[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:39] <foobarry> brobostigon: do you plot the number of online users in this chan too?
[13:40] <foobarry> be interested to see if there's been a downward trend in last couple of years
[13:40] <brobostigon> i do not, no.
[13:40] <foobarry> sure there used to be around 130 on average
[13:40] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:41] <popey> you could proably go back over irclogs.ubuntu.com and see how many people spoke
[13:43] <foobarry> when freenode splits and rejoins it tends to annouce the no of people in the join
[13:44] <popey> not logged unfortunately
[13:44] <foobarry> meh
[13:44] <foobarry> doesn't matter
[13:45] <popey> i agree with you though
[13:45] <popey> things are quieter
[13:45] <foobarry> and summer is quiet still of course
[13:47]  * popey tickles bigcalm 
[13:47] <foobarry> irc is in decline generally i suppose
[13:48] <shauno> last I heard most irc networks were in decline, but freenode was bucking the trend
[13:48] <foobarry> http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.001.jpg
[13:48] <popey> 570616
[13:49] <foobarry> http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.002.jpg
[13:49] <foobarry> shauno: ^^
[13:49] <shauno> ah yes, that's the exact article :)
[13:49] <popey> what do people use instead?
[13:49] <popey> MSN ? ☻
[13:50] <popey> heh, I just pinged someone on MSN who I haven't spoken to for some years
[13:51] <shauno> I Think facebook's pretty much eaten everything at this point
[13:51] <popey> yeah
[13:51] <foobarry> that should go into reverse soon ,
[13:51] <shauno> even people I used to talk to on google talk/chat/whatever, I talk to on fb now that google have broken federation
[13:51] <foobarry> i was messaging some people recently and only 2 have seen the message
[13:52] <foobarry> the other 3 haven't installed facebook messenger on their phone
[13:52] <popey> my wife only uses fb messenger now
[13:52] <popey> although she went to a party and someone introduced her to whatsapp
[13:52] <popey> she came home and asked why I'd never shown it to her!
[13:52] <foobarry> although my phone delivers fb messages still witohut the separate app
[13:52] <foobarry> cos its expensive ... $0.99 per year!
[13:52] <popey> I've started using telegram
[13:53] <foobarry> telegram sucks for group messages
[13:53] <popey> people pay for it?
[13:53] <foobarry> whatapp charge you after 1 yr of use
[13:53] <popey> news to me
[13:53] <foobarry> at least telegram doesn't have th esilly artificial restrictions of twitter
[13:55] <foobarry> or all phone types, WhatsApp is free to download and try for the first year. After, you have the option of extending your subscription for $0.99 USD per year.
[14:08] <DJones> Is it safe to remove the ubuntuone indicator from the top  bar in 14.04? and if so what the best safest method? Synaptic lists ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-data as being installed
[14:08] <popey> yes
[14:08] <popey> remove both
[14:09] <DJones> And ubuntuone-control-panel?
[14:09] <popey> ya
[14:09] <popey> you dont need any of them
[14:09] <DJones> Ta
[14:09] <DJones> To be removed includes ubuntu-desktop is that just the meta-package
[14:10] <popey> oof
[14:10] <popey> i thought we already removed it from the seed
[14:10] <DJones> That comes from complete removal of ubuntuone-client-data
[14:10] <popey> i guess not then
[14:11] <DJones> I think maybe I may leave it for a while & see if I can find a guide for that, certainly don't want to remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:12] <DJones> Ubuntuone-client wants to remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone and ubuntuone-control-panel
[14:13] <popey> makes sense
[14:14] <DJones> ubuntuone-client-data wants to remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone, python-ubuntuone-client, python-ubuntuone-control-panel, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-sso-client-qt and ubuntuone-control-panel
[14:17] <DJones> Removing ubuntu-desktop seems somewhat bad looking at the "depends" for the package http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop
[14:18] <popey> it wont remove those too
[14:19] <popey> i thought we had this sorted with an update
[14:19] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/309122/removing-ubuntu-one
[14:21] <DJones> I'll give that 1st answer a go, 58 upvotes looks positive
[14:24] <DJones> Thanks popey, worked a charm
[14:25]  * DJones upvotes popey 
[14:28]  * foobarry removes it too
[14:29] <foobarry> signs in to upvote and notices u1 logos on the openid pages
[14:30] <foobarry> 60 upvotes :P
[14:39] <popey> U1 does still exist
[14:39] <popey> it's only the file sharing bit that shut down
[14:42] <foobarry> and notes :(
[14:43] <foobarry> look out for the vulcan
[14:43] <foobarry> on its way to bournemoth
[14:44] <foobarry> just passed newbury
[14:52] <popey> grrr, utopic desktop is not using the nvidia driver for some reason
[14:53] <popey> nvidia driver installed and built.
[14:53] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188295/ xorg.log
[14:53] <popey> [    12.756] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[15:08] <foobarry> those uujkji~.
[15:09] <foobarry> woops. lost internet
[15:24] <Buffy743687> Slight problemo /uk  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188486/
[15:26] <foobarry> Buffy743687: did you succesfully change thepassword?
[15:27] <Buffy743687> no
[15:27] <Buffy743687> It said I had a token manipulation error.
[15:27] <foobarry> maybe you changed the root password
[15:27] <foobarry> To reset your password type this in
[15:27] <foobarry> passwd <username>
[15:27] <foobarry> did you do that?
[15:28] <Buffy743687> yes .. but I didn't change the password using sudo .. Is that what you mean ?
[15:29] <foobarry> i wondered why the To reset your password type this in
[15:29] <foobarry> woops
[15:29] <foobarry> i wondered why the lost password link didn't work
[15:30] <foobarry> on help.ubuntu
[15:31] <foobarry> using init=/bin/bash at the end of grub line
[15:31] <foobarry> then changing the password
[15:43] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: Still problemos .. you there .. I pinged out for 5 minutes, sorry.
[15:50] <foobarry> are you following the directions exactly?
[15:55] <Buffyy34257> I believe so .. I tried several times .. including the appending the grub menu .. What is a token Manipulation error, then ?
[15:59] <foobarry> try passwd -d <username> first
[15:59] <foobarry> to delete the password
[16:00] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: Oh maybe notit says cannot lock /etc/shadow .. I'm am sorry I am a new user.
[16:02] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: It Says=  passwd: cannot lock /etc/shadow; try again later.
[16:04] <Buffyy34257> I only have four hours to sort this mess out . I'm in a bit of a fix .
[16:05] <moreati> Buffyy34257: What's the output of this command? ls /etc/*.lock
[16:07] <Buffyy34257> No such file or directory  .. ls: cannot access /etc/*.lock
[16:07] <Buffyy34257> I may need to mount first .. but I am at my username .. alright.
[16:08] <Buffyy34257> back soon .. dinner just pinged. #nomnomnom
[16:09] <moreati> Buffyy34257: mount? Did you boot from a LiceCD or something?
[16:09] <moreati> *LiveCD
[16:09] <Buffyy34257> no .. standard install .
[16:09] <Buffyy34257> 14.04 desktop +Unity
[16:11] <Buffyy34257> here's wat I did : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188486/  Althou I may have just altered the 'root' password thou ? #notAquestion .. but you get my meaning.
[16:13] <moreati> Unless you did something unusual, then the user called root has no password on Ubuntu
[16:15] <Buffyy34257> fair enough .. but wat does " Token Manipulation error " sound like to you ?
[16:15] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/91188/authentication-token-manipulation-error
[16:15] <moreati> Buffyy34257: What does the command prompt you're at say. Type it or paste it exactly as you see it
[16:16] <popey> fs is mounted ro probably
[16:16] <popey> need to mount -o remount,rw /
[16:16] <popey> then do the passwd change
[16:16]  * popey goes to play games
[16:16] <Buffyy34257> root@FseidScreeuyn:~#
[16:16] <Buffyy34257> cheers popey
[16:17] <moreati> Buffyy34257: popey's almost certainly right
[16:17] <moreati> (price I pay for taking the long route)
[16:20] <Buffyy34257> I dont understand wat to put on the grub 'linux' line after pressing 'e' ..
[16:21] <Buffyy34257> after the root=UUID= ...  it says ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff
[16:21] <Buffyy34257> where do I put it in there ?
[16:21] <moreati> Buffyy34257: you don't need to do anything at grub. You're already at the command prompt where you type that remount command
[16:21] <Buffyy34257> Oh Ok .. will do.
[16:30] <Buffyy34257> how do I know that is has mouned .. what command s that to find out ?
[16:31] <Buffyy34257> **mounted .. please ?
[16:31] <moreati> mount | grep ' / '
[16:31] <moreati> note the spaces between the quote marks
[16:33] <Buffyy34257> it Says " /dev/sda1 on / type ext 4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)  .. have I done that part, then ?
[16:34] <moreati> yes, rw means "read write"
[16:35] <Buffyy34257> I'm typing # mount -o remount,rw /                  at the terminal hash sign. Oh .. O .. proceeding as planned then .. hang-on ..
[16:37] <Buffyy34257> no it didn't work .. the password prompt just comes back up again .. Huh ?
[16:38] <Buffyy34257> It said it changed it successfully though .. go figure. (?)
[16:38] <moreati> reboot and try it
[16:39] <Buffyy34257> I shall try a complete shut down then stating it up again at the log-in screen.
[16:39] <moreati> Buffyy34257: sorry, that's what I meant
[16:40] <Buffyy34257> It says something about skipping 'mount' Is that something I need to be worried about ?
[16:40] <moreati> I don't know, without the full message
[16:41] <Buffyy34257> Just a startup thing .. nothing serious .. anyway back to the log-in screen.
[16:41] <Buffyy34257> Interesting.
[16:42] <Buffyy34257> When I type the password in improperly it ust refreshes the "Password Box" however ..
[16:43] <Buffyy34257> When I type my new password in 10x "z" .. It just goes blank for a second then return to he same log-in screen .. two passwords (one correct) .. same resulting login screen ..
[16:44] <Buffyy34257> However when I type the correct password in It negates to say " Invalid password, please try again " .. which it does when I type the Password in incorrectly .
[16:44] <moreati> Buffyy34257: press Ctrl+Alt+F1, try the password at the command prompt
[16:45] <moreati> Ctrl Alt F7 to return to the GUI
[16:45] <Buffyy34257> yes!I'm In .. that did it.
[16:46] <moreati> right so your password is working, but Ubuntu can't load your desktop (.e.g. Uunity, KDE etc)
[16:46] <foobarry> next things to check might dmesg, disk free (df) and xserver logs.
[16:47] <Buffyy34257> it says " signature ot ound in user keyring "  OK .. what command Do you want me to bash out ?
[16:47] <moreati> Buffyy34257: at the command prompt run ls - does it show the correct contents of your home directry?
[16:47] <Buffyy34257> it says ..
[16:48] <Buffyy34257> Access-Your-Private-data.desktop  .ecryptfs  .Private  README.txt
[16:48] <Buffyy34257> I did " ls -a "
[16:49] <popey> ruh roh
[16:49] <moreati> oh right, you had encryption setup then
[16:49] <Buffyy34257> Rowing tonight ?
[16:49] <foobarry> maybe having a scooby snack
[16:49] <moreati> Scooby do speak for Uh oh!
[16:50] <moreati> Buffyy34257: do you care about the contents of this home directory?
[16:50] <Buffyy34257> There are files that I want to keep .. but privacy .. No.
[16:51] <moreati> Buffyy34257: Do you have backups of those files?
[16:51] <Buffyy34257> Not yet.
[16:51] <foobarry> what you've esentially done is what a thief can do to your laptop
[16:51] <Buffyy34257> That was this weekend's plan , actually.
[16:51] <foobarry> if the files are encrypted, you can't access them without password
[16:52] <Buffyy34257> So there no way back .. if you forget your password, it would seem ?
[16:53] <foobarry> no, since you are in the same position as the thief atm without yuor old password
[16:53] <moreati> The whole point of an encrypted home is that you can't see the contents if you don't have the password
[16:54]  * Buffyy34257 consults bits of paper furiously around the lounge for clues :O
[16:54] <popey> yeah, you need the old password
[16:55] <popey> then you can do this http://askubuntu.com/a/383269
[16:56]  * popey goes out for curry.
[16:57] <foobarry> mmm curry
[16:58] <popey> nom nom http://www.gurkhapalacerestaurant.co.uk/
[17:01] <hirectdex> gah, another freeview renumbering?
[17:04] <foobarry> i havemnt retuned in yonks
[17:05] <foobarry> maybe ~1yr
[17:05] <foobarry> rescanned
[17:22] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: Well I can't find it .. but there a $10 bounty going if anyone wants the mithering ? http://ow.ly/ATAsB
[18:21] <Buffyy34257> bye bye Septemberists.
[18:26]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[19:24]  * popey returns from curry
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> curreh
[19:40]  * foobarry returns from drwho
[19:58] <foobarry> i need to find out how to block "hot on google" posts
[19:58] <foobarry> they are all chicks firing guns lately
[19:59] <ali1234> https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1686118?hl=en-GB
[20:01] <foobarry> ta
[20:01] <foobarry> non intuitive
[20:01] <ali1234> it's the same as muting posts from someone you follow
[20:02] <foobarry> i already had fewer, but the gun loving yanks just decided it for me
[20:03] <ali1234> i had to mute my "canonical" circle during the edge campaign because they would all repost the exact same article every day and flood my stream
[20:05] <foobarry> heh
[20:05] <foobarry> yeah, i think i muted castro, bacon et al around the same time and didn't unmute after
[20:05] <ali1234> g+ really needs to detect when everyone shares the same thing and only show it once
[20:05] <foobarry> yeah
[20:06] <foobarry> and a few other improvements needed
[20:11] <popey> yeah, it could do with a de-dupe