=== Kamilion|ZNC is now known as Kamilion [08:58] 'Morning all [09:04] hi BluesKaj [09:04] hey elfy [09:07] elfy, kernel probs fixed yet? === mswart_ is now known as mswart [09:07] not this morning - and nouveau was like running up a hill backwards through molasses - so I'm currently in trusty :) [09:08] such is the way of things sometimes :) [09:09] ok, I'm sticking with nouveau since it runs quite well here [09:10] for a while anyway [09:11] could be a xubuntu/nouveau issue [09:11] I'm just going to have a day in something old :) [11:10] hi, it seems like there could be some intel gpu driver issues with the first gen macbook and the 3.16 kernel. Anyone else have a 1st gen macbook on hand so he/she could check if similar results are obtained? [11:12] I had similar issues with (I think) 3.15 and 3.16 vanilla kernels on trusty, and now that utopic has 3.16 as its kernel I'm getting similar issues after upgrading [11:13] the issues mostly lead to either no picture on screen, or the initialization going wonky, or a kernel panic happening. I haven't had the kernel panic yet so I will not be posting a screenshot of one yet :) === JEEBsv_ is now known as JEEBsv === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi === ochosi__ is now known as ochosi === mibofra_ is now known as mibofra === jseutter_ is now known as jseutter === Kamilion|ZNC is now known as Kamilion [13:11] Is there a way I can test drive 14.1 without changing my O/S and screwing up my system [13:12] it's not 1, it's 10 (separate numbers), but you can just get the daily image and run it as a live image. or you can use a virtual machine [13:13] Sunstream, yes on live media just boot it and choose "Try Kubuntu" [13:15] Well I have to use lubuntu to have a smooth running O/S on this old celery chipped laptop [13:16] or whatever flavour you like, excuse the typo ,,, too used to typing that [13:16] :p [13:17] but yeah, anyone else here has an old first gen macbook? [13:17] I'd like to know if I'm the only one having these issues with 3.16 with it's iGPU [13:18] widh there was a kubuntu+1 chat, now that ubuntu is going it's own way more so than before mir etc [13:18] wish [13:18] JEEB: try 3.17 rc2 then [13:18] BluesKaj: you'll not be alone [13:19] probably an anythingbutubuntu+1 chat :p [13:19] brainwash, the problem is that utopic will be released with 16, no? [13:19] elfy, think it's time we applied to set up a separate kubuntu+1 room [13:20] and I'd really like to make sure this is not something specific to me [13:20] I would be surprised if it was, but I'd like to see someone else test this, too [13:20] JEEB: I guess so, but you need to verify if this problem is still happening with with 3.17 [13:20] basically 2 times out of 3 I won't get to the login screen [13:21] either because of just nothing showing up or a kernel panic. I haven't gotten the panic yet, but when I do I can photo it I guess [13:21] brainwash, I would guess yes, but I guess I'll try later [13:21] also, please file a bug report on launchpad [13:21] I think the issue when I was on trusty happened with vanilla 3.15 and 3.16 at least [13:21] from kernel.ubuntu.org repos [13:22] and now utopic's standard kernel seems to do the same === evil is now known as _3vi1_ [13:24] JEEB: well, did you already check /var/log/syslog? [13:25] the kernel panic might be logged there [13:26] I'll check the next time a kernel panic happens, I had gone back to the normal trusty kernel after I got tired of booting the laptop three to four+ times to get it started :D [13:26] so I most probably don't have that log any more [13:26] now that I'm on utopic I will of course come up with it at some point [13:26] mmh, why do you run utopic in the first place? [13:27] I usually upgrade to +1 release around one to two months before the official release [13:27] (or clean install) [13:27] so you should be familiar with the bug reporting process :) [13:28] I think I have reported an issue at some point, but I was just trying to probe if anyone here had an old first-gen macbook so that I could make sure it's not some fluke for me only :D [13:28] BluesKaj: maybe so - not going to be somewhere I would go though :) [13:29] <[4-tea-2]> I'm a little confused… What's the relationship between systemd and nfs on utopic? Has systemd swallowed all the stuff from nfs-common (e.g. rpc.statsd)? [13:29] but yes, I do have a launchpad account [13:30] JEEB: sure, I guess it's worth a try and ask if anyone here can confirm a bug [13:31] elfy, not a kde user? [13:31] nope - xubuntu ;) [13:31] [4-tea-2]: systemd is not used by default [13:31] <[4-tea-2]> brainwash: that wasn't really my question. I'm using systemd on utopic. Yes, systemd-sysv. [13:32] <[4-tea-2]> …and I got my nfs mounts w/o nfs-common, that's why I'm asking. [13:32] not sure if anyone here can help you with systemd [13:33] <_3vi1_> Anyone know if there's a specific bug filed for the black-screen-at login bug a lot of us have been seeing since around the same time the 3.16.0-11 kernel packages landed? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2241869) I'm puzzled as to the real cause, because there are no Xorg.0.log errors and booting to old kernel does not fix it. [13:33] <[4-tea-2]> brainwash: That's okay, I don't need help, nothing is broken; just looking for understanding. I'll dive into the docs then. [13:33] _3vi1_: not seen a specific new bug reported yesterday [13:33] <_3vi1_> elfy: Me neither, and I've been up and down launchpad. [13:34] [4-tea-2]: all I can find re systemd and nfs is a bit on the wiki [13:34] <[4-tea-2]> elfy: yeah, it's not really… comprehensive. :) [13:35] indeed ;) [13:35] <[4-tea-2]> And I'm not sure it's really up to date, either. [13:35] [4-tea-2]: no idea - you can't tell from last edit date either [13:36] <[4-tea-2]> elfy: " To get the timing correct we need to tell systemd explicitly that the mount depends on networking and on rpc.statd." - the current setup doesn't seem to need rpc.statd, and installing nfs-common actually fails. But, as I said, everything is working anyway, which is kinda confusing. [13:37] <[4-tea-2]> I wasn't aware that systemd did THAT. [13:37] that must have been added in 2012 - diff's since then don't mention anything about that section :) [13:38] [4-tea-2]: not really had much to do with systemd - boot it sometimes is all - and I've not used nfs for some time either [13:39] _3vi1_: if you report it I'll me too it - can post it in thread as well if necessary [13:39] <[4-tea-2]> elfy: I suspect in the mean time systemd has swallowed the non-kernel parts of nfs, too. I'm just trying to get used to it, because I expect to be running it on loads of machines at work in the foreseeable future and I want to be prepared. :) [13:40] :) [13:40] pitti would probably be the person to start with - he's the one who wanted it testing :) [13:41] <_3vi1_> elfy: I'm thinking about it - I'm just wishing that someone with more details and a less exotic configuration had reported it. I'm running bumblebee, but a lot of users experiencing the error are not. [13:41] aaah [13:41] <[4-tea-2]> elfy: thanks a lot, I'll keep an eye open for him. [13:42] _3vi1_: I get xorg errors if I try and use it - Fatal no x server type ones :) [13:43] <_3vi1_> elfy: I wish I had an Xorg error at this point - that would make for a good bug report. :) I just get the black screen, and Xorg has no complaints except for missing dri3 - which I think is normal with utopics current Xorg version. [13:46] I'll see if I can get one reported from my other utopic - biab [14:00] _3vi1_: mmm - so that's odd - installed nvidia - boots to desktop but uses nouveau [14:02] <_3vi1_> elfy: Weird. I'm going to test something too - biab === Evil is now known as _3vi1_ [14:15] <_3vi1_> ALRIGHT! Got my black-screen-at-boot issue fixed (knock-on-wood) [14:23] _3vi1_: well I've given up playing with that for the day lol [14:23] <_3vi1_> elfy: I got it fixed here! [14:23] <_3vi1_> Something seems to have changed with the way the drivers are loaded... [14:23] <_3vi1_> In my case, I just had to blacklist nvidia-343... [14:24] oh [14:25] <_3vi1_> I don't know if it was previously unloading via bbswitch properly (and now it doesn't), but... that seems to have worked around it for me. [14:25] <_3vi1_> Maybe you need to blacklist nouveau if you're trying to use nvidia, in your case. [14:27] possibly - though I'll just for the moment wait for a day or two see what comes out of the pipeline, one way or the other they'll need to fix it [14:27] thanks for the thoughts _3vi1_ [14:28] <_3vi1_> Coolio. Thanks for puzzling on this with me too, elfy. [14:28] <_3vi1_> I'll post my results in that thread and maybe it will help a dev with the real issue. [14:28] okey doke [14:30] aaah - I recognise the name now :p [14:30] <_3vi1_> :p [14:31] <_3vi1_> I'm going to run and look at my kern.log now... My immediate suspicion is that bumblebeed is loading before the nvidia driver - causing the issue in my case. === zoktar_ is now known as zoktar === siel_ is now known as siel [14:54] anyone else getting broken desktop on nvidia? [14:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188295/ [14:55] [ 12.756] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) === aljosa_ is now known as aljosa === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel [14:56] yup, no desktop at all with nvidia, reverted to nouveau until the bug is fixed, but nouveau seems to work ok here , but I'm using KDE not unity [14:57] popey, ^ [14:58] gah [14:59] BluesKaj: do you know if there's a bug for it? [15:00] popey, dunno, I haven't checked launchpad [15:01] bbl === zoktar_ is now known as zoktar === Pici` is now known as Pici === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [22:38] hmm, anyone else seen this with a Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM? http://up-cat.net/p/e65dba77 [22:42] I've seen hangs on Intel cards in the past, lots of different things can trigger it when some part of the stack breaks [22:44] i need to troubleshoot my wifi adapter [22:44] connection quality is very poor in 14.10 [22:44] other devices connected don't seem to have much of a problem [22:47] I'll have to see if this kernel decides to panic at some point as the vanilla 3.16 kernel did on trusty, and at that point I might even make a bug report of sorts [22:47] (it seems like an old 1st gen macbook is having trouble with 3.15+ or so) [22:49] some of the time I get a black screen and never get to login, other times I get some mess on boot but actually get there, and then in other cases it just kernel panics and I never get to the login screen [22:50] sometimes when i boot on my pc laptop i see garbage on the screen temporarily [22:50] Hi there :) Anyone able to give a hand on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1363408 ? [22:50] Launchpad bug 1363408 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "nvidia proprietary drivers are broken" [Undecided,Incomplete] [22:50] as if the video memory has random data in it or something [22:51] display buffer or whatever. but it does go away. not sure if it's wroth filing something for it [23:02] chrs-: Temporary crud on the screen isn't unusual as graphics drivers/systems take over [23:10] chrs-: filing a bug report could help to get the problem fixed, just make sure that you provide all the needed information (details about hardware,..) [23:18] yeah it seems like one of those things people just put up with or ignore [23:18] it's not a huge deal, but i have no idea how hard it is to fix, could be simple for all in kow [23:18] know*