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| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 08:58 |
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| elfy | hi BluesKaj | 09:04 |
| BluesKaj | hey elfy | 09:04 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, kernel probs fixed yet? | 09:07 |
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| elfy | not this morning - and nouveau was like running up a hill backwards through molasses - so I'm currently in trusty :) | 09:07 |
| elfy | such is the way of things sometimes :) | 09:08 |
| BluesKaj | ok, I'm sticking with nouveau since it runs quite well here | 09:09 |
| BluesKaj | for a while anyway | 09:10 |
| elfy | could be a xubuntu/nouveau issue | 09:11 |
| elfy | I'm just going to have a day in something old :) | 09:11 |
| JEEB | hi, it seems like there could be some intel gpu driver issues with the first gen macbook and the 3.16 kernel. Anyone else have a 1st gen macbook on hand so he/she could check if similar results are obtained? | 11:10 |
| JEEB | I had similar issues with (I think) 3.15 and 3.16 vanilla kernels on trusty, and now that utopic has 3.16 as its kernel I'm getting similar issues after upgrading | 11:12 |
| JEEB | the issues mostly lead to either no picture on screen, or the initialization going wonky, or a kernel panic happening. I haven't had the kernel panic yet so I will not be posting a screenshot of one yet :) | 11:13 |
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| Sunstream | Is there a way I can test drive 14.1 without changing my O/S and screwing up my system | 13:11 |
| JEEB | it's not 1, it's 10 (separate numbers), but you can just get the daily image and run it as a live image. or you can use a virtual machine | 13:12 |
| BluesKaj | Sunstream, yes on live media just boot it and choose "Try Kubuntu" | 13:13 |
| Sunstream | Well I have to use lubuntu to have a smooth running O/S on this old celery chipped laptop | 13:15 |
| BluesKaj | or whatever flavour you like, excuse the typo ,,, too used to typing that | 13:16 |
| elfy | :p | 13:16 |
| JEEB | but yeah, anyone else here has an old first gen macbook? | 13:17 |
| JEEB | I'd like to know if I'm the only one having these issues with 3.16 with it's iGPU | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | widh there was a kubuntu+1 chat, now that ubuntu is going it's own way more so than before mir etc | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | wish | 13:18 |
| brainwash | JEEB: try 3.17 rc2 then | 13:18 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: you'll not be alone | 13:18 |
| elfy | probably an anythingbutubuntu+1 chat :p | 13:19 |
| JEEB | brainwash, the problem is that utopic will be released with 16, no? | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, think it's time we applied to set up a separate kubuntu+1 room | 13:19 |
| JEEB | and I'd really like to make sure this is not something specific to me | 13:20 |
| JEEB | I would be surprised if it was, but I'd like to see someone else test this, too | 13:20 |
| brainwash | JEEB: I guess so, but you need to verify if this problem is still happening with with 3.17 | 13:20 |
| JEEB | basically 2 times out of 3 I won't get to the login screen | 13:20 |
| JEEB | either because of just nothing showing up or a kernel panic. I haven't gotten the panic yet, but when I do I can photo it I guess | 13:21 |
| JEEB | brainwash, I would guess yes, but I guess I'll try later | 13:21 |
| brainwash | also, please file a bug report on launchpad | 13:21 |
| JEEB | I think the issue when I was on trusty happened with vanilla 3.15 and 3.16 at least | 13:21 |
| JEEB | from kernel.ubuntu.org repos | 13:21 |
| JEEB | and now utopic's standard kernel seems to do the same | 13:22 |
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| brainwash | JEEB: well, did you already check /var/log/syslog? | 13:24 |
| brainwash | the kernel panic might be logged there | 13:25 |
| JEEB | I'll check the next time a kernel panic happens, I had gone back to the normal trusty kernel after I got tired of booting the laptop three to four+ times to get it started :D | 13:26 |
| JEEB | so I most probably don't have that log any more | 13:26 |
| JEEB | now that I'm on utopic I will of course come up with it at some point | 13:26 |
| brainwash | mmh, why do you run utopic in the first place? | 13:26 |
| JEEB | I usually upgrade to +1 release around one to two months before the official release | 13:27 |
| JEEB | (or clean install) | 13:27 |
| brainwash | so you should be familiar with the bug reporting process :) | 13:27 |
| JEEB | I think I have reported an issue at some point, but I was just trying to probe if anyone here had an old first-gen macbook so that I could make sure it's not some fluke for me only :D | 13:28 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: maybe so - not going to be somewhere I would go though :) | 13:28 |
| [4-tea-2] | I'm a little confused… What's the relationship between systemd and nfs on utopic? Has systemd swallowed all the stuff from nfs-common (e.g. rpc.statsd)? | 13:29 |
| JEEB | but yes, I do have a launchpad account | 13:29 |
| brainwash | JEEB: sure, I guess it's worth a try and ask if anyone here can confirm a bug | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | elfy, not a kde user? | 13:31 |
| elfy | nope - xubuntu ;) | 13:31 |
| brainwash | [4-tea-2]: systemd is not used by default | 13:31 |
| [4-tea-2] | brainwash: that wasn't really my question. I'm using systemd on utopic. Yes, systemd-sysv. | 13:31 |
| [4-tea-2] | …and I got my nfs mounts w/o nfs-common, that's why I'm asking. | 13:32 |
| brainwash | not sure if anyone here can help you with systemd | 13:32 |
| _3vi1_ | Anyone know if there's a specific bug filed for the black-screen-at login bug a lot of us have been seeing since around the same time the 3.16.0-11 kernel packages landed? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2241869) I'm puzzled as to the real cause, because there are no Xorg.0.log errors and booting to old kernel does not fix it. | 13:33 |
| [4-tea-2] | brainwash: That's okay, I don't need help, nothing is broken; just looking for understanding. I'll dive into the docs then. | 13:33 |
| elfy | _3vi1_: not seen a specific new bug reported yesterday | 13:33 |
| _3vi1_ | elfy: Me neither, and I've been up and down launchpad. | 13:33 |
| elfy | [4-tea-2]: all I can find re systemd and nfs is a bit on the wiki | 13:34 |
| [4-tea-2] | elfy: yeah, it's not really… comprehensive. :) | 13:34 |
| elfy | indeed ;) | 13:35 |
| [4-tea-2] | And I'm not sure it's really up to date, either. | 13:35 |
| elfy | [4-tea-2]: no idea - you can't tell from last edit date either | 13:35 |
| [4-tea-2] | elfy: " To get the timing correct we need to tell systemd explicitly that the mount depends on networking and on rpc.statd." - the current setup doesn't seem to need rpc.statd, and installing nfs-common actually fails. But, as I said, everything is working anyway, which is kinda confusing. | 13:36 |
| [4-tea-2] | I wasn't aware that systemd did THAT. | 13:37 |
| elfy | that must have been added in 2012 - diff's since then don't mention anything about that section :) | 13:37 |
| elfy | [4-tea-2]: not really had much to do with systemd - boot it sometimes is all - and I've not used nfs for some time either | 13:38 |
| elfy | _3vi1_: if you report it I'll me too it - can post it in thread as well if necessary | 13:39 |
| [4-tea-2] | elfy: I suspect in the mean time systemd has swallowed the non-kernel parts of nfs, too. I'm just trying to get used to it, because I expect to be running it on loads of machines at work in the foreseeable future and I want to be prepared. :) | 13:39 |
| elfy | :) | 13:40 |
| elfy | pitti would probably be the person to start with - he's the one who wanted it testing :) | 13:40 |
| _3vi1_ | elfy: I'm thinking about it - I'm just wishing that someone with more details and a less exotic configuration had reported it. I'm running bumblebee, but a lot of users experiencing the error are not. | 13:41 |
| elfy | aaah | 13:41 |
| [4-tea-2] | elfy: thanks a lot, I'll keep an eye open for him. | 13:41 |
| elfy | _3vi1_: I get xorg errors if I try and use it - Fatal no x server type ones :) | 13:42 |
| _3vi1_ | elfy: I wish I had an Xorg error at this point - that would make for a good bug report. :) I just get the black screen, and Xorg has no complaints except for missing dri3 - which I think is normal with utopics current Xorg version. | 13:43 |
| elfy | I'll see if I can get one reported from my other utopic - biab | 13:46 |
| elfy | _3vi1_: mmm - so that's odd - installed nvidia - boots to desktop but uses nouveau | 14:00 |
| _3vi1_ | elfy: Weird. I'm going to test something too - biab | 14:02 |
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| _3vi1_ | ALRIGHT! Got my black-screen-at-boot issue fixed (knock-on-wood) | 14:15 |
| elfy | _3vi1_: well I've given up playing with that for the day lol | 14:23 |
| _3vi1_ | elfy: I got it fixed here! | 14:23 |
| _3vi1_ | Something seems to have changed with the way the drivers are loaded... | 14:23 |
| _3vi1_ | In my case, I just had to blacklist nvidia-343... | 14:23 |
| elfy | oh | 14:24 |
| _3vi1_ | I don't know if it was previously unloading via bbswitch properly (and now it doesn't), but... that seems to have worked around it for me. | 14:25 |
| _3vi1_ | Maybe you need to blacklist nouveau if you're trying to use nvidia, in your case. | 14:25 |
| elfy | possibly - though I'll just for the moment wait for a day or two see what comes out of the pipeline, one way or the other they'll need to fix it | 14:27 |
| elfy | thanks for the thoughts _3vi1_ | 14:27 |
| _3vi1_ | Coolio. Thanks for puzzling on this with me too, elfy. | 14:28 |
| _3vi1_ | I'll post my results in that thread and maybe it will help a dev with the real issue. | 14:28 |
| elfy | okey doke | 14:28 |
| elfy | aaah - I recognise the name now :p | 14:30 |
| _3vi1_ | :p | 14:30 |
| _3vi1_ | I'm going to run and look at my kern.log now... My immediate suspicion is that bumblebeed is loading before the nvidia driver - causing the issue in my case. | 14:31 |
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| popey | anyone else getting broken desktop on nvidia? | 14:54 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188295/ | 14:55 |
| popey | [ 12.756] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) | 14:55 |
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| BluesKaj | yup, no desktop at all with nvidia, reverted to nouveau until the bug is fixed, but nouveau seems to work ok here , but I'm using KDE not unity | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | popey, ^ | 14:57 |
| popey | gah | 14:58 |
| popey | BluesKaj: do you know if there's a bug for it? | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | popey, dunno, I haven't checked launchpad | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | bbl | 15:01 |
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| JEEBsv | hmm, anyone else seen this with a Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM? http://up-cat.net/p/e65dba77 | 22:38 |
| penguin42 | I've seen hangs on Intel cards in the past, lots of different things can trigger it when some part of the stack breaks | 22:42 |
| chrs- | i need to troubleshoot my wifi adapter | 22:44 |
| chrs- | connection quality is very poor in 14.10 | 22:44 |
| chrs- | other devices connected don't seem to have much of a problem | 22:44 |
| JEEBsv | I'll have to see if this kernel decides to panic at some point as the vanilla 3.16 kernel did on trusty, and at that point I might even make a bug report of sorts | 22:47 |
| JEEBsv | (it seems like an old 1st gen macbook is having trouble with 3.15+ or so) | 22:47 |
| JEEBsv | some of the time I get a black screen and never get to login, other times I get some mess on boot but actually get there, and then in other cases it just kernel panics and I never get to the login screen | 22:49 |
| chrs- | sometimes when i boot on my pc laptop i see garbage on the screen temporarily | 22:50 |
| ybon | Hi there :) Anyone able to give a hand on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1363408 ? | 22:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1363408 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "nvidia proprietary drivers are broken" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 22:50 |
| chrs- | as if the video memory has random data in it or something | 22:50 |
| chrs- | display buffer or whatever. but it does go away. not sure if it's wroth filing something for it | 22:51 |
| penguin42 | chrs-: Temporary crud on the screen isn't unusual as graphics drivers/systems take over | 23:02 |
| brainwash | chrs-: filing a bug report could help to get the problem fixed, just make sure that you provide all the needed information (details about hardware,..) | 23:10 |
| chrs- | yeah it seems like one of those things people just put up with or ignore | 23:18 |
| chrs- | it's not a huge deal, but i have no idea how hard it is to fix, could be simple for all in kow | 23:18 |
| chrs- | know* | 23:18 |
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