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| ochosi | bluesabre: we might wanna set better default values for the blank/DPMS timeouts in xfpm. the current ones seem really low (iirc 1min on battery, 10mins on ac) | 07:46 |
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| elfy | morning peeps | 08:25 |
| ochosi | morning elfy | 08:25 |
| elfy | hi ochosi | 08:25 |
| elfy | broken nvidia here with the combination of nouveau being like molasses and I'm in trusty for a while :p | 08:28 |
| ochosi | that's sorta what it's there for :) | 08:33 |
| ochosi | so nouveau is broken for you? | 08:33 |
| elfy | dog slow - changing workspaces - I end up with everything on one untill it sorts itself out | 08:35 |
| elfy | though it could be something else - I've not got the patience today to find out - all I can say is that a clean install acts the same way :p | 08:36 |
| ochosi | right | 08:39 |
| ochosi | and nvidia doesn't really work either? | 08:39 |
| elfy | nope | 08:39 |
| ochosi | :/ | 08:39 |
| elfy | install nvidia - it uses nouveau | 08:39 |
| ochosi | that's odd | 08:40 |
| elfy | yep | 08:40 |
| ochosi | tried to create xorg.conf with the nvidia settings dialog yet? | 08:40 |
| elfy | there is an issue - I've seen chatter about it | 08:40 |
| elfy | no - but pretty sure it's not going to work - nvidia broke with yesterday's kernel update for some | 08:40 |
| ochosi | right, let's hope it'll get sorted until the release | 08:42 |
| elfy | I'm sure it will :) | 08:42 |
| elfy | might try one of the other nvidia options later - was using the -updates one | 08:44 |
| brainwash | hello ochosi and elfy | 08:45 |
| elfy | morning brainwash | 08:45 |
| ochosi | hey | 08:45 |
| brainwash | elfy: did you forward bug 1358361 upstream? | 08:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1358361 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar needs a pkexec policy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358361 | 08:47 |
| elfy | brainwash: no, ochosi and I talked about that at the time - I did do mousepad - which got a confused "what am I supposed to do with this" comment so I really forgot about doing the same for thunar ;) | 08:48 |
| elfy | makes sense really - pkexec should be a distro thing logically | 08:49 |
| elfy | we might need it - does anyone else? | 08:50 |
| brainwash | I guess so, shouldn't hurt to ship the policy file, so every distro gets it | 08:50 |
| elfy | the other thing I guess is that while *we* forwarded the LP bug upstream - mousepad probably wasn't the place to do it | 08:53 |
| brainwash | so, a mailing list discussion is needed here | 08:53 |
| elfy | and I've no idea *where* it should be reported | 08:53 |
| elfy | brainwash: sorry - I'm not going to get involved in any pkexec discussion - I use gksu - and will continue to do so untill it's not available | 08:54 |
| elfy | not shipping gksu with a suitable replacement for however long we did was short-sighted at best | 08:54 |
| brainwash | and I don't use any apps which would require gksu or pkexec :) | 08:54 |
| brainwash | maybe should reassign the 2 bug reports to xubu default settings then? | 08:55 |
| brainwash | and keep things downstream | 08:55 |
| elfy | I'd guess so | 08:56 |
| elfy | agreed - and done | 08:57 |
| brainwash | thanks | 08:57 |
| elfy | no idea what to do with the upstream bug xfce 11088 | 08:58 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 11088 in General "Pkexec policy needed for OS using pkexec" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11088 | 08:58 |
| elfy | probably needs to be marked invalid or something | 08:58 |
| elfy | they've both been released I believe | 08:59 |
| brainwash | leave it open, maybe it will start a discussion on how to include/install the policy file | 08:59 |
| elfy | the two LP bugs are all sorted now, right package and marked as released | 09:02 |
| brainwash | nice | 09:04 |
| brainwash | next report | 09:04 |
| brainwash | bug 1363223 | 09:04 |
| ubottu | bug 1363223 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager outdated on-line help" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363223 | 09:04 |
| brainwash | on-line help | 09:04 |
| brainwash | that's the xfce wiki page, right? | 09:05 |
| elfy | that'll be right | 09:05 |
| elfy | yea - so I think I'd be right in assuming that none of that has been updated for the new version | 09:05 |
| brainwash | I remember that someone worked on the wiki page for xfdesktop 4.11 | 09:06 |
| brainwash | slickymaster? | 09:06 |
| elfy | would have been at least him - possibly jjfrv8 too | 09:06 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Can you please sync libxfce4util? | 09:06 |
| elfy | brainwash: and whoever else got corralled into help with it :) | 09:07 |
| brainwash | elfy: should we link the report the right 14.10 blueprint? | 09:09 |
| elfy | yea | 09:09 |
| brainwash | elfy: xubuntu-u-docs? | 09:12 |
| elfy | I'd say so | 09:12 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Corsac removed the delta in an upload about 30 min ago | 09:12 |
| brainwash | but it's actually the xfce wiki page | 09:12 |
| brainwash | so upstream work | 09:12 |
| elfy | also will need adding to trello | 09:12 |
| elfy | brainwash: yes - but we still need to track it | 09:12 |
| brainwash | right | 09:13 |
| elfy | we can always unlink it - better to at least have it visible | 09:13 |
| brainwash | yea :) | 09:13 |
| elfy | done trello | 09:14 |
| elfy | ok - added a todo to -docs as well | 09:15 |
| elfy | brainwash: so - mailing list discussion - did you mean xfce mailing list? | 09:25 |
| ochosi | commented on the xfpm docs bug | 09:25 |
| brainwash | yes, it should be discussed upstream | 09:25 |
| brainwash | ochosi: ah, makes sense, 1.3 is just a dev release and things will change slightly | 09:26 |
| ochosi | well, not anymore i hope | 09:27 |
| ochosi | but if you compare the 1.3 releases, the settings dialog always looked a tad different | 09:27 |
| ochosi | (and it might change again after 1.4) | 09:27 |
| ochosi | i'm happy to coordinate ppl, if anyone wants to help with that | 09:28 |
| brainwash | I was thinking that the person responsible for the awesome xfdesktop 4.11 wiki page could be interested in doing the same for xfpm | 09:29 |
| ochosi | right, that was jjfrv8 and slickymaster (and me a bit) | 09:30 |
| elfy | jjfrv8 is away and busy afaik lately, if we need help and I can I will | 09:33 |
| elfy | shame that Toz doesn't get involved more here - he spends most of his time on the forum chasing down xubuntu issues | 09:39 |
| ochosi | true | 09:40 |
| ochosi | elfy: well you could always try to motivate him... | 09:42 |
| ochosi | i'm not on the forums anymore, so i never get in touch with him | 09:43 |
| elfy | he comes here most weekends ;) | 09:43 |
| ochosi | right | 09:43 |
| ochosi | never notized | 09:43 |
| ochosi | noticed | 09:43 |
| elfy | or at least when he's on freenode he comes here as well as the forum staff channel | 09:45 |
| elfy | right - well I'm off to get the day going and getting out dad's taxi ... cya later :) | 09:46 |
| brainwash | elfy: support for xfsm-shutdown to work with pkexec has been added upstream | 10:00 |
| brainwash | including the file org.xfce.session.policy | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | morning everybody | 10:25 |
| elfy | morning bluesabre | 10:25 |
| elfy | brainwash: nice | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | hey elfy | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | avoid kernel updates for nvidia... done | 10:26 |
| elfy | lol | 10:27 |
| ochosi | hey bluesabre | 10:29 |
| brainwash | elfy: now I'm trying to get eric involved, maybe he is able to get the policy files in (upstream) | 10:30 |
| brainwash | hello bluesabre | 10:31 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi, brainwash | 10:31 |
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| Unit193 | Debian #690339 may be quite important to Xfce... | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 690339 in libxfce4util4 "Don't use double forking when launching applications since it breaks pkexec" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/690339 | 11:00 |
| Unit193 | Ah, xfce 9373 | 11:01 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 9373 in General "double fork breaks desktop files containing pkexec" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9373 | 11:01 |
| brainwash | do we need to patch our package in ubuntu? | 11:03 |
| Unit193 | http://git.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/log/ unreleased at least. Filed incorrectly? Since we start policykit auth agent, it seems that works for now. | 11:07 |
| brainwash | we don't ship any "pkexec <app>" .desktop files either | 11:15 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't mean they aren't installed. | 11:16 |
| brainwash | or created manually by the user | 11:17 |
| Unit193 | Exec=synaptic-pkexec seems they use a different method in general though. | 11:17 |
| brainwash | that's a simple wrapper script | 11:17 |
| Unit193 | Hah, very. | 11:17 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: re: Better default values in xfpm, any suggestions? | 11:22 |
| ochosi_ | bluesabre: hmyeah, maybe like this | 11:23 |
| ochosi_ | on battery: blank: 10, dpms sleep: 15, dpms off: 30 | 11:23 |
| ochosi_ | on ac: blank: 15, dpms sleep: 20, dpms off: 60 | 11:23 |
| bluesabre | alrighty, that sounds reasonable | 11:24 |
| ochosi_ | might also end up setting those times upstream | 11:28 |
| ochosi_ | but it might be a good idea to carry that in x-d-s anyway | 11:28 |
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| brainwash | why different values for dpms sleep and off? | 11:30 |
| brainwash | having 3 steps is somewhat confusing | 11:31 |
| brainwash | blank -> sleep -> off | 11:31 |
| bluesabre | I think its because of monitor power states | 11:33 |
| bluesabre | on, black -> sleep -> off | 11:33 |
| brainwash | Standby: 0 Suspend: 0 Off: 600 | 11:36 |
| brainwash | there is also suspend (dpms) | 11:36 |
| brainwash | now it's getting really confusing | 11:37 |
| brainwash | or is suspend = sleep? | 11:37 |
| brainwash | oh right | 11:37 |
| ochosi_ | off takes longer than suspend for coming back/waking up | 11:38 |
| ochosi_ | and uses less power | 11:38 |
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| brainwash | and standby does what? | 11:39 |
| ochosi | standby and suspend are two different modes that also have slightly different power-usages and wakeup-times | 11:39 |
| ochosi | might differ depending on hardware | 11:39 |
| ochosi | in xfpm we only offer one "sleep mode" | 11:39 |
| ochosi | that can be configured via a hidden option | 11:40 |
| ochosi | since yet another slider or combobox would be kinda over the top | 11:40 |
| ochosi | default is suspend iirc | 11:40 |
| brainwash | yea, keep it simple | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: found another setting that we were missing for suspend-locking | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | complete diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8187072/ | 11:40 |
| * bluesabre should alphabetize | 11:41 | |
| ochosi | bluesabre: right, possible that this wasn't explicitely needed, since we set that in xfce4-session, no? | 11:41 |
| ochosi | (and xfpm syncs with session) | 11:41 |
| ochosi | anyway, the rest looks nice! thanks! | 11:41 |
| bluesabre | actually, not defined in our default session either | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | applying | 11:42 |
| ochosi | maybe it's a default value | 11:44 |
| bluesabre | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8187098/ | 11:44 |
| bluesabre | ^ mainly comparing with my current xml | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | so many places with same or similar settings | 11:48 |
| bluesabre | ochosi__: spotty internet today? | 11:56 |
| ochosi__ | not sure it's me or freenode | 11:56 |
| bluesabre | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8187098/ in case you lost it | 11:56 |
| ochosi__ | the rest of my connection is always up | 11:56 |
| ochosi__ | yup, said it looks good before | 11:56 |
| ochosi__ | but maybe that didn't reach you anymore :) | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | new paste | 11:57 |
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| ochosi | netsplits | 11:57 |
| ochosi | yeah, saw that one before | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | ok | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | just to verify, we do want dpms-enabled, right? | 11:58 |
| elfy | busy busy busy you lot :) | 11:59 |
| elfy | quick question ochosi - why is it that everyone gets the battery icon now? | 11:59 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yup | 12:00 |
| ochosi | elfy: because it is a plugin, not a trayicon that can be shown/hidden conditionally | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | elfy: should be a lightning bolt for desktop folks | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | or, I thought so | 12:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not anymore ;) | 12:01 |
| elfy | bluesabre: possibly | 12:01 |
| ochosi | it's a plug now | 12:01 |
| ochosi | anyway, the thing is that it shows more stuff, like connected devices | 12:01 |
| bluesabre | ochosi messes with me | 12:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: no way, i showed the icon to you before pushing it! | 12:01 |
| elfy | mmm - not really answering why - just what :p | 12:01 |
| bluesabre | oh right, *that* icon | 12:02 |
| bluesabre | :D | 12:02 |
| ochosi | elfy: i did answer your question | 12:02 |
| ochosi | 14:00 ochosi$ elfy: because it is a plugin, not a trayicon that can be shown/hidden conditionally | 12:03 |
| ochosi | that's the simple reason | 12:03 |
| elfy | ok - so why was it added - regardless of whether it's a plugin or trayicon ;) | 12:03 |
| elfy | wasn't there before in desktop | 12:03 |
| bluesabre | right | 12:04 |
| elfy | not that it's important - just something else I remove | 12:04 |
| ochosi | well as i said... | 12:04 |
| ochosi | it's a plugin | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | lol | 12:04 |
| ochosi | you cannot add/remove it conditionally | 12:04 |
| elfy | oic - so desktop HAS to have it because it might be useful in laptop ? | 12:05 |
| ochosi | yup | 12:05 |
| elfy | okey doke - thanks :) | 12:05 |
| ochosi | we can only put it there or not put it there (for everyone) | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | its not just for laptop power though | 12:05 |
| ochosi | and since it's important for laptops and by far not useless for desktops... | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | it shows wireless mice charge, has presentation mdoe, etc | 12:06 |
| ochosi | yup, what he ^ says :) | 12:06 |
| elfy | yep noticed the pointless presentation mode for elfy :p | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | :) | 12:07 |
| elfy | but I agree we'd not be wanting to NOT have it for laptops :) | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | actually, that might be handy for vnc users as well | 12:07 |
| ochosi | hehe, good | 12:08 |
| elfy | just got to ask the questions :) | 12:08 |
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| Unit193 | fr.po 71.8978% getting close! | 15:39 |
| brainwash | someone does not like to uninstall re-installed packages on every release upgrade | 17:28 |
| brainwash | bug 1314153 | 17:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1314153 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "XUbuntu reinstalls all default packages on release update" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314153 | 17:28 |
| brainwash | but what can we actually do resolve this? | 17:29 |
| brainwash | do we even want to -> invalid? | 17:29 |
| Unit193 | Here's a useful hint, right before you do an upgrade, sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install xubuntu-desktop. You'll at least get a little less (or a lot) than before. I had thought about this before, but only tried it on the last two upgrades and am happier with the result. | 17:30 |
| brainwash | so, no actual bug here | 17:30 |
| Unit193 | There will be a bug in the future, but I don't want to try and address it now. :P | 17:31 |
| brainwash | it's the expected behavior to pull in recommended packages | 17:31 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 17:31 |
| Unit193 | I'd comment mentioning --no-install-recommends, but that's not really a bug. | 17:31 |
| brainwash | and the user is free to disable recommends in apt (config) | 17:31 |
| brainwash | alright | 17:31 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm, but also not recommended. | 17:31 |
| brainwash | no? | 17:32 |
| Unit193 | No, can cause issues. Lubuntu did that by default, it caused issues there. | 17:32 |
| brainwash | maybe, but this particular user does not like to have those packages on his system | 17:33 |
| Unit193 | The problem will be when someone installs using mini.iso and then the Xubuntu-core task, then on upgrade gets xubuntu-desktop. :P | 17:33 |
| brainwash | oh mmh | 17:34 |
| ochosi | :) | 17:34 |
| Unit193 | I think I'm going to regret mentioning that. | 17:34 |
| ochosi | not a huge problem though, i mean folks using xubuntu-core are supposed to be semi-experts at least anyway | 17:34 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Yeah, but I believe if xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, and xfwm4 are installed, you get xubuntu-desktop on upgrade... | 17:39 |
| ochosi | you mean if all of them or one of them is installed? | 17:40 |
| Unit193 | All. | 17:40 |
| ochosi | right | 17:40 |
| * ochosi shrugs | 17:40 | |
| Unit193 | So, do we want to fix this? It would include talking to :other people:. | 17:40 |
| ochosi | well, how can it be fixed? | 17:40 |
| ochosi | (if it can be, i guess we should) | 17:41 |
| brainwash | tell us :D | 17:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, but come on, it's not *actual* talking | 17:41 |
| Unit193 | Change the priority in DistUpgrade.cfg so that if those and xubuntu-core is installed, it gets us xubuntu-core. | 17:41 |
| Unit193 | The concept of upgrades with -core isn't fun. :P | 17:44 |
| Unit193 | KeyDependencies: Dependencies that are considered "key" dependencies of the meta-pkg to detect if it was installed but later removed by the user | 17:45 |
| Unit193 | But I don't see a good, simple fix to this either. | 17:50 |
| ochosi | hmm | 17:50 |
| ochosi | well i'm no expert on this, so you better to to someone "who knows" | 17:50 |
| ochosi | s/to to/talk to/ | 17:50 |
| Unit193 | Hence, telking to creepers, mhmm. | 17:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: since we disabled all workspace features in xfwm4 by default, i guess we should disable the "wrap workspaces when reaching the screen edge" too | 18:05 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: from what i saw in 14.10 "with a dragged window" is still activated | 18:05 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: the other thing in x-d-s is adding a keyboard shortcut for whiskermenu (super+space) | 18:05 |
| elfy | ochosi: what's the matter with ctrl+esc | 18:08 |
| elfy | which is what it is atm | 18:08 |
| ochosi | elfy: just an additional shortcut that mirrors what many other DEs have | 18:16 |
| ochosi | (at least unity does) | 18:16 |
| ochosi | (and if memory serves, gnome3 too) | 18:16 |
| ochosi | g2g | 18:22 |
| ochosi | have a nice evening everyone! | 18:22 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: good point | 18:30 |
| ochosi | just noticed cause tested the live session of 14.10 with a friend | 18:31 |
| brainwash | ochosi: you should read the last comment on bug 1287171 | 21:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1287171 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "light-locker breaks x11vnc as service" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287171 | 21:13 |
| brainwash | some people just are not able to read all the previous comments before adding yet another comment :/ | 21:14 |
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