=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:35] morning boys and girls. === dutchie__ is now known as dutchie_ === LewisCawte is now known as Lcawte [13:39] brobostigon: do you plot the number of online users in this chan too? [13:40] be interested to see if there's been a downward trend in last couple of years [13:40] i do not, no. [13:40] sure there used to be around 130 on average [13:40] ok, [13:41] you could proably go back over irclogs.ubuntu.com and see how many people spoke [13:43] when freenode splits and rejoins it tends to annouce the no of people in the join [13:44] not logged unfortunately [13:44] meh [13:44] doesn't matter [13:45] i agree with you though [13:45] things are quieter [13:45] and summer is quiet still of course [13:47] * popey tickles bigcalm [13:47] irc is in decline generally i suppose [13:48] last I heard most irc networks were in decline, but freenode was bucking the trend [13:48] http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.001.jpg [13:48] 570616 [13:49] http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.002.jpg [13:49] shauno: ^^ [13:49] ah yes, that's the exact article :) [13:49] what do people use instead? [13:49] MSN ? ☻ [13:50] heh, I just pinged someone on MSN who I haven't spoken to for some years [13:51] I Think facebook's pretty much eaten everything at this point [13:51] yeah [13:51] that should go into reverse soon , [13:51] even people I used to talk to on google talk/chat/whatever, I talk to on fb now that google have broken federation [13:51] i was messaging some people recently and only 2 have seen the message [13:52] the other 3 haven't installed facebook messenger on their phone [13:52] my wife only uses fb messenger now [13:52] although she went to a party and someone introduced her to whatsapp [13:52] she came home and asked why I'd never shown it to her! [13:52] although my phone delivers fb messages still witohut the separate app [13:52] cos its expensive ... $0.99 per year! [13:52] I've started using telegram [13:53] telegram sucks for group messages [13:53] people pay for it? [13:53] whatapp charge you after 1 yr of use [13:53] news to me [13:53] at least telegram doesn't have th esilly artificial restrictions of twitter [13:55] or all phone types, WhatsApp is free to download and try for the first year. After, you have the option of extending your subscription for $0.99 USD per year. [14:08] Is it safe to remove the ubuntuone indicator from the top bar in 14.04? and if so what the best safest method? Synaptic lists ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-data as being installed [14:08] yes [14:08] remove both [14:09] And ubuntuone-control-panel? [14:09] ya [14:09] you dont need any of them [14:09] Ta [14:09] To be removed includes ubuntu-desktop is that just the meta-package [14:10] oof [14:10] i thought we already removed it from the seed [14:10] That comes from complete removal of ubuntuone-client-data [14:10] i guess not then [14:11] I think maybe I may leave it for a while & see if I can find a guide for that, certainly don't want to remove ubuntu-desktop [14:12] Ubuntuone-client wants to remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone and ubuntuone-control-panel [14:13] makes sense [14:14] ubuntuone-client-data wants to remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone, python-ubuntuone-client, python-ubuntuone-control-panel, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-sso-client-qt and ubuntuone-control-panel [14:17] Removing ubuntu-desktop seems somewhat bad looking at the "depends" for the package http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop [14:18] it wont remove those too [14:19] i thought we had this sorted with an update [14:19] http://askubuntu.com/questions/309122/removing-ubuntu-one [14:21] I'll give that 1st answer a go, 58 upvotes looks positive [14:24] Thanks popey, worked a charm [14:25] * DJones upvotes popey [14:28] * foobarry removes it too [14:29] signs in to upvote and notices u1 logos on the openid pages [14:30] 60 upvotes :P [14:39] U1 does still exist [14:39] it's only the file sharing bit that shut down [14:42] and notes :( [14:43] look out for the vulcan [14:43] on its way to bournemoth [14:44] just passed newbury [14:52] grrr, utopic desktop is not using the nvidia driver for some reason [14:53] nvidia driver installed and built. [14:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188295/ xorg.log [14:53] [ 12.756] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) === xnox_ is now known as xnox === andatche_ is now known as andatche [15:08] those uujkji~. [15:09] woops. lost internet [15:24] Slight problemo /uk http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188486/ [15:26] Buffy743687: did you succesfully change thepassword? [15:27] no [15:27] It said I had a token manipulation error. [15:27] maybe you changed the root password [15:27] To reset your password type this in [15:27] passwd [15:27] did you do that? [15:28] yes .. but I didn't change the password using sudo .. Is that what you mean ? [15:29] i wondered why the To reset your password type this in [15:29] woops [15:29] i wondered why the lost password link didn't work [15:30] on help.ubuntu [15:31] using init=/bin/bash at the end of grub line [15:31] then changing the password [15:43] foobarry: Still problemos .. you there .. I pinged out for 5 minutes, sorry. [15:50] are you following the directions exactly? [15:55] I believe so .. I tried several times .. including the appending the grub menu .. What is a token Manipulation error, then ? [15:59] try passwd -d first [15:59] to delete the password [16:00] foobarry: Oh maybe notit says cannot lock /etc/shadow .. I'm am sorry I am a new user. [16:02] foobarry: It Says= passwd: cannot lock /etc/shadow; try again later. [16:04] I only have four hours to sort this mess out . I'm in a bit of a fix . [16:05] Buffyy34257: What's the output of this command? ls /etc/*.lock [16:07] No such file or directory .. ls: cannot access /etc/*.lock [16:07] I may need to mount first .. but I am at my username .. alright. [16:08] back soon .. dinner just pinged. #nomnomnom [16:09] Buffyy34257: mount? Did you boot from a LiceCD or something? [16:09] *LiveCD [16:09] no .. standard install . [16:09] 14.04 desktop +Unity [16:11] here's wat I did : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188486/ Althou I may have just altered the 'root' password thou ? #notAquestion .. but you get my meaning. [16:13] Unless you did something unusual, then the user called root has no password on Ubuntu [16:15] fair enough .. but wat does " Token Manipulation error " sound like to you ? [16:15] http://askubuntu.com/questions/91188/authentication-token-manipulation-error [16:15] Buffyy34257: What does the command prompt you're at say. Type it or paste it exactly as you see it [16:16] fs is mounted ro probably [16:16] need to mount -o remount,rw / [16:16] then do the passwd change [16:16] * popey goes to play games [16:16] root@FseidScreeuyn:~# [16:16] cheers popey [16:17] Buffyy34257: popey's almost certainly right [16:17] (price I pay for taking the long route) [16:20] I dont understand wat to put on the grub 'linux' line after pressing 'e' .. [16:21] after the root=UUID= ... it says ro quiet splash $vt_handoff [16:21] where do I put it in there ? [16:21] Buffyy34257: you don't need to do anything at grub. You're already at the command prompt where you type that remount command [16:21] Oh Ok .. will do. [16:30] how do I know that is has mouned .. what command s that to find out ? [16:31] **mounted .. please ? [16:31] mount | grep ' / ' [16:31] note the spaces between the quote marks [16:33] it Says " /dev/sda1 on / type ext 4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) .. have I done that part, then ? [16:34] yes, rw means "read write" [16:35] I'm typing # mount -o remount,rw / at the terminal hash sign. Oh .. O .. proceeding as planned then .. hang-on .. [16:37] no it didn't work .. the password prompt just comes back up again .. Huh ? [16:38] It said it changed it successfully though .. go figure. (?) [16:38] reboot and try it [16:39] I shall try a complete shut down then stating it up again at the log-in screen. [16:39] Buffyy34257: sorry, that's what I meant [16:40] It says something about skipping 'mount' Is that something I need to be worried about ? [16:40] I don't know, without the full message [16:41] Just a startup thing .. nothing serious .. anyway back to the log-in screen. [16:41] Interesting. [16:42] When I type the password in improperly it ust refreshes the "Password Box" however .. [16:43] When I type my new password in 10x "z" .. It just goes blank for a second then return to he same log-in screen .. two passwords (one correct) .. same resulting login screen .. [16:44] However when I type the correct password in It negates to say " Invalid password, please try again " .. which it does when I type the Password in incorrectly . [16:44] Buffyy34257: press Ctrl+Alt+F1, try the password at the command prompt [16:45] Ctrl Alt F7 to return to the GUI [16:45] yes!I'm In .. that did it. [16:46] right so your password is working, but Ubuntu can't load your desktop (.e.g. Uunity, KDE etc) [16:46] next things to check might dmesg, disk free (df) and xserver logs. [16:47] it says " signature ot ound in user keyring " OK .. what command Do you want me to bash out ? [16:47] Buffyy34257: at the command prompt run ls - does it show the correct contents of your home directry? [16:47] it says .. [16:48] Access-Your-Private-data.desktop .ecryptfs .Private README.txt [16:48] I did " ls -a " [16:49] ruh roh [16:49] oh right, you had encryption setup then [16:49] Rowing tonight ? [16:49] maybe having a scooby snack [16:49] Scooby do speak for Uh oh! [16:50] Buffyy34257: do you care about the contents of this home directory? [16:50] There are files that I want to keep .. but privacy .. No. [16:51] Buffyy34257: Do you have backups of those files? [16:51] Not yet. [16:51] what you've esentially done is what a thief can do to your laptop [16:51] That was this weekend's plan , actually. [16:51] if the files are encrypted, you can't access them without password [16:52] So there no way back .. if you forget your password, it would seem ? [16:53] no, since you are in the same position as the thief atm without yuor old password [16:53] The whole point of an encrypted home is that you can't see the contents if you don't have the password [16:54] * Buffyy34257 consults bits of paper furiously around the lounge for clues :O [16:54] yeah, you need the old password [16:55] then you can do this http://askubuntu.com/a/383269 [16:56] * popey goes out for curry. [16:57] mmm curry [16:58] nom nom http://www.gurkhapalacerestaurant.co.uk/ [17:01] gah, another freeview renumbering? [17:04] i havemnt retuned in yonks [17:05] maybe ~1yr [17:05] rescanned [17:22] foobarry: Well I can't find it .. but there a $10 bounty going if anyone wants the mithering ? http://ow.ly/ATAsB === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtit === Myrtit is now known as Myrtti [18:21] bye bye Septemberists. [18:26] * Myrtti raises an eyebrow === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [19:24] * popey returns from curry [19:25] curreh [19:40] * foobarry returns from drwho [19:58] i need to find out how to block "hot on google" posts [19:58] they are all chicks firing guns lately [19:59] https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1686118?hl=en-GB [20:01] ta === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [20:01] non intuitive [20:01] it's the same as muting posts from someone you follow [20:02] i already had fewer, but the gun loving yanks just decided it for me [20:03] i had to mute my "canonical" circle during the edge campaign because they would all repost the exact same article every day and flood my stream [20:05] heh [20:05] yeah, i think i muted castro, bacon et al around the same time and didn't unmute after [20:05] g+ really needs to detect when everyone shares the same thing and only show it once [20:05] yeah [20:06] and a few other improvements needed [20:11] yeah, it could do with a de-dupe === webpigeon_ is now known as webpigeon === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away