channel?
[03:37] <swift110> Hmm
[03:41] <Unit193> Ahmuck: There is a Spanish channel, but it has the same terms.  If you do not accept those terms, you must /part the channel.
[03:57] <Ahmuck> what is the name of the spanish channel
[04:01] <Unit193> !es
[04:03] <Ahmuck> doing a search for xim input method using aptitude does not show it installed.
[04:18] <Unit193> Should have lxinput and xinput installed.
[04:19] <Ahmuck> the error indicates that only one input method should be installed but also indicates that two are.  ibus and xim
[04:20] <Ahmuck> i assume i should be able to remove *xin*
[04:25] <holstein> Ahmuck: dont assume.. just try removing, and see what depends on it
[04:27] <Ahmuck> ya, the problem with that is things tend to break
[04:27] <holstein> Ahmuck: *if* something breaks, put it back
[04:27] <Ahmuck> as i recall i noted a problem with networking in 14.04 and was told it wasn't a problem and then it showed up as fixed in the bug tracker.  i was right the first time
[04:28] <Ahmuck> while ubuntu plebs told me i was the one with the problem
[04:28] <holstein> Ahmuck: i would just leave it in place, if you are concerned.. why are you trying to remove it? hard drive space? look at see what size it is
[04:28] <Ahmuck> which, btw, there is still a problem with dup icons in the system tray, battery, network, etc.
[04:28] <holstein> Ahmuck: what is an "ubuntu pleb" ?
[04:28] <holstein> Ahmuck: i dont have duplicate icons..
[04:28] <Ahmuck> i'd like to understand the process of the system tray and how those icons are added
[04:29] <Ahmuck> well, seeing as you were the one telling me it wasn't broke when it clearly was as indicated by the bug reports, i would assume you are an ubuntu pleb
[04:29] <holstein> Ahmuck: one thing that can be happening for you is, you have had an issue, and tried to add or autostart applications or services to "fix" things
[04:29] <holstein> Ahmuck: ?
[04:30] <Ahmuck> it's got to be in the log of this channel i am sure
[04:30] <holstein> Ahmuck: what is an "ubuntu pleb" ? i didnt say nothings is broken.. im saying, nothing is broken here for me.. and i would be glad to volunteer some time explaing what i think could be happenging to your system
[04:30] <holstein> Ahmuck: friend, im asking you now.. what you mean by "ubuntu pleb". i am unfamiliar with that term
[04:31] <Ahmuck> "nothing is broken", not "nothings is broken".
[04:31] <Ahmuck> i'm not going to pursue it
[04:32] <holstein> Ahmuck: i would like to explain to you plusible scenarios where, for only your hardware case, things can be broken
[04:32] <holstein> Ahmuck: i literallly *cant* persue it.. i dont know what "it" is yet, and i dont have your hardware, and the behavior is not the same on my machines
[04:32] <holstein> Ahmuck: i would need you to read..
[04:32] <holstein> !bug
[04:32] <holstein> and, i would need to konw the steps by which you get to what you got to. and try and replicate it
[04:33] <holstein> Ahmuck: have you been able to get anyone else to replicate it? do you have other hardware to try and replicate it on?
[04:42] <holstein> Ahmuck: otherwise, i consider "pleb" basically name-calling, and i suggest you consider the voluntary nature of *all* the persons in this channel when trying to recieve assistance.. i understand you are frustrated, but, let us try and maintain a constructive attitude
[07:55] <primo_> Hi. I got one big problem, Im new in linux, got installed Lubuntu on 3.0 ghz 2gb ram and ati radeon 9200 video card, but I think sistem is lazy like snail
[07:57] <primo_> i try install drivers from ati site, but I dont know how, I try with catalyst and fglrx and same result all over
[07:59] <primo_> I find few answers "radeon 9200 is not supported in catalyst and flgrx and must install open drivers, but here Im stuck
[08:02] <primo_> I find solution on upstream git
[08:02] <primo_> but I dont have any idea how to install something from there ?
[08:04] <primo_> is anyone here who know how I can make that radeon 9200 usable ?  Thank you
[08:09] <primo_> loto
[08:11] <primo_> lol sorry I put google search here
[09:27] <bong1> hi i have messed around with lxpanel settings like adding the application launch bar and i have removed it, and now what used to be icons on the right side on the panel are now in the middle,  how do i get them back to the right?
[09:34] <testdr> bong1: you have modified more than only the deleted item - you can right-click on a free panel-space and in the panel-config-window select the panel-addons and check the list, special the end of the list, because there might be still something taking the space - and feel free to look with google-search for more info about lxpanel-configuration
[09:42] <bong1> testdr: there is nothing at the end of the list. and also when i open  a program , theres two windows of it running now.
[10:07] <bong1> testdr: ok  i have looked at it long and hard and i have found that it  contains 2 instances of TASK BAR (WINDOW LIST ) running.  i removed the last one and now all is back to what it should be. thanks.
[10:09] <testdr> bong1: fine - so the list of addons in the lxpanel was not empty - and maybe as a hint, if you will try more desktop-config-changes it is better to create an additional user and do those tests with such a "dumb" user (that can be deleted completely)
[10:16] <bong1> ok.  i have another issue now..   in my messing around, i have also  deleted pcfm and the browser icons in the panel which came preinstalled,  how do i get them back?
[10:23] <testdr> bong1: first, dont forget to check some simple docs for lxde -- about icons for programstarts in the panel, same procedure: right-click on free panel-space and add a starter-entry and for this starter-entry you can add programstarters (like for pcfman, firefox, terminal..)
[10:25] <testdr> bong1: this is a double procedure. You need to add such a starter-addon to put the startprograms(incl.the icons that appear) -- and from your question about double-started-programms: a icon-starter in the lxpanel is started with only one (1) mouse-click and 2 mouse-clicks will start double
[10:25] <testdr> bong1: you may check: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXPanel
[10:34] <bong1> testdr: when i right click on the panel, there is nothing that says add a starter entry.
[10:35] <testdr> bong1: warning for this procedure! You can reset the lxpanel to the default, if you "cat" the default over your local config like this:  cat /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/panels/panel   .config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[10:35] <testdr> bong1: after this "reset" you have to logut and login - (instead of killing the panel)
[10:37] <testdr> bong1: sorry for my bad english - i dont know the exact name of this panel-addon (for program-starter-list) in the english version
[10:38] <testdr> bong1: and the "cat"-sample-command above is missing the   >  to overwrite your user-panel-config -- cat only display the content in the terminal
[10:41] <bong1> testdr:  is what youre saying the same as  1 down vote accepted
[10:41] <bong1> 	
[10:41] <bong1> Copy the default config
[10:41] <bong1> sudo cp /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/panels/panel ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels
[10:41] <bong1> Change owner:group to the local account from root.
[10:41] <bong1> sudo chown owner:group  ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[10:41] <bong1> now restart the panel
[10:41] <bong1> lxpanelctl restart
[10:43] <testdr> bong1: using chown needs your user-account and group-account, not this dummy-entry owner:group
[10:44] <testdr> bong1: thats why i suggested to do a "cat" (=copy the content over the content of your panel-config), because then the owner and group rights would not be changed and still be yours
[10:45] <testdr> bong1: in the other way - you may end with an readonly panel-config, that you as the user cannot change
[10:52] <testdr> bong1: after some search found this (and the last entry without sudo seems better): http://askubuntu.com/questions/64631/how-to-restore-the-default-lubuntu-panel
[10:53] <Unit193> Correct, dropping 'sudo' is a good choice.
[10:55] <bong1> just logout, not shutdown?
[10:56] <Unit193> logout and back in would do it.
[10:56] <testdr> bong1: yes - this is better than this lxpaneltctl restart thing, because this sometimes ended with 2 running panels
[10:57] <bong1> ok will try this.
[11:02] <bong1> beautiful. that did it. thanks testdr and unit193.
[11:07] <Unit193> Congrats.
[11:08] <bong1> there was once  a web page to change the date formats. where was that again?
[11:11] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/strftime
[11:11] <Unit193> Something like that?
[11:16] <bong1> yes i remember strftime but its kind of automatic. just select what we want and copy paste it to digital clock settings.
[22:13] <talsamon> hello - can't login after update to linux-headers-3.13.0.35 - login screen returns back to login screen - xsession-errors unable to open display ":0" No protocol specified
[22:13] <talsamon> no errors in Xorg.0.log
[22:16] <phillw> talsamon: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85782/error-no-protocol-specified-when-running-from-remote-machine-via-ssh
[22:16] <talsamon> phillw, no i am starting not from a remote machine, normal boot
[22:17] <talsamon> i have reinstalled xorg xserver lightdm nvidia - doesn't help
[22:18] <phillw> talsamon: you have done a sudo operation, which really breaks the system
[22:19] <talsamon> i make apt-get update apt-get upgrade - next boot i can't login
[22:19] <talsamon> linux-header-3.13.0.35-generic was half-installed
[22:19] <phillw> we can battle, or you can bite the bullet...
[22:20] <talsamon> f... complete reinstall ?
[22:20] <Unit193> !xhangs
[22:20] <talsamon> ubottu, I have also tried this...
[22:21] <Unit193> talsamon: Can you try the guest account?
[22:21] <talsamon> no
[22:21] <phillw> talsamon:  I'd suggest a seperate home 1st... makes re-install much easier as you keep all your stuff.
[22:21] <talsamon> just a moment i will try
[22:22] <phillw> Unit193: I'll leave talsamon in your tender mercies :)
[22:23] <talsamon> ok, bye :
[22:29] <phillw> talsamon: do not run away :) we're here to help.
[22:30] <talsamon> wait a minute a testing something
[22:33] <phillw> talsamon: be careful of saying such words... Borg mode now enforced....
[22:33] <talsamon> ??
[22:35] <phillw> talsamon:  you will  be absored into the collective....  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)
[22:36] <talsamon> don't believe i am indigestible (unsure my english is not very good)
[22:36] <menace> Hi, i have on lubuntu 14.04 (with updates) in kvm/libvirt/qxl/spice a lubuntu 14.04 guest-install and i sometimes get font errors in my display. but on launchpad i just find errors for $ubuntu 13.10?
[22:36] <Unit193> phillw: How about we leave that for the offtopic channels?
[22:36] <menace> any idea?
[22:38] <menace> that font error is really frustrating..
[22:38] <phillw> Unit193:  you tell me (23:13:27) talsamon: hello - can't login after update to linux-headers-3.13.0.35 - login screen returns back to login screen - xsession-errors unable to open display ":0" No protocol specified
[22:39] <Unit193> phillw: What?
[22:39] <Unit193> menace: What errors exactly??
[22:39] <phillw> I see it as a lubutu bug
[22:40] <menace> like that: http://imgur.com/r/linux/aG2dL6u
[22:40] <menace> it is a *ubuntu bug in my view
[22:40] <menace> but that is not my imgur
[22:40] <Unit193> Hah, oh dear.
[22:41] <menace> urgs.. my lady wants to go to bed..
[22:41] <menace> gn8
[22:41] <phillw> menace: I'm just a tester and Unit193 is a boss on IRC, so he can tell people to go away.
[22:42] <Unit193> ...
[22:42] <phillw> Unit193: well, that is one less person to report bugs... well done.
[22:43] <Unit193> talsamon: Were you able to test another account?
[22:43] <talsamon> Unit193, guestaccount also not works
[22:44] <talsamon> I have tried reinstall xorg, xserver, lightdm and nvidia-driver
[22:45] <talsamon> Unit193, after updated to linux-header-3.13.0.15 - i cant'login, linux-header-3.13.0.15 was half installed
[22:45] <Unit193> Mmmm, this sounds like a but I remember somewhere.  If you switch to a TTY, you should be able to fix that.  1. Is lightdm-gtk-greeter fully up to date?  2. What session have you selected?
[22:45] <talsamon> I purged it and reinstalled it without problems, but this all nothings help - I am back on the login-screen
[22:46] <talsamon> Unit193,  I had openbox
[22:46] <talsamon> have
[22:46] <Unit193> Top right there should be a session selection, is that what it says now?
[22:47] <phillw> talsamon: you can do a complete install of kernel... not too much fun, but do-able
[22:47] <talsamon> hmm
[22:48] <talsamon> If try this and something...I consider a complete new install, I think it's faster
[22:49] <phillw> talsamon: try http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35
[22:50] <phillw> it was written by the now defunct UBT team It is safe.
[22:51] <talsamon> Thank, I will try it
[22:57] <phillw> talsamon: if that does not work, please do ask.
[22:58] <talsamon> In moment I make a disc-check...
[23:02] <phillw> talsamon: waits
[23:23] <talsamon> bye for the moment, i will back later... ;-))