[00:01] <kernix> hi all
[00:01] <eeee> hello
[00:01] <kernix> hey eeee
[00:01] <Melar> I removed most of my old kernels but removed the last one... so I quick installed generic image 3.13.0-35 but still have no drivers or networking or usb on a aoa-150 netbook
[00:02] <blackangelpr> guys any one know  a bit about grub i could not boot after using my ssd on another computer :p  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8192171/
[00:02] <Melar> just need a direction to go in I got too trigger happy because my /boot had only 100mb
[00:03] <eeee> _josh: did you add the readline headers?
[00:04] <Beldar> MelarHave you run a apt-get update and dist-upgrade yet?
[00:05] <Melar> networking is defunct
[00:05] <Melar> ifconfig gies me lo only
[00:05] <Beldar> Melar, had you modified the kernel from /etc/default/grub ?
[00:05] <blackangelpr> Melar, did you disable it by mistake on bios? :(
[00:06] <_josh> eeee, yes. turns out i needed to put -lreadline at the end of the gcc command instead
[00:06] <evil_dan2wik> I need the package for LibSDL 1.2, what is it called?
[00:07] <LucasTT> google chrome is showing no icons
[00:07] <LucasTT> how do i fix that?
[00:07] <blackangelpr> evil_dan2wik, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libsdl-image1.2-dev
[00:08] <blackangelpr> anyone knows how to remake grub from live cd? :(   http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libsdl-image1.2-dev
[00:09] <skylake> when is skylake going to drop?
[00:09] <prohobo> i dunno, i guess when he decides to
[00:13] <Melar> okay dying here... any ides?
[00:13] <Melar> *ideas?
[00:13] <expunge> Melar: keep living instead?
[00:14] <Melar> lol
[00:14] <expunge> Melar: what's up?
[00:15] <expunge> so get a new kernel
[00:17] <expunge> Melar: you can get a list of drivers to work from by booting up the Ubuntu live OS (install media) and running 'lsmod'
[00:21] <sveinse> Is it possible to list which so's a running program is using? In particular I'm speculating that something in the unity world is picking an incorrect .so file
[00:24] <cn28h> sveinse: /proc/[pid]/maps maybe
[00:27] <cyberjunkie> Does anyone know of any good video tutorials for recompiling a kernel for ubuntu?
[00:28] <cyberjunkie> That or a good set of instructions from a site.
[00:29] <z9999> hello Beldar
[00:29] <z9999> Beldar, are you around?
[00:29] <cyberjunkie> Not recompiling but compiling a kernel i mean.
[00:30] <Beldar> z9999, yes
[00:30] <z9999> hi Beldar i couldnt get anything done last night
[00:31] <z9999> Beldar, i tried unetbootin and it didnt load the iso into the usb
[00:31] <z9999> Beldar, i can't get winusb because of the new version of ubuntu i have
[00:31] <z9999> Beldar, yumi doesnt work because it is for ubuntu not windows
[00:31] <z9999> Beldar, what else?
[00:31] <cyberjunkie> why don't you use the dd command?
[00:31] <cyberjunkie> Sorry to interupt.
[00:32] <Beldar> z9999, yes I saw that, my suggestion is finding someone to help you with this there. Basically you were given several tools that work, but could not figure them out, we can only do so much here. ;)
[00:32] <z9999> Beldar, no multiboot this time. right now i will be happy to get windows and later i can install ubuntu into a usb
[00:32] <z9999> Beldar, oh i see
[00:33] <cyberjunkie> Are u creating windows or ubuntu?
[00:34] <z9999> cyberjunkie, i am in ubuntu but i am trying to reinstall windows. ideally i want to do dual os but i am i can't figure it out
[00:34] <cyberjunkie> Use rufus for windows.
[00:34] <z9999> cyberjunkie, i can't even figure out how to reinstall windows right now
[00:34] <Beldar> z9999, You are welcome to keep asking, myself I can only show you so much is all.
[00:34] <cyberjunkie> Write iso to usb using rufus
[00:34] <z9999> ok Beldar i understand. i don't mean to frustrate people tryin to help
[00:35] <cyberjunkie> then when u get windows download wubi to install ubuntu along side windows.
[00:35] <cyberjunkie> Search for rufus.
[00:35] <z9999> Beldar, for some reason installing ubuntu was so easy i didn't know it would be so much trouble trying to reinstall windows
[00:35] <cyberjunkie> I just used it the other day.
[00:36] <z9999> cyberjunkie rufus can take a windows.iso?
[00:36] <cyberjunkie> Search "download rufus" in google.
[00:36] <cyberjunkie> Yes, I  just installed windows three days ago with rufus.
[00:36] <z9999> thanks cyberjunkie
[00:36] <z9999> :)
[00:36] <z9999> some hope
[00:36] <cyberjunkie> Now, I a bk in linux. lol
[00:36] <cyberjunkie> I am back*
[00:38] <cyberjunkie> But rufus is a reliable program to install windows. I used another windows laptop though to use rufus.
[00:38] <cyberjunkie> There is many usb writers though.
[00:38] <cyberjunkie> If you can't use a usb writer though use the dd command.
[00:39] <cyberjunkie> Do u know how to use the dd command?
[00:39] <cyberjunkie> What is the name of your iso file?
[00:40] <cyberjunkie> I will give you the command to put the iso on your usb from terminal.
[00:40] <z9999> hmmm ok
[00:40] <z9999> brb
[00:40] <z9999> gonna cme back
[00:40] <faryshta> hi, where is the apache error log on ubuntu?
[00:42] <reevot> help
[00:42] <zzzz9999> hello
[00:42] <zzzz9999> i am back
[00:43] <zzzz9999> who was i speaking to?
[00:43] <zzzz9999> hello Beldar
[00:43] <cyberjunkie> Me
[00:43] <zzzz9999> i don't mean to be annoying Beldar
[00:43] <cyberjunkie> zzzz9999
[00:43] <cyberjunkie> Give me the name of the iso.
[00:43] <zzzz9999> cyberjunkie, is it ok i pm you? i don't want to annoy others. i have been trying to get help since last night. some are really annoyed with me
[00:44] <cyberjunkie> Idc.
[00:44] <cyberjunkie> Pm away but give me the name of the iso
[00:46] <Jeffrey_f> can someone explain how to, once you fix code, that you can upload it?
[00:46] <Jeffrey_f> meaning Launchpad
[00:47] <trism> Jeffrey_f: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[00:48] <expunge> !contribute
[00:51] <judh1234> hello?
[00:55] <faryshta> hi
[00:55] <faryshta> how can i check apache error log on ubuntu?
[00:56] <OerHeks> tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
[00:56] <Jeffrey_f> Thanks trism
[01:05] <faryshta> OerHeks, file not found.
[01:08] <derek-g> can anyone help me with this issue:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/464600/cant-get-monitor-image-back-on-after-toggling-monitor-power-button  ?
[01:12] <expunge> derek-g: does the monitor have a light for indicating it's on?
[01:12] <faryshta> how can i check apache error log on ubuntu?
[01:12] <expunge> faryshta: /var/log/
[01:12] <K1rk> faryshta: Probably in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[01:14] <K1rk> derek-g: If lightdm is crashing you might find some insights in /var/log/syslog, but as it sounds like you are toggling the monitor power that should not communicate anything back to lightdm and cause a crash.  Sounds more like a monitor issue.
[01:14] <K1rk> derek-g: If you just do CTRL+ALT+F1 and then do CTRL+ALT+F7 or F8 (don't restart ligthdm, just switch off the GUI to TTY and back to GUI) does that also resolve the issue?  Maybe restarting lightdm isn't what's actually fixing it, maybe going to TTY is fixing it.
[01:14] <faryshta> expunge, K1rk got it, it wasthere but i needed root permissions to see it
[01:15] <derek-g> K1rk, no. I think I dfound a bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313539
[01:15] <K1rk> faryshta: Ah, yeah, you will.
[01:16] <finrod> I just asked the hardware room which is the best program for monitoring my desktop PC's health, temperature and processes.  So far, my sources say Htop, Im_sensors and desert_eagle, but which is the best for an old desktop PC running ubuntu?
[01:16] <K1rk> derek-g: weird.
[01:16] <K1rk> finrod: htop doesn't monitor temp I don't think?
[01:17] <K1rk> finrod: What do you mean exactly by "monitor" also?
[01:17] <K1rk> If you want to receive alerts you'll want to look at something like Nagios or Opsview
[01:17] <expunge> faryshta: it was in /var/log/, I know =)
[01:17] <finrod> Yeah, it's just a task manager, so may be I don't need Htop.  May be ubuntu already has a task manager.  I have no idea.
[01:18] <faryshta> someone know howto configure dnsmasq? i am trying that *.faryshta.local answers on 127.0.1.1 but i haven't been able to do it
[01:18] <K1rk> finrod: What exactly are you trying to look at?
[01:19] <K1rk> finrod: Munin is a nice tool for trending CPU usage, memory usage, number of processes, bandwidth usage, etc -- over time.  Maybe this is what you are looking for?
[01:20] <sveinse> faryshta: .local domain is very commonly assigned to DNS-SD (dns service discovery) in the avahi service (aka zeroconf or bonjour)
[01:20] <K1rk> Munin can probably do processor temps and stuff too if you install lm_sensors and do a plugin, but I haven't done it.
[01:20] <rww> I'd go with munin + its lm-sensors plugin. It's what I use.
[01:20] <K1rk> rww: Ah nice I figured it had a plugin.
[01:20] <faryshta> sveinse, ok how do i do it?
[01:20] <finrod> I noticed when I opened up my PC, it's got all kinds of hardware jammed in together really close and it felt pretty hot, so I suspect I may be running it too long for the fan to handle that heat
[01:21] <K1rk> Fans are cheap
[01:21] <K1rk> And just because it feels hot doesn't mean the temp isn't safe
[01:21] <sveinse> faryshta: Well, you don't. Avahi look up the .local name on you local network and replies any found matches. AFAIK you can't make it reply looback addresses
[01:22] <K1rk> finrod: Probably a good idea to just check some of your readings and see what the temps are and check what's safe for your hardware.
[01:22] <faryshta> sveinse, then why ping app.faryshta.local send error?
[01:22] <K1rk> finrod: Trending over time with Munin certainly wouldn't be bad, you could see if it is getting hotter over time
[01:23] <finrod> The fan is really loud but probably doing a good job
[01:23] <sveinse> faryshta: ...if avahi is in use in the first place. How to configure dnsmasq is out of my knowledge, unfortunately
[01:23] <faryshta> sveinse, ok how do i put avahi on use in 14.04?
[01:23] <K1rk> finrod: What components are you most concerned about in this rig?  Generally hard drives and processors are what will have thermal sensors.
[01:24] <K1rk> finrod: smartmontools can tell you the current temp of your hard drive if it supports SMART, it can also tell you how hot it has ever been.
[01:24] <sveinse> faryshta: How would that help you? What are you trying to do with avahi?
[01:24] <faryshta> sveinse, what i am trying to do is that *.faryshta.local answers on 127.0.1.1
[01:24] <faryshta> sveinse, if you say i can do it with avahi the question is how
[01:25] <K1rk> finrod: You may find this link useful.  http://technicalworldforyou.blogspot.com/2013/05/monitor-you-cpu-and-harddisk.html
[01:25] <finrod> thanks a lot Kirk
[01:26] <sveinse> faryshta: No, avahi can look your machin up on your lan and give you your LAN addr, but it would never give you your loopback addr
[01:26] <K1rk> np finlstrm
[01:26] <K1rk> *np finrod
[01:27] <faryshta> sveinse, ok then do you know how to do what i need?
[01:27] <sveinse> faryshta: Nope. And frankly I dont see why
[01:29] <ampy> goddamn there's a lot of people here
[01:29] <K1rk> lol
[01:31] <ampy> So let's say I deleted unity_support_test from my system. Anywhere I can download that?
[01:31]  * K1rk realizes how much of a Debian person he has become
[01:33] <puff> Hi, I'm trying to get sketchup working on ubuntu 14.
[01:33] <OerHeks> !find unity_support_test
[01:34] <puff> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8192773/
[01:34] <OerHeks> reinstall nux tools
[01:34] <puff> But apt is telling me if I install wine1.7, I'll uninstalls smbclient, which cups-client recommends... how important is smbclient?
[01:34] <ampy> yeah I got nux tools thanks
[01:35] <K1rk> puff: Are you connecting to any Windows machines?
[01:35] <OerHeks> ampy, so how did you remove unity_support_test anyway?
[01:35] <ampy> rm unity_support_test
[01:35] <K1rk> ampy: .... why?
[01:35] <ampy> it kept saying "unexpected ")"" when I ran it
[01:36] <ampy> and I couldn't actually look at it because it was encoded in zimbabwean or something
[01:38] <ampy> So just a general poll - did everyone else have to do a bit of tweaking after upgrading to 14?
[01:38] <ampy> There were several system errors I had to personally resolve.
[01:38] <sakamop> Hi. With multiple machines, is there some kind of way of setting up a centralised repo mirror so that everyone doesn't have to download updates separately?
[01:39] <expunge> sakamop: no doubt
[01:39] <ampy> Do you already have a repo?
[01:40] <ampy> I think it's the same as setting up any other repository, but don't quote me on that.
[01:40] <sakamop> ampy: expunge I meant the main Ubuntu mirror.
[01:40] <ampy> oh
[01:40] <expunge> sakamop: http://www.unixmen.com/setup-local-repository-ubuntu-14-0413-1013-04-server/
[01:41] <sakamop> expunge: Thanks.
[01:42] <OerHeks> i'd love to run my own mirror, how much space would that take?
[01:43] <expunge> OerHeks: for everything, or just the packages you use?
[01:44] <K1rk> sakamop: You're trying to save bandwidth I assume?
[01:44] <OerHeks> expunge, complete 32/64 bit repos, 50 gb?
[01:45] <vadi> I've got a dualmonitor setup, and games keep seeing the wrong monitor as the primary monitor. I'm on nvidia proprietary drivers. Is there any fix for this?
[01:45] <Beldar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Rsyncmirror
[01:45] <K1rk> Ah it looks like sakamop left.
[01:45] <K1rk> One thing my old work did, with a great success, was we set up a reverse proxy with caching enabled of us.archive.ubuntu.com with Squid on an internal server, and redirected traffic using internal DNS
[01:46] <K1rk> Saved a lot of bandwidth and didn't require a full mirror or any administrative attention ever
[01:46] <K1rk> I think we allocated like 20GB of space and configured Squid to cache anything up to 500MB or something
[01:46] <K1rk> And it took care of itself
[01:47] <ampy> goddammit
[01:47] <expunge> OerHeks: is it? That sounds low
[01:47] <ampy> someone explain this : http://postimg.org/image/ym1lqvlpz/
[01:47] <ampy> there's a bunch of files that have this "unexpected ")"" thing going on
[01:48] <expunge> OerHeks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors 642? =)
[01:48] <expunge> ampy: 'sh' is not bash on ubuntu
[01:48] <OerHeks> Beldar, expunge thanks, 600 gb+
[01:48] <expunge> ampy: try using 'bash'
[01:49] <expunge> or re-alias 'sh'
[01:49] <OerHeks> but that would do all versions, not only 14.04 i guess
[01:49] <expunge> although that would probably give you problems with people assuming sh on Ubuntu is what it ordinarily is =P
[01:50] <OerHeks> !language | ampy
[01:50] <expunge> ampy: what's that wallpaper?
[01:50] <ampy> errr I've used sh before with no problems but bash gives me "cannot execute binary file" - mayhaps it's missing an extension? should just be your ordinary executable
[01:50] <ampy> ah the wallpaper is just some cool art I found online
[01:50] <ampy> don't know the artist, sorry
[01:50] <ampy> but I have more
[01:50] <ampy> could upload it later
[01:51] <PP5JEB> wine
[01:55] <expunge> ampy: I can find it, if you show it to me =P
[01:57] <ampy> find what?
[01:57] <ampy> btw those walls http://www.4shared.com/archive/z48EWthXce/wallztar.html
[01:59] <Apteryx> Hello! I'm trying to configure custom options for my mouse under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-logitech.conf
[01:59] <Apteryx> The configuration works when I'm on the login screen (lightdm) of Ubuntu.
[01:59] <Apteryx> But as soon as I login, the configuration is reset...
[02:00] <ampy> did you just edit the conf file? you didn't try the mouse gui?
[02:00] <expunge> eh, too lazy to create a fake account just to download something =P
[02:00] <ampy> oh where's a good place to upload stuff
[02:00] <Apteryx> ampy: What I want to achieve is not available via the GUI
[02:01] <raydecampo> I'm having an issue with the password collection screen after the system has been locked and I am trying to figure out which package to write the bug against
[02:01] <Apteryx> ampy: I have 2 mouses connected, and I want to change the buttons mapping of just one of them.
[02:01] <expunge> mice =)
[02:01] <Apteryx> It seems udev detects the mouse two times
[02:02] <Apteryx> One time at the login screen, and another time after the login is processed.
[02:02] <expunge> raydecampo: what issue
[02:02] <Apteryx> And the configuration is lost at the second detection.
[02:02] <Apteryx> Could well be a bug.
[02:02] <ampy> I've had that problem before Apteryx
[02:02] <michael_> Hello All I have just had a motherboard failure and have move my hard drive from amd64 system to intel core 2 system everything appears to be working but just wondering about change my software sources or current packages that are installed for my old system
[02:02] <ampy> I don't know how to solve it, unfortunately
[02:02] <raydecampo> expunge: the textfield for the password is sometimes missing making difficult to log in
[02:03] <expunge> michael_: your higher level software won't care
[02:03] <expunge> michael_: you might want to tweak your lower level hardware driver type stuff
[02:03] <expunge> or potentially not =)
[02:03] <expunge> raydecampo: missing?
[02:04] <raydecampo> expunge: right, there's nothing to type in.  I can sometimes get around it via ctrl-alt-f7 or -f8 or in a pinch -f1 and either log out other users or restart lightdm
[02:04] <OerHeks> michael_, i would run updates to see what happens
[02:04] <michael_> expunge, ok cheers how do i check what might be need is there a guide online I can look at
[02:05] <ampy> apt-get update?
[02:05] <michael_> OerHeks, it wants to install amd64 packages
[02:06] <sydney> for some reason ubuntu randomly started treating my front audio port like my back one. how to fix?
[02:06] <raydecampo> expunge: I'd use ubuntu-bug to generate a bug report but I don't have a GUI when the issue arises
[02:06] <Basketball> how can i recover a perminate deleted file it was either a .docx or .doc it was in my downloaded folder and idk the name of it
[02:06] <roasted> hello friends
[02:06] <OerHeks> michael_, that is fine amd64 invented the hybrid 32+64 bit processor
[02:06] <Apteryx> ampy: ok! The Xorg.0.log has seems to have something to say about it, but I couldn't decryt the meaning of it. I've copied the part of it related to the Logitech mouse here: http://pastebin.com/Abnu5iyY
[02:06] <puff> K1rk: Not connecting to any windows machines, but to a printer.
[02:06] <ampy> sydney do you use pulse?
[02:06] <Basketball> OerHeks, how can i recover a perminate deleted file it was either a .docx or .doc it was in my downloaded folder and idk the name of it
[02:06] <ampy> or what?
[02:06] <roasted> Is anybody having issues with appindicator1 lately? It keeps asking me when I log in if I want to install it. I see that dropbox, owncloud, etc is missing as there is no appindicator installed. Trick is, if I install it, it removes chrome....??
[02:07] <puff> K1rk: I'm using an hp photosmart 6520 wireless printer.
[02:07] <eeee> Basketball: try testdisk
[02:07] <Basketball> eeee,  how
[02:07] <OerHeks> Basketball, not i guess, you could try a forensic tool like testdisk
[02:07] <expunge> michael_: that is, intel core is 'amd64' arch
[02:07] <eeee> Basketball: sudo apt-get install testdisk
[02:08] <Basketball> eeee,  ok how do i use it
[02:08] <eeee> Basketball: was the filesystem ntfs or fat ?
[02:08] <OerHeks> i would not install something on the drive that lost a doc
[02:08] <sydney> ampy: yes,but it only shows 1 output.
[02:08] <Basketball> eeee,  idk
[02:08] <Apteryx> ampy: I'll remove my custom .conf in xorg.conf.d and see if the errors in Xorg.0.log go away. If so... I'll report a bug.
[02:08] <eeee> Basketball: was it a drive you use on windows or linux ?
[02:08] <Basketball> linux
[02:08] <raydecampo> Basketball: install it from a live disk - stop using the disk with the data asap
[02:09] <Basketball> i only have one dive
[02:09] <Basketball> raydecampo,  i deleted it 3 hours ago
[02:10] <eeee> Basketball: sudo testdisk, then select don't log, then select the drive, press enter when it says the partition type,
[02:10] <ampy> yeah apteryx I looked at the error message and it's a perl thing, has to do with erroneous code
[02:10] <eeee> then quick search, when you see your partition press p to view the files, then c to copy them
[02:10] <michael_> expunge, ok cool thanks for your help have a great day
[02:10] <michael_> :)
[02:10] <ampy> maybe you messed up your syntax while editing the conf file
[02:11] <eeee> Basketball: or C , i forgot
[02:11] <michael_> OerHeks, cheers :)
[02:11] <raydecampo> expunge: do you think the missing password textfield fall under lightdm, unity or unity-greeter?
[02:11] <michael_> Bye for now all
[02:11] <Basketball> eeee,  do i do analysis geometry or etc
[02:11] <eeee> no
[02:11] <Basketball> eeee,  which do i select
[02:11] <eeee> Basketball: select analyse
[02:12] <Apteryx> ampy: Possible. Are you good at this? Would you mind taking a quick look?
[02:12] <ampy> sydney this sounds dumb but did you restart? also mess around with recording applications like audacity, look at all the monitors, see where all inputs and outputs go, reinstall pulse, i dunno man there's a lot of guesswork involved
[02:12] <expunge> raydecampo: I think there are people on bug trackers who fix miscategorized things
[02:12] <Basketball> eeee,  quick serch or backup
[02:12] <ampy> apteryx: oh perl is all greek to me, that's just what google-fu came up with
[02:12] <eeee> Basketball: quick search
[02:13] <raydecampo> expunge: Yeah if I couldn't find someone who knew tonight I was just going to write it against something and hope for the best
[02:13] <Basketball> deeper search or write
[02:13] <Basketball> and should i have selected swamp
[02:13] <eeee> deeper search
[02:13] <eeee> no
[02:13] <Basketball> ok good i didnt
[02:13] <OerHeks> Basketball, my experience is: testdisk finds direct the files that are recoverable, or not.
[02:13] <ampy> apteryx: btw the information came from here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1605195/inappropriate-ioctl-for-device
[02:14] <OerHeks> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[02:14] <Apteryx> ampy: for reference, here's my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-logitech-mouse.conf: http://pastebin.com/rS5FmWwQ
[02:14] <eeee> Basketball: my experience with testdisk is that if it's fat it's recoverable, ext4 ... not always
[02:15] <expunge> my experience is... oh wait I keep backups =)
[02:15] <eeee> expunge: lol
[02:15] <ampy> apteryx: formatting error? I honestly have no clue
[02:15] <eeee> Basketball: when you see the partition press stop
[02:15] <OerHeks> One who does test his backup, can be lazy
[02:16] <Basketball> eeee,  i only have 1 partition
[02:16] <Apteryx> ampy: ok :) thanks. What led you to perl?
[02:16] <Basketball> eeee,  it is doinf analysis cylinder
[02:16] <eeee> Basketball: what
[02:16] <eeee> Basketball: testdisk isn't to mess around with
[02:17] <volt> Sup pl0x
[02:17] <eeee> Basketball: did you press stop ?
[02:17] <Basketball> eeee, i just closed it
[02:17] <eeee> ok,
[02:17] <Basketball> eeee,  whatever i will start over
[02:18] <eeee> ok,
[02:18] <ampy> Inappropriate ioctl is a peperl error messagerpl
[02:18] <eeee> if it doesn't find it in the quick search
[02:18] <eeee> then deep search, it'll show up, then press stop
[02:18] <eeee> ( should show up )
[02:19] <eeee> then press p to view the files
[02:20] <volt_> join #help
[02:20] <Basketball> eeee,  on quick search i see my patiton no files though
[02:20] <eeee> are you sure it's your partition ?
[02:20] <eeee> you mentioned swap earlier ?
[02:21] <Basketball>  Linux                    0  32 33 14333 114 53  230264832
[02:21] <Basketball> 1 * Linux                    0  32 33 14333 114 53  230264832
[02:21] <Basketball>  2 P Linux Swap           14333 147 23 14593  65 48    4171760
[02:21] <eeee> ok and when you press p over Linux what happens
[02:22] <Basketball> eeee,  how do i get to linux my tab keys only move to quit and deep search andwrite
[02:23] <eeee> up and down
[02:23] <Basketball> eeee,  does noting
[02:23] <eeee> Basketball: i see, press deeper search
[02:23] <eeee> if it comes up press p
[02:23] <eeee> if you want i think you should try something else
[02:23] <Basketball> eeee,  if what comes up
[02:23] <eeee> if the partition comes up
[02:24] <eeee> press q, until you reach the drive selection
[02:24] <Jpmh> what is the simplest way to cause a script to be executed at the end of startup?
[02:24] <eeee> select the drive, this time select intel if you didn't before
[02:25] <netlar> Is there some utility that will change the close button behavior in Unity?
[02:25] <volt> /etc/init.d?
[02:25] <eeee> Jpmh: /etc/rc.local if you need root privileges, /etc/profile otherwise
[02:26] <eeee> netlar: look into ubuntu-tweak and compiz
[02:26] <eeee> Basketball: after selecting the drive, select intel if you hadn't before
[02:27] <Jpmh> eeee: isn't /etc/profile done when users sign on rather than when the system comes up?
[02:27] <Jpmh> volt: suspect that is what I want, I will check out the documentation
[02:28] <netlar> eeee: I heard Ubuntu-tweak is not good
[02:28] <volt> What IDLE is preferred?
[02:28] <eeee> try compiz
[02:29] <Basketball> eeee,  i see the file i pressed c to copy how do i paste it
[02:29] <volt> IDE*
[02:29] <eeee> it should ask you where to copy to
[02:29] <Basketball> Directory /home/harris/Downloads
[02:29] <Basketball> Copy done!
[02:29] <Basketball> i dont see it in downloads
[02:30] <eeee> Basketball: that's where it was copied from, not to
[02:31] <eeee> after you press c, it asks you to select the destination
[02:31] <Basketball> eeee,  i will jsust start over
[02:31] <cfhowlett> netlar, depends what you consider "good".  It does make it quite easy to do some micro-level tweaking that is normally well hidden.  Also makes it easy to break micro-level stuff because it's normally well-hidden.
[02:31] <eeee> it's ok
[02:31] <eeee> no
[02:31] <eeee> Basketball: just press q
[02:31] <Basketball> eeee,  i quit it already
[02:31] <netlar> cfhowlett: Just do not want to make the system unstable
[02:33]  * jelmd wonders, wether hands-off installation of ubuntu is possible at all …
[02:33] <rww> you do the same thing you do with any other OS: install it on one machine, then multicast image it out to the other machines
[02:34] <cfhowlett> netlar, somehow, I've managed to live without it but - YMMV
[02:34] <netlar> cfhowlett: Think I am trying to make it like OSX
[02:35] <jelmd> rww: I meant installation, not doing stupid things
[02:36] <netlar> cfhowlett: The launcher minimizes too, not that bad, the Launcher does lots of cool things anyway
[02:36] <sydney> fixed :)
[02:36] <cfhowlett> netlar, I've got the wallpapers from OSX snow leopard and lion.  easy to set them up.  Also discovered that the theme.packs from win7 can be extracted for use. BUT I still use mostly stock ubuntu studio
[02:37] <netlar> cfhowlett: I do like the look of Unity
[02:37] <netlar> cfhowlett: Just changed Icons to Elementary ones
[02:38] <rolleiflex> another hour, another packaging question
[02:38] <rolleiflex> I'm releasing my own app as deb
[02:38] <cfhowlett> netlar, I do have one tasty background wallpaper that you might like = Ray Traced ubuntulogo on dark background.  Would you acccept a DCC?
[02:38] <rolleiflex> is there a recommended location to put the application binaries on ubuntu / debian?
[02:39] <rolleiflex> I couldn't find anything, I think everybody thinks it to be obvious, but I have no idea, so...
[02:39] <netlar> cfhowlett: DCC?
[02:39] <eeee> rolleiflex: you mean you're own applications?
[02:39] <cfhowlett> netlar, file transfer via IRC.  I just sent the offer, but it won't transfer without your approval.
[02:39] <rolleiflex> eeee: no, I mean the application I develop
[02:40] <rolleiflex> (www.getaether.net)
[02:40] <eeee> rolleiflex: you can have a ~/bin and put stuff there, and it'll be added to your path on startup
[02:40] <netlar> cfhowlett: I am in irssi
[02:40] <rolleiflex> I am releasing a linux version
[02:40] <cfhowlett> netlar, or get it from my spreadubuntu    http://spreadubuntu.org/en/users/cfhowlett
[02:40] <volt> rolleiflex: add in into bin
[02:40] <rolleiflex> ~/bin or /bin?
[02:40] <eeee> rolleiflex: well, apps go to /usr/bin usually
[02:41] <rolleiflex> ok, this is a locally installed app, so wouldn't usr/bin make it available to all users
[02:41] <eeee> rolleiflex: yes it would
[02:42] <rolleiflex> eeee: I see. thanks. I'd rather use ~/bin then
[02:42] <netlar> cfhowlett: I have been having trouble with some wallpapers
[02:42] <rolleiflex> another question I have is, is there a way to add this application to startup, if the user selects it from the user settings?
[02:42] <netlar> cfhowlett: Most work ok, but some will not show up on the lock screen, just the orange background
[02:43] <rolleiflex> I know how to add it from the command line, but I was wondering if there was a 'startup' folder to which I can drop my startup file, and remove as prompted
[02:43] <rolleiflex> like windows or os x launchd
[02:43] <sydney> What of the 3 versions of mp4 is the 'normal' one?
[02:44] <eeee> rolleiflex: well, for the user, you could write to ~/.profile i guess
[02:44] <pfsense_rookie> rolleiflex, shouldn't there be an application called startup?
[02:44] <cfhowlett> netlar, I'm on xubuntu.  tried to set up a customized wallpaper folder, but the system kept reverting to the system folder.  Finally, I sudo cp'd my custom wallpapers to the system wallpaper folder.  problem solved.
[02:44] <eeee> rolleiflex: not sure if there's a better way
[02:44] <pfsense_rookie> rolleiflex, on your system I mean.
[02:44] <rolleiflex> pfsense_rookie: I don't use linux GUI very much, care to explain more?
[02:45] <rolleiflex> eeee: I'll try that, thanks
[02:45] <eeee> np
[02:45] <rolleiflex> btw, there is no ~/bin on my machine
[02:45] <volt> rolleiflex: it's called startup applications
[02:45] <eeee> rolleiflex: yeah, you have to mkdir it
[02:45] <pfsense_rookie> rolleiflex, nevermind then.
[02:45] <rolleiflex> ah I see, thanks
[02:46] <rolleiflex> volt yes, how do I add my entry there, programmatically?
[02:46] <eeee> rolleiflex: is this app for ubuntu?
[02:46] <rolleiflex> eeee: yes, I am releasing on ubuntu first
[02:46] <rolleiflex> for the rest of the distros I'll provide the binaries only
[02:47] <volt> rolleiflex: haven't used it before though. I suppose you add in the path to script etc
[02:47] <eeee> ok cool, was going to tell you i'm not sure all distros check if theres a ~/bin and add to the path, ( btw ~/.profile checks if the bin is there and adds it )
[02:48] <rolleiflex> yeah, I guess that's the way it goes
[02:48] <rolleiflex> I'm pretty sure there is a way to access it programmatically but I don't know how to do that
[02:50] <eeee> rolleiflex: ~/.config/autostart
[02:50] <eeee> just googled it
[02:50] <rolleiflex> eeee: thanks! I ended up with that too it seems
[02:50] <eeee> you have to add a .desktop file
[02:50] <rolleiflex> I have that desktop file, yeah
[02:51] <rolleiflex> I think it goes to ~/.local/share/applications as per debian
[02:51] <rolleiflex> but what I discovered is wherever you put this file works
[02:51] <rolleiflex> so that's good, thanks
[02:51] <ampy> whoa
[02:52] <eeee> np
[02:52] <volt> What is everyone up to?
[02:54] <SchrodingersScat> !ot | volt
[02:54] <volt> oops
[02:58] <Guest42281> hubba hubba
[02:58] <luks1> hello
[03:05] <royalaxe> hello all, does anyone know of a url where there are heaps of useful scripts for ubuntu?
[03:07] <OerHeks> royalaxe, https://launchpad.net/projects/+index?text=script
[03:08] <royalaxe> thankyou OerHeks
[03:09] <Wonderfulheart> Buon giorno a tutti!
[03:09] <cfhowlett> !it | Wonderfulheart
[03:09] <royalaxe> mate, fantastic, that link is the ducks nuts
[03:09] <Wonderfulheart> Good morning at all!
[03:10] <royalaxe> hello Wonderfulheart
[03:10] <Wonderfulheart> Hi!
[03:14] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!
[03:14] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!
[03:14] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!!
[03:14] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!!!
[03:14] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!!!!
[03:14] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!!!!!
[03:14] <unopaste> favonian_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:15] <hephaestus|rgweb> hello, could someone help me fix my packet loss? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8184798/
[03:15] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!!!!!!
[03:15] <favonian_> I used to date a guy named Ubuntu.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass!!!!!!!!
[03:16] <hephaestus|rgweb> for the driver, it says b43-pci-bridge
[03:17] <hephaestus|rgweb> it's a bcm4311 rev 01 (b/g only)
[03:17] <zerothis> how would one install android x86 using chroot under ubuntu?
[03:18] <rww> the same way you'd install it using chroot on any other OS, I expect
[03:18] <rww> s/OS/distro/
[03:19] <zerothis> rww: so how's that? I've never installed another distro using chroot
[03:19] <cicero_> Boa noite povâo
[03:19] <rww> zerothis: no idea, go ask the android x86 folks
[03:19] <cicero_> estou precisando esclarecer uma duvida
[03:20] <rww> ubottu: pt | cicero_
[03:21] <hephaestus|rgweb> any wifi experts around?
[03:22] <rww> zerothis: (who appear to live at #android-x86)
[03:25] <cicero_> ubottu : tem ninguém la cara
[03:26] <rww> cicero_: nevertheless, we speak English here.
[03:26] <cicero_> kkkk
[03:26] <cicero_> de boa
[03:26] <zerothis> rww: thanks
[03:28] <OerHeks> hephaestus|rgweb, this used to be the trick on 12.04, maybe it applies for you too > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997880&page=10&p=13016117#post13016117
[03:50] <hephaestus|rgweb> OerHeks: didn't work
[03:50] <john_doe_jr> I'm using the dd command to transfer some data and and I wanted to know what the error message is "Device not configured" …do u know what that means?
[04:01] <z9999999> hello cyber?
[04:05] <CreeLux> has anyone here run into odd issues while trying to install the latest from cd onto a solid state drive?
[04:06] <cfhowlett> !anyone
[04:18] <aceanimations> d
[04:19] <z9999999> cyberjunkie i am here
[04:21] <rawfodog> im trying to install something on ubuntu server but im getting this error http://pastebin.com/MSGMTnYu
[04:23] <hunesco> hello
[04:24] <K1rk> Hello hunesco, can we help you with something?
[04:24] <hunesco> i hope yes K1rk
[04:24] <hunesco> i am runing one ubuntu server
[04:24] <K1rk> Go ahead and just ask your question hunesco
[04:24] <hunesco> and i like know how download rtmp files
[04:24] <hunesco> streaming files
[04:24] <hunesco> maybe command line or program
[04:25] <SchrodingersScat> !info rtmpdump | hunesco
[04:25] <hunesco> Internet Download Manager get this files in windows, but i have no win in ubuntu by wine
[04:25] <SchrodingersScat> hunesco: but mileage may vary
[04:25] <K1rk> hunesco: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1024632/rtmp-is-there-such-a-linux-command-line-tool
[04:26] <hunesco> i try rtmpdump, but i dont know make the magic begins
[04:26] <hunesco> :(
[04:26] <SchrodingersScat> that mplayer way is new to me, might be worth a try
[04:27] <deddokatana> https://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_command-line_help
[04:27] <deddokatana> worth a look..
[04:28] <hunesco> hm
[04:28] <hunesco> rtmpdump -r rtmplink -o /home
[04:28] <hunesco> returns >
[04:28] <hunesco> INFO: Connected...
[04:28] <hunesco> -o: command not found
[04:28] <hunesco> root@ns308459:~# ERROR: Closing connection: NetStream.Failed
[04:37] <russ5811> can anyone help me setup my 2nd HDD to auto mount at start? Having trouble with fstab
[04:38] <K1rk> russ5811: Sure fstab is not too bad
[04:38] <K1rk> russ5811: What is the dev path to the new drive?
[04:38] <K1rk> (eg. /dev/sdX#)
[04:38] <russ5811> one sec kirk
[04:39] <russ5811> dev/sdb
[04:39] <K1rk> What partition number on sdb?
[04:39] <russ5811> sorry dev/sdb1
[04:39] <K1rk> ok
[04:39] <K1rk> So you should be able to mount like
[04:39] <K1rk> /dev/sdb1    /path/to/mountpoint    auto     errors=remount-ro     1     1
[04:39] <K1rk> Then once you add that to fstab you can just run "mount /path/to/mountpoint" to test it.
[04:40] <K1rk> Mount will attempt to read the fstab
[04:40] <K1rk> If mount throws an error you can go from there.
[04:40] <russ5811> yes. i found something similar. can i show you what i did. b/c i get an error at boot
[04:40] <K1rk> sure
[04:40] <Ghost1227> Yay! Just published my first indicator applet
[04:41] <K1rk> :)
[04:42] <russ5811> K1rk, did i do the pm correctly?
[04:42] <Ghost1227> Ironically, writing the applet was the easy part... packaging it was the hard part >_<
[04:43] <K1rk> russ5811: yeah
[04:45] <raghumdani> internet works fine in ubuntu but not in windows... any suggestions?
[04:48] <meganerd> don't use Windows
[04:49] <meganerd> raghumdani: there are any number of things that could be wrong, might want to ask around in a Windows channel
[04:51] <meganerd> anyone here tried standing up a MAAS network fromthe 14.4 install?
[04:55] <SecretFire> I installed a new internal sata drive, and now grub won't load anymore i have to press f12 to boot from my other hard drive, how do I fix this?
[04:58] <russ5811> anyone available for some fstab auto mount help
[05:00] <meganerd> sure
[05:01] <Basketball> is anyone here good with rtcwake and crontab
[05:03] <russ5811> can anyone help with an fstab problem
[05:04] <clumsy_bot> SecretFire, You installed a new drive and it just refused to boot after that?
[05:04] <SecretFire> clumsy_bot, no it boots when i go to the bios boot menu but grub should come up without me having to do that, i don't think it is listed in fstab
[05:05] <clumsy_bot> SecretFire, Hmm, that's a little beyond my expertise.
[05:05] <denn> hi
[05:05] <meganerd> SecretFire: I would look at the disk boot order in your bios
[05:06] <meganerd> SecretFire: also, sudo update-grub might help.
[05:06] <SecretFire> meganerd : thats a good idea
[05:06] <denn> just intalled kubuntu 14.05
[05:06] <clumsy_bot> SecretFire, If I had problems with GRUB, I'd always assume that something happened to the partition or where GRUB was loaded. If it's just a matter of it not seeing your drive, update-grub should help.
[05:06] <clumsy_bot> I had my fair share of GRUB problems, but it was mostly my own carelessness and removing GRUB hastily.
[05:06] <denn> I am new to linux
[05:07] <clumsy_bot> denn, Do you need help with something in particular?
[05:07] <denn> just looking for tips on using it?
[05:08] <clumsy_bot> denn, Well I'm not exactly very experienced myself. I just jumped ship 2 ~ 3 months ago.
[05:08] <denn> tired of windows virus's
[05:08] <clumsy_bot> denn, I hope you've got lots of spare time and a keen sense of interest in reading documentation. That's where you'll find what you need the most.
[05:08] <clumsy_bot> denn, If you are interested in learning the ins-and-outs of Linux, there's a course of EdX by the Linux Foundation.
[05:09] <russ5811> meganerd, i've added the following to my fstab /dev/sdb1 /plex/russ5811/HDD auto errors=remount-ro 1 1 then i unmounted, mounted, then i get a message saying ./plex/russ5811/HDD does not exist
[05:09] <denn> well I am somewhat familiar with linux command line and terminal
[05:09] <clumsy_bot> denn, LFS101x Introduction to Linux is the name of the course.
[05:09] <denn> as I run 2 vps servers on linux
[05:10] <clumsy_bot> denn, Well then perhaps you could read up on just the package manager syntax and how to upkeep the system. It shouldn't be hard for Ubuntu.
[05:11] <denn> jut not sure on the desktop side of linux
[05:11] <clumsy_bot> denn, I spent the last months distro-hopping. I went from Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Manjaro, and back to Ubuntu.
[05:11] <clumsy_bot> denn, There's not much difference I believe. Since you're using Ubuntu and not some rolling-release like Arch or Debian Unstable, the risks of the system breaking a minimal.
[05:12] <clumsy_bot> denn, Perhaps if you're interested in installing proprietary drivers, you'd have to type a few commands to replace xorg.conf. Other than that, I think what you got from the VPS servers should be enough.
[05:12] <denn> ok i will play around and get my drivers installed
[05:14] <clumsy_bot> denn, You've always got the forums and Google by your side.
[05:14] <samthewildone> I have a problem with playing dvds on my laptop. When I play the same movie on my desktop it works
[05:14] <clumsy_bot> denn, Have fun, and good luck.
[05:14] <denn> i was hoping kubuntu had a similar start menu system to windows
[05:14] <meganerd> russ5811: I would base it on the UUID instead
[05:14] <denn> ok thank
[05:14] <meganerd> russ5811: ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[05:14] <clumsy_bot> denn, I believe you should look into System settings. But if you really wanted an experience similar to Windows, perhaps take a look at Zorin OS.
[05:14] <meganerd> russ5811:  then in the fstab start with UUID=<UUID>
[05:15] <lrcaballero> denn: try Lubuntu
[05:15] <clumsy_bot> denn, http://zorin-os.com/
[05:15] <meganerd> russ5811: that way it will work even if the drives are re-ordered or plugged in later
[05:15] <denn> i jut put zorin on my desktop a a dual boot to win 7
[05:15] <clumsy_bot> denn, Oh, how was it? You didn't like it?
[05:15] <lrcaballero> denn: or install cinnamon DE
[05:15] <meganerd> russ5811: though that error is stating that the mount point does not exist
[05:16] <clumsy_bot> denn, Linux Mint would be up your alley if you wanted Cinnamon DE.
[05:16] <denn> i love it, im testing other linux version out on my laptop
[05:16] <russ5811> meganerd, i've been on ubuntu for a few years, but am new to this level of editing. would you mind telling me the lines i need to put in fstab? i think you've given me the code to find the uuid, but am not sure how to make it unique once that is found. am i making sense?
[05:16] <Andrea> hola
[05:17] <lrcaballero> Hola Andrea
[05:17] <meganerd> russ5811: when you look in the /dev/disk/by-uuid directory, you will see a sym-link to the physical device, copy the name of that symlink (looks like hex with dashes), then in the fstab instead of specifying the device name, use the uuid, starting with UUID=
[05:17] <denn> ubuntu 12.04 i what i run my VP' on and I added desktop and love that
[05:18] <meganerd> russ5811: your root is probably setup this way already
[05:18] <clumsy_bot> denn, Glad to hear you're enjoying your experience.
[05:18] <denn> sorry vps*
[05:18] <denn> thanks
[05:18] <russ5811> meganerd, so i should just copy the lines used for root but change the uuid...correct?
[05:19] <denn> I want to get to the point where I can dump windows
[05:19] <meganerd> russ5811: yup, and the mount point as well
[05:20] <denn> but I will go through the settings on kubuntu and ee what I can do
[05:20] <clumsy_bot> denn, Depends on what you require from Windows.
[05:20] <clumsy_bot> denn, Anything in particular? Work applications and so on?
[05:21] <denn> not alot but there are a few programs I still need, I ue wine and run some stuff from windows.
[05:22] <clumsy_bot> denn, Well if speed isn't much of a concern, I've heard that some people use a VirtualBox on their *nix machines.
[05:22] <denn> mostly Games now, I almost have halo working, I need video driver lol
[05:22] <clumsy_bot> denn, I'm just a student, so I can get by with a lot of the 'free/libre' applications.
[05:22] <samthewildone> um can someone help me ?
[05:22] <clumsy_bot> denn, Are you running an AMD or nVidia card on your system?
[05:22] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, What's up?
[05:23] <samthewildone> clumsy_bot, dvd on laptop not playing dvds
[05:23] <denn> tyes AMD CPU and nvida video
[05:23] <samthewildone> put in the same dvd into my desktop and works
[05:23] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, Have you tried installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[05:23] <samthewildone> I tried everything
[05:23] <samthewildone> went to google and still nothing
[05:23] <samthewildone> install ibdvdcss 4... this and that
[05:23] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[05:24] <samthewildone> yes'\
[05:24] <clumsy_bot> denn, nVidia's proprietary drivers are nice, much nicer than the AMD ones I get...
[05:24] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, Well, you could always install VLC Player?
[05:24] <samthewildone> did that
[05:24] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, Still doesn't work?
[05:24] <samthewildone> the video seems like it loads then dosn't
[05:24] <samthewildone> nope
[05:25] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, The desktop is running Windows or Ubuntu?
[05:25] <denn> I will try to find the video drivers and install them
[05:25] <samthewildone> ubuntu
[05:26] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, And this machine you're trying to setup with is a laptop?
[05:26] <samthewildone> yes
[05:26] <samthewildone> Both using the same ubuntu
[05:26] <samthewildone> both updated
[05:26] <samthewildone> both using the same dvd
[05:26] <denn> then I will keep windows on dualboot for a bit to make sure it all works
[05:26] <samthewildone> ...
[05:27] <samthewildone> my desktop works with the dvd
[05:27] <clumsy_bot> denn, Yea that would be best if you've got critical applications you need access to.
[05:27] <Karmahacker> Hi all !  Anyone can suggest something like "Firemin" but  for linux?  Thank you
[05:27] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, Well it's most likely a codec problem. My Google search turns up for a package called 'libdvdread4'
[05:27] <denn> biggest thing is getting all my photos and such all backed up.
[05:28] <denn> hate to lose thoe
[05:28] <clumsy_bot> denn, Backup utilities for Windows are quite sketchy at best. The good ones are all commercial software.
[05:29] <interweb> Hi , I want to format my external hard drive from exFAT to FAT32 and I've looked at Ubuntu 14.04 Disks software and there is an option named "Compatable with all devices (FAT)" Does it format to FAT32 or other FAT versions ?
[05:29] <clumsy_bot> interweb, FAT32 most likely.
[05:29] <denn> yep luckily I keep organized folders of important items
[05:29] <finrod> I have an old desktop PC with an AMD Athlon 64 processor and a 466 GiB Maxtor hard drive, running Xubuntu.  I've been doing some research to figure out the best software to monitor the health of my PC
[05:29] <interweb> clumsy_bot, Are you sure ? because a full slow format takes me 14 hours :)
[05:29] <denn> tthanks for the chat good to meet you gtg cya
[05:30] <Beldar> interweb, man parted
[05:30] <clumsy_bot> denn, No probs.
[05:30] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Isn't there an option for quick-format?
[05:30] <clumsy_bot> interweb, I use Gparted for all my partitioning needs.
[05:30] <clumsy_bot> samthewildone, Well, I'm sorry I can't be of much help. Theoretically with the codecs installed, it should work.
[05:30] <finrod> I cam to the conclusion that PSensor looks the best, but I have not figured out how to install APM and ACPI using the Ubuntu Software Centre and the Synaptic Package Manager
[05:30] <Beldar> interweb, If you like a gui install gparted.
[05:30] <interweb> clumsy_bot, Yes , but I've got some bad sectors ...
[05:31] <clumsy_bot> interweb, You're wiping out the whole drive right?
[05:31] <russ5811> meganerd, as soon as i boot, i can see the hdd in my file explorer, it shows as automount in "Disks" however, plex can't see it until i click on it on the left menu of file explorer and the eject icon shows up next to it. i must be missing something.
[05:31] <interweb> clumsy_bot, yes
[05:31] <clumsy_bot> interweb, I suppose you could create a whole new partition table. MSDOS or something.
[05:32] <interweb> clumsy_bot, how  ?
[05:32] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Get Gparted first if you're new to partitioning. Even I'm afraid of using the command-line tools.
[05:33] <finrod> APM and ACPI look useful for monitoring temperatures and my PC and keyboard batteries, but I can't install them from Ubuntu Software Centre, and Synaptic Package Manager says one of them is only good for laptop PCs
[05:33] <interweb> clumsy_bot, I have it , But can'
[05:33] <interweb> can
[05:33] <interweb> can't find any extended formatting in it
[05:33] <clumsy_bot> interweb, There isn't any?
[05:33] <meganerd> russ5811: so it not mounted when you boot?
[05:34] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Odd. Let me pull up Gparted on my side.
[05:34] <russ5811> no
[05:34] <meganerd> russ5811: It should be listed when you do a "df -Th " from the command line
[05:34] <Beldar> interweb, http://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual
[05:34] <russ5811> meganerd: it's there
[05:35] <meganerd> russ5811: after a clean boot?
[05:35] <phuh> I've only used Ubuntu as my server OS but people tell me debian is more solid than ubuntu for production server... Do you guys agree? What makes you use ubuntu over debian?
[05:35] <russ5811> i'll reboot, and let you know.
[05:35] <clumsy_bot> interweb, It's under Device
[05:35] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Device > Create Partition Table...
[05:35] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Make sure you select the right disk.
[05:36] <russ5811> meganerd: i'll reboot and let you know.
[05:36] <clumsy_bot> phuh, It's mostly because Debian allows you to have a more minimal install.
[05:37] <clumsy_bot> phuh, And mostly because Debian has got a reputation for being really stable. Ubuntu is derived from Debian's Unstable branch.
[05:37] <cfhowlett> phuh, maybe you'd like to speak to #ubuntu-server about this
[05:38] <phuh> clumsy_bot: doesn't that worry you that it's based on unstable one?
[05:38] <russ5811> meganerd: did a clean boot. it'
[05:38] <russ5811> s not there
[05:38] <clumsy_bot> phuh, It does actually. But I don't run servers for a job, I just like to tinker around. However, my experiences with Debian are mostly that it leaves the choice up to you, the user.
[05:39] <Basketball> is anyone here good with rtcwake and crontab
[05:39] <meganerd> russ5811: what does the fstab line look like?
[05:40] <russ5811> meganerd: it's not there anymore??? i did gedit in sudo, i'll try again
[05:43] <interweb> clumsy_bot, Is there any command line way to format a hard drive with slow speed (full format) ?
[05:43] <russ5811> meganerd: UUID=0113ad2f-2f89-43c4-bf94-65a42d096b8c /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:43] <clumsy_bot> interweb, IIRC, yes. I'm not too fond of command-line, I'm still relatively new to Linux.
[05:44] <meganerd> russ5811: that is the root line
[05:44] <meganerd> russ5811: the "/" is where the mount point goes
[05:44] <russ5811> meganerd: it's a copy of the root line with the uuid switched out
[05:44] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Perhaps this would help. It's the Arch wiki, but it's general enough that it applies to most other Linux distros. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/partitioning
[05:45] <interweb> I've heard that fat32 has 32GB limit , but my drive came with msdos(Fat32) format . How is that possible ?
[05:45] <clumsy_bot> interweb, I don't know about that. How big is this hard drive?
[05:46] <interweb> clumsy_bot, 1TB
[05:46] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Whoa, that's not usually possible. The drive actually worked?
[05:46] <interweb> clumsy_bot, Yes ,it has came with fat32 (msdos) format
[05:47] <clumsy_bot> interweb, The only limits I know that FAT32 has is on file sizes of up to 4GB
[05:47] <clumsy_bot> interweb, Looks like your info is correct. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938432.aspx
[05:47] <russ5811> meganerd: it's a copy of the root line with the uuid switched out. should i add the mount point i want?
[05:48] <clumsy_bot> interweb, It seems that the limit only applies to Windows 2000 and beyond.
[05:48] <meganerd> russ5811: yes
[05:48] <clumsy_bot> interweb, If you're looking for a partitioning format that can be used in both Linux and Windows, NTFS should be fine. I regularly transfer files via NTFS partitions and they all seem to work fine.
[05:49] <meganerd> clumsy_bot: just slow
[05:50] <clumsy_bot> meganerd, Yes, that is true. It's not the actual copying that's slow, just the part where they try to finish off the last few bytes of the files.
[05:50] <interweb> clumsy_bot, Does Mac support NTFS ? I don't like to format it again :/
[05:50] <meganerd> clumsy_bot: no, the actual write is slower (fuse is not a high performance solution)
[05:51] <clumsy_bot> meganerd, I should go read up more of the topic then. Haha.
[05:51] <clumsy_bot> interweb, If the OSX system has fuse installed, it should read...
[05:51] <meganerd> clumsy_bot: for most people it doesn't matter :)
[05:52] <clumsy_bot> meganerd, Haha, well all that time spent waiting for copying could be used for something else. Like actually doing something for example. HAHAHA :)
[05:52] <russ5811> meganerd, that did it. Thank you. been working on this for hours. i appreciate the help
[05:52] <meganerd> clumsy_bot: I completely agree
[05:52] <meganerd> clumsy_bot: plus it bugs me on principle :)
[05:53] <finrod> should I install APM before I install ACPI for my desktop PC?
[05:54] <Dragin> How can I get a listing of channels that5 might include Ham Radio Deluxe help?
[05:55] <rww> ubottu: alis
[05:55] <Dragin> thank you
[05:56] <interweb> clumsy_bot, There is a default software comes with Ubuntu 14.04 named Disks , Which version of FAT does it format to ? It is just said FAT
[05:56] <GnomeD_> Guys ubuntu forums website on my computer is not opening rest all others websites open. Trying from 3 days. Can anyone help
[05:57] <tiresias> hello all
[05:57] <malkauns> anyone know how to get audacity to stop crashing on playback
[05:57] <malkauns> ?
[05:57]  * Dragin wavews
[05:57]  * Dragin wave also ;)
[05:57] <tiresias> the sound doesn't work under firefox on my laptop
[05:58] <tiresias> any idea for a diagnosis?
[05:58]  * Dragin waves even :P lol
[05:58] <Dragin> bigger hammer?
[06:00] <clumsy_bot> Internet crapped out on me.
[06:02] <cityturbo> can anyone walk me through the nvidia process? i have a gtx750ti
[06:02] <cityturbo> ive read about it and its over my head...
[06:04] <finrod> Is there a command to see if my desktop PC supports APM?
[06:07] <finrod> Or a terminal command used to see if I have ACPI devices in my computer?
[06:08] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, You should just try installing it via Additional Drivers.
[06:10] <cityturbo> can you point me in that direction?
[06:10] <cityturbo> i believe it comes up blank
[06:10] <cityturbo> i need the command to add them
[06:12] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, Huh?
[06:13] <cityturbo> sorry im very noob. i'll come back when i have more info on my sifde
[06:13] <cityturbo> side*
[06:13] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, Under Software & Updates is a tab called Additional Drivers.
[06:13] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, It should fetch the drivers you need and install it for you while making the necessary configurations to xorg.conf
[06:13] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, No command-line needed IIRC
[06:14] <cityturbo> sweet thats music to my ears
[06:14] <cfhowlett> malkauns, audacity does that way too often.  run it from terminal for the error messages and ask in the #audacity or #opensourcemusicians channel for support.
[06:15] <samthewildone> !offtopic
[06:16] <FredTom> hey all.. can anyone recommend a video editing tool for ubuntu.. i basically want to be able to open up videos, and cut sections out and export them as new videos
[06:16] <cfhowlett> FredTom, openshotg
[06:16] <cfhowlett> *openshot*
[06:16] <cityturbo> it says no additional drivers available, i think i need to give it more info
[06:17] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, Hmm, in that case.
[06:17] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, Have you checked the Ubuntu documentation?
[06:18] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo,https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:18] <cityturbo> im sorry its really hard for me to not just understand the documentation and the process i can google, its like... i don't know it enough to trust what im typing
[06:18] <cfhowlett> cityturbo, don't type.  copy and paste.
[06:18] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, Take a deep breath, relax. It's normal to eventually screw something up, I know I have a lot of times. It's a learning process.
[06:18] <cityturbo> ok i'll read, cheers
[06:19] <cityturbo> oh ive screwed it up 100x
[06:19] <cityturbo> it nearly have to re-load every time i reboot
[06:19] <clumsy_bot> cityturbo, Well make those times count and learn from them. Good luck.
[06:19] <cityturbo> thanks mate :)
[06:21] <Player_> Hi, just had a quick question: does ~/.bashrc need to be marked as an executable? (chmod +x)
[06:21] <FredTom> cfhowlett, awesomet thankyou
[06:21] <rww> Player_: no
[06:22] <cfhowlett> FredTom, happy2help.
[06:23] <Player_> rww, Thanks, same deal for ~/.profile?
[06:23] <rww> indeed
[06:26] <geirha> Player_: they never get executed, only sourced, and that only requires read access
[06:29] <Player_> geirha, Thanks for explaining and clearing that up, everything makes sense now.
[06:29] <GnomeD> Some websites are not opening in my computer while others open. Everything works fine in windows. Can anyone help me please?
[06:38] <Guest5843> hi!
[06:39] <Basketball> is anyone here good with rtcwake and crontab
[06:54] <schultza> im looking for /etc/ssl/CA.pl .. apprently it's not in the openssl package anymore in 14.04 server. is it somewhere else?
[06:56] <jatt> schultza: $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl
[06:56] <jatt> openssl: /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl
[06:56] <schultza> ah, ok. thank you
[06:58] <kafee651> exit
[06:58] <kafee651> exit
[06:58] <kafee651> exit
[06:58] <kafee651> eixt
[06:58] <kafee651> exit
[06:58] <kafee651> eixt
[06:58] <unopaste> kafee651 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[07:01] <helmut_> hi
[07:01] <interweb> Is formatting a hard drive (HDD) for a several times bad for it (Maybe break it or may cause bad sectors ?)
[07:01] <geirha> You can also install apt-file and search for files installed by packages not currently installed.  apt-file search CA.pl
[07:02] <trijntje> interweb: no, it should be fine. But why would you do that?
[07:02] <interweb> trijntje, I were trying different file systems :/ Still don't know which is the best for an external hard drive .
[07:04] <interweb> When I want to a new partition on an external hard drive should I choose extended ?
[07:05] <geirha> interweb: normally formatting only requires writing a few kilobytes, that is unless you want to also wipe the data between each formatting, which takes much longer.
[07:06] <trijntje> interweb: no, extended only makes sense if you want more then 4 partitions on the external drive
[07:06] <trijntje> I think the guidelines are : fat32 if you want to use it on windwos, linux and mac, NTFS if you want linux and windows, ext4 if you only want linux
[07:07] <trijntje> fat should be read by anything, even things like smart tv etc
[07:09] <interweb> trijntje, I want to use use FAT32 but I can not stand with its 4 GB file size limitation . Is there any fix or something for it ?
[07:10] <trijntje> I dont think so, thats one of the limitations of fat
[07:10] <trijntje> what do you want to use the external harddisk for?
[07:11] <geirha> exFAT (aka FAT64) will allow bigger files, but it's not ready yet as far as I know.
[07:11] <interweb> trijntje, I want to keep some Videos and Audios on it and want to use it on Linux and Mac .
[07:12] <trijntje> interweb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1824037
[07:12] <interweb> geirha, I've tried exFAT but its driver on Ubuntu (fuse-exfat) had some problems :/
[07:13] <trijntje> ow that forum post is really old, sorry
[07:13] <cynicallemon> interweb: then ext4 will do for linux/mac
[07:14] <cynicallemon> interweb: but you will need OSXFuse
[07:16] <interweb> cynicallemon, I like it more if it was supported out of box
[07:16] <cynicallemon> interweb: then put linux on your mac :)
[07:17] <interweb> cynicallemon, LOL
[07:17] <interweb> cynicallemon, I'm not linus :))
[07:17] <geirha> there's HFS plus, but that's not installed by default in Ubuntu (though available through apt)
[07:18] <interweb> geirha, Does FAT64 works on TVs too ?
[07:18] <cynicallemon> interweb: http://osxdaily.com/2014/03/20/mount-ext-linux-file-system-mac/ - if youre interested
[07:19] <interweb> geirha, My TV supports FAT32 What about FAT64(exfat)
[07:19] <finrod> I am having some trouble uninstalling Psensor
[07:19] <cynicallemon> interweb: most will support fat32
[07:20] <FredTom> https://answers.launchpad.net/openshot/+faq/1040  << i'm trying to get x264 to work
[07:20] <FredTom> what's synaptic package manager?
[07:20] <geirha> interweb: Unlikely, FAT64 isn't even finished yet, afaik. Probably another 10 years before it's become common
[07:20] <finrod> I just installed PSensor, and discovered after installing it that I should have installed lm-sensors first
[07:21] <finrod> When I installed PSensor, there were no Optional Add-ons listed
[07:21] <interweb> geirha, What do you mean by it is not finished ?
[07:21] <cynicallemon> interweb most modern LCD TV's have a network port too so a samba server on the network is very useful or a dlna server
[07:22] <finrod> but after installation, I checked the ubuntu software Centre, and there is an optional add-on for Hard drive temp
[07:22] <finrod> which I want
[07:23] <finrod> so my problem is, if I uninstall Psensor, should I keep that optional add-on checkmarked or not?
[07:24] <finrod> If it is checkmarked, I assume it should be installed, but lm-sensors was never installed, so I am guessing that's why that optional add-on is not working, even though it may be installed
[07:27] <interweb> is there any difference between these file system's speed of writing and reading ?
[07:28] <GnomeD> Some websites are not opening in ubuntu while they open i Windows. Can anyone help?
[07:28] <interweb> GnomeD, Check your DNS settings
[07:29] <GnomeD> interweb,  how? can u guide plz?
[07:29] <interweb> cynicallemon, trijntje , is there any difference between these file system's speed of writing and reading ?
[07:29] <interweb> GnomeD, Do you use unity ?
[07:30] <GnomeD> interweb,  Gnome shell in 14.04
[07:30] <interweb> GnomeD, Sorry I'm not familiar with Gnome Shell .
[07:30] <GnomeD> interweb,  thanks for help
[07:32] <shailesh> Hello there
[07:32] <shailesh> I  need help in dignosing my laptop's wireless card issues
[07:33] <shailesh> wirelss card is detected sometimes and sometimes not
[07:33] <shailesh> and i am not sure why
[07:37] <loa> Hello, autoupdater in my system sometimes show error "The cache has no package wine1.7-i386"
[07:38] <loa> but if i do upgrade by hands, simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:38] <loa> all working good and that problem dissapear.
[07:43] <pavillon> qbittorrent scarica ma non fa la ricerca
[07:44] <geirha> interweb: Ah nevermind, I was wrong about that. Seems it has been around for a long while now, but microsoft will not disclose the full specs, so adopting it requires getting a licence from microsoft. Not everyone will bother with that.
[07:44] <interweb> geirha, Are you talking about NTFS or Fat ?
[07:45] <geirha> exFAT aka FAT64
[07:47] <interweb> geirha, Yes , I've found some packages for linux exfat-fuse and exfat-utils but they had some bugs and when copying some files they were using more processor than FAT32 I've used .
[07:47] <geirha> If it had been open like FAT32, I bet it would be supported by everything but toasters
[07:48] <interweb> geirha, :)
[07:51] <interweb> geirha, Is btrfs stable enough ?
[07:52] <GnomeD> interweb,  I tried changing DNS settings and it worked for me. I really appreciate your help
[07:52] <geirha> interweb: No idea
[07:53] <interweb> GnomeD, Your welcome.
[07:54] <GnomeD> My display resolution changes automaticall after system restart. I am using full HD monitor but due to some reason, I want to change lower resolution. When changed from system settings, lower resolution remains only for a session. After restart, it again changes to full HD. Can anyone help
[07:55] <cmishra> how to check if usb flash frive is detected?
[07:55] <cmishra> lsusb shows the device
[07:56] <cmishra> but fdisk doesnt
[07:56] <finrod> I am having trouble installing lm-sensors, anyone familiar with it?
[07:57] <geirha> cmishra: does dmesg mention anything about it?
[07:57] <finrod> I am instaling it onto an HP dx5150 SFF desktop PC
[07:58] <GnomeD> finrod,  I have used lm-sensors in past. May I help? (Although I m not a geek)
[07:58] <cmishra> yes it is detecting.. but not mounting
[07:58] <cmishra> using xfce
[07:58] <finrod>  it's warning me that probing the I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware is risky
[07:59] <finrod> monitoring devices is risky, though works reasonably well on most systems. What about my HP desktop PC mentioned above? Is it safe for that system?
[07:59] <finrod> for connected hardware monitoring devices is risky
[08:00] <geirha> cmishra: What letter does it get? /dev/sdb ?  sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb  outputs nothing?
[08:01] <finrod> When lm-sensors says "connected hardware", do they mean anything outside of the fans, hard drives and CPU inside the case?
[08:01] <cmishra> it outputs no suck file or directory
[08:01] <finrod> Or does lm-sensors mean the hardware connected to the motherboard inside the computer case?
[08:02] <geirha> cmishra: That is odd
[08:02] <dreamon> Is it possible to stream desktop view to a samsung TV without using VGA/HDMI, LAN would be fine?
[08:03] <cmishra> let me post the output
[08:04] <finrod> GnomeD, did you probe your I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware, when you installed lm-sensors?
[08:04] <cmishra> pastebin.com/4xPiQZTe
[08:05] <malkauns> anyone know how to get audacity to stop crashing on playback?
[08:06] <geirha> cmishra: So dmesg looks promising, but for some reason udev appears to fail at creating a device node (/dev/sdb) for it
[08:06] <geirha> or maybe double check that you didn't make a typo earlier
[08:07] <finrod> Is it worth the risk to probe my I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware?
[08:07] <cmishra> so what to do now?
[08:09] <geirha> cmishra: I guess figure out why udevd failed to create a device node for it, but don't know where to start
[08:11] <cmishra> okay ..
[08:25] <leyla> y
[08:26] <Guest26961> ok
[08:31] <Name141> Does Xubuntu and Lubuntu now have LTS releases, or are they only supported with common releases ?
[08:31] <Name141> Like a few years ago.
[08:31] <kristenbb> i have two ubuntus 14.04 on the same computer, one with swap, the other without. is it possible to set the swap of the second one to the same partition as the first, and if so, how ?
[08:31] <Name141> (Well when Lubuntu wasn't official)
[08:32] <clumsy_bot> Name141, They should have LTS releases IIRC.
[08:32] <Name141> clumsy_bot: I suppose Lubuntu would probably be the most lightweight for older machines replacing XP?
[08:33] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Yes, it would be the most lightweight desktop environment.
[08:33] <clumsy_bot> Name141, I think pure window managers may be even lighter than LXDE.
[08:33] <Name141> clumsy_bot: well we don't want to get "too low".
[08:33] <Name141> as in not looking worth anything
[08:34] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Between Xfce and LXDE, I feel they're about the same. Although Xfce is slightly heavier (only by 20MB diff.), it's older and by that virtue is more mature.
[08:34] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Xfce therefore has more themes and support for GTK and other things.
[08:35] <clumsy_bot> Name141, LXDE has been merged with the Razor-Qt project to form LXQt if I'm not mistaken.
[08:35] <Name141> clumsy_bot: Any idea if 4670 support came back with ATi/AMD drivers after the latest few releases ?
[08:35] <Name141> as in not the free driver
[08:35] <clumsy_bot> Name141, You're talking about the fglrx drivers>
[08:35] <clumsy_bot> ?
[08:35] <Name141> clumsy_bot: I suppose so
[08:35] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Last I heard, they dropped support for that and it's now under legacy.
[08:36] <Name141> I figure it wont be any good for low level games then to run the linux versions of games ?
[08:36] <Name141> (From steam)
[08:36] <clumsy_bot> Name141, If you really have to get it, I think Debian has some packages around. Not too sure whether they're usable with the newer kernel versions.
[08:36] <kristenbb> i have two ubuntus 14.04 on the same computer, one with swap, the other without. is it possible to set the swap of the second one to the same partition as the first, and if so, how ?
[08:36] <clumsy_bot> Name141, I'm running a HD5850 on free drivers, it seems to work well enough.
[08:36] <Name141> E2160  + 4670 got me up to GTA5
[08:36] <Name141> err GTA4
[08:37] <clumsy_bot> Name141, GTA4 is apparently running faster on Linux than on Windows.
[08:37] <Name141> clumsy_bot: That isn't hard to believe.
[08:37] <Name141> Max Payne 3 was the only decent game, if you don't count STILL LOADING
[08:38] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Yea, well it's surprising to me. Considering it was running through wine. Not exactly native.
[08:38] <Name141> but back on topic
[08:38] <clumsy_bot> Name141, The current fglrx release (14.1) isn't exactly stable with the newer kernels thanks to experimental Wayland being introduced.
[08:38] <clumsy_bot> Name141, This was true for Fedora, but I'm not sure about Ubuntu.
[08:38] <Name141> clumsy_bot: I might swap ubuntu for mint.. but they probably end up being close to the same.
[08:39] <clumsy_bot> Name141, I only use the fglrx drivers on Debian stable for my laptop because it's got an AMD Trinity platform.
[08:39] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Yea. I tend to like to stay close to mainstream releases like
[08:39] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora etc.
[08:40] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Distros like Mint tend to branch out too much and too far from the original vein of development.
[08:40] <Name141> after Fedora 16, I started having major issues and swapped to CentOS before I swapped back to be able to run Spotify without hassle.
[08:40] <clumsy_bot> Name141, If you're wondering whether the DE would improve performance, Phoronix doesn't seem to suggest that be the case.
[08:41] <cmishra> clumsy_bot: which de?
[08:41] <Name141> DE?
[08:41] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Even this local guy PenguinRecording (I'm Malaysian) ran a test for L4D2 and found not much differences between DEs
[08:41] <cmishra> desktop environment
[08:41] <Name141> clumsy_bot: I was more talking about AMD/ATi drivers vs free ones
[08:42] <clumsy_bot> Name141, General consensus is that if performance is satisfactory, stick with the free ones.
[08:42] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Fglrx drivers come up with more problems than benefits.
[08:42] <clumsy_bot> cmishra, He did a comparison between GNOME and Xfce IIRC
[08:42] <Name141> clumsy_bot: OK. I might try a few just to keep it around as a backup gaming device.
[08:42] <Name141> Probably wont be worth more than Source agmes
[08:42] <Name141> games
[08:43] <clumsy_bot> cmishra, If you're interested, here's the comparison in performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WqMr_JQono
[08:44] <kristenbb> can someone please help me regarding my swap question?
[08:44] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Source games should be fine. I'm really hoping AMD just drops fglrx and focus on helping the free drivers. It would alleviate the problems with support and coding costs since they only need focus on one instead of two.
[08:44] <Name141> clumsy_bot: Maybe SteamOS will take off......like half life 3...
[08:44] <Name141> And help get gaming on linux
[08:44] <clumsy_bot> Name141, I've heard that SteamOS may not be as big of a benefit to Linux gaming as we once thought.
[08:45] <clumsy_bot> Name141, Seems like most manufacturers will end up just making drivers specifically for SteamOS and ignoring the rest.
[08:45] <clumsy_bot> Name141, I'm not too familiar with the discussion about that. r/linux_gaming seems to be having quite some discussion about it though.
[08:46] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, Two installation on diff hard drives and one swap partition on one drive? Is that it?
[08:46] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: no it's all on the same disk
[08:46] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, I suppose you'd have to specify on both installations to use that particular swap partition.
[08:47] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: on one it's set up correctly, on the other it's not. so how to do that ?
[08:47] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, I'm not too sure about that. Let me Google it up and see if I can find anything for you.
[08:48] <codehacker> m
[08:48] <cmishra> i guess if you try setting up for the other it will overwrite the first installations setup for swap
[08:49] <kristenbb> cmishra: do you mean that it's not possible to have two ubuntus using the same swap partition ? or that it's possible, but not advised?
[08:49] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, A few of my searches turned up
[08:50] <cmishra> i guess its not possible.. i dont know.. i used to quadboot.. but ubuntu couldnt use the swap once it was used for bio-linux
[08:50] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, It seems that it's alright to have shared swap partitions because they'd flush it out after each shutdown, but problems may come in if there's hibernation involved.
[08:51] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: why would hibernation cause problems?
[08:51] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, Hibernation involves placing what was in RAM into the swap file, basically storing to disk.
[08:51] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, If you boot up and GRUB pops up and you select the wrong installation, the boot-up will crash.
[08:53] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: so you mean hibernate and then halt and boot, as opposed to hibernate and just resume from hibernate ?
[08:53] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: i'm a bit confused as to how you can boot up after an hibernation
[08:53] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, I'm not too sure how it works, I'm merely giving you the info I've sort of picked up from some preliminary searching on Google.
[08:54] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: but as a general rule, is it common to boot up after an hibernation ?
[08:54] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, Yes that's how most distros would be configured.
[08:55] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, The main side effect is that data could be lost if somehow you forget and bootup the other installation instead of the one that was hibernated.
[08:55] <bekks> kristenbb: thats how hibernation works.
[08:56] <kristenbb> bekks: then i think i'm confusing hibernation with something else. how is it called when you close the laptop screen and the computer goes in a deep sleep ?
[08:56] <bekks> kristenbb: standby?
[08:57] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, http://askubuntu.com/questions/3369/what-is-the-difference-between-hibernate-and-suspend
[08:57] <kristenbb> bekks: no idea, i'm just asking.  but when i close the laptop screen, the computer almost shuts down, using almost no energy at all, and then i can wake him up by pressing the power button, which makes it go back to the state it was
[08:57] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, They list out the differences between all the different power states.
[08:58] <bekks> kristenbb: Thats called "standby".
[08:58] <clumsy_bot> I suggest perhaps checking out the link I sent.
[08:58] <clumsy_bot> Could help clarify a few confusions.
[08:59] <Name141> I wonder if I should install the 64 bit version on the 2GB DDR2 system?
[08:59] <Name141> I guess it wont hurt
[08:59] <kristenbb> i see, thanks. so as it turns out, i'm not using hibernate really often, so that won't be a problem for me. so going back to the main question, how can I set my two ubuntus to be using the same swap partition
[08:59] <clumsy_bot> Name141, If your processor supports it, why not?
[08:59] <Name141> clumsy_bot: 64bit linux isn't like 64 bit Windows ?
[09:00] <Name141> Using all it can ?
[09:00] <clumsy_bot> kristenbb, That, my friend, is something that I cannot help you with. Sorry :/
[09:00] <Name141> The machine ran Windows 7 64 bit like junk, 32 bit ran fine
[09:00] <clumsy_bot> Name141, I think even for x64 Windows, you can install it even with less than 4GB of RAM
[09:00] <kristenbb> clumsy_bot: ok no problem, maybe someone else can ? (bekks ?)
[09:00] <clumsy_bot> Name141, It's just that x64 is more efficient with 4GB or more.
[09:00] <Name141> Oh well, Installing 64 bit
[09:01] <clumsy_bot> Name141, You are using something lightweight yes? Shouldn't make much difference.
[09:01] <Blenda> hi all, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, should i do something particular with my sound drivers or other as i'm doing music? I have sound glitches in Bitwig, asked on their chan, but no answers. I use the internal soundcard, not the best but works fluently in Win. I hate rebooting in Win lol
[09:01] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, http://ubuntustudio.org/
[09:02] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, There's a version of Ubuntu specifically tailored for audio production etc.
[09:02] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Any art type production basically.
[09:02] <ChaosBringer> hi all, i'm having this issue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1121588 but on ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[09:03] <Blenda> hmmm, the pb is i can't go into a new install for now, i've splitted my only actual Hd, and no more space
[09:03] <Blenda> clumsy_bot
[09:04] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Okay, I see. Have you tried perhaps asking on the Ubuntu forums?
[09:04] <tortib> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8195268/
[09:04] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Sound glitches would have to be under the domain of PulseAudio and ALSA since those two are the main things handling audio.
[09:04] <Blenda> no... hmm i like to ask here
[09:04] <Blenda> Yes it's Alsa
[09:05] <Blenda> clumsy_bot: let say i want to check if my drivers are the newest, how to do ?
[09:05] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Really? I thought Ubuntu ran it's sound through ALSA and then PulseAudio.
[09:06] <Blenda> i mean in Bitwig
[09:06] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Check for the latest version of your sound drivers or Bitwig?
[09:06] <Blenda> yep plz
[09:06] <Henk_> Does anybody have a good tutorial on installing ubuntu next to windows 8 in a dual boot setup? Last time I tried windows 8 and ubuntu both didn't boot
[09:06] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:06] <Blenda> trying
[09:07] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, That should refresh the cache list and check for any updates for all your software.
[09:08] <Blenda> clumsy_bot, i've typed that in one line, is it the way? with the &&?
[09:08] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Yep.
[09:08] <Blenda> ok thx
[09:09] <bekks> kristenbb: Can you please repeat your problem?
[09:09] <Blenda> i already updated it daily, but it's been one month i didn't, so i doubt this is the pb, but you're right, this is the firs tthing to check
[09:09] <Blenda> lumsy_bot
[09:09] <Blenda> arf
[09:11] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Yep.
[09:11] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, I'm checking out the forums for Bitwig. The client seems to be quite recent for Linux. Is that correct?
[09:12] <Blenda> clumsy_bot client?
[09:12] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Bitwig is quite a recent development in Linux right?
[09:12] <Blenda> yep
[09:12] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, A lot of forum posts saying it's buggy as hell.
[09:13] <Blenda> haaaa, i should go check myself
[09:14] <Blenda> clumsy_bot in fact, as i knew the difference between Ubuntu and Studio, i thought i just had to enhance some sound driver first before all
[09:14] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, "i thought i just had to enhance some sound driver first before all" What do you mean by that?
[09:14] <Blenda> tweak a little to have better sound perf
[09:15] <Blenda> like i did with nvdia drivers
[09:15] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Well I suppose you'd have to read the documentation to figure that out...
[09:16] <popey> Blenda: you using jack?
[09:16] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, On second thought, maybe you should try using PulseAudio in Bitwig
[09:17] <Blenda> no Jack, no Pulse audio (or i don't know)
[09:17] <Blenda> i will google about them
[09:17] <popey> bitwig recommends using jack
[09:17] <popey> I have a friend who does a bit of audio work, and always uses jack
[09:17] <Blenda> thx for the directions, i'm going to dig that
[09:17] <clumsy_bot> popey, Blenda I'll let you two sort it out. I'm not much of an audio guy. Hope I was of some help Blenda.
[09:18] <Blenda> answered!
[09:18] <Blenda> Thanks :)
[09:18] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, Glad to help :D
[09:18] <hanshenrik> "grub failed to install on root device, and that is all i will tell you. i will not even give you a hint as to why.", than you very much ubuntu installer piece of shit
[09:18] <Blenda> clumsy_bot see ya
[09:18] <popey> hanshenrik: here for help or just to rant?
[09:18] <hanshenrik> popey, if my computer fail this reboot, ill need help
[09:18] <clumsy_bot> Blenda, See ya.
[09:18] <hanshenrik> probably
[09:19] <hanshenrik> was running a normal apt-get upgrade
[09:19] <hanshenrik> and i guess there was a update to grub
[09:19] <popey> hanshenrik: what version of ubuntu?
[09:19] <hanshenrik> 1404
[09:19] <clumsy_bot> hanshenrik, You could try Grub-rescue
[09:20] <popey> hanshenrik: do you have a separate boot partition?
[09:20] <popey> hanshenrik: if so, is it full?
[09:20] <clumsy_bot> hanshenrik, Sorry, it's Boot-repair.
[09:20] <hanshenrik> no, just 1 partition, and no, its not full
[09:20] <popey> (this can happen if you use full disk encryption and/or lvm)
[09:20] <hanshenrik> huh, booted without problems
[09:20] <popey> hanshenrik: i would recommend "apt-get dist-upgrade" over "apt-get upgrade"
[09:20] <clumsy_bot> popey, Isn't dist-upgrade for moving between releases?
[09:21] <hanshenrik> popey, i don't want dist-upgrade, i want to stay on 1404
[09:21] <popey> no
[09:21] <hanshenrik> yes it is
[09:21] <popey> no, it is not
[09:21] <hanshenrik> last i checked, clumsy_bot is right, though i havent checked since like 12.04
[09:21] <bekks> hanshenrik: dist-upgrade does not change anything about being on 1404. It doesnt update your release.
[09:21] <popey> I am staggered that in 2014 people still don't know the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade ☹
[09:21] <popey> (this was not a dig at you) :D
[09:22] <popey> hanshenrik: dist-upgrade will only upgrade to the next release if you edited your sources.list first
[09:22] <hanshenrik> what does dist-upgrade do?
[09:22] <popey> upgrade will upgrade packages you already have installed
[09:22] <popey> dist-upgrade will upgrade them, and also, if necessary, pull in new packages required by those updates
[09:22] <bekks> hanshenrik: it updates all distribution packages - all packages you've installed to the latest version of the release you have installed.
[09:22] <popey> upgrade will not do that
[09:22] <hanshenrik> so, if i have say, 1204, apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade", will NOT take it to next release? :o
[09:23] <hanshenrik> or, a newer release?
[09:23] <bekks> hanshenrik: No, it will not.
[09:23] <popey> correct
[09:23] <cfhowlett> hanshenrik, correctomundo!
[09:23] <ChaosBringer> hi all, i'm having this issue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1121588 but on ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[09:23] <clumsy_bot> Here's a post on the differences between the two. http://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade
[09:23] <popey> I wrote a rant about this 4 years ago! http://popey.com/blog/2010/01/11/feedback-for-going-linux-podcast/
[09:23] <ChaosBringer> anyone has idea on how to fix? I'm using gnome-shell instead of KDE
[09:24] <cfhowlett> popey, don't be.  I happily ran "update" for years thinking that I was keeping on top of good system management practices.  Imagine my face when I actually read the man page last year ...
[09:24] <popey> heh
[09:25] <clumsy_bot> What about aptitude then?
[09:25] <clumsy_bot> I'd have to perform a full-upgrade under aptitude yes?
[09:25] <cfhowlett> clumsy_bot, no.  apt will do it
[09:25] <cfhowlett> clumsy_bot, sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:26] <clumsy_bot> cfhowlett, Okay... Off to the documentation for me.
[09:27] <alsheft516> hi everyboooooody
[09:29] <ahad> Can a battery problem be associated with installing Ubuntu?
[09:29] <ahad> anyone?
[09:29] <popey> what kind of battery problem?
[09:29] <ikonia> sorry what ?
[09:29] <ikonia> do you mean a problem installing ubuntu ?
[09:29] <ahad> yes. can it be?
[09:29] <ikonia> ubuntu will not "change" your battery, it can use the power system differently
[09:30] <cfhowlett> ahad, don't see how, although ubuntu does recommend AC power during install.   but so long as power continues through the install, not really an issue.
[09:30] <ahad> as in the battery bar is stuck on 46% and its only operatable using the power cable
[09:30] <ikonia> ubuntu won't stop your machine charging
[09:30] <clumsy_bot> ahad, Most probably a power management bug.
[09:31] <ikonia> thats not true
[09:31] <ahad> so any possible suggestions?
[09:31] <ikonia> it could be a dead battery, no longer accepting charge
[09:31] <popey> my battery won't charge beyond about 30%
[09:31] <popey> thats because the battery is broken
[09:31] <ikonia> popey: yes, this sounds more realistic
[09:31] <Nero_> I have a D845GVSR Intel Motherboard. 1 GB RAm, P4 processor 2.2 GHz. Can I install ubuntu 14.04 on such configuration?
[09:32] <Nero_> Hey ikonia !
[09:32] <ikonia> Nero_: it's the bottom end of the spec, but sure
[09:32] <popey> Nero_: yes, but it might prefer more ram. or you might want a leaner desktop
[09:32] <clumsy_bot> Nero_, I don't see why not. It might be a little too heavy though. Try Xubuntu or Lubuntu.
[09:32] <ahad> guys it was working just fine yesterday. and yesterday only i installed Ubuntu
[09:32] <popey> ahad: what make/model of laptop?
[09:33] <ahad> Hp pavilion G6
[09:33] <Nero_> and one more thing. I'm currently on WinXP. the 720p movies stutter on VLC player. Would Ubuntu be able to fix this glitch?
[09:33] <ikonia> ahad: batterys can die, a reboot/power surge (such as the end of an install) can be enough to finish a dying battery
[09:33] <cfhowlett> Nero_, it would probably use less memory so ... possible
[09:33] <popey> Nero_: it might be able to frameskip to compensate
[09:33] <ikonia> Nero_: if it's a resource issue, no
[09:33] <ikonia> Nero_: if it's a bug with the software, possibly
[09:33] <popey> Nero_: but sounds like a low end machine, so you may need to set your expectationa accordingly ☻
[09:34] <Nero_> I can alternatively install an older version of Ubuntu. say 12.04.
[09:34] <ahad> ikonia: thanks for your help :)
[09:34] <ikonia> Nero_: still the bottom end of the spec
[09:34] <popey> Nero_: maybe re-encode your videos to a lower resolution ☻
[09:35] <Nero_> So, I have no other go but to pick Lubuntu or Xubuntu? :(
[09:35] <popey> no, there are many desktops
[09:35] <cfhowlett> Nero_, those are not BAD choices ...
[09:35] <popey> those are just two well supported lightweight ones
[09:35] <clumsy_bot> ahad, PuppyLinux?
[09:35] <cfhowlett> Nero_, transcoding is quite easy with avconv
[09:35] <ikonia> puppylinux wil not fix anything
[09:35] <popey> Nero_: seems like you want software to fix a hardware problem (lack of power)
[09:36] <Nero_> If it isn't that pain, would you please recommend some?
[09:36] <alsheft516> how can i install flash player in xubuntu
[09:36] <clumsy_bot> ikonia, It's certainly the lightest option if he wanted a really light desktop.
[09:36] <ikonia> clumsy_bot: no, sorry
[09:36] <ikonia> that won't fix anything
[09:36] <cfhowlett> !flash | alsheft516
[09:36] <popey> clumsy_bot: the issue he's mentioned is about video playback, not desktop weight
[09:36] <popey> Nero_: video playback will be the same on any linux distro really
[09:36] <clumsy_bot> My mistake then.
[09:36] <alsheft516> sorry i mean flash player
[09:37] <clumsy_bot> alsheft516, A dedicated player for Flash files?
[09:38] <Nero_> Ok. here's the thing. I see my computer frequently getting affected by some f**** viruses off late. And with such an old motherboard I have, I thought why not switch to ubuntu which is sleek and secure.
[09:38] <ikonia> Nero_: tone down the language - there is no need for it
[09:38] <ikonia> Nero_: it's only as secure as you make it
[09:38] <ikonia> Nero_: swapping to linux is not a magic fix - you need to change your approach to using a computer
[09:38] <clumsy_bot> Nero_, wattOS could be a good alternative to Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[09:38] <ikonia> wattsOS would be a bad choice
[09:39] <cfhowlett> Nero_, you have old hardware.  lubuntu is optimized for old hardware.  xubuntu is also quite good.  download.  test.  choose.
[09:39] <ikonia> again changing distros is not an issue
[09:39] <Nero_> the second thing is the video issue on Win XP. The moment i play a 720p or a 1080p, the screen goes blank and I will have to manually restart to again work on my system.
[09:39] <clumsy_bot> It seems like I can't really ascertain what he really wants...
[09:39] <cfhowlett> Nero_, something else you can EASILY test ...
[09:39] <popey> Nero_: you could boot off a live cd/usb and install vlc then try and play a 720p video off your hard disk to test it.
[09:40] <popey> Nero_: that would let you know whether ubuntu would work at that or not
[09:40] <Nero_> popey. that's a good idea ! thanks !
[09:40] <popey> Nero_: you could also try a few desktops that way, grab an ubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu iso and compare them
[09:41] <popey> Nero_: just note that on the live cd the "universe" pocket is disabled by default, so you'd need to 1) boot from live cd/usb, 2) edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add in universe, 3) sudo apt-get update, 4) sudo apt-get install vlc, then 5) navigate to your local hard disk in file manager and play video in vlc
[09:41] <popey> Nero_: might be a bit slow going with 1GB RAM and everything on a CD/USB though!
[09:42] <Nero_> ikonia Basically, I want my curent system config to perform upto its mark using a lightweight OS. Win XP or Win7 is pretty heavy on such config. Moreover Ubuntu is awesome.
[09:43] <ikonia> Nero_: you'll not really get anything better against your hardware
[09:43] <ikonia> eg: a windows 7 install is a reaonable mirror in resources of a modern linux distro
[09:44] <ikonia> Nero_: there are other lighterweight ones as popey has suggested but if you don't have the resource ot play a 720p video on windows - you won't on ubuntu
[09:44] <ikonia> (or any linux distro)
[09:44] <ikonia> (bottom line)
[09:44] <Nero_> ikonia. true.
[09:45] <Nero_> popey Thanks  a lot for the timely help!
[09:45] <popey> np
[09:45] <Nero_> ikonia Thank you ! :)
[09:50] <Nero_> ah! one more query. How do I get a secure connection on freenode IRC?
[09:50] <ikonia> the guys in #freenode can help/explain that to you
[09:50] <HaPut> I upgraded to 14.04  when i restarted the system get stuck at the ubuntu screen with dots lighting forever
[09:52] <ahad> can you guys tell me a channel for ubuntu beginners?
[09:52] <ikonia> ahad: here is just fine
[09:52] <cfhowlett> !manual | ahad,
[09:52] <ikonia> ahad: all levels welcome
[09:52] <cfhowlett> ahad, you might also read some ubuntu magazine:  www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[09:52] <ahad> haha, thanks alot guys :)
[09:53] <jordanstjacques> are there any channels that discuss Ubuntu Server specifically?
[09:53] <ikonia> jordanstjacques: #ubuntu-server
[09:53] <ahad> thanks for the resources, i really could use them
[09:53] <ikonia> ahad: https://help.ubuntu.com
[09:53] <ikonia> ahad: pretty much walks you through any of the steps a new user would need
[09:53] <ahad> ikonia: thanks alot
[09:53] <HaPut> I upgraded to 14.04  when i restarted the system get stuck at the ubuntu screen with dots lighting forever
[09:55] <jordanstjacques> thanks ikonia
[09:56] <littlebit> hello people, I have been trying to install xubuntu amd64 onto my lenovo x201i. Booting from the usb stick was no problem at all. Neither did I run into any problem during the installation process. But when I reboot my newly installed OS, I land directly into a kernel panic.
[09:56] <littlebit> can someone help
[09:57] <cfhowlett> littlebit, this is the lenovo carbo?
[09:58] <cfhowlett> *carbon*
[09:58] <ikonia> littlebit: try to get some key words from the kernel panic, there is normally a summary line before all the bumf eg: "unable to find disk UUSD-o44985739853-9483094-40985345
[09:58] <littlebit> cfhowlett: no it isn't
[09:58] <menace> Hi, i ssh (with -X) from Machine A into Machine B. On Machine B there's a video with sound. on A i type into my ssh session vlc file.mpeg. now i get the video on machine A, but the sound on machine B. how do i reroute the sound so that the sound is outputted on Machine A?
[09:58] <littlebit> ikonia: the funny thing is that everything works find when I install xubuntu i386
[09:59] <ikonia> menace: sounds is not a network protocol
[09:59] <cfhowlett> littlebit, umm... problem solved then?  right?
[09:59] <ikonia> menace: you're forwarding X11 - not sound
[09:59] <vol4ko_y_z> i am wondering if i go with ubuntu, it can be slow? Unitly looks too full with features so...
[09:59] <ikonia> littlebit: that's interesting,
[09:59] <ikonia> vol4ko_y_z: really depends on your hardware
[09:59] <littlebit> cfhowlett: well I have an i5 cpu and using a 32 bit os
[09:59] <cfhowlett> vol4ko_y_z, try lubuntu or xubuntu
[09:59] <menace> ikonia: i know that. but how could i solve that problem? any idea?
[09:59] <littlebit> I cant go above 4GB ram
[10:00] <kristenbb> bekks: you still there ?
[10:00] <ikonia> menace: menace to be honest, I wouldn't approach it as you're doing
[10:00] <ikonia> menace: I'd run the video player locally, with the file remote
[10:00] <menace> why?
[10:00] <kristenbb> i have two ubuntus 14.04 on the same computer, one with swap, the other without. is it possible to set the swap of the second one to the same partition as the first, and if so, how ?
[10:00] <ikonia> kristenbb: installs can share swap
[10:01] <littlebit> cfhowlett: well I have an i5 cpu and using a 32 bit os
[10:01] <ikonia> kristenbb: just add the swap partition to the fstab
[10:01] <kristenbb> ikonia: how?
[10:01] <HaPut> Graphical display stopped working after upgrade to 14.04.
[10:01] <ikonia> kristenbb: on the ubuntu with swap look at /etc/fstab - use that as a template for the swap line in /etc/fstab on the ubuntu machine without swap
[10:02] <littlebit> cfhowlett: and I cant go above 4GB ram
[10:02] <ikonia> littlebit: how much ram do you actually have ?
[10:02] <littlebit> ikonia: 1x 4GB
[10:02] <littlebit> ikonia: and 1 slot is unused
[10:02] <ikonia> littlebit: ok, so you're not actually held back at this time while the problem is worked through
[10:03] <littlebit> ikonia: well... kinda
[10:03] <ikonia> littlebit: in what way ?
[10:04] <littlebit> ikonia: I'm held back on ram that is all
[10:04] <ikonia> you've only got 4gb of ram, so you're not held back
[10:04] <ikonia> this gives time to work through the problem
[10:05] <kristenbb> ikonia: it's the same line, but it works on one, not the other
[10:05] <ikonia> kristenbb: what's the error ?
[10:05] <kristenbb> ikonia: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0
[10:06] <ikonia> aaah crypt
[10:06] <ikonia> in that case "no"
[10:06] <ikonia> you've encypted it
[10:06] <kristenbb> ikonia: there is no 'error', it's just that "free" shows no swap
[10:06] <kristenbb> ikonia: how do you mean ?
[10:06] <littlebit> ikonia: true, since this is the first time i ran into a kernel panic, what information is important to look at?
[10:07] <ikonia> kristenbb: you've encypted your swap partition so the other OS can't see it
[10:07] <ikonia> littlebit: first thing is to get any of the human reable information, there is normally a very basic error summary before all the memory dump information
[10:07] <kristenbb> ikonia: why ? is swap not flushed in between boots ?
[10:08] <ikonia> kristenbb: it's ENRCYPTED
[10:08] <ikonia> ENCRYPTED
[10:08] <m3n3chm0> hello, i'm getting this error since 2 days ago on xubuntu 14.04 >> lightdm-gtk-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_focus
[10:08] <kristenbb> ikonia: but why couldn't this partition be used with another encryption key for the swap of the other os ?
[10:09] <ikonia> kristenbb: becayse it's encypted, so the other OS doesn't know about it - the point of encyption is to not allow it to be accessed
[10:10] <kristenbb> ikonia: i don't want to access the info on it, i just want to use the space.
[10:10] <Nero_> m3n3chm0 do you get a blank screen after the error?
[10:10] <ikonia> right - using the space is "accessing it"
[10:10] <ikonia> kristenbb: you've encypted the disk to stop other systems accessing it
[10:10] <kristenbb> ikonia: i've not encrypted the disk, just the home partition - but apparently the installer did the rest
[10:10] <m3n3chm0> Nero_ no, just after login i receive that error and appears the bug window "aport.." to send a notification crash.
[10:11] <m3n3chm0> but i continue without problems just on login
[10:12] <Nero_> m3n3chm0 have you updated any kernel recently?
[10:12] <kristenbb> ikonia: can a partition not be used as a blank bunch of blocks, and use it as an empty partition, whether the data on it is encrypted or not ?
[10:12] <ikonia> kristenbb: it's encrypted - you've locked it
[10:12] <ikonia> kristenbb: nothing else matters
[10:12] <m3n3chm0> Nero_  mmm i fon't know, now i'm runnging 3n3chm0@m3n3chm0-laptop:~$ uname -r
[10:12] <m3n3chm0> 3.13.0-35-generic
[10:14] <Name141> Hm I can't seem to get the new machine online
[10:14] <kristenbb> ikonia: i'm sorry but i don't understand what you mean by that. from what i understand, data encryption is at a higher degree than just block read/write. I can always access the blocks, I just won't be able to understand them because the data on it is encrypted. Am I wrong ?
[10:14] <Name141> after install
[10:15] <ikonia> kristenbb: you can't read/write to the disk as it's encyrypted, there is no other way to explain it
[10:15] <gorgath> !chrome
[10:15] <gorgath> how do I install chrome
[10:16] <Name141> !chromium
[10:16]  * Name141 shrugs
[10:17] <MonkeyDust> Name141  it's called chromium-browser
[10:18] <okko> I need to install an unicorn-update for my trusty-tahr. How should I do it?
[10:19] <gorgath> okko, install it through the ubuntu software centre
[10:19] <gorgath> !update > okko
[10:19] <Name141> Maybe 2 NICs is creating an issue for me ? In ifconfig, it has the right information like I'm actually connected to the internet.
[10:20] <ikonia> Name141: what's the actual problem
[10:20] <Name141> ikonia: I can't seem to get back on the internet after restarting.
[10:21] <Name141> Or to the modem page even
[10:21] <Nero_> m3n3chm0 try logging using "other" and input your credentials.
[10:21] <ikonia> Name141: what is the error you get ?
[10:21] <m3n3chm0> Nero_ ok, i'll try
[10:22] <m3n3chm0> using other ? user ?
[10:22] <Name141> ikonia: None from anything other than browsers
[10:22] <Nero_> m3n3chm0 see if this helps. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/809890
[10:22] <ikonia> Name141: you obviously know how to use ifconfig, what is the IP address your network card is given
[10:23] <Name141> ikonia: eth0 has the correct information, eth1 is nothing.
[10:23] <ikonia> Name141: that's not what I asked
[10:23] <ikonia> Name141: what is the IP address your network card has been given
[10:23] <Name141> ikonia: inet addr (something that my ISP gives me) , Bcast (a number slightly different from ISP) , mask 255.255.240.0
[10:24] <Name141> (slightly different from inet addr)
[10:24] <ikonia> Name141: ok, I'm not going to be able to help if you're not giving me information
[10:24] <Name141> ikonia: inet addr: 99.197.115.221 bcast:99.197.127.225
[10:25] <Nero_> Name141 you will have to seperately configure the ethernet cards.
[10:25] <Name141> Nero_: can I just disable one?
[10:25] <ikonia> Name141: so it's giving you a public IP - not a private one
[10:25] <ikonia> Name141: ignore what Name141 is saying
[10:25] <Name141> ikonia: pretty much, there is only a switch
[10:25] <Name141> ikonia: modem is supposed to do DHCP
[10:25] <ikonia> Name141: ok, perfect
[10:25] <ikonia> Name141: so if you do "netstat -rn" what is the default gateway
[10:26] <Nero_> Name141 there sure is an IP address conflict. ikonia asks for the Ip addresses to see if there is any conflict.
[10:26] <ikonia> no I did not ask to see if there is a conflict
[10:26] <ikonia> there is NOT an ip conflict
[10:26] <Name141> 99.197.112.1
[10:26] <ikonia> there is nothing to suggest anything to do with an IP conflict
[10:26] <Name141> 0.0.0.0
[10:27] <ikonia> Name141: thats plausable, as a basic test can you ping 99.197.112.1
[10:27] <Name141> Yes
[10:27] <ikonia> Name141: cool
[10:27] <ikonia> so can you "ping 8.8.8.8"
[10:28] <Name141> Hm.  It seems stuff just started connecting like nothing was wrong
[10:28] <Name141> Maybe I should get a real router.
[10:28] <ikonia> Name141: looks like you're on the internet
[10:28] <Name141> One ViaSat friendly
[10:28] <Name141> ikonia: Yeah pages are coming up fine now....
[10:29] <Name141> ikonia: I been told on the wildblue forums I should really get a router so that the modem will give us all one IP# instead of different ones.
[10:29] <ikonia> Name141: give "us" ?
[10:30] <ikonia> multiple people cannot share 1 ip
[10:30] <Name141> ikonia: Each computer (which is each user)
[10:30] <ikonia> Name141: that's nothing to do with your modem - that's your ISP's dhcp allocation
[10:30] <Name141> ikonia: Also not being able to share files/printer is annoying
[10:30] <Nero_> ikonia what are you into? as in computer sciences.
[10:30] <ikonia> Name141: you can setup a router to give multiple non-public IP addresses and then masqurade out of your one public IP
[10:31] <Name141> ikonia: That's what I meant.  192.168.0.whatevers
[10:31] <ikonia> Name141: your ISP should be able to explain what it will allow/not allow
[10:31] <ikonia> Name141: perfect,
[10:31] <Name141> ikonia: I just been putting it off since the BEFSR41 wont work as a true router on Hughesnet, Wildblue, or Exede. (Sat)
[10:32] <Name141> It'll work for a few mins, then disconnect.  Have to set it back up as a switch with computers in the switch ports and internet too.
[10:32] <Name141> That and the ones listed are like $60+
[10:33] <Name141> People got working on the forums
[10:33] <ikonia> well, that's a bit outside the scope of this channel
[10:33] <Name141> Yeah
[10:33] <Nero_> ikonia how can I Pm you?
[10:33] <ikonia> Nero_: why do you need to pm me ?
[10:34] <Nero_> you seem approachable!
[10:34] <Name141> ikonia: upon restarting I get "requesting an ethernet network address for Wired Connection 2"
[10:34] <ikonia> Nero_: if you need ubuntu help, just ask the channel
[10:34] <Name141> Then saying it's disconnected.  I been having to reset the router (Power off/up)
[10:34] <ikonia> Name141: thats fine, dhcp will broadcast requests on all network cards
[10:34] <ikonia> Name141: it just won't get a response
[10:35] <Name141> ikonia: It's all disconnected on restart now.
[10:35] <Name141> I'm starting to think something is wrong with the switch even.
[10:35] <ikonia> Name141: it sounds like your modem is only activating on traffic
[10:35] <ikonia> Name141: ping 8.8.8.8 and see if it comes to life
[10:36] <Name141> ikonia: Network is unreachable
[10:36] <ikonia> Name141: ping the gateway again
[10:36] <ahad> ikonia: what does ping 8.8.8.8 do?
[10:36] <Nero_> ikonia You shall be remembered for generations to come for the support you give to users all day ! I salute you Matthew!
[10:36] <ikonia> Nero_: err ok
[10:36] <ikonia> ahad: just hits a google server that has icmp on, so it's just a random "ok" box on the internet to do a test with
[10:36] <Name141> 99.197.112.1 ?
[10:36] <ikonia> Name141: yes
[10:37] <ikonia> ahad: any known working box will do
[10:37] <Nero_> ikonia I wonder how it would be to be something good at something like you !
[10:37] <Name141> ikonia: Network is unreachable
[10:37] <ikonia> Name141: interesting
[10:37] <ikonia> Name141: do you have an IP address on eth0 again ?
[10:37] <Name141> ikonia: no.  It's been doing the same thing on windows machines (as seen above).
[10:37] <Name141> Have to power down/up just on restart of a machine.
[10:37] <Name141> (The switch)
[10:38] <Name141> I'm not sure of software update on modem conflicting, or switch gone nuts ?
[10:38] <ikonia> Name141: sonds like you need to talk to your ISP
[10:38] <AlexPortable> So
[10:38] <AlexPortable> How do I disable the 'switch user' on the lockscreen?
[10:38] <Name141> ikonia: They'll just tell me to call Linksys or Trednet
[10:39] <Name141> depending on which I'm using as the switch
[10:39] <ikonia> Name141: they can see what/when your modem sends auth requests/dhcpd requests, that will be useful to know whats failing and why
[10:39] <Nero_> AlexPortable what OS are you on?
[10:39] <ikonia> Name141: but this doesn't sound like ubuntu is an issue - more your network hardware
[10:40] <Name141> ikonia: Now when I clicked network to retry it, it came back.... interesting.  Everything's connecting again.  Seems something has gone wrong somewhere with hardware.
[10:40] <AlexPortable> Nero_: i think this is ubuntu channel
[10:40] <Name141> Yes indeed.
[10:40] <AlexPortable> 14.04
[10:40] <kristenbb> ikonia: so if i cant use one partition, then how can i set up swap on the ubuntu without it?
[10:41] <ikonia> kristenbb: you need to setup another non-encypted swap partition for your other install
[10:41] <kristenbb> i would like it encrypted, just like the other, is that not possible ?
[10:42] <kristenbb> ikonia: ^
[10:42] <ikonia> kristenbb: sure, setup a different encypted partition for your other install
[10:42] <kristenbb> ikonia: ok. how can I do that ?
[10:42] <ikonia> kristenbb: first make the partition, then use the encyption method that you like to use
[10:42] <ikonia> eg: luks
[10:43] <netmole> Good day , i had strange issues with new install of ubuntu 14.04 used mini iso cd my network card AR8161 is offline and as well all usb devices keyboard  they worked with install cd
[10:43] <Nero_> AlexPortable open gconf-editor. Navigate through the desktop, gnome and then lockdown.
[10:43] <kristenbb> ikonia: but it's not a full disk encryption, it's just home encryption.
[10:43] <ikonia> kristenbb: thats fine
[10:43] <Nero_> AlexPortable and you have an option to disable the user switching.
[10:43] <ikonia> netmole: the mini-iso doesn't have all the packages
[10:43] <ikonia> netmole: I suggest using a standard install
[10:44] <AlexPortable> well won't this disable user switching at all?
[10:44] <netmole> well it is posible to install them in rescue console or you consider to burn full image and reinstall ?
[10:45] <Benyamin> hello everyone. i need help, i just wana figured why why ubuntu and xubuntu install ext3 file system by default not ext4. can anyone explain it? and why when using e4defrag using sudo, there's still some part on the HDD cant be defrag? thanks for answering, anyone...
[10:45] <kristenbb> ikonia: so I have created an empty space by shrinking an existing partition with gparted, then what ?
[10:46] <ikonia> kristenbb: make a new partition and encypt it using whatever tool you like
[10:46] <kristenbb> ikonia: how ?
[10:46] <ikonia> netmole: I'd suggest a clean full install
[10:46] <ikonia> netmole: unless you have a reason to use the mini.iso
[10:46] <elhadj> slt
[10:47] <netmole> ikonia only one reason was i did not had  dvd medium and i am replaced disk so that is reason why i am used  mini iso
[10:47] <mouhamadou-moust> momo
[10:47] <elhadj> iguitikgkgjjjjjjjkj
[10:47] <ikonia> netmole: do a full install then
[10:48] <kristenbb> ikonia: how can I make the unallocated space be used as an encrypted swap for the current system ?
[10:49] <ikonia> kristenbb: you need to format it for swap/encypt it using the methond you like to use
[10:49] <ikonia> kristenbb: I've said this 4 - 5 times now
[10:49] <kristenbb> ikonia: yes but i'm sorry i don't know how to do that, can you be more precise please ?
[10:49] <ikonia> kristenbb: it sounds from what you've said so far like you have no need for encypted swap
[10:49] <ikonia> kristenbb: I'd suggest not using it as you're making your system more complex
[10:50] <kristenbb> ikonia: i just want to end up with the same configuration as the other system that I have. How can I make it use the /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 ?
[10:51] <Nero_> AlexPortable that would help.
[10:51] <ikonia> kristenbb: I don't think you have need for it so I'm going to back away from it
[10:51] <Benyamin> hello everyone. i need help, i just wana figured why why ubuntu and xubuntu install ext3 file system by default not ext4. can anyone explain it? and why when using e4defrag using sudo, there's still some part on the HDD cant be defrag?
[10:51] <AlexPortable> Nero_: no i mean, i want to keep user switching
[10:51] <AlexPortable> but just not on the lockscreen
[10:51] <ikonia> Benyamin: what version of xubuntu ?
[10:51] <ikonia> Benyamin: and what version of ubuntu
[10:52] <Benyamin> ikonia: Both of them 14.04
[10:52] <netmole> ikonia: one reason  why i am trying to fix it is reason  because my supliers can deliver me dvd medias in monday so i am try to find out how to make it working without full reinstall
[10:52] <ikonia> Benyamin: then it defaults to ext4
[10:52] <Benyamin> ikonia: now i on win7 for while
[10:52] <ikonia> netmole: just wait until monday
[10:52] <ikonia> netmole: do a proper install
[10:53] <Benyamin> ikonia: but why on ext2fs it read as ext3?
[10:53] <ikonia> Benyamin: what ?
[10:53] <AlexPortable> What do I have to change in gparted to make it boot ubuntu by defualt?
[10:53] <AlexPortable> uefi mode
[10:54] <eeee> AlexPortable: do you get a grub menu?
[10:55] <kristenbb> ikonia: it is said on the ubuntu.com help page that it is strongly recommended to encrypt the swap, so I would like that please, can you help me to achieve that ?
[10:55] <ikonia> kristenbb: no
[10:55] <kristenbb> ikonia: :
[10:56] <kristenbb> !(
[10:56] <ikonia> kristenbb: it's recommened if you have a genuine need for it
[10:56] <kristenbb> :(
[10:56] <kristenbb> i do have the need for it
[10:56] <ikonia> I don't believe you do, I believe you are going to make a problem with your system, so I'm not going to progress this
[10:56] <Benyamin> ikonia: http://s12.postimg.org/lb0do5awt/Untitled.jpg check this
[10:56] <kristenbb> am I not able to say what I need or not ? :(
[10:56] <ikonia> Benyamin: that's windows
[10:57] <Nero_> AlexPortable You are looking for this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/153930/how-to-permanently-disable-user-switching-in-gnome-3
[10:57] <ikonia> Benyamin: that's nothing to do with linux
[10:57] <ikonia> Benyamin: the ext file system driver for windows is poor, do not use it as a judgement for whats going on within your linux system/filesystems
[10:57] <Benyamin> ikonia: yeah. but why as ext3?
[10:57] <ikonia> Benyamin: it's not
[10:57] <ikonia> Benyamin: ignore it
[10:57] <Benyamin> ikonia: okay, i just asking bro, don't be angry lol
[10:57] <ikonia> Benyamin: I'm not angry
[10:57] <Benyamin> ikonia: i confused sometimes so i ask here
[10:58] <ikonia> Benyamin: fine, and I'm explaining to you,
[10:58] <Benyamin> ikonia: but thanks for answering,
[10:58] <AlexPortable> Nero_: well that's permanently. i want to allow user switching, just not from the lockscreen
[10:58] <kristenbb> ikonia: you do look angry, i'm just asking something and you're saying i don't need it, so you won't answer even though you know :(
[10:59] <ikonia> kristenbb: ok.
[10:59] <Nero_> AlexPortable So, you basically want to change the GRUB boot order?
[11:00] <AlexPortable> not grub
[11:00] <AlexPortable> it boots on efi file windows by defualt
[11:01] <AlterIW> AlexPortable, download EasyBCD and use it to add Linux to the MBR for Windows
[11:01] <AlexPortable> mbr is for bios right?
[11:01] <AlterIW> AlexPortable, no it's basically the Windows grub
[11:01] <ikonia> yes
[11:01] <ikonia> you need efi
[11:02] <ikonia> no it's not the windows grub
[11:02] <ikonia> mbr is nothing to do with windows
[11:02] <Nero_> it is not the windows grub at all.
[11:02] <Blenda> I want to install JackAudio, search in SC gives many answers, is it "jackd" (version5) ?
[11:02] <eeee> AlexPortable: he means add it to the bootmgr of windows, AlterIW you don't need easyBCD for that,
[11:03] <Nero_> AlexPortable you can use a software called easyBCD on windows. or alternatively you can also have ubuntu as the defalut boot OS from the command line interface of ubuntu.
[11:03] <jpickett> Hi, I've accidently downloaded the amd64+mac iso image, can I install that on a non-mac PC?
[11:04] <AlterIW> jpickett, no it only holds mac drivers not windows.
[11:04] <AlterIW> Hardware related not windows sorry
[11:06] <Nero_> kristenbb ikonia is patiently looking into your queries since long. None is angry here about anything. Please do not jump to conclusions.
[11:06] <AlexPortable> how to do it as default os?
[11:06] <backSlasher> current pip breaks with latest "requests" package. Should I file a bug on it?
[11:06] <Nero_> AlexPortable. have you downloaded the easyBCD on windows?
[11:08] <AlexPortable> no
[11:08] <AlexPortable> i meant "alternatively you can also have ubuntu as the defalut boot OS from the command line interface of ubuntu."
[11:08] <Nero_> AlexPortable do that. It will help.
[11:08] <AlexPortable> how?
[11:09] <bazhang> backSlasher, on debian?
[11:09] <AlexPortable> i prefer not to use windows
[11:09] <backSlasher> bazhang, actually on ubuntu 14.04
[11:10] <backSlasher> bazhang, http://paste.debian.net/118541/
[11:10] <AlexPortable> some parts of ubuntu interface in system settings are not in my native language. how can i solve this?
[11:11] <Nero_> AlexPortable here you go. https://neosmart.net/Download/Register/1
[11:12] <eeee> AlexPortable: you don't need easyBCD to modify anything
[11:12] <Nero_> AlexPortable. This software must be installed on windows and you can configure what OS you want to primarily boot into.
[11:12] <cfhowlett> eeee, ^^^ this
[11:13] <cfhowlett> eeee, agree with eeee that easyBCD should NOT be required and ... by any chance are you using the windows installer / wubi?
[11:13] <Blenda> I want to install JackAudio, search in SC gives many answers, is it "jackd" (version5) ?
[11:13] <Nero_> AlexPortable. Like I said you can run these commands on the ubuntu terminal if you don't prefer windows to alter your boot priority.
[11:14] <eeee> AlexPortable: http://superuser.com/questions/696838/installed-updated-windows-8-uefi-after-ubuntu-restore-grub
[11:15] <eeee> have a look at solution2 ( use bcdedit in windows )
[11:16] <AlexPortable> how can I put ' on e to make é ?
[11:17] <eeee> unicode 0039
[11:17] <geirha> depends on your keyboard layout (language)
[11:17] <eeee> sorry 00E9
[11:17] <AlexPortable> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Keyboard_heatmap_for_German_%28QWERTY%29.png
[11:17] <backSlasher> So pip breaks on Ubuntu but not on Debian when python package "requests" is updated to latest. Should I file a bug on it?
[11:18] <AlexPortable> geirha: ^
[11:18] <AlexPortable> i set it to us internation with dead keys
[11:19] <eeee> AlexPortable: press ctrl+shift+u, then type 00e9, then press space
[11:19] <geirha> Then someone from the US can probably tell you
[11:19] <AlexPortable> eeee: well that's not usable
[11:19] <eeee> actually just e9 works, without 00e9
[11:19] <AlexPortable> i want to do it like windows
[11:19] <AlexPortable> press ' and press e and then é appears
[11:20] <geirha> With norwegian keyboard layout, it's RightAlt + key just left of backspace  then hit e
[11:20] <eeee> ctrl+shift+u, then e9
[11:20] <AlexPortable> ...
[11:20] <AlexPortable> do you really think I can learn my grandma how to do this?
[11:20] <AlexPortable> while on windows i press ' and then e ?
[11:20] <AlexPortable> instead of ctrlshiftu + e9
[11:20] <geirha> AlexPortable: Same in Ubuntu if you use a layout with dead keys
[11:21] <rtur> Hey guys. The package libopenni-sensor-primesense0 from universe is also provided by a third party mirror I use. I want to install the version from universe and thought to use the packagename/archive syntax for it but it's the same for both mirrors. Is there an other way to tell apt to use a package from one mirror and not the other ? In what order does apt source the files from sources.list.d ? Maybe I could
[11:21] <AlexPortable> nope
[11:21] <rtur> just rename the files so the universe mirror would be sourced first.
[11:21] <AlexPortable> geirha: it shows ' right when i press it
[11:21] <AlexPortable> not waiting for space or something
[11:21] <geirha> AlexPortable: your Mac keyboard didn't have the ' character anywhere though
[11:21] <AlexPortable> im not on a mac
[11:21] <AlexPortable> it's similar layout as that
[11:21] <AlexPortable> can't find good layout
[11:22] <YamakasY> where are dependencies of a packages checked before it installs ?
[11:23] <geirha> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_keyboard_layout  this is similar to norwegian layouut. I hit Alt gr + ' (the one next to backspace), then e
[11:23] <geirha> AlexPortable: Alternatively, try #ubuntu-de
[11:23] <backSlasher> bazhang, do you knwo if a bug report will be helpful?
[11:23] <AlexPortable> http://dry.sailingissues.com/keyboard-US-International.png
[11:23] <AlexPortable> this is the right layout
[11:25] <geirha> AlexPortable: So not german ...
[11:26] <AlexPortable> no
[11:26] <Nero_> ikonia
[11:27] <geirha> AlexPortable: Alt Gr+E ?
[11:27] <AlexPortable> well somehow it changed back to normal now
[11:28] <AlexPortable> but it still allows me to put ' s on the s
[11:28] <Ririshi> Hey there
[11:28] <AlexPortable> hi
[11:29] <Ririshi> I have a dual monitor setup and I'd like my right monitor to be the primary monitor, while he launcher is on the left one. Is that possible?
[11:30] <AlexPortable> settings > monitors
[11:30] <AlexPortable> 'show starter on..'
[11:31] <Ririshi> Using that option automatically makes the monitor with starter/launcher the primary one...
[11:31] <Ririshi> At least in Trusty with Unity
[11:31] <Eliop> hello, i'm trying to install a plugin for keepass, but it doesnt work
[11:31] <Eliop> it says this: To install simply drop the KeeOtp.dll and the OtpSharp.dll in the root of your KeePass directory. The dlls can be obtained either by building the source yourself using msbuild or by downloading the latest zip file on the downloads section of this site.
[11:32] <Eliop> the root of my keepass directory
[11:32] <Eliop> is usr/share/keepass?
[11:33] <hualet_deepin> Eliop: dynamic libs are not called *.dll, perhaps the wrong instruction?
[11:34] <hualet_deepin> Eliop: sorry, i mean under linux
[11:34] <Eliop> https://bitbucket.org/devinmartin/keeotp/wiki/Home
[11:34] <Eliop> ive found it here
[11:34] <Eliop> oh
[11:35] <Eliop> what shall i do then? im ost
[11:35] <Eliop> lost
[11:37] <namenick> Does anybody know is it possible to add a global menu item in Unity Launcher? By 'global menu item' I mean something like 'Unlock from Launcher' and I would like to add something like 'Uninstall this application'.
[11:38] <Nero_> Eliop Shoot !
[11:41] <ikonia> Nero_: what ?
[11:43] <Nero_> ikonia I thought you went offline!
[11:44] <ikonia> what do you want ?
[11:44] <Nero_> So, should i go ahead with xubuntu or lubuntu?
[11:44] <ikonia> you can install what you want, why are you asking me ?
[11:45] <Nero_> ikonia or the system config I've mentioned will i be missing a lot on Ubuntu if I go ahead with Lubuntu ?
[11:46] <Nero_> *for
[11:48] <hualet_deepin_> Nero_: if Unity can't make you happy, just do the switch, it's not that hard
[11:49] <ikonia> Nero_: it's a totally different desktop experience
[11:50] <Vesinik> tere
[11:50] <SirLagz> has anyone had a multiseat setup where whenever the second set logs in, the main seat drops to a flashing cursor and needs a ctrl-alt-f7 to get back into X ?
[11:50] <Nero_> ikonia all right. :/
[11:52] <Vesinik> tk
[11:52] <Vesinik> ls
[11:52] <Vesinik> ls
[11:52] <Vesinik> l
[11:52] <Vesinik> sl
[11:52] <Vesinik> sl
[11:52] <Vesinik> lss
[11:52] <unopaste> Vesinik you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[11:56] <Netham45> Is there an ARM bootstrap image?
[11:56] <Netham45> Er, a core system image, I should say.
[11:57] <MonkeyDust> !arm
[11:59] <Unmatthew> ping
[12:00] <MonkeyDust> pong
[12:01] <Nero_> Ask !
[12:03] <Nero_> Please ask !
[12:04] <Nero_> dammit !
[12:04] <Nero_> who the fuck did that?
[12:05] <ikonia> tone the language down
[12:05] <ikonia> I've already warned you - please stop
[12:05] <Nero_> ikonia I'm extremely sorry about it. It was my brother !
[12:05] <ikonia> no it wasn't
[12:05] <ikonia> just stop it
[12:05] <compdoc> heh
[12:05] <Nero_> it was !
[12:06] <ikonia> Nero_: you've done it twice now, I don't care who it is, stop it
[12:06] <Nero_> My sincere apologies !
[12:06] <Cuppa_coffee> it doesnt matter, all those offended type /clear and we should be good to go
[12:06] <bialykot> hi
[12:08] <Nero_> ikonia My vendor (Lenovo) hasn't wriiten software for accessing some features on my laptop using the function keys. How do I get over this impediment?
[12:09] <ikonia> Nero_: there are packages for thinkpad and toshiba laptops for hot key configuration
[12:09] <ikonia> Nero_: failing that you'd have to manually map them
[12:09] <deepubuntu> how can I turn on automatic updates for any software or browser in ubuntu
[12:09] <Nero_> ikonia is there a way i can compile the software myself for ubuntu? if so, how?
[12:09] <ikonia> Nero_: you don't need to
[12:10] <ikonia> there are pacakges in the ubuntu repos (universe I think) for hotkeys on thinkpads
[12:14] <Nero_> Hello?
[12:14] <anonymous8171225> Hi
[12:16] <kantex-wolf> Hello
[12:20] <jiaanq> why can't I see people talking
[12:20] <cfhowlett> jiaanq, ask your ubuntu question
[12:21] <cvetan> because no one is talkind :D
[12:21] <cvetan> *talking
[12:22] <mx_> cvetan, if nobody has a question - its normal ^^
[12:22] <cvetan> just kiddin
[12:23] <mx_> anyone facing issues with qjack and changin settings?
[12:23] <mx_> UST 14.04 that is! i had same problem on 13.04
[12:23] <Wojo> Hi, anyone on 12.04 with stable google-chrome misbehaving - constantly freezing upon start, coorupting profile - after latest upgrade from google repo?
[12:24] <cfhowlett> !ubuntustudio | mx_, or ask #opensourcemusicians
[12:24] <mx_> Wojo, had issues on 12.10 with it - still some on 14.04 - use firefox
[12:24] <Wojo> mx_: not for me, but user wants google-chrome specifically
[12:25] <cvetan> why don't you use chromium?
[12:25] <mx_> Wojo, its coming from the silverlight - flash package - chromium should work but a bit unstable
[12:25] <cvetan> haven't noticed.
[12:26] <mx_> cfhowlett, ask?
[12:26] <Wojo> chromium might do the trick, but additional lib for flash would be necessary
[12:26] <nick9933> #horriblesubs@irc.rizon.net
[12:26] <nick9933> ?
[12:26] <cfhowlett> mx_, ask #ubuntustudio or #opensourcemusicians for jack help
[12:26] <nick9933> join ?
[12:26] <cvetan> chromium is in ubuntu repositories.
[12:26] <qjqqyy> nick9933: you're on freenode
[12:26] <cvetan> it is and open source project, therefore i always use chromium.
[12:27] <nick9933> join #horriblesubs@irc.rizon.net
[12:27] <cfhowlett> !join
[12:27] <cvetan> in ubuntu.
[12:27] <mx_> Wojo, it will be inside already
[12:27] <qjqqyy> nick9933: https://lolicon.eu/stuff/boku%20no%20piko/
[12:27] <qjqqyy> oops wrong paste
[12:27] <qjqqyy> nick9933: https://qchat.rizon.net/
[12:28] <Wojo> mx_: you mean pepper flash plugin already in the bundle for chromium packet in the repo?
[12:28] <mx_> cfhowlett, oh right yeah sorry wrong box
[12:28] <Wojo> or is there an additional packet I need to obtain to get it working while getting rid of google-chrome and its repos
[12:28] <cvetan> i think it is already there.
[12:29] <Wojo> cool, thanks for the info. I will let the user know.
[12:29] <mx_> Wojo, no idea if is salt or pepper dude - it works out of the box i know that much - i dont remember even adding anything for flash to work -
[12:29] <cvetan> i now there is a ppa for the pepper flash.
[12:30] <cvetan> but i also thing that is for the latest versions.
[12:30] <cvetan> just if you want to update it.
[12:30] <andyland> Någon som är bra zfs här?
[12:30] <mx_> Wojo, but flash never really worked and never will on linux - im affraid....
[12:31] <Wojo> mx_: that's another thing :)
[12:31] <mx_> Wojo, will still be a bit unstable and laggy and fewer option (eg setting HD or turn it off and so on~)
[12:31] <Wojo> mx_, cvetan: looks like there is a pepperflashplugin-nonfree on 14.04 and ppa for other releases https://launchpad.net/~skunk/+archive/ubuntu/pepper-flash
[12:31] <Wojo> thanks for your support
[12:33] <mx_> Wojo, no worries - thats why we are here -  we are not all caustic d*** :P
[12:35] <nick9933> irc.rizen.net
[12:35] <simonas> hello
[12:36] <cfhowlett> simonas, greetings.  your ubuntu issue???
[12:36] <simonas> nothin, just chilling
[12:37] <simonas> i use xubuntu
[12:54] <melanie> bonjour
[12:56] <mx_> Mellett68, bonjour -
[12:57] <_unreal_> hum net split party
[12:58] <patates> hi,can't display ISO-8859-2 encoded files, ".srt" files, in text editors, any idea how to display them?
[12:58] <loa> how i can make something like sticky notes under ubuntu?
[12:59] <loa> sometimes i need to record little things.
[12:59] <mx_> patates, tried a notepad?
[12:59] <hualet_deepin_> loa: tomboy?
[12:59] <loa> and don't want to loose them.
[12:59] <mx_> loa, in accesories there is a note app
[12:59] <patates> yeah tried geany, scite and some others, mx_
[13:00] <mx_> patates, and liboffice? via their word app?
[13:00] <mx_> patates, ultimately what are you trying to achieve?
[13:01] <patates> yep, it looks bad with writer too, I want to display them. they look corrupted, but they look fine on windows, mx_
[13:01] <mx_> omg my football socks are stinky as fuck
[13:01] <loa> hualet_deepin_, wow https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.31-17%3A01%3A24.png
[13:01] <loa> i am not ready for this.
[13:01] <mx_> patates, try paint - or gimp like apps and impliment it then -
[13:01] <loa> mx_, where i need to search?
[13:02] <loa> accesories?
[13:02] <loa> what is it?
[13:02] <mx_> loa, ubuntu logo -> accesories -> notes
[13:02] <loa> mx_, you using gnome or what?
[13:03] <mx_> loa, no...? ubuntu?? as per channel's name???
[13:03] <loa> i have search when i click on ubuntu logo
[13:04] <mx_> loa, the one top left corner? (or wherever you put it?) - what version of ubuntu you have?
[13:04] <loa> mx_, 14.04
[13:04] <mx_> ohhh i get it - type note in that then loa
[13:04] <loa> i have russian locale
[13:04] <trijntje> mx_: you are not running ubuntu, ubuntu has a search menu when you open the menu
[13:05] <loa> mx_, i have there only note from wine
[13:05] <loa> mx_, i typed that already.
[13:05] <trijntje> and there is note app installed by default, only gedit
[13:05] <trijntje> !info tomboy
[13:05] <loa> trijntje, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.31-17%3A01%3A24.png
[13:05] <mx_> trijntje, I HAVE 14.04 AND ust - AND BOTH HAVE THAT GRAPHIC CONF - YOU KNOW YOU CAN SET ALL OF THAT UP RIGHT??
[13:06] <hualet_deepin> loa: too much dependencies?
[13:06] <loa> hualet_deepin, mono
[13:06] <mattxtn> mx_ you're trying to read subrip .srt files?
[13:06] <hualet_deepin> loa: alright, i hate it, either ;)
[13:07] <mx_> mattxtn, nope - patates is the man
[13:07] <mattxtn> oh, oops
[13:07] <patates> I am trying to read ISO8859-2 srt files
[13:08] <loa> hualet_deepin, it is not about hate. I think just too heavy for such solution.
[13:08] <mattxtn> patates: those are subtitles right?
[13:08] <patates> yeah, mattxtn
[13:09] <mx_> patates, i just dont get why you would wnat to read them via text and not via the movie directly but whatever flaots your boat dude
[13:09] <hualet_deepin> patates: there's a python lib for reading srt files called python-srt, perhaps that can help you?
[13:09] <mattxtn> patates you may want to check out: http://askubuntu.com/questions/428355/how-to-open-srt-files-in-ubuntu
[13:11] <mattxtn> i imagine the file would open in gedit, emacs, vi, etc..
[13:12] <louisdk> One that have bugged me a lot is that my DHCP doesn't get refreshed when I connect to a new network on my Ubuntu 14.04 laptop (both wlan and wired). I manually have to run "sudo dhclient" if I want to get updated resolv.conf and be able to resolve domain names.
[13:13] <patates> mx_ I sometimes edit a few chars so I wanna read them with text editors too, hualet_deepin I don't think it will help, mattxtn the prblem is not the srt files, iso ISO8859-x(?) encoded files
[13:18] <_unreal_> hello ok I'm trying to remove all of the wl wireless drivers and moduals etc.....
[13:19] <mattxtn> patates: the only thing i can find is that link i already gave you and http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/srt which says any text editor can open it. the encoding iso*** i'm not sure about.
[13:19] <_unreal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8196929/
[13:20] <MasterOfDisaster> patates: read them with what? text editor?
[13:20] <_unreal_> dmesg |grep wl |pastebinit  gave me the output on that pastebin
[13:20] <hichamat> I'm using ubuntu 14 in VM, I can't type | or ~ in terminal
[13:20] <patates> thanks, I will change my locale to ISO-8859-9 from utf-8 to check if it works, mattxtn, yes text editor, MasterOfDisaster
[13:21] <Mete> Hi all, I cannot use my recorder after upgrading 14, is there anybody to help?
[13:21] <mattxtn> patates I was going to mention that but I wasn't sure about changing the locale as I've never done it.
[13:21] <MasterOfDisaster> patates: I wouldn't do that.
[13:21] <MasterOfDisaster> patates: convert the srt file with iconv to unicode
[13:22] <praeconium> Trying to login on 14.04, when I type proper pass, screen blacks and shows login again. I use same pass to login over ssh, normally. And when I type invalid pass it says 'invalid' but no blackscreen etc.. What is going on?
[13:22] <MasterOfDisaster> patates: vi(m) can be forced to a certain charset with :set charset=xxx IIRC
[13:23] <_unreal_> can any one help with a broadcom wireless driver issue?
[13:23] <MasterOfDisaster> praeconium: did you mess with PAM?
[13:23] <trijntje> praeconium: the graphical environment is crashing
[13:23] <patates> Why not? MasterOfDisaster, I did that but I that would bring a work overhead (correct term?). Thanks, I can't use vim yet :|
[13:23] <_unreal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8196929/
[13:23] <praeconium> Ok, I understand MasterOfDisaster and trijntje, I think I did, what can I do to get it back to normal?
[13:24] <_unreal_> any one?
[13:25] <MasterOfDisaster> praeconium: check if your WM/DE is erroring out (~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg*.log), if that checks out check /var/log/secure for PAM errors
[13:25] <praeconium> Master
[13:25] <MasterOfDisaster> patates: I don't get "work overhead", sorry :-)
[13:26] <MasterOfDisaster> patates: ah, nevermind
[13:26] <praeconium> MasterOfDisaster: I have over dozen xorg.conf, could this be an issue?
[13:26] <praeconium> Ok, wil check errors ..
[13:27] <MasterOfDisaster> praeconium: if you see a graphical login screen, it's unlikely that your Xorg config is that broken.
[13:27] <praeconium> Ok, I see GUI properly. And reading now logs..
[13:31] <_unreal_> can any one help me?
[13:32] <mx_> _unreal_, erm... your issue is broadcaomm haha
[13:32] <_unreal_> I'm trying to remove the propritary stuff
[13:32] <_unreal_> I posted links above
[13:32] <mx_> _unreal_, ok so what you are looking at is a perfect example of how broadcaom are d****
[13:33] <_unreal_> no argument
[13:33] <_unreal_> its the only wireless card I have currently and its a long range capable which is the only reason I want to use it.
[13:34] <mx_> _unreal_, i've read the log yes -  what you can try (and is defo not a holy bible that im about to offer you) - is the NDIS wrapper to get the BC 64xx driver to work -
[13:34] <_unreal_> gave me a real run for my money yesterday with locking up apt-get with a dpkg issue where it would freeze on a task and never finish. clearly broadcom's crap caused corruption in the files which I had to clear
[13:35] <_unreal_> hum
[13:35] <_unreal_> I have the bcm4318 rev2 card
[13:35] <mx_> _unreal_,  with that solution it wont work full capacity -
[13:36] <_unreal_> the first thing I need to do is get the WL crap off of the system, and I'm not sure how to do that.
[13:36] <praeconium> MasterOfDisaster: I am looking through log file, I've actually deleted all of them, rebooted, and checked it again. Its over 1000 lines, I have no clue what to look at.
[13:36] <mx_> _unreal_, should work or one of this list anyways - another option would be to use the originial windows driver (again) but via wine
[13:36] <mx_> _unreal_, oh - well the same way than any other uninstall
[13:36] <_unreal_> as far as I know nothing is installed any more for BCM.    I've done apt-get remove * bcm stuff I believe
[13:37] <_unreal_> though i could have missed something....    I'd prob get better results with wine driver
[13:37] <mx_> _unreal_, well then you did what is needed - then restart and retry with NDIS
[13:37] <_unreal_> I'd assume >:)
[13:37] <_unreal_> already have rebooted
[13:39] <mx_> _unreal_, for wine driver i am not sure 100% it exists (just some vague memory of reading ti somwhere when i faced the same issue) - but i'd assume it takes a bit of ressources thus needing a bigger config (not what im aiming for personnaly )
[13:40] <mx_> _unreal_, now one thing i did is passing from N to G on the router and card setup and it never failed afterwards tho
[13:41] <_unreal_> this card is wifi G only I believe
[13:42] <_unreal_> interesting: sudo modprobe wl       hangs
[13:43] <_unreal_> well first off have you any ideas how I could remove all of the remaining wl code/files data etc....
[13:46] <MasterOfDisaster> praeconium: try installing openbox or fluxbox and choose this at your graphical login. This should confirm that your regular window manager/desktop environment chokes on something.
[13:46] <famax> _unreal_, if uninstall - apt get didnt work - see what libraries it depends on (and onnly this prog has to depend on this librabry in order to dont mess up your system) and see if this is not the problem but id say u on for a lonnnggg time of tweaking to find out what is wrong here -
[13:47] <famax> _unreal_, to be honest with you i litteraly gave up and went for a dongle that works - 10e and i was sorted - even if you get it working it wont work at full power therefore the long distance will be at 50% max - there is a tweak to get it working up to 128 max....
[13:48] <_unreal_> I believe the issue is wl I had an issue trying to remove drivers before and it hung. I'm not sure what loads WL to begin with.
[13:48] <_unreal_> if I knew that I may be able to reinstall and remove again? or just find my self doing a circle :)
[13:49] <_unreal_> :) its got an 18" antenna
[13:51] <_unreal_> famax, from what I understand, the WL drivers etc.. are for a different version of card then what I have and thats what is cuasing the majority of my issues. and its making it so I can remove it.
[13:51] <awestroke> apt-get upgrade does not upgrade my linux-image. How can I make it start updating again? I can't install virtualbox because my linux-image is too old for the linux-headers package of the same version to be installable
[13:53] <trijntje> awestroke: what do you mean with linux-image? Can you put the output of apt-get upgrade on pastebin.com?
[13:53] <awestroke> trijntje: it just says everything up to date
[13:53] <awestroke> I'm installing linux-image-3.13.0-35-generic manually now
[13:53] <trijntje> sounds good, whats the problem?
[13:54] <awestroke> shouldn't it see new linux-image packages as upgrades? even dist-upgrade ignores it
[13:54] <trijntje> awestroke: if everything is up to date there are no updates available
[13:54] <trijntje> what is the output of lsb_release -a?
[13:54] <awestroke> trijntje: but now I have the newest kernel installed, so it could have installed that
[13:54] <awestroke> but now I did that upgrade manually
[13:55] <awestroke> trusty
[13:56] <trijntje> awestroke: what update did you do manually?
[13:56] <melvincv> How many years is 14.04 supported for?
[13:56] <awestroke> trijntje: "sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.13.0-35-generic"
[13:56] <awestroke> I was on 3.8
[13:56] <awestroke> specifically, "3.8.0-19-generic"
[13:57] <salar> how can i recover my xchat login password which i forgot?
[13:57] <famax> _unreal_, sorry got sidetracked by a live sampling machine here -  ok so the drivers you installed form a previous hardware are messing right?
[13:58] <trijntje> awestroke: what is the output of lsb_release -a? and can you put your/etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin?
[13:58] <itai> hi, just lost my ethernet on ubuntu, wifi still works , any ideas how to get it back？
[13:58] <melvincv> How many years is ubuntu 14.04 Desktop supported for?
[13:59] <trijntje> melvincv: 5 years
[14:02] <melvincv> Great.. Can I see my previous ubuntu notifications (the ones that have faded away) ?
[14:02] <trijntje> melvincv: I dont think so
[14:03] <rysiekpl> ohai
[14:03] <rysiekpl> so, I am trying to remount a vfat volume to a different umask/uid
[14:04] <melvincv> There was an issue with the 'Online Accounts' feature yesterday. Let me reboot and see if the same occurs today after a system update...
[14:04] <rysiekpl> when I try remounting it, options are not being heeded
[14:04] <rysiekpl> http://wklej.org/id/1453890/
[14:04] <rysiekpl> when I umount and then mount it, it works
[14:09] <AAM_> hey guys can you tell me if there is a specific channel present for asking programming related questions?
[14:10] <olivierrrr> #learnprograming
[14:10] <AAM_> olivierrrr: thanks
[14:11] <Seven_Six_Two> Update last night left me unable to start any desktop. After login, I get black screen with mouse cursor. Unity, xfce, and kde
[14:12] <Seven_Six_Two> Correction. Xfce, unity, gnomeshell
[14:13] <salar> hi. i have a problem with my virtual machine...i used these commands to install kvm(   http://paste.ubuntu.com/8197258/    ) then when i run virtual machine manager and press create new virtual machine there is a warning saying : KVM is not available. this may mean the KVM package is not installed or the KVM kernel modules are not loaded. yout virtual machines may perform poorly.I have ubuntu 12.04 and Sony Vaio E Series VPCEA35FG, core i3-370M 2.4GHz  4GB of
[14:13] <salar>  ram
[14:20] <cipherboy> Hey, is anyone here familiar with recovering squashfs files? I consistently get the error (read_uids_guids: failed to read id index table) when trying to extract a squashfs archive of mine. I have tried it with the default version (4.2) and compiling 4.1 and 4.0 from source and have gotten the same error. Interesting to note that the -s flag to list attributes looks the same as a valid squashfs that I can extract. Any help would be m
[14:20] <Sven_vB> is there a command i can run to make the current Unity session (later ones optional) switch to low graphics mode, or at least forgo most fancy animations, or a kernel boot option or config file setting to do so?
[14:21] <Seven_Six_Two> salar, sudo apt-cache search kvm
[14:21] <Seven_Six_Two> salar, look for other KVM packages that may have been missed
[14:22] <thuduc> xin chao`
[14:22] <thuduc> hello
[14:22] <salar> at Seven_Six_Two ok ill give it a try thanks
[14:22] <thuduc> can you help me?
[14:22] <melvincv> Ubuntu 14.04 keeps asking me to authorize it to access my Google account. I did that many times. Why? http://i58.tinypic.com/245ad0i.jpg
[14:22] <eeee> thuduc: whats up?
[14:22] <thuduc> I'm vietnamese
[14:22] <Basketball> is anyone here good with rtcwake and crontab
[14:23] <Seven_Six_Two> Sven_VB, unity is a compiz plugin, and requires 3d rendering. Try installing other desktop like xfce maybe
[14:23] <thuduc> I can't speak english
[14:23] <jayvi> uhhhhh idk if I'm even in the right place but can someone point me in some sort of direction please? I have never used a linux OS in my life nor have I used irc ever. Tired of Windows 8 I spent the last couple hours getting Ubuntu 14.04.1 to work properly and now I have no idea what to do and I feel damn lost
[14:23] <thuduc> ubuntu studio
[14:23] <thuduc> ???
[14:23] <thuduc> jack?
[14:24] <thuduc> setup?
[14:24] <salar> Seven_Six_Two there are like 100 of packages when i search them and i dont know which to install
[14:24] <Basketball> eeee, are you
[14:24] <Seven_Six_Two> Jayvi you are in the right place. Just ask a specific question for help, and be patient.
[14:24] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, i'm looking for a solution for the install stage before xfce is being installed ;)
[14:24] <eeee> Basketball: am i what?
[14:24] <Basketball> eeee,  good with rtcwake and crontab
[14:25] <Seven_Six_Two> Sven I don't know what you mean
[14:25] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, on my netbook, unity seems to enter 2D mode on its own, i'd like to reproduce that on other machines
[14:25] <eeee> Basketball: i know abit about crontab
[14:26] <eeee> !vietnam | thuduc
[14:26] <jayvi> Sweet thank you I appreciate it. I guess more specifically what is some decent beginner software I should download? I feel like I own on Windows yet feel so noob here
[14:26] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, i'm optimizing my auto-install procedure, and it would be nice if i could have it snappier even before xfce is being installed.
[14:27] <Seven_Six_Two> Sven you'd have to disable your video module, but I don't know of a way to do that on the fly. Try the alternate install disc instead of the normal one.
[14:28] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, that would be against the purpose of the project. still, thanks for the video module hint.
[14:29] <Seven_Six_Two> Jayvi there is no beginner software, but you should have some good defaults already installed. Unlike win, Linux comes wit manybthings already. Open Ubuntu software centre to find more.
[14:29] <reversiblean> Can anyone tell me the latest default kernel version of Ubuntu trusty?
[14:29] <eeee> 3.13.0-35-generic
[14:30] <jayvi> okay thank you.
[14:30] <Basketball> eeee,  check pm
[14:30] <Seven_Six_Two> Sven, is this for quick install on a bunch of machines?
[14:31] <eeee> Basketball: ok
[14:32] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, yes, at least the base install is rather quick. after first reboot, it enters customization stage, where my puppet scripts run less quickly. ;)
[14:32] <jayvi> How do I get the toolbar thing to not stick to the left of my window? I am a freak when it comes to organization and it kills me to just have that thing blinking me in the face the entire time, Id rather have it at the bottom and hide it that way is that possible?
[14:33] <eeee> jayvi: try xeyes in the terminal
[14:33] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, i could install just xfce and then reboot again, but adding yet another reboot doesn't seem elegant, as unity does have a 2D mode
[14:33] <eeee> jayvi: disclaimer, i'm not responsible for any seizure you might have
[14:33] <bongo12345> how can i get modprob to run on boot ? i replaced my driver but no every boot i need to open terminal and modprob and ifup
[14:33] <jayvi> ummm okay
[14:34] <jayvi> wtf lol
[14:34] <eeee> hehe :P
[14:34] <eeee> are you on unity?
[14:34] <jayvi> whats unity
[14:34] <Sven_vB> bongo12345, check the wiki for rc.local
[14:35] <eeee> the desktop environment
[14:35] <cipherboy> !unity | jayvi
[14:35] <jayvi> literally my first time EVER using a linux os so gotta dumb things down a whoooooole lot
[14:35] <jayvi> i believe so though
[14:35] <Basketball> eeee,  can you gp to that website
[14:35] <escapereality> !nounity
[14:35] <eeee> Basketball: ok
[14:35] <Sven_vB> bongo12345, rc.local isn't the best way to load modules, but the quickest that i currently know of
[14:36] <reversiblean> eeee: but I only have 3.13.0-24, 3.13.0-30, 3.13.0-34, 3.13.0-24 Why?
[14:36] <_unreal_> I GOT IT I GOT IT I GOT IT!!!!!!!!! I figured out the wifi issue
[14:36] <eeee> reversiblean: run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:36] <jayvi> I downloaded 14.04.1 so I think thats Unity
[14:36] <cipherboy> jayvi: its is typically referred to as the desktop environment with a more "mac" feel. It has a side launcher bar and application-specific menues are removed from the applications themselves and put up top.
[14:36] <famax> _unreal_,  !share
[14:36] <eeee> reversiblean:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:36] <jayvi> yup
[14:36] <jayvi> exactly that
[14:36] <_unreal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8197449/
[14:37] <eeee> jayvi: ok, the launcher can autohide, if you want it at the bottom, you'll have to install a package
[14:37] <bongo12345> Sven_vB,  so not to /etc/modules?
[14:37] <_unreal_> ok so I got the correct modules loaded before but the problem was the WL. and I couldnt remove them
[14:37] <famax> _unreal_, answer threads on the forum as well please so many people have this issue broadcam being widely used by dell and so on
[14:37] <_unreal_> I had to manually remove the drivers and moduals one at a time using DKMS AND DPKG
[14:37] <reversiblean> eeee:  I'm not sure which kernel to log in before I could dist-upgrade
[14:37] <Sven_vB> bongo12345, if that works, it's a better approach.
[14:37] <_unreal_> once I did that all I did was reboot and all is happy
[14:37] <eeee> reversiblean: 0-34
[14:38] <cipherboy> jayvi: So if you want to play around with that for a bit, you can find most things via the search bar (accessible by clicking the Ubuntu logo in the top left corner or by hitting the windows key). Firefox is the default browser, chrome can be installed if you prefer that though of course.
[14:38] <bongo12345> Sven_vB, i actually have no idea what all this means
[14:38] <_unreal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8197462/
[14:38] <jayvi> yea i found the autohide but it seems pretty unresponsive but from the bottom of the page I think I could manage. Where would I look to find such a package? or use it after that -_- i feel like
[14:38] <_unreal_> so I did a: sudo dkms - bcmwl
[14:38] <_unreal_> so I did a: sudo dkms -r bcmwl
[14:39] <reversiblean> eeee: you mean 3.13.0-34 ?
[14:39] <eeee> reversiblean: yeah
[14:39] <_unreal_> and : sudo dpkg deinstall bcmwl-kernel-source
[14:39] <eeee> !cairo | jayvi
[14:39] <eeee> !find cairo
[14:39] <_unreal_> so I did a: sudo dkms -r bcmwl/modual#
[14:39] <reversiblean> eeee: I also have an upstream kernel installed. would that be a problem?
[14:39] <bongo12345> Sven_vB, i see on /etc/modules that there are just names like lp or rtc ,so if i was to add my module i just write  "r8169">
[14:39] <bongo12345> ?
[14:40] <eeee> !info cairo-dock | jayvi
[14:40] <eeee> jayvi: ^^^^
[14:40] <Sven_vB> bongo12345, that could work
[14:40] <jayvi> cool thank you
[14:40] <melvincv> Google chrome install fails, via the software center, using the .deb file. I had to also do 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[14:40] <reversiblean> eeee: *for upgrade, i mean
[14:40] <bongo12345> Sven_vB, i'll try , thanks
[14:41] <_unreal_> is there a log of console commands????
[14:41] <_unreal_> I rebooted so I dont have the exact info
[14:42] <eeee> _unreal_: ~/.bash_history
[14:42] <eeee> _unreal_: you can use the up and down arrows in the shell, or ctrl+r for a reverse search
[14:42] <_unreal_> I rebooted
[14:42] <eeee> _unreal_: doesn't matter
[14:43] <_unreal_> bluetower@bluetower:~$ sudo ~/.bash_history
[14:43] <_unreal_> sudo: /home/bluetower/.bash_history: command not found
[14:44] <_unreal_> I dont have a bash history anywhere?
[14:44] <jayvi> ugh I just dont get any of this... how do you even download something? like starting ubuntu i had to type some stuff into the terminal and it did some weird things so my best guess is that i have to do something with that but i just seriously have never been so confused in my life when it comes to computers and that is so uncommon
[14:44] <eeee> _unreal_: less ~/.bash_history
[14:44] <eeee> _unreal_: type that
[14:45] <eeee> _unreal_: you don't need sudo for it, and you have to specify some program to view the file with
[14:45] <_unreal_> there it it
[14:46] <cipherboy> jayvi: Software is installed through multiple routes. For most users what works best is the Ubuntu Software Center (type it into the Unity menu up top). There you can search for and install every piece of software that Ubuntu has. However, yes, you can also install packages via the terminal, but give the software center a try first.
[14:46] <jayvi> ok thank you
[14:47] <sapik> you'll get the hang of it
[14:51] <cipherboy> In the mean time, I assume nobdoy here knows anything about recovering squashfs?
[14:52] <sapik> never heard of squash
[14:53] <famax> _unreal_, please answer the forums then and/or make a thread about it - it will be really appreciated by the community :)
[14:53] <Seven_Six_Two> Its the fs on the lived. I can't help though. Sry
[14:53] <Seven_Six_Two> Livecd
[14:54] <cipherboy> sapik: like Seven_Six_Two said, its a compressed, read-only filesystem that is used on just about every LiveCD to store the root fs.
[14:54] <_unreal_> I'm working on it
[14:54] <sapik> need some real expert on that.
[14:55] <Basketball> is anyone here good with rtcwake and crontab
[14:56] <Basketball> hey sergey  are you good with rtcwake
[14:59] <cipherboy> Here's a good one for somebody: hexdump and hexedit/ghex are reporting two different set of hex values for a file.
[15:01] <sapik> i thought hex is the same, for the same file.
[15:01] <_unreal_> ok I've put my info together.
[15:01] <_unreal_> !share
[15:02] <cipherboy> sapik: https://i.imgur.com/DiAnlPP.png
[15:02] <_unreal_> famax where is the forum your refering to
[15:03] <cipherboy> sapik: it looks like one of the two is switching the first two grouping of four digits. 7368 vs 6873. Pattern continues all the way down...
[15:04] <UNIm95> Hi 2 all. Can someone help me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/515864/how-to-reinitialize-processor-for-sys-and-disable-integrated-graphics
[15:04] <UNIm95> How can I reset processor information?
[15:05] <sapik> yeah. weird..
[15:07] <sapik> how about with different file
[15:08] <Sven_vB> Seven_Six_Two, seems like you were right after all, it's been a while since i had the unity 2d experience and just read it's now removed. i'll see what my netbook will choose instead.
[15:08] <sapik> bless shows different hex too. i guess hexdump is just backward
[15:10] <memime> I have lost the menu in my Ubuntu installation. All I have is "Run" and "Logout" Can someone talk me through?
[15:11] <BuJitsuBrown> Are there any know problems with updating "linux kernel and headers" recently eg. past week? My software updater informs me that a complete update is not possible. I then go to settings to un-check to backports and reload  same error. I have tried to check which ones can not be up dated and i get this ... http://imgur.com/ciz03u6
[15:12] <sapik> the -C switch fix it. it's in the man
[15:12] <_unreal_> how would I add info to the ubuntu broadcom info base about how I fixed the driver issue
[15:13] <jacob___> hi
[15:13] <jacob___> I use wine and wine creates these files  in the subdirectory desktop
[15:13] <jacob___> I created successfull a desktop *.desktop file etc
[15:13] <jacob___> if i double clikc it all works
[15:14] <ubuntu-studio> i have install win7 on my laptop but i can not run my ubuntu now. what can i do now
[15:14] <jacob___> If i associate a file *.pdf with SumatraPDF.exe (open source pdf reader) the Sumatra loads but gives an error
[15:15] <bazhang> checked the appdb yet jacob___
[15:15] <jacob___> "there is no windows program associated with this type of file"
[15:15] <jacob___> bazhang: i got it working but somehow it refuses to work now(
[15:15] <jacob___> appdb,.., ok do you have a link to what this appdb is?
[15:16] <bazhang> jacob___, #winehq for individual app support after checking the appdb
[15:16] <bazhang> !appdb
[15:16] <_unreal_> famax, you live?
[15:16] <bazhang> jacob___, ^
[15:16] <Basketball> bazhang,  are you good with rtcwake
[15:16] <bazhang> never heard of it Basketball
[15:17] <BuJitsuBrown>  Are there any know problems with updating "linux kernel and headers" recently eg. past week? My software updater informs me that a complete update is not possible. I then go to settings to un-check to backports and reload  same error. I have tried to check which ones can not be up dated and i get this ... http://imgur.com/ciz03u6
[15:17] <Basketball> bazhang,  how do i switch hardware clock to utc time
[15:17] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, tried a dist-upgrade yet
[15:17] <jacob___> bazhang, i think this is an ubuntu thing for unity
[15:17] <jacob___> wine works fine and the application also
[15:18] <jacob___> but the file is in linux and how cani make a "double click" start the wine app
[15:18] <BuJitsuBrown> @<bazhang> i presently have 14. lts
[15:18] <bazhang> jacob___, #winehq is the place where you'll get the best answers on that
[15:18] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | BuJitsuBrown
[15:19] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, it's not a version upgrade
[15:19] <bazhang> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade BuJitsuBrown
[15:19] <jacob___> bazhang,  just a general question, how does unity associate a file with an application, this is a non-wine question
[15:20] <BuJitsuBrown> okay thank you. I have not tried dist- upgrade ,never have acutly, but i wiil give it a go thank you
[15:20] <bazhang> jacob___, I'm on gnome-shell, no idea sorry
[15:20] <eeee> jacob___: /usr/share/applications
[15:20] <jacob___> gnome-shell?, thats something different i guess
[15:20] <eeee> jacob___: take a look at the .desktop files
[15:21] <bazhang> !notunity | jacob___
[15:21] <jacob___> i have examined the desktop files
[15:21] <jacob___> what is better gnome shell or unity?\
[15:22] <ubuntu> hello
[15:23] <_unreal_> where would I go to submit my info about how to fix the broadcom drivers seeing as how I just solved it.
[15:23] <bazhang> jacob___, personal choice, try them
[15:24] <jacob___> ok
[15:24] <bazhang> _unreal_, askubuntu.com
[15:24] <jacob___> the "Icon" in the *desktop file, doesnt always point to an ICOn file how is that possible?
[15:35] <oznt> hi guys, how  you create the debian tar.xz file needed for building a package?
[15:35] <tmlp> hi,is there a way to fix the problem with ethernet port with atheros ar8161
[15:35] <tracker> Hello .. My name is Daniel, I'm from Brazil. Sorry bother your channel but no channel in Ubuntu-br has tips on Ubuntu for Smartphones. Since I lost mine and I will have to buy a new one, would like to know some basic things before leaving compulsively buying ... 1 - What is the name of the Linux distributions for Smartphone and where can I download? 2 - What devices are compatible with these versions? Anyone out there have a clue? Thank you ..
[15:36] <bazhang> !touch | tracker
[15:36] <jayvi_> okay seriously i dont think im gonna last much longer without throwing this operating system out the window and going back to the horrid windows 8. I can't figure out how to do ANYTHING like absolutely nothing! All I've heard and read about was that Ubuntu and Linux was so good and so much better than windows but I spent 3 hours getting it to work in the first place and now spent another 3 hours and all I've accomplished is syncing my firefox ac
[15:36] <jayvi_> count. this is getting ridiculous please can someone point me in the direction of a manual or something because Ive about had it
[15:37] <cipherboy> I figured it out finally! Apparently the file got truncated... >_<
[15:37] <bazhang> !manual | jayvi_
[15:37] <bazhang> !rute | and this too jayvi_
[15:37] <sapik> how cipherboy
[15:38] <bodhi_zazen> jayne, it takes a bit of time to learn a new os is all. you may also like a different interface, such as kubuntu
[15:38] <bazhang> for some tougher issues there is askubuntu.com jayvi_
[15:38] <tmlp> hi,is there a fix for ethernet w/ atheros AR8161
[15:38] <bazhang> bodhi_zazen, jayvi
[15:38] <jayvi_> thank you
[15:38] <tmlp> it always deconnect every 5mn
[15:39] <jayvi_> how do I get that launcher bar or whatever it is to go to the bottom of my screen instead of locked to the side
[15:40] <sapik> you mean like the one in mac os
[15:40] <cipherboy> sapik: we have had such terrible luck with our NAS, shouldn't have ever thought to store a necessary backup there. Guessing in one of its failures the end of the file got overwritten. Missing the last 14MB of it. >_<
[15:40] <CodeGosu> is there a way i can setup text rendering gamma, i like to modify lut of monitor changing gamma to my preference, however this leads to washed out fonts, is there a way i can force font rendering to use other gamma to force it to be very black?
[15:40] <bazhang> jayvi_, the unity dock is fixed
[15:41] <jayvi_> wow
[15:41] <bazhang> jayvi_, try gnome-shell if you dont like unity
[15:41] <jayvi_> how do i do that?
[15:41] <jayvi_> cuz maybe thats just whats wrong lol
[15:41] <CodeGosu> basicaly when font rendering is to my preference, everything else is very dark. when everything looks well, font is washed out
[15:41] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell jayvi_
[15:42] <bazhang> jayvi_, log out once installed, then login window choose gnome-shell
[15:42] <cipherboy> jayvi_: you can also do it via the ubuntu software center searching for GNOME Shell
[15:42] <jayvi_> ill try the software center
[15:42] <oznt> hi guys, I am trying to package mongodb, and I get this error: dpkg-genchanges: error: file ../mongodb_2.6.4-1.debian.tar.xz has size 43228 instead of expected 43292
[15:42] <oznt> , can someone tell me how to resolve this?
[15:42] <jayvi_> thank you
[15:42] <sapik> glad you figure that out cipherboy. actually i had no idea what you talking about. man i'm noob
[15:43] <bazhang> !find mongo
[15:44] <BuJitsuBrown> Consult /var/lib/dkms/rtbth/3.9.3/build/make.log <<<<<<how do i copy and past this in to terminal to make it open?
[15:44] <bazhang> oznt, why compile it, it's in the repos
[15:44] <oznt> bazhang, an old version
[15:44] <bazhang> !info mongodb | oznt
[15:44] <cipherboy> BuJitsuBrown: if its a long file, use `less /var/lib/dkms/rtbth/3.9.3/build/make.log`
[15:44] <bazhang> oznt, why do you need the very newest of new
[15:45] <BuJitsuBrown> ok thanks i give it a go
[15:45] <cipherboy> BuJitsuBrown: Else `cat /path/to/file` would work if you don't care about how many lines it is. `tail /path/to/file` shows only the end... head shows the top, etc.
[15:45] <oznt> bazhang, because my boss said. My problem is the above, can you help solving the probelm with dpkg?
[15:46] <BuJitsuBrown> @<cipherboy> firts one gve me this
[15:46] <BuJitsuBrown> ...
[15:46] <oznt> where is dpkg reading the file size ? is it calculated?
[15:46] <BuJitsuBrown> DKMS: command not found
[15:47] <cipherboy> BuJitsuBrown: if you want to share the entire file with us, pastebinit is a useful command.
[15:48] <BuJitsuBrown> @<cipherboy> i cant even open it
[15:49] <BuJitsuBrown> here  is wht i get... 'cat /var/lib/dkms/rtbth/3.9.3/build/make.log'
[15:49] <BuJitsuBrown> bash: cat /var/lib/dkms/rtbth/3.9.3/build/make.log: No such file or directory
[15:49] <BuJitsuBrown> justin@justin-HP-Pavilion-Sleekbook-15:~$
[15:49] <BuJitsuBrown> forget it ill track tru gui
[15:49] <cipherboy> BuJitsuBrown: Can't open it why? Permissions issue or...?
[15:50] <cipherboy> Oh um. hm. Likely a path issue.
[15:52] <BuJitsuBrown> nope path was good. but know i know what this is about a problem i have ignored for a good while it has to do with me not being able to get my bluetooth working
[15:53] <BuJitsuBrown> thank you tho
[15:53] <rustyraptor> what are the advantages of using sudo and disabling su?
[15:54] <jayvi_> well idk what just happened but upon installing what I hope was the right file in the software center my screen just lost all its color and faded and it looks like that is supposed to be frozen or something? this is getting ridiculous
[15:54] <rustyraptor> doesn't it rely on the sudo user having a strong password?
[15:54] <cipherboy> jayvi_: In case you don't like gnome shell either... Check out Cinnamon (http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/).  Also gray == thinking, so give it a minute to finish thinking
[15:56] <cipherboy> rustyraptor: su and sudo are two entirely different constructs. su means "switch user", but if a username is not specified it defaults to root. then you have to enter the password of the user you want to become (su root (enter root password) su rustyraptor as a non-rustryraptor user, you have to enter rustyraptor's password).
[15:56] <jayvi_> I read the "more info" stuff and all three options said the same thing but two had ratings equal to the other so I picked one of them
[15:56] <BuJitsuBrown> @<bazhang> or any one i was doing a dist-upgrade everything was going good up untill  this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8198062/
[15:56] <Joshun> Hi
[15:56] <jayvi_> Im thinking I needed to choose "Gnome Shell" not the extensions preferences
[15:56] <rustyraptor> oh I see then
[15:56] <Joshun> The Unity Autohide doesn't work properly for me when using the mtrack input driver. Is there a workaround for this?
[15:57] <cipherboy> rustyraptor: However, sudo is more like "super user do" where if you are allowed to use sudo, you can enter _your_ password and you can run things as root/admin.
[15:58] <_unreal_> there http://askubuntu.com/questions/518422/broadcom-wifi-card-driver-install-solved-how-to-get-it-working
[15:58] <rustyraptor> so it is more secure at least you are not running so much as root. It doesn't make it more secure technically but if you are unable to just run everything from a root terminal and just run sudo with specific tasks then that makes it more secure such that it forces you to practice good security
[15:58] <cipherboy> rustyraptor: Oh and lastly, "sudo su" enables you to use sudo to run the su command as root -- in effect, you use your password to log in as root. (since the result of a sudo command gets run as root, and logging in as the same user doesn't require a password, then sudo su gives you root access without having to change the root password).
[15:59] <rustyraptor> yeah I understand now. Well I knew this but isn't it better if you aren't running every single program you use as root?
[16:00] <rustyraptor> like doesn't this force most users to just use sudo [program] instead of running it all from root?
[16:00] <jayvi_> okay so now that i have gnome installed what do I do
[16:00] <BuJitsuBrown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8198062/--<<<problem with the dist-upgrade any ideas?
[16:01] <cipherboy> jayvi_: log out and log back in, clicking the ubuntu icon next to your username and selecting gnome shell instead of Ubuntu default interface or whatever unity is called lol.
[16:01] <Basketball> anyone here good with rtcwake
[16:01] <rustyraptor> e.g on my debian server I usually have my root terminal open not the normal user and I run it all from there which is a security issue. If I enable sudo and disable root I will run most things from a limited user
[16:01] <jayvi_> ugh thanks for all your help. I like to think of myself as pretty competent when it comes to computers and this is just stressing me out lol
[16:01] <Unknown0BC> Suddenly after a reboot my Ubuntu laptop, has only low graphics, nou sound and the network interfaces will not come up. Nothing on the system changed that I know of.
[16:02] <cipherboy> rustyraptor: Generally speaking, changing the root password is frowned upon, especially if you change it to a weak password. And no, it isn't if you run every single program as root. What if say, firefox was running as root and you were served one of the rare few  viruses. Then that virus would be allowed to run as root. Generally, avoid using sudo/root unless you really need to (e.g., updates, installing software, etc).
[16:02] <sapik> linux is a whole new world jayvi
[16:02] <Unknown0BC> I am due to upgrade anywy. So i'm wondering if the install disk will be smart enough to see that the system needs an upgrade...
[16:02] <Unknown0BC> ( before I start downloading )
[16:02] <cipherboy> jayvi: Not a problem. Just take your time and realize its just like learning anything else. When you first start out, you aren't all that good, but with time and practice you get better.
[16:03] <Unknown0BC> I would not mind fixing the probelm though and upgrade when i'm at a faster internet connection.
[16:03] <BuJitsuBrown> @<jayvi_> dont give up
[16:03] <clayton> boa tarde a todos
[16:03] <oznt> at what stage of the package build is the <software>.debian.tar.xz is being built? how can I create this file ?
[16:03] <clayton> poderiam me ajudar
[16:04] <Basketball> anyone here good with rtcwake
[16:04] <clayton> sou novo no ubuntu
[16:04] <DJones> !pt | clayton
[16:04] <rustyraptor> cipherboy that is what I mean. If you are running the system from a normal user you usually won't run firefox with sudo you will just run it using the firefox command directly and it will have little access to your system. but if you are running it from root you are running firefox from root and it will have access to the whole system.
[16:04] <cipherboy> rustyraptor: yes, separation of privledges is very good. Some people would even go so far as creating a second user account without sudo privileges and use that for most everything and only log in as an admin user when needed.
[16:04] <clayton> infelizmente não estou conseguindo me conectar
[16:04] <clayton> via wi fi
[16:04] <rustyraptor> yeah that's what I meant ok
[16:04] <cipherboy> rustyraptor: yeah exactly. Sorry, it sounded like you were advocating for running everything as root, my bad!
[16:05] <clayton> o wi-fi aparece, mas ao tentar se conectar
[16:05] <clayton> ele não autentica
[16:05] <sapik> what
[16:06] <Ahad> I recently switched from windows to Ubuntu, can anyone tell me that does Ubuntu consumes the same battery when it is in suspended mode as Windows did?
[16:07] <cipherboy> Ahad--sorry not played much with suspend mode, but I would imagine it wouldn't consume that much power....
[16:07] <sapik> pretty much the same i guess
[16:07] <ubuntu-studio> i need thunderbird support
[16:07] <Ahad> cipherboy: i am referring to the sleep mode on the laptop :/
[16:08] <sapik> sleep mode on windows. suspend on linux right
[16:08] <clayton> comunidade portuguesa
[16:08] <DJones> !pt | clayton
[16:08] <Ahad> sapik: yes
[16:08] <jayvi> oh wow this is much better
[16:09] <sapik> i think its pretty much the same Ahad.
[16:09] <DJones> !br | clayton
[16:09] <jayvi> still have some things I need to figure out but just wow
[16:09] <clayton> thank you
[16:09] <clayton> very much
[16:10] <jayvi> okay one HUGE thing on my list of annoyances: how do you put applications onto the desktop? or is that kind of stuff locked too?
[16:10] <Ahad> sapik: ok, so now the thing is i am encountering heating problems on my laptop, how to avoid it?
[16:12] <bazhang> jayvi, right click drag
[16:13] <jayvi> that doesnt work
[16:13] <jayvi> when i right click it just instantly opens up the context menu
[16:14] <sapik> Ahad if its heating problem than maybe installing tlp might work. I don't really know much about this.
[16:14] <cipherboy> Left click drag?
[16:14] <cipherboy> jayvi: ^
[16:15] <jayvi> unfortunately no that doesnt workeither...
[16:15] <clayton> alguem fala portugues aqui
[16:16] <jayvi> when i drag any icon anywhere it instantly flings back to its original place
[16:16] <jayvi> except for files on my desktop that I put there myself.
[16:18] <a1g> hello people
[16:19] <gooberfoob> I have a question about reverse vnc using Vinagre
[16:19] <gooberfoob> I am trying to help a friend that has a media server, when he remotes into his media server he gets a blank screen
[16:20] <a1g> i have a question about libxml2_2.9.0
[16:20] <a1g> on precise
[16:20] <a1g> getting this error
[16:20] <rypervenche> gooberfoob: You might try a different VNC client.
[16:20] <a1g> ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.so.2: version `LIBXML2_2.9.0' not found
[16:20] <Beckett> Hello ?
[16:21] <clayton> alguem fala portugues aqui?
[16:21] <DJones> !pt | clayton
[16:21] <hamidreza> hello !
[16:22] <DJones> clayton: This channel is English language only
[16:22] <Beckett> I have no idea what you are saying, sorry. I only speak english.
[16:22] <a1g> if i look at raring-updates, where the right version does exist, i can't download it because error 404
[16:22] <a1g> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring-updates/libxml2
[16:22] <Beckett> What is the best way to begin Ubuntu development ?
[16:23] <a1g> any possible way we can get this package back on the ubuntu updates server?
[16:23] <DJones> !contribute | Beckett The bot's link should give you a few suggestions on how to help contribute,
[16:23] <Beckett> About to study Software development in Uni. I have above beginner knowledge in Java :)
[16:23] <Beckett> Oh okay. Thanks!
[16:23] <hamidreza> why my second kernel in ubuntustudio(generic kernel) start without mouse and net and start like recovery mode?
[16:24] <a1g> if anyone can help me, would be greatly appreciated, i'm sure other people may have this problem also
[16:25] <hamidreza> can anyone help me, please?
[16:25] <a1g> 404 not found http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxml2/libxml2_2.9.0+dfsg1.orig.tar.gz
[16:25] <a1g> WTH!!!!
[16:27] <Basketball> anyone here good with rtcwake
[16:28] <hamidreza> can anyone help me, please please please ...?
[16:29] <sapik> never use rtcwake. its a wake up program it seems
[16:29] <sapik> i had never use it i mean
[16:29] <Basketball> sapik,  i want my computer to suspend for a certain period of time
[16:29] <Basketball> and then wake
[16:29] <rypervenche> a1g: Why can't you use versino 2.9.1?
[16:30] <sapik> there's auto mode, local mode, and utc mode.
[16:31] <sapik> lemme try Basketball
[16:31] <Basketball> sapik,  http://collabedit.com/akt6e
[16:34] <sapik> so Basketball i manage to get it to wakeup at 10 seconds time
[16:34] <sapik> using command sudo rtcwake -s 10 -m mem
[16:34] <sapik> you need to be admin user
[16:36] <a1g> rypervenche: because the python lxml requires 2.9.0
[16:37] <Istalantar> hey there. I used this - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_Share - guide to make internet available for my raspberry pi, it worked fine for some time, but now it suddenly doesn't, and i didn't change anything (at least not purposely). Ethernet connection is working, i checked that, it must be something wrong with the tunneling i guess ... does anyone know how to fix this?
[16:38] <a1g> I'm just gonna have to try a newer ubuntu version in my vagrant now
[16:38] <ItsAWrap> Anybody who can help me setting up fstab?
[16:40] <deafpool> Hey, everyone. The other night I was installing kdevelop via terminal - sudo apt-get install kdevelop. Later on I was looking through my history, and one line before I noticed the following: 'kdevelop! -s {d07736be-55c1-4791-8ab5-a3b6f0280603}' which I didn't input myself. Does anyone know why it appeared and what it means?
[16:40] <Bashing-om> ItSANgo__: Maybe, What is the issue with fstab ?
[16:41] <a1g> i still don't understand why if a package has page on the ubuntu repo archives that it doesn't exist, i still should be able to download it
[16:41] <rypervenche> a1g: Personally, I would fix the problem (lxml) instead of the symptom (libxml2). But you can check your cache to see if you still have the 2.9.0 package, then install it and then mask it.
[16:41] <a1g> ok, i will try that
[16:42] <a1g> thx rypervenche, i appreciate it
[16:42] <spark_> any one know where bluetooth releated message are at ? because x freeze everytime i pair back my keyboard and mouse
[16:42] <Bashing-om> ItSANgo__: , soory bout the ups ping, itsawrap left I guess in a hurry and I not paying attention to the 'tab' .
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> deafpool  kdevelop is cor c development, so better ask in a c channel, i guess
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> for*
[16:45] <switchtehbeat> what happens if I dual boot win7 and ubuntu but install ubuntu first?
[16:45] <kklimonda> anyone familiar with intel rapid start? would it be possible to use the same partition for IRST and swap?
[16:45] <deafpool> Thanks, MonkeyDust. WIll do.
[16:45] <bekks> kklimonda: Thats a Windows based technology, so the answer is a "no".
[16:45] <sapik> the bootloader will change
[16:46] <switchtehbeat> sapik, ?
[16:46] <sapik> i guess
[16:46] <sapik> i mean no grub2
[16:46] <bekks> sapik: The bootloader will not change. It is a windows based software solution.
[16:46] <switchtehbeat> no one got an answer for me?
[16:47] <Basketball> sapik, come here http://collabedit.com/akt6e
[16:47] <Basketball> bekks,  your good with rtcwake rigjht
[16:47] <switchtehbeat> no one got an answer for me?
[16:47] <sapik> you mean it's not linux way?
[16:47] <waykool99> this new laptop has WD 500 GB drive. why on earth would it use GPT EFI partition instead of MBR?
[16:47] <bekks> Basketball: No.
[16:48] <switchtehbeat> so that's a no then.
[16:48] <bekks> Basketball: Whats your actuall issue besides the assumption it has to do with rtcwake?
[16:48] <bekks> waykool99: Because GPT is the state of the art nowadays.
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> switchtehbeat  then windows will ruin your grub
[16:48] <kklimonda> bekks: not really, it does work with linux
[16:48] <bekks> sapik: Intel Rapid start is a Windows way.
[16:48] <Basketball> bekks go to the website and see
[16:48] <bekks> Basketball: Go to which website?
[16:49] <Basketball> bekks, come here http://collabedit.com/akt6e
[16:49] <Bashing-om> switchtehbeat: In that case when Wndows is installed, Windows over writes the boot code, and ubuntu can not be booted 'till ubuntu's boot code is (re-)installed {same same hard drive, right ?} .
[16:49] <bekks> Basketball: What will I see there?
[16:49] <Basketball> bekks,  what i am trying to do
[16:50] <sapik> it's allright either way. use livecd to fix the grub after that.
[16:50] <bekks> Basketball: Why dont you just tell us what you are trying to do?
[16:50] <Basketball> Sunday-Thursday: Suspend at midnight until 6 am the next day.
[16:50] <Basketball> Monday-Friday: Wake at 6 am and suspend at 7 and wake back up at 3 pm
[16:50] <Basketball> Friday-Saturday: Suspend at midnight until i manually wake it up by pressing keyboard
[16:50] <_unreal_> well my fix for wifi worked on a second computer that was a DELL and has a broadcom wifi
[16:51] <waykool99> ok. thank you bekks. i'll use gparted, delete partitions, use GPT in Testdisk, attempt to correct the drive errors and re-install Ubuntu.
[16:51] <switchtehbeat> Bashing-om, lubuntu won't detect my windows install that's why I asked. could I fix grub if I install ubuntu then windows?
[16:51] <Basketball> I want this loop only when school is in session i.e. not fall break or holidays
[16:51] <Basketball> bekks,  ^
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> switchtehbeat  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[16:52] <Bashing-om> switchtehbeat: IF ubuntu does not detect Windows, I have to assume there is indeed a problem - somewhere - . what results from terminal command -> sudo update-grub <- ?
[16:53] <switchtehbeat> Bashing-om, will try
[16:53] <switchtehbeat> MonkeyDust, ?
[16:53] <waykool99> never thought i'd see the day MS would use brute force BIOS to block Linux installs.
[16:53] <rypervenche> a1g: Check PM
[16:53] <sapik> ms are nasty
[16:54] <wert> Is it OK if I install Adobe Flash in Ubuntu 14.04?
[16:54] <sapik> yeah it's ok
[16:55] <expunge> wert: what sapik said
[16:56] <wert> I mean the Adobe Flash player from the Adobe's website
[16:57] <expunge> wert: it can theoretically work, but it's the wrong way to go about it
[16:57] <expunge> wert: what browser do you want it for?
[16:57] <sapik> yeah. there's a terminal command for that.
[16:58] <bekks> !flash | wert
[16:58] <expunge> wert: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[16:58] <Basketball> bekks,  did you see waht i posted
[16:58] <bekks> Basketball: I did.
[16:58] <Basketball> bekks, ..
[16:58] <wert> expunge: For Mozilla
[16:59] <expunge> wert: you took too long =P the link explains either
[16:59] <expunge> s/either/whichever/
[17:03] <sapik> hey where do you guys got that ! command for this chat?
[17:05] <Basketball> sapik,  can you please help me
[17:05] <jacob___> HI
[17:05] <jacob___> what is tghe name of ubuntu explorer
[17:06] <sapik> i'm not that good with that basketball.
[17:06] <expunge> jacob___: 'nautilus'
[17:06] <jacob___> compiz?
[17:06] <jacob___> ok
[17:06] <jacob___> how does nautilus associate file time with an executable?
[17:06] <jacob___> where does it do that?
[17:07] <expunge> jacob___: probably in a dconf or gconf registry
[17:07] <jacob___> where is that?
[17:07] <expunge> #gnome could tell you
[17:08] <expunge> in some awful file somewhere, you're meant to use gconftool, etc.
[17:08] <jacob___> so you will not tell me here? ok, hopping around 5 groups to get one issue solved
[17:08] <expunge> or theoretically you can use xdg-settings
[17:08] <expunge> jacob___: what does it matter?
[17:09] <jacob___> what are you asking expunge ?
[17:10] <jayvi> gahhhhhhh this stupid os! 12 hours now and i still cant even just drag and drop icons to my dash like seriously wtf who made this thing?
[17:10] <expunge> jacob___: what does it matter where the file is
[17:10] <sapik> lol jayvi
[17:10] <jacob___> wot?
[17:10] <mattxtn> sounds like gnome jayvi
[17:10] <cYmen> How do I find out which fonts are available for setting for urxvt in the xresources file?
[17:10] <jayvi> im so upset right now :(
[17:10] <sapik> it's cleaner that way jayvi
[17:10] <yoshua> _____Sexy?Sex
[17:10] <expunge> cYmen: xfontsel
[17:11] <yoshua> ____?Sexy?Sexy
[17:11] <yoshua> ___y?Sexy?Sexy?
[17:11] <yoshua> ___?Sexy?Sexy?S
[17:11] <yoshua> ___?Sexy?Sexy?S
[17:11] <jacob___> expunge: aah yeah coz, i dont have telepathic ability to change to file, i really have to vi it or something so i would need to know WHAT the file actually is
[17:11] <yoshua> __?Sexy?Sexy?Se
[17:11] <jacob___> duuuh
[17:11] <yoshua> _?Sexy?Sexy?Se
[17:11] <unopaste> yoshua you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[17:11] <expunge> jayvi: run app, right click icon, pin
[17:11] <DJones> yoshua: stop that
[17:11] <jayvi> well gnome was working alright for a second but i still couldnt use the desktop in a conventional way
[17:11] <mattxtn> dont use gnome
[17:11] <mattxtn> if thats an issue
[17:11] <expunge> jayvi: conventional?
[17:12] <jayvi> like just put anything I want onto the desktop
[17:12] <yoshua> ______?Sexy?
[17:12] <yoshua> ______?Sexy?
[17:12] <yoshua> ______?Sexy?
[17:12] <jacob___> wtf?
[17:12] <jayvi> I went into the settings and disabled the one click option so at least I found out how to get my right click back but still idk what the deal is like did I install the whole thing wrong or somethigng?
[17:13] <expunge> jayvi: right click, add launcher
[17:14] <cYmen> expunge: What about things that it doesn't display like terminus, droid, monospace?
[17:14] <jayvi> but thats just it i despise this launcher at this point its just always there no matter what and then when I turn it to auto hide I cant get it back! which wouldnt be a problem if I could just get what I wanted on the desktop in the first place lol its like this never ending loop im stuck in
[17:15] <jayvi> or at least put it to the bottom of the desktop but nope. not happening either lol
[17:15] <sapik> have to manually create the .desktop file right
[17:15] <yoshua> jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja http://paste.ubuntu.com/8198679/
[17:16] <jayvi> uhhh i just downloaded the newest ubuntu iso from the website and then unetbootin to create the bootable usb drive then read some random website on "configuring" a few things in the terminal
[17:16] <jayvi> and then I had to go into windows again and use the command prompt to type some weird stuff in
[17:17] <jayvi> guess i probably should have mentioned that im dual booting a windows 8 hp and got sick of that disgusting os and instead of dual booting windows 7 i decided to give ubuntu a try
[17:18] <sapik> so jayvi you want either the bottom application launcher or program shortcut on the desktop?
[17:18] <jayvi> Exactly :)
[17:18] <jacob___> hi
[17:18] <jacob___> when i double clikc a file in nautilus
[17:18] <jacob___> i see it runs this
[17:18] <jacob___> start /ProgIDOpen SumatraPDF <filename>
[17:19] <jacob___> where did /ProgIDOpen come from?
[17:19] <expunge> cYmen: what about them?
[17:19] <cYmen> expunge: Well, I know I have them installed but the are not displayed with this.
[17:19] <sapik> gimme me a second jayvi
[17:19]  * ilk gives sapik
[17:19] <jayvi> thaaaaaaaank you :)
[17:20] <jayvi> in all seriousness though this os looks fantastic and it has capabilities that I know exist that far supercede windows
[17:21] <jayvi> I just need to relearn how to use a computer lol
[17:22] <sapik> the magic is in the terminal jayvi
[17:22] <Moon_Doggy> does anyone know why when copying from ntfs to ext4 that the speed drops
[17:22] <sapik> hey jayvi try installing plank dock
[17:22] <Basketball> sapik, since it is using utc time will it wake up at 6:00 local time like i want it to
[17:23] <jayvi> kk one sec
[17:23] <Basketball> jayvi, plank as in elementary os dock
[17:23] <sapik> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/docky && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install plank -y
[17:23] <sapik> try that command in your terminal jayvi
[17:24] <josePHPagoda> what's the recommended way to set environment variables in 14.04?
[17:24] <sapik> yes i think so basketball
[17:24] <jayvi> so what does that all mean? Im pretty familiar with command prompt but NONE of the terminology used here is a language I recognize >.<
[17:25] <sapik> can you open the terminal jayvi?
[17:25] <jayvi> yeah its installing right now
[17:25] <jayvi> actually it just finished :)
[17:26] <rand> :)
[17:26] <jayvi> should I restart?
[17:26] <expunge> cYmen: what makes you think they're installed
[17:26] <userings> josePHPadoga, depends if you want to set some variables permanent or just temporary?
[17:26] <sapik> yeah do it
[17:26] <jayvi> kk you rock ill be back
[17:28] <josePHPagoda> userings: this is permanent, else I'd just use export on PATH
[17:28] <josePHPagoda> :P
[17:29] <userings> Type the export PATH command in .bashrc file.
[17:30] <userings> From this moment, the new environment variables will be seted when bash starts.
[17:30] <userings> *setted
[17:30] <fokaff> set?
[17:31] <josePHPagoda> userings: from what I read, that won't affect desktop environments though
[17:31] <josePHPagoda> only bash
[17:32] <userings> josePHPagoda, yes, what you want to do at all?
[17:32] <kevin> hi everyone
[17:33] <fokaff> hi! "-)
[17:33] <rand> hi
[17:33] <josePHPagoda> userings: I want the DE to also have access to that PATH
[17:33] <josePHPagoda> not just when I fire up bash
[17:33] <jayvi> yo
[17:33] <userings> What DE it is?
[17:34] <josePHPagoda> kde
[17:34] <sapik> it's not showing up is it jayvi
[17:34] <jayvi> nope lol
[17:34] <sapik> lol yeah i thought so
[17:34] <jayvi> actually though it booted up kinda weird
[17:34] <userings> josePHPagoda, https://userbase.kde.org/Session_Environment_Variables
[17:35] <sapik> how weird
[17:35] <jayvi> when i loaded before into gnome i tried loading gnome cairo dock
[17:35] <josePHPagoda> userings: that's exactly what I was looking for.
[17:35] <userings> " KDE will execute any script it finds in $HOME/.kde/env whose filename ends in .sh, and it will maintain all the environment variables set by them."
[17:35] <josePHPagoda> I searched, but I guess my google fu isn't strong enough :)
[17:35] <jayvi> and there I was able to move the tiles around but it got hella glitchy and tripped out so I logged off
[17:36] <userings> josePHPagoda, first result in Google, actually. :)
[17:36] <jayvi> and when i booted up this time it like retained the icon sizes and stuff on the desktop
[17:36] <jayvi> how do you delete files I cant even figure how to do that >.<
[17:36] <expunge> jayvi: what file do you want to delete?
[17:37] <jayvi> cairo dock
[17:37] <jayvi> the one i downloaded earlier
[17:37] <expunge> jayvi: where'd you download it to
[17:37] <josePHPagoda> userings: what did you search for?
[17:37] <josePHPagoda> I tried kubuntu environment variables
[17:37] <sapik> i think he meant uninstall
[17:37] <josePHPagoda> :P
[17:37] <jayvi> hahahaa i have no idea
[17:37] <josePHPagoda> and a few variations on it
[17:38] <konnorrocks2> hey does anyone host a mumble server on ubuntu?
[17:38] <userings> josePHPagoda, 'kde set environment variables'
[17:38] <expunge> jayvi: neither do we if you don't answer questions
[17:38] <expunge> konnorrocks2: probably someone does
[17:38] <josePHPagoda> and a few variations on it
[17:38] <jayvi> I mean how do you find out
[17:39] <sapik> try sudo apt-get purge cairo-dock -y
[17:39] <josePHPagoda> ah, well, now I have learned to search for just kde, not kubuntu :P
[17:39] <konnorrocks2> well if anyone hosts a mumble server her on ubuntu i have issues seting it up
[17:39] <expunge> jayvi: you tell us
[17:39] <josePHPagoda> thanksa ton userings :)
[17:39] <userings> np :)
[17:39] <jayvi> I cant even run a basic file explorer
[17:39] <jayvi> or at least find one
[17:39] <jayvi> I keep looking for like a "main" file to start in but even that proves futile
[17:39] <konnorrocks2> here is my issue with mumble >>
[17:39] <konnorrocks2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSjxKeCfe4Q&list=UULtL07XLmj8QcPYMEd0pcXw
[17:40] <expunge> jayvi: click on the desktop, hit CTRL+n
[17:40] <expunge> konnorrocks2: your issue is a video?
[17:40] <MonkeyDust> konnorrocks2  for the people witghout GUI, what's in the video?
[17:40] <jayvi> kk
[17:40] <sapik> nice expunge. i didn't know that
[17:41] <Bashing-om> jayvi: OK, What distribution and release are you running ? ( the desk top environment is different ) .
[17:41] <konnorrocks2> the problem i'm having with setting up mumble is i register the superuser password but the superuser does not work in the client
[17:42] <jayvi> Im not too sure what that all means but im running ubuntu 14.04.1
[17:42] <jayvi> or like where can that info be found?
[17:42] <expunge> jayvi: that's what it meant
[17:42] <jayvi> ahh
[17:43] <jayvi> been using computers for over 20 years now and this is my first time using linux ever so my bad if it feels like youre talking to a four yr old lol
[17:43]  * expunge shrugs
[17:43] <expunge> kind of how it feels no matter who I talk to =)
[17:43]  * expunge pets ego
[17:43] <MonkeyDust> jayvi  we were all beginners, once, but drop the lol's please
[17:44] <rand> hehe
[17:44] <jayvi> hahaa
[17:44] <jayvi> yup
[17:44] <sapik> you can't lol here?
[17:44] <odisa> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu 14.04 on an Acer Aspire One, but it's tremendously slow to the point that I fear even Windows was running faster.. would switching to KDE or GNOME (partially) resolve these performance issues?
[17:44] <Bashing-om> jayvi: A great indroduction to using ubuntu : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Trusty  .
[17:44] <expunge> odisa: not using Unity/compiz might
[17:44] <expunge> odisa: or trying another graphics driver
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> sapik  no need to lol, this is the support channel
[17:45] <expunge> odisa: or using an entirely lighter DE, like Xfce or LXDE
[17:45] <sapik> yeah you're right. i forgot
[17:45] <odisa> expunge: that's what thought; it seems compiz is pretty heavy on resources
[17:45] <odisa> expunge: which of those 2 is lighter?
[17:45] <expunge> odisa: LXDE, but you can try either and then the other
[17:46] <jayvi> thx for the link ill def check it out before i spam here again. thanks for all the help my comp would have been in pieces already
[17:46] <odisa> thanks, I'll have a go at that expunge
[17:46] <Damncold> hi all
[17:46] <expunge> hi damn
[17:46] <Damncold> i have a hugh problem, and dont know how to solve .. if i login to my root account on ubuntu xbmc starts automatically and i cant get to the desktop. if i close xbmc i get to the login screen.
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> jayvi  and this http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[17:46] <Bashing-om> jayvi: :D . That is what we do, help.
[17:46] <Basketball> anyone here good with rtcwake
[17:47] <expunge> Damncold: you should be able to choose from available desktop sessions (other than xbmc, if they exist) from the login screen
[17:47] <expunge> Basketball: probably someone is
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> Basketball  ask your question to find out
[17:48] <Damncold> omg thx expunge ... i tried the little white dot at loin screen .. and voila :>
[17:49] <Basketball> hey guys i need help writing a rtcwake that i does the following
[17:49] <Basketball> Sunday-Thursday: Suspend at midnight until 6 am the next day.
[17:49] <Basketball> Monday-Friday: Wake at 6 am and suspend at 7 and wake back up at 3 pm
[17:49] <Basketball> Friday-Saturday: Suspend at midnight until i manually wake it up by pressing keyboard
[17:49] <vl4kn0> What is the optimal FPS reported by glxgears for gaming on linux?
[17:49] <bekks> glxgears performance is useless for gaming, since glxgears is a software renderer only.
[17:50] <drebin01> using irssi, unable to set theme, displaying; Irssi: Error reading theme file
[17:50] <expunge> vl4kn0: optimal is a few hundred/thousand more than what you require, which is around 30
[17:50] <vl4kn0> How do I measure my performance for gaming then?
[17:51] <vl4kn0> glxgears reports: 34224 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6844.776 FPS
[17:51] <bekks> vl4kn0: by starting your game and just look at its performance and wether you are satisfied or not.
[17:51] <expunge> vl4kn0: play a game, if it doesn't bother you, success
[17:51] <expunge> bekks: heh
[17:51] <bekks> vl4kn0: glxgears is pretty much useless, it doesnt use any hardware capabilities.
[17:52] <vl4kn0> fair enough
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> what's this site with all the benchmarks, i forget the name ...
[17:52] <expunge> uselesssite.com ?
[17:53] <expunge> pseudoscience.org ?
[17:53] <josePhoenix> Hi all
[17:53] <expunge> hi jose
[17:53] <josePhoenix> I'm trying to set up wpa_supplicant
[17:53] <expunge> josePhoenix: neato
[17:53] <josePhoenix> and I'm not sure how to get the ca_cert file everyone talks about for configuration
[17:53] <josePhoenix> My Mac seems to download it somehow in the negotiation process
[17:53] <josePhoenix> Can I accomplish the same thing with Ubuntu?
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> vl4kn0  it's phoronix.com
[17:55] <bekks> moronix is known for useless benchmarks, indeed.
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> ok, wasnt awaronix
[17:56] <expunge> it's just that most benchmarks are useless whether they're accurate or not
[18:06] <jack_guru> is there any way I can make the firefox icon show notifications on the dock of unity when something is triggered (ex facebook notification)?
[18:06] <jbeez> anyone know roughly how much ram a fresh ubuntu server install will use up?
[18:06] <expunge> jack_guru: sure
[18:06] <expunge> jbeez: all of it
[18:06] <expunge> jbeez: unused ram is wasted ram
[18:07] <jbeez> i ordered an asus chromebox, its a celeron that runs 2gb of ram
[18:07] <jbeez> and im trying to figure out if i really need to add more
[18:07] <expunge> jbeez: the minimum reqs are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Ubuntu_Server_.28CLI.29_Installation but they're largely mere guidelines
[18:07] <expunge> jbeez: depends on what sort of work it'll be doing
[18:07] <jbeez> PHT
[18:08] <jack_guru> expunge: is it an addon or something else I should do?
[18:08] <jbeez> thx expunge for the link
[18:08] <bekks> jbeez: you'd need to replace the processor and add more RAM. I've used that thing for ten minutes, and it was horribly slow.
[18:08] <expunge> jack_guru: probably be work, but you might check the GNOME extensions DB
[18:09] <jbeez> bekks: used it how, in a gui?
[18:09] <expunge> yes, because things that computers did a decade ago as servers can't possibly be done with 2GB of RAM...
[18:09] <bekks> jbeez: It is hardware. I sat in front of it, and used it.
[18:10] <gr33n7007h> does any one find the in ubuntu 14.04 unity you have to keep the mouse down a couple of secs to drag things?
[18:10] <jack_guru> expunge, you mean gnome shell extensions?
[18:10] <expunge> jack_guru: yup
[18:10] <jack_guru> I don't think they are compatible with unity
[18:10] <odisa> thanks expunge, LXDE seems to have solved my issues for now :)
[18:10] <expunge> jack_guru: that's another matter
[18:11] <expunge> odisa: well done
[18:11] <jbeez> bekks: did you use it for PHT?
[18:11] <bekks> jbeez: What is "PHT"?
[18:11] <jbeez> plex home theater, you basically open the chromebox and put it in dev mode, wipe it and just install a bare ubuntu server install, then put a few packages on for plex and let'er rip
[18:12] <jack_guru> expunge, well, when I was on gnome shell and I was receiving something, the window would blink. Same with KDE. On unity it just won't notify
[18:13] <jack_guru> also I could not find something on google
[18:14] <ironhulk> Anyone now why Ubuntu keeps telling my update information is out of date, but every time I check it says software is up to date and even after restart still not changing
[18:14] <jabagawee> after i tried to resume from hibernate, i got only a black screen where no ctrl-alt-fx commands would do anything, subsequent reboots also lead to the same screen. i'm in recovery mode now, so how do i make the next boot a fresh boot instead of a resume from hibernate?
[18:14] <Basketball> harris.sh: line 139: warning: here-document at line 26 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `EOF')
[18:14] <Basketball> harris.sh: line 26: deborphan: command not found
[18:15] <jack_guru> ironhulk, have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade?
[18:15] <ironhulk> not yet will give it a go now
[18:15] <bekks> ironhulk: Try running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:15] <rand> bekks, we used to use glxgears to test opengl and that capability of the graphics card, are you saying that's not correct?
[18:16] <bekks> rand: Correct. It does not test any hardware capabilities at all, glxgears is softwareonly. It tests software capabilities of the graphics driver.
[18:17] <rand> that doesn't make sense
[18:18] <bekks> rand: It perfectly makes sense. glxgears does not use any capabilities requiring hardware capabilities, but software capabilities only.
[18:20] <eeee> jabagawee: try to boot into recovery mode
[18:20] <eeee> i think it uses noresume in the cmdline
[18:20] <eeee> jabagawee: hold shift while booting > advanced options > recovery
[18:20] <jabagawee> i'm in recovery mode now
[18:21] <eeee> ok
[18:21] <eeee> did you boot it ?
[18:21] <jabagawee> oh boot from recovery mode
[18:21] <jabagawee> i dropped myself to a root terminal
[18:21] <eeee> yeah
[18:21] <jabagawee> hang on
[18:22] <superlou> On a default apache install, /var/www is owned by root:root.  Is it bad to chgrp /var/www to www-data?
[18:22] <rand> ok bekks
[18:22] <jabagawee> hm, i'm not sure if it hung, but the line is stuck at "Stopping Read required files in advance [ OK ]"
[18:23] <ironhulk> bekks, jack_guru, thanks seems to have worked but had to restart....will see if it persists
[18:23] <jack_guru> ironhulk, glad we could help :)
[18:24] <eeee> jabagawee: ?
[18:24] <jabagawee> it's just.. stuck
[18:25] <eeee> jabagawee: reboot, press e to edit the grub menu
[18:25] <jabagawee> kay, i'm there
[18:25] <eeee> add noresume after where it says quiet splash
[18:25] <eeee> then execute it
[18:26] <jabagawee> same black screen ><
[18:26] <uRock> Hi all. How do I kill Ubuntu Software Center when it is failing to finish installing something? I was trying to install Wine and I have an error in notifications, but can't get it to start the repair process because it still shows Wine as installing.
[18:26] <eeee> hmm
[18:26] <jabagawee> is it safe to delete this file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[18:27] <jabagawee> and then run update-initramfs?
[18:27] <bekks> jabagawee: Why do you think deleting that file will change something?
[18:27] <jabagawee> because from what i can tell, this is what describes the uuid of the swap partition to resume from
[18:28] <eeee> jabagawee: in the black screen, can you press ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[18:28] <jabagawee> nope
[18:28] <bekks> jabagawee: And whats the actual issue?
[18:28] <jabagawee> hibernated, now i only boot to a black screen, even when i add the noresume kernel option
[18:29] <bekks> jabagawee: And why do you think deleting that named file will change that behaviour?
[18:29] <bekks> jabagawee: It's like "oh, that car doesnt start, lets shoot one window."
[18:30] <jabagawee> i was hoping it'd be more like "oh i closed that road now the car will be forced to take another"
[18:30] <jabagawee> but you're right, that's not a smart move, since i definitely don't know what that would do
[18:30] <jabagawee> what do you suggest?
[18:30] <eeee> i think you can swapoff, mkswap, then update-initramfs -u
[18:30] <Basketball> how can i install deborphan in 12.04
[18:30] <eeee> not sure if it's ok though
[18:31] <eeee> i think something else is wrong though, dunno
[18:31] <bekks> jabagawee: Can you still boot normally, after powering off your notebook?
[18:31] <jabagawee> it's a desktop, but i don't know how to boot normally. a cold start goes straight to the black screen
[18:31] <eeee> !find deborphan
[18:31] <bekks> !nomodeset | jabagawee
[18:32] <trattore450> ciao a tutti
[18:32] <trattore450> !list
[18:32] <Basketball> eeee,  it says no package or whatever
[18:32] <jabagawee> thanks for the tip, just gave it a shot, but i'm still at blackscreen
[18:33] <eeee> Basketball: sudo apt-get install deborphan
[18:33] <eeee> !info deborphan
[18:33] <jabagawee> to be sure, adding boot parameters is just typing them in and hitting f10, right?
[18:33] <eeee> do you have universe enabled?
[18:33] <Basketball> eeee,  i did
[18:33] <eeee> ^^
[18:33] <trattore450> ciao a tutti
[18:33] <interweb> Hi , I was using with my mouse and after a reboot its red light shows but can not move the pointer . What's the problem
[18:33] <interweb> ?
[18:34] <eeee> interweb: try to unplug and plug back in
[18:34] <bekks> interweb: change batteries?
[18:34] <interweb> bekks, I uses cables to connect to my Laptop
[18:34] <interweb> eeee, I've done that and rebooted for several times and nothing happend
[18:35] <eeee> Basketball: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[18:35] <eeee> jabagawee: yes, you add and execute
[18:35] <jabagawee> in that case, nomodeset and noresume both do not work (tried separately)
[18:36] <eeee> drop to root shell then
[18:36] <jabagawee> alright done
[18:36] <eeee> cat /var/log/syslog
[18:37] <TJ-> jabagawee: The black screen, does it happen directly after GRUB hands over to the kernel, or do you see a splash screen for a while?
[18:37] <jabagawee> no errors, just some dhcp stuff and a "will run cron jobs soon"
[18:37] <jabagawee> TJ-: direct
[18:37] <interweb> eeee, bekks , Can't I use command line to see what is its problem
[18:37] <eeee> interweb: no idea, you can use xev to see the input
[18:37] <eeee> and xinput to see other stuff
[18:37] <TJ-> jabagawee: How many monitors does the system have?
[18:38] <Basketball> eeee,  idk it running the script screwed up my computer i cant open software center
[18:38] <jabagawee> TJ-: two
[18:38] <jabagawee> i've booted the system fine many times until this most recent one, which came directly after a hibernate, but do you think the multimon could be a cause?
[18:39] <interweb> eeee, Nothing changes while using xev
[18:39] <TJ-> jabagawee: I'm just trying to reduce the possible issues we might need to investigate. Before the hibernate, had there been any system updates, such as kernel or the X server video drivers, that you know of?
[18:39] <jabagawee> none
[18:39] <bekks> Basketball: Running which script?
[18:40] <TJ-> jabagawee: Any recent changes to the system configuration (not user config) ?
[18:40] <jabagawee> none
[18:40] <jabagawee> no apt upgrades between last good boot and this current broken one
[18:41] <TJ-> jabagawee: Ideally we need to see a log in these circumstances.  Have you tried booting with an older kernel from the GRUB menu?
[18:41] <Basketball> sapik, since it is using utc time will it wake up at 6:00 local time like i want it to
[18:41] <jabagawee> there are no older kernels in my grub menu
[18:41] <Basketball> bekks, this is the script http://pastebin.com/G855Dfha
[18:41] <TJ-> jabagawee: That solves that! which Ubuntu release and architecture is it?
[18:42] <jabagawee> latest x64
[18:42] <TJ-> jabagawee: 14.04 Trusty?
[18:42] <bekks> Basketball: Is that your script, or did someone else wrote it?
[18:42] <Basketball> bekks,  someone helped me write it it is made for my pc
[18:42] <TJ-> jabagawee: You've got a Recovery root shell I think? What does "uname -r" report ?
[18:42] <Basketball> harris.sh: line 139: warning: here-document at line 26 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `EOF')
 <Basketball> harris.sh: line 26: deborphan: command not found
[18:44] <jabagawee> lemme boot into root real fast
[18:45] <expunge> Basketball: apt-file
[18:45] <TJ-> jabagawee: You're on a different PC for IRC I assume?
[18:45] <jabagawee> yeah
[18:45] <jabagawee> also everything just started working
[18:45] <jabagawee> ....
[18:45] <TJ-> jabagawee: haha!
[18:45] <TJ-> jabagawee: I usually have that effect :p
[18:45] <jabagawee> haha
[18:45] <jabagawee> i moved that resume file to /root
[18:45] <jabagawee> as a backup
[18:46] <jabagawee> update-initramfs'ed
[18:46] <jabagawee> and then rebooted
[18:46] <TJ-> jabagawee: so it was resuming, despite "noresume" on the kernel command line?
[18:46] <jabagawee> yeah
[18:47] <jabagawee> bekks, eeee, TJ-: thanks for all you guys' help
[18:48] <jabagawee> you're all great people
[18:49] <TJ-> jabagawee: before you go, maybe you can help me understand why that happened - it might need fixing
[18:50] <jabagawee> i actually still don't know why it happened
[18:50] <jabagawee> :/
[18:50] <Guest67428> ПИЗДА ПИЗДА 228!
[18:51] <TJ-> jabagawee: When you added "noresume" to the kernel command-line, via GRUB, did you add it at the end of the "linux ..." line?
[18:51] <Guest67428> ЭИ
[18:51] <Guest67428> ХУИСАСЫ
[18:51] <Guest67428> ВЫ ЧО БЛЯ
[18:51] <hyw> you people still using ubuntu
[18:51] <Guest67428> ПИДОР СУКА
[18:51] <eeee> !rs | Guest67428
[18:51] <jabagawee> yeah
[18:51] <jabagawee> and then i hit f10
[18:51] <Guest67428> ЧО ТЫ БЛЯДЬ
[18:52] <Guest67428> Хуй
[18:52] <Guest67428> Пизда
[18:52] <Guest67428> Джигурда
[18:52] <eeee> !ru | Guest67428
[18:52] <bekks> Thats macedonian.
[18:52] <TJ-> Guest67428 ве молиме запрете овој канал е само за поддршка
[18:53] <LucasTT> can anyone send me a pastebin of your google chrome desktop file?
[18:53] <Guest67428> Сяп
[18:54] <Guest67428> Спасибо
[18:54] <Guest67428> Но всё равно иди нахуй
[18:55] <pavlos> !ru | Guest67428
[18:55] <bekks> Guest67428: Слушаат проклетство.
[18:55] <TJ-> Guest67428: Гэты канал прызначаны толькі для падтрымкі англійскай мовы, вы можаце паспрабаваць # Ubuntu-ру, калі вы таксама гавораць па-руску.
[18:55] <bazhang> -ru
[18:57] <Fauzruk> Is there a way on ubuntu to get a elementaryOs feel?
[18:57] <Fauzruk> I mean in terms of layout
[18:57] <eeee> !poland | Guest67428
[18:57] <Guest67428> Блядь, я понял, нахуй иди
[18:57] <bekks> eeee: He is talking in the macedonian language, not polish language :)
[18:58] <LucasTT> Fauzruk, i think you could try using the pantheon DE
[18:58] <eeee> bekks: no idea, his IP points to minsk, and google says the official language was Polish, thought to give it a shot
[18:58] <OerHeks> !mk
[18:58] <bekks> eeee: Minsk is in the Ukraine.
[18:58] <Fauzruk> That seems to be exactly what I'm looking for LucasTT, thanks
[18:59] <LucasTT> np
[18:59] <OerHeks> #ubuntu-mk -  Macedonia
[18:59] <eeee> !macedonia | Guest67428
[18:59] <eeee> never thought i'd see the day ubottu failed
[19:01] <eeee> bekks: must be a different minsk?
[19:01] <eeee> said the country code was BY
[19:02] <eeee> i think Belarus ? not sure
[19:02] <bekks> eeee: Oh, I'm sorry. Minsk is in Belarus, and polish is not the official language there.
[19:02] <eeee> bekks: yeah it said at some point it was, so just gave it a shot
[19:02] <bekks> I didnt ment to open up another territorial conflict in th that regian ;)
[19:02] <eeee> hehe
[19:06] <Guest67428> hey, i'm from Belarus :D
[19:06] <Guest67428> And.. I'm not well speak in english, but will understand what you say ^^
[19:06] <Guest67428> Sorry, guys :)
[19:07] <OerHeks> np Guest67428  have fun
[19:07] <logy> hey guys i need help, how to put win 7 iso to usb (unetbootin cant recognize ntfs usb)
[19:08] <OerHeks> logy,  maybe you need to format it to fat32, better ask in ##windows
[19:09] <logy> OerHeks not, it
[19:09] <nicholas_> I would like to install a mail server to recive email (not send) what should I search for?
[19:09] <logy> OerHeks no fat32, install gets error
[19:09] <logy> Do you know any other software than unet?
[19:10] <bekks> logy: you need to ask ##windows on how to create a windows bootable usb media, I'm afraid.
[19:10] <switchtehbeat> why is my lubuntu install not reconizing windows?
[19:10] <bwaxxlo> Hi All, how do I increase my linux drive size through gparted?
[19:10] <bwaxxlo> I can only view the partition and increase/decrease my windows partition but linux size remains stuck
[19:11] <bwaxxlo> I'm booting from a USB linux image if it helps
[19:11] <famaz> logy> here you are: http://www.windows7.pl/forum/index.php/topic,1415.0.html
[19:12] <shadaloo> hi friends. i have noticed that when i leave transmission running over night, many times i will come back and the program will not be running
[19:12] <famaz> logy> this page is in polish, but some printscreen may hgelp
[19:12] <shadaloo> any ideas?
[19:12] <shadaloo> is ubuntu stopping my process when the screen becomes locked?
[19:12] <MonkeyDust> shadaloo  if there are no seeders, nothing continues
[19:13] <shadaloo> MonkeyDust: no that is not it
[19:13] <shadaloo> the entire program is closed
[19:13] <shadaloo> with plenty of seeders
[19:14] <delinquentme> SOOOO Is there any way I can sort out what kind of memory I CURRENTLY have running in my ubuntu laptop without yanking off the keyboard and checking out the physical stick?  Also does it actually matter to have matched brands of ram ?
[19:14] <shadaloo> is there some way to 'safelist' a program to keep it running?
[19:14] <bekks> delinquentme: look at the output of "free -m"
[19:14] <delinquentme> I kinda just need more memory  -- would I be safe to just check the type of DDR on the ram and buy another stick to shove in it?
[19:14] <bazhang> delinquentme, what does dmidecode say
[19:14] <shadaloo> Beldar: my transmission is closing when i go to sleep, any idea how to ensure it continues to run?
[19:15] <bekks> delinquentme: And yes, it matters to have matching types of memory.
[19:15] <OerHeks> delinquentme, sure, lshw should tell
[19:15] <switchtehbeat> why is my lubuntu install not reconizing windows?
[19:16] <delinquentme> bazhang, https://gist.github.com/carlcrott/6a18afc495ebfd1649d9
[19:17] <OerHeks> delinquentme, sudo dmidecode --type 17
[19:17] <shadaloo> hrmm
[19:17] <delinquentme> Maximum Capacity: 16 GB  <<<???
[19:17] <shadaloo> well i needed to switch to a different client anyway
[19:17] <delinquentme> does that mean this machine will handle 16gb of ram??!
[19:18] <delinquentme> I might go buy this today >_<
[19:18] <delinquentme> https://gist.github.com/carlcrott/6a18afc495ebfd1649d9
[19:18] <delinquentme> manufacturer : samsung?
[19:18] <OerHeks> max adressable memory = ram + videoram+cpu cache + hdd cache
[19:18] <delinquentme> PWEH!
[19:19] <delinquentme> OerHeks, it looks like it supports up to 16GB! http://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-thinkpad-t430-2344-14-core-i7-3520m-windows-7-pro-64-bit-8-gb-ram-500-gb-hdd-series/specs/
[19:19] <delinquentme> Ohhh craapppppp
[19:19]  * delinquentme happy
[19:19] <bekks> delinquentme: That will be expensive.
[19:20] <delinquentme> bekks, I thought RAM is typically cheap
[19:20] <delinquentme> but it also depends on size / type / speed
[19:21] <bekks> delinquentme: About 2x 90€.
[19:21] <delinquentme> oh still though.
[19:21] <delinquentme> SODIMM DDR3 matched 8gb RAM << is the search string I want right?
[19:22] <bekks> delinquentme: No. "PC3-12800 8GB" - you need two S0-204 DIMM.
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> delinquentme  iirc, ls -lh /proc/kcore tells you how much RAM your machine can allocate (theoreticaly)
[19:23] <Beldar> switchtehbeat, Can you pastebin sudo parted -l
[19:23] <delinquentme> bekks, hmmmm all Im seeing is stuff for desktops
[19:24] <delinquentme> MonkeyDust, root root 128T Aug 31 12:23 /proc/kcore
[19:24] <bekks> delinquentme: so search for "PC3-12800 S0 204"
[19:24] <switchtehbeat> sudo parted -1?
[19:24] <Beldar> switchtehbeat, small L
[19:24] <daskdt> I have a 17 inch laptop screen, a processor, and 5gb of ram. Anyone know a DIY I could do using all of that hardware?
[19:24] <delinquentme> new egg is returning nothing ( suprising? )
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> daskdt  how is that ubutu related?
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu*
[19:25] <daskdt> It's not, but I know lots of people on linux also know those types of things
[19:25] <bekks> delinquentme: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239697&cm_re=PC3-12800_204_8GB-_-20-239-697-_-Product
[19:25] <bekks> delinquentme: There you go...
[19:26] <switchtehbeat> Beldar, what does it do? I'm on windows right now, also. lubuntu is not installed. I want to dual boot win7/lubuntu but it won't recoize any parition or windows 7 :(
[19:26] <bekks> delinquentme: Or even more results: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=PC3-12800+204+8GB&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[19:26] <Beldar> switchtehbeat, Than why did you say your lubuntu install? Boot the lubuntu live so we can woek from there
[19:27] <Beldar> work*
[19:27] <delinquentme> ok wow so LOTS of choices then
[19:27] <switchtehbeat> because i can't install it because it doesn't reconize windows :S
[19:27] <bekks> delinquentme: And remember, you need 2x 8GB to get your 16GB.
[19:27] <delinquentme> ja
[19:28] <bekks> delinquentme: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=PC3-12800+204+16GB&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[19:28] <delinquentme> bekks, haha yeah we updated the same for search :D
[19:28] <delinquentme> so at this point its " do more research on whos the companys ram to go with "
[19:28] <Beldar> switchtehbeat, Right it helps if you are clear and are on the live, trying to give info for a person whom is lost to is like try.ing to memorize a song after playing once
[19:29] <switchtehbeat> Beldar,
[19:29] <switchtehbeat> okay
[19:29] <switchtehbeat> but....
[19:29] <switchtehbeat> this is doing my nut in!
[19:29] <switchtehbeat> so boot the live cd now?
[19:30] <Beldar> switchtehbeat, Is this process gonna take 5 posts each time just to get to the instructions I gave already?
[19:31] <Beldar> free help here I have limited patience is all others have higher
[19:32] <Guest42154> A quick question: I met a problem on apache2 someone can help me feature ?
[19:32] <MonkeyDust> Guest42154  ask and wait
[19:33] <Guest42154> ok thanks
[19:33] <daskdt> IRC usually adheres to don't ask to ask, just ask and someone will assist you when they can
[19:34] <Guest42154> I recently installed apache, and I'd like to know how to run it, test for php
[19:34] <delinquentme> bekks, Should I be worried that the prices im paying online are comparable to those for Best Buy  ??
[19:34] <delinquentme> or is RAM really that cheaply / evenly distributed ?
[19:35] <daskdt> newegg ram prices are usually very acurate
[19:35] <MonkeyDust> Guest42154  do some book reading, follow tutorials etc
[19:35] <bekks> delinquentme: I dont see a reason to be concerned about cheap prices.
[19:35] <daskdt> unless you buy some cheap (in a bad way) offbrand
[19:36] <daskdt> Guest42154: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-test-php-installation-with-a-phpinfo-page/
[19:37] <delinquentme> daskdt, yeah that was my worry.  I checked on new egg and also a big package store out here and they're really similar
[19:37] <daskdt> delinquentme: how much for how much ram
[19:38] <bekks> daskdt: 150$ for 16GB S0-204 PC3-12800
[19:38] <delinquentme> daskdt, PNY 2*8gb laptop ram PC3-12800
[19:38] <delinquentme> yeah $143 at best buy
[19:39] <daskdt> thats about right for 16gb
[19:40] <Guest42154> daskdt: Ok, thank you for your answer, but I think I misstated my question. I am trying to create a website with php file thus. I just need to see if it works on the browser
[19:40] <daskdt> Guest42154: http://php.net/manual/en/tutorial.firstpage.php
[19:40] <daskdt> ?
[19:42] <Beldar> since when was support on ram issues other than when broken
[19:43] <Beldar> take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:45] <san> hi!
[19:45] <userings> Hi.
[19:47] <blackangelpr> hi all can some one tell me how to upgrade grub from live cd i used my ssd  on usb for a while  until i finish fixing my old laptop now the laptop bios see the ssd but do not boot :( had try boot repair without luck :(
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[19:50] <blackangelpr> ups
[19:52] <ideas> #ubuntu.at
[19:53] <ideas> #ubuntu-at
[19:54] <daskdt> blackangelpr: http://askubuntu.com/questions/145241/how-do-i-run-update-grub-from-a-livecd
[19:55] <emx> i compiled a kernel and for some reason i can't get my logitech unified receiver working. i do have hidraw, hiddev and the module for the receiver selected but no sign of life (dmesg line that is). any ideas? do i need to select something specific in input device support section?
[19:57] <daskdt> is it a usb device?
[19:57] <daskdt> exm ^
[19:58] <marby188> hello
[19:58] <jayvi> how do i install the latest version of ubuntu tweak (8.7)?
[19:58] <marby188> somebody know how i can access my lamp server over local network from a windows computer?
[19:59] <Beldar> jayvi, There is a ppa look there
[19:59] <jayvi> i thought I used the ppa but I think somewhere along the line I did it wrong
[19:59] <blackangelpr> daskdt, thanks
[20:00] <daskdt> jayvi: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak
[20:00] <jayvi> thank you
[20:00] <Beldar> jayvi, 8.7 is not the latest, what ubuntu release are you running?
[20:00] <daskdt> jayvi: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak --update
[20:00] <jayvi> im running 14.04
[20:00] <Busserl> marby188: what do you mean exactly?
[20:01] <blackangelpr> found this one seems more detailed http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[20:01] <jayvi> still pretty new to ubuntu so my only knowledge comes from the user manual you guys and google so far
[20:01] <Beldar> jayvi, 8.8.1 is in the ubuntu tweak ppa trusty build
[20:01] <marby188> Busser1: i have a lamp server installed on my ubuntu computer, from there i want to browse a page i have created on the local network
[20:01] <daskdt> jayvi: is it broken? you could --remove all
[20:02] <marby188> Busser1: the other machine is a windows 7 computer
[20:02] <jayvi> ahh
[20:02] <Beldar> daskdt, You need to check your apt-get commands
[20:02] <jayvi> im still pretty new to the whole command line as far as doing things on my own so Im not too sure how to go about doinganything specific
[20:02] <daskdt> marby188: if your windows computer is on the local network you should be able to just navigate to the IP address
[20:02] <Busserl> marby188: you should try entering the ip of the ubuntu server
[20:03] <marby188> yes, i've done that, wich is 10.0.0.26, but it only works on the local machine
[20:03] <Busserl> marby188: http://10.0.0.26/ as URL in the browser only works locally?
[20:04] <zykotick9> marby188: is this a VM?  is your win7 box getting a 10.x.x.x ip address (i'd guess not).
[20:04] <marby188> Busser1: yes
[20:05] <marby188> zykotick: sorry, what is a VM? :p
[20:05] <jayvi> i got it to work thx yo
[20:05] <Busserl> marby188: Weird, check the port setting on the webserver, maybe it is not 80. Also check if a firewall is blocking.
[20:05] <blackangelpr> router port fowaring
[20:05] <Busserl> marby188: firewall on the server, I mean
[20:06] <zykotick9> marby188: your lamp install box?  that 10.0.0.26 sounds like it might be a VM natted IP address
[20:06] <marby188> Busser1: i know, it feels weird, i've checked that it listens to port 80 in apache2.conf
[20:06] <Busserl> zykotick9: 10.x.x.x is a valid private range
[20:07] <jbeez> rfc1918
[20:07] <zykotick9> Busserl: sure, but is you win7 in that same range?
[20:07] <Busserl> marby188: Well if your browser debugger doesn't help, you could try looking at the IP packets with tcpdump or wireshark
[20:07] <darkangel> Is Ubuntu Forums a place to Post things that are coming to Ubuntu that 1 is currently Developing?
[20:08] <Busserl> zykotick9: My box is on the range my ISP's router is, my former ISP used that range instead of 192.168.0.x
[20:08] <Nero_> hello amigos!!
[20:08] <marby188> Busser1: maybe i've got a firewall on the server, i've though not installed any
[20:09] <Nero_> ssup niggas!
[20:09] <marby188> Busser1: are there any by default?
[20:09] <zykotick9> Busserl: well, if both machines have a 10.x.x.x then that's fine - good luck.
[20:09] <Nero_> join #ubuntuforums
[20:09] <Busserl> marby188: Not sure, sorry. Have you tried telnetting to port 80 from the win machine?
[20:09] <blackangelpr> Nero_, hola , hi, priviet , ni hao :)
[20:09] <Busserl> zykotick9: I hope they are. :)
[20:10] <marby188> Busser1: sorry, don't know what that mean :P
[20:10] <Busserl> marby188: First, does the browser say, it times out?
[20:10] <marby188> Busser1: yes
[20:10] <Busserl> marby188: can you ping it?
[20:11] <Froodle> (14.04) When I click on the Files icon in the launcher, I open a new window instead of switching to the currently open window.  It works normal on any other application, even across workspaces but not the Files icon.  Also, the Files icon has a red background when it's open (the icon itself is white and blue).  Can anyone help?
[20:11] <daskdt> marby188: telnet 10.0.0.26 80
[20:11] <Busserl> marby188: unfortunately windows doesn't install telnet by default, it is available though.
[20:11] <marby188> Busser1: i pinged it from cmd and it timed out
[20:12] <Nero_> ikonia Hope you are in good health !
[20:12] <bekks> marby188: Is your Ubuntu running in a VM?
[20:12] <marby188> bekks: it's installed on side of windows
[20:12] <bekks> marby188: What does that mean?
[20:12] <daskdt> inside of windows marby188?
[20:13] <bekks> marby188: How did you install it?
[20:13] <marby188> daskdt: not inside of windows
[20:13] <Nero_> he means "beside"
[20:13] <marby188> bekks: from usb
[20:13] <bekks> marby188: And currently you are in Windows?
[20:13] <Nero_> blackangelpr ssup?
[20:13] <marby188> bekks: yes, on the other computer
[20:13] <bekks> marby188: ah ok.
[20:14] <marby188> Busser1: do i need telnet?
[20:14] <Busserl> marby188: can you ping your internet router?
[20:14] <bekks> marby188: which IP does the Ubuntu computer have, which one does the computer you are at currently have?
[20:14] <Busserl> marby188: no, you have no network connection at all.
[20:14] <marby188> Busser1: yes, 192.168.1.1 responds
[20:14] <daskdt> marby188: try in cmd ping http://10.0.0.26
[20:14] <blackangelpr> Nero_,  trying to upgrade grub on my  ssd without sucess :( i dont want to re install ubuntu :(
[20:14] <blackangelpr> update
[20:15] <Busserl> marby188: well, ubuntu is on a different network
[20:15] <Guest42154> Someone could tell me what is a web root folder? I create a folder for listed different php page html and css; is that right ?
[20:15] <Nero_> blackangelpr what's the issue?
[20:16] <daskdt> blackangelpr: is the SSD mounted?
[20:16] <userings> Guest42154, search for 'public_html' or 'www' folders on the server.
[20:16] <marby188> Busser1: i can though browse the xampp setup i have in the windows machine on the ubuntu machine
[20:16] <Busserl> marby188: I don't get your setup, you say both are real PCs on the same LAN?
[20:16] <blackangelpr> Nero_, used my ssd on the house computer as usb until i repair my old laptop but now can not boot :P the driver is mounted on  mnt /sda1 but the binding process mentioned on http://askubuntu.com/questions/145241/how-do-i-run-update-grub-from-a-livecd   do not work since there is no dev sys and proc on mnt
[20:16] <marby188> Busser1: yes
[20:17] <zykotick9> !xampp | marby188
[20:17] <bekks> marby188: If they are on the same LAN - why do they have addresses from different networks?
[20:18] <marby188> bekks: interesting, i'll have another look on that
[20:18] <daskdt> blackangelpr: what partition is your ubuntu install on for your SSD
[20:18] <blackangelpr> here is some information   http://paste.ubuntu.com/8192171/
[20:18] <bekks> marby188: 10.0.0.x and 192.168.1.x are different networks.
[20:18] <captain_haddock> Hi, anybody familiar with ufw?
[20:19] <daskdt> blackangelpr: sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt in your case
[20:19] <marby188> bekks: that's probably right
[20:19] <marby188> bekks: how did you know that just looking at the ips?
[20:19] <zykotick9> daskdt: blackangelpr warning /dev/sda is the drive - NOT a partition
[20:20] <blackangelpr> daskdt,  a;readu mounted
[20:20] <Nero_> blackangelpr have you run sudo mount /dev/sda/mnt ?
[20:20] <blackangelpr> yes
[20:20] <Nero_> what was the outcome/
[20:20] <bekks> marby188: 10.x.x.x is a class A network, while 192.168.1.x is a class C.
[20:21] <blackangelpr> mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /mnt busy
[20:21] <blackangelpr> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt
[20:21] <marby188> bekks: how do you see that?
[20:21] <blackangelpr> little bit confusing XD
[20:21] <bekks> marby188: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address#IPv4_addresses
[20:21] <Nero_> Have you created a boot partition?
[20:21] <zykotick9> blackangelpr: note, it's sda1 that's mounted at /mnt
[20:22] <captain_haddock> Anybody?
[20:22] <captain_haddock> I've a script that makes multiple ssh calls to my server to perform tasks. This is triggering ufw's rate limit. How do I disable or adjust it?
[20:23] <Guest72939> Hi, how do I know that the .iso I downloaded from ubuntu.com is safe? I followed the md5sum tutorial and everything came out ok
[20:23] <Nero_> captain haddock
[20:23] <bekks> Guest72939: So it is "safe".
[20:23] <Guest72939> but how do you know when using open source software that it is safe
[20:23] <daskdt> Guest72939: then its safe
[20:23] <FreeNow> guest72939 define "safe"
[20:23] <Guest72939> I mean,, couldn't anyone just change the code?
[20:24] <Nero_> captain haddock http://serverfault.com/questions/368523/rate-limiting-with-ufw-setting-limits
[20:24] <FreeNow> guest72939 and if it was a malicious change then anyone could remove it
[20:24] <Guest72939> FreeNow: ahhhh
[20:24] <FreeNow> guest72939 unlike with closed source software, where you can't remove malicious changes even if you know they exist
[20:24] <arooni-mobile> i accidentally dropped my WD external hard drive.  its in a fat32 format.  how can i run a check via ubuntu 14.04 to see the structural integrity of the data/drive?  thanks!
[20:24] <blackangelpr> zykotick9,  Nero_ ,  so i am trying to mount the usb with live ubuntu again LOL ?   EFI its on the ssd /dev/sda1
[20:24] <daskdt> Guest72939: open source is more often "safer" than closed source because anything suspicious would be pointed out by the users and no one would use the software and no, if you download from an official source (website, or software center) no one is plotting evil
[20:24] <Guest72939> FreeNow; but couldn't it have a secret key logger? that way no one would know
[20:25] <Guest72939> who would be using it that is
[20:25] <bekks> Guest72939: It will be noticed that the source has been changed.
[20:25] <FreeNow> guest72939 no, anyone could remove the keylogger if they saw the change
[20:25] <Guest72939> Ahhh I see
[20:25] <Nero_> guest72939  when the md5 checksum is intact. there's nothing you should worry about.
[20:25] <Guest72939> I get it
[20:25] <zykotick9> blackangelpr: sorry, i know nothing of EFI.  best of luck!
[20:25] <FreeNow> guest72939 :)
[20:25] <blackangelpr> thanks zykotick9
[20:25] <eeee> Guest72939: closed source is open source at some point
[20:26] <FreeNow> guest72939 if you start installing proprietary software on your linux machine, then you don't know
[20:26] <eeee> if you get what i mean
[20:26] <FreeNow> eeee um, no
[20:26] <daskdt> blackangelpr: that link i sent you should work but you need to use sda1
[20:26] <jatt> arooni-mobile: there is ntfsfix check the man page for details
[20:26] <elementary-site4> harris.sh: line 139: warning: here-document at line 26 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `EOF')
[20:26] <captain_haddock> Nero_: Thanks. That solution seems to involve hacking /lib/ufw/user.rules. Is this really kosher?
[20:26] <FreeNow> eeee "open-source" doesn't just mean the source is available
[20:26] <piglit> what is the command line command to see what is connected to the local pc?
[20:26] <OerHeks> arooni-mobile, testdisk maybe, i would use ubcd
[20:26] <eeee> FreeNow: i mean to say closed source is also written by people, then distributed as closed source
[20:26] <daskdt> blackangelpr: if the linnk i sent doesn't work please let me know at which step you run into an issue
[20:26] <elementary-site4> OerHeks:  harris.sh: line 139: warning: here-document at line 26 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `EOF')
[20:26] <FreeNow> eeee yes but that doesn't mean it goes from open-source to closed-source
[20:26] <Nero_> captain haddock is it solved?
[20:26] <blackangelpr> daskdt,  already try but when try to bind the dev sys and proc are not found
[20:26] <Guest72939> FreeNow: So I can be confident that the version of ubunut I installed today ( that passed the md5sum check) is safe to use and not going to steal my passwords etc?
[20:27] <captain_haddock> Nero_: It also states that this is for 10.04. Any changes for 14.04?
[20:27] <eeee> FreeNow: Santa clause doesn't have his elfs build windows magically.
[20:27] <OerHeks> elementary-site4, stop that script please, thanks
[20:27] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, you would not use ntfsix?
[20:27] <FreeNow> guest72939 correct
[20:27] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, and why testdisk over ubcd
[20:27] <elementary-site4> OerHeks:  what do you mean?
[20:27] <FreeNow> eeee i know, but that doesn't make windows at any point open-source
[20:27] <eeee> FreeNow: it was a matter of speech
[20:27] <FreeNow> eeee ok
[20:27] <daskdt> eeee: but its not correct in any way
[20:27] <captain_haddock> Nero_: Trying now. But I'd just as well simply use iptables if I'm going to have to do stuff like this.
[20:27] <arooni-mobile> to be fair i can see all the current files on it
[20:27] <OerHeks> arooni-mobile, ntfs-fix for fat32?
[20:27] <FreeNow> open-source, shared-source, and closed-source are all terms that refer to the user/developer relationship
[20:28] <FreeNow> and they all have specific definitions
[20:28] <Nero_> captain haddock you basically need to limit the rate, or disable it.
[20:28] <eeee> daskdt: i'm referring to the logic of Guest ... i get that it doesnt make sense
[20:28] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, im guessing ntfs-fix doesnt support fat32
[20:28] <Nero_> how can i stop seeing these 'has joined in", "has logged out" here?
[20:28] <Nero_> whats the command?
[20:28] <FreeNow> nero_ what irc client
[20:29] <blackangelpr> daskdt, so i should reinstall? :(
[20:29] <daskdt> eeee: sorry i thought he nickchanged to you
[20:29] <eeee> daskdt: as he seems to think if it's open source then a keylogger could be there vs closed source cant
[20:29] <eeee> get it ?
[20:29] <daskdt> yes i thought you weere him
[20:29] <pavlos> Nero_, right click on the channel, settings, hide messages
[20:29] <eeee> np :)
[20:29] <Guest72939> FreeNpw: If someone makes a change in the code, it might take days for someone to sport the error, right?
[20:29] <FreeNow> eeee the opposite is true lol
[20:29] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, i'm sorry its in NTFS
[20:29] <eeee> FreeNow: i know! :D
[20:29] <darkangel> Hey i got a question... is Ubuntu Developers and workers cruel?
[20:29] <FreeNow> guest72939 yes but new ubuntu releases take months
[20:30] <marby188_> to you guys i was talking to recently: thank you, i got it working now, my computers had connected to different routers on the wlan
[20:30] <FreeNow> guest72939 so the code is evaluated before being released
[20:30] <marby188_> thank you very much :)
[20:30] <zykotick9> !quietirssi | Nero_ if you happen to be using irssi ;)
[20:30] <Nero_> I got it.
[20:30] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, so is ntfs-fix safe to run?  im reading some stuff online that it corrrupted data
[20:31] <bekks> arooni-mobile: Without a backup, there is no such tool which is "safe" to run.
[20:31] <FreeNow> guest72939 open-source software is by nature better for your privacy because you know what it is doing because the source code is available and can be changed if need be
[20:32] <FreeNow> guest72939 with closed-source/proprietary software there can be many privacy problems (Windows is an example that comes to mind, and every other piece of software identified as part of PRISM)
[20:32] <Busserl> marby188_: nice :)
[20:33] <OerHeks> arooni-mobile, the fastest way to be sure that your files are good, is to copy them :-)
[20:33] <Guest72939> FreeNode: ahhh ok
[20:34] <Nero_> guest72939 your question has diverse answers! And you don't seem to come to terms of the fact that open source is authentic and developed by people who value time and technology beyond their prima insignia 'life'.
[20:34] <arooni-mobile> OerHeks, i mean mostly there is just a lot of movies/music etc
[20:34] <calinda> @FreeNow Weeell, you potentially could find out what it is doing. But we all know how trusting in someone checking the source code lead to the OpenSSL disaster...
[20:35] <FreeNow> calinda that's a good point but companies should have been putting more money into it if they were so dependent on it
[20:35] <calinda> Absolutely true!
[20:36] <TJ-> I think the larger benefit of using Open Source is that someone else's priorities can't prevent you from implementing bug-fixes or feature improvements, if you need them
[20:37] <OerHeks> no security through obscurity
[20:37] <zykotick9> arooni-mobile: i honestly would run ntfs correction stuff from gnu/linux... but i'm conservative... YMMV
[20:37] <zykotick9> s/would/wouldn't/
[20:38] <Nero_> I told you guys. its diverse!
[20:38] <OerHeks> ubcd is the safest way and open source, if you do not have a copy of windows
[20:39] <Guest72939> How about server mirrors, when I downloaded the iso it was from a mirror not from ubunut.com
[20:39] <Nero_> md5checksum, boy !
[20:40] <OerHeks> !mirrors
[20:40] <Guest72939> what if the person hosting the mirror  changed the iso, and changed the m5sum, I would never know and they could be snooping on me
[20:40] <eeee> Guest72939: if the md5sum is the same as the official one you should be ok, i think
[20:40] <guest2535> Hi
[20:40] <Nero_> eeee yes! I totally agree with you!
[20:41] <bekks> Guest72939: Then dont use mirrors but only official websites. And/or compare the official md5 sum with the mirrors' md5sum.
[20:41] <Nero_> Guest72939 I suggest you have a low understanding on md5 checksum. read !
[20:41] <rww> (official MD5 list is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes )
[20:42] <OerHeks> Tes, there are sites that offer ubuntu with a different name, mint, elementary and such
[20:42] <OerHeks> tes=yes
[20:42] <Nero_> md5 checksum isn't a beanstalker's grape fruit that's colored orange. the whole point in coming up with the md5 checksum is to make sure the release is authentic and untampered.
[20:43] <zykotick9> Nero_: NO don't suggest reading about md5!  that'll add to the problem ;)  md5 is broken, and quasi-deprecated...
[20:43] <Nero_> zykotick9 and you expect the guest user would get it? now?
[20:43]  * rww sighs
[20:44] <running_rabbit07> If you are that paranoid, build a monitoring system like this one to see what is going through your network. http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Firewall-and-Intrusion-Detection-Syst/?ALLSTEPS
[20:44] <Guest72939> Well even the ubuntu website states that it has been broken
[20:44] <bekks> Guest72939: Then use SHA-256 instead. And the above still applies. :)
[20:45] <rww> md5 is broken in the sense that it's less non-trivial than it should be to find some input that hashes the same as your ISO. getting "some input" to be something that 1) will boot, and 2) is malicious, is pretty much impossible
[20:45] <arooni-mobile> hey everyone i have a NTFS external hard drive that ubuntu 14.04 isnt letting me write to.  however looks like its mounted rw; /dev/sdb1 on /media/david/HardDriveArooni type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)... ideas?
[20:47] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, Might need a chkdsk, that a fstab notation?
[20:48] <Guest72939> I suppose nothing secure really. I mean when you buy a windows PC is usually comes installed with a windows OS who knows who could have tampered with that
[20:48] <elementary-site4> harris.sh: line 139: warning: here-document at line 26 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `EOF') harris.sh: line 26: bad substitution: no closing "`" in `
[20:48] <zykotick9> rww: <OT> i was going to point out tails as only offering sha checksums, but turns out they use signed gpg now </OT>
[20:48] <bekks> Guest72939: And thats totally unreleated to Ubuntu support. :)
[20:48] <eeee> Guest72939: the question is, why would someone want to snoop on a random person anyways
[20:48] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, its a NTFS drive.  but on  the command line i can run the cp command and it works;  it appears its just nautilus
[20:49] <Guest72939> eeee: true
[20:49] <Guest72939> eeee: well they could use your machine as a bot
[20:49]  * Beldar has a tin hat that vibrates at A 440
[20:49] <rww> actual Ubuntu support here, tin-foil hat discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, ta
[20:50] <running_rabbit07> Guest72939, Did you see my last post? Set that up and catch someone in the act, if you are worried about your system being used as a bot or being snooped upon.
[20:50] <Guest72939> Just interested guys
[20:50] <Guest72939> thanks for allowing me to pick your brains
[20:52] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, Not really sure your issue, however if you have no windows computer involved nor need a ntfs I would make it a linux ext partitioning, NTFS has issues requiring chkdsk's on occasions if read by linux.
[20:52] <rww> elementary-site4: pasting some warning message into the channel with no context when you're not even using Ubuntu is not going to get you anywhere in #ubuntu, fyi
[20:52] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, im gonna boot up a windows xp comp
[20:52] <arooni-mobile> as a VM
[20:55] <awildmouse> has appeared.
[20:56] <Guest72939> How do you stop unity from search the web everytime you search for an application
[20:56] <Guest72939> ?
[20:56] <rww> Guest72939: System Settings -> Privacy, there's an option in there
[20:56] <Guest72939> cool!
[20:59] <chz> I accidently deleted all the desktop entries in /usr/share/applications/,  is there a easy way to get them back
[21:01] <Beldar> chz, accidently?
[21:04] <Nero_> wtf is wrong with some people here? they keep changing nicks like TV channels when you know the satellite's dead a decade ago !
[21:05] <Guest-66679> lots of ppl have this channel bookmarked but dont really use it unless they need something
[21:05] <SchrodingersScat> !language | Nero_
[21:05] <rww> Nero_: once every 10 or 20 minutes doesn't seem like something to get unhappy about...
[21:07] <chz> Beldar: Yes, being stupid, put a line in Makfile, and didn't recheck the whole file
[21:13] <chz> Any one here??
[21:14] <pax2you> hello!
[21:14] <FreeNow> hi pax2you and chz
[21:15] <Nero_> yes
[21:15] <pax2you> it's quite now
[21:16] <SthNotTaken> I've been spending time with a rijx instance. I am using 14.04-64 bit and I can't seem to be able to configure anything
[21:17] <SthNotTaken> "ls" shows nothing
[21:17] <SthNotTaken> except for the result of "php setup/cli/manage.php deploy --setup /var/www/htdocs/osticket/"
[21:19] <SthNotTaken> I've successfully installed phpmyadmin but I can't find it on the server.
[21:20] <SthNotTaken> I fllowed this (but didn't make it to step 4) https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-14-04
[21:20] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: How did you install phpmyadmin?
[21:21] <Psil0Cybin> Why I am asking is that usually, I place the folder within /usr/share/nginx/www, if i am using nginx obvviously and it just works, I do not need to install anything for it..?
[21:21] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: apt-get install phpmyadmin
[21:22] <SthNotTaken> I'm trying to navigate through ubuntu. I only have 1 folder
[21:22] <SthNotTaken> 1 folder total when I hit "ls"
[21:22] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: okay question, once installed did you already have Apache, Nginx? or something similar installed?
[21:22] <SthNotTaken> apache2-v
[21:23] <SthNotTaken> reports Apache/2.4.7
[21:23] <Psil0Cybin> do you have /etc/phpmyadmin ?
[21:23] <SthNotTaken> like I said... I only have /osTicket-1.8
[21:23] <SthNotTaken> and I'm currently in there... and I can't go 'back'
[21:23] <Psil0Cybin> are you in the terminal?
[21:23] <SthNotTaken> I suppose I could close and re-open
[21:23] <SthNotTaken> yes
[21:24] <Psil0Cybin> okay type this "cd /etc/phpmyadmin/"
[21:24] <SthNotTaken> I thought "cd.." brings me up
[21:24] <ikonia> Nero_: is there a reason you keep randomly highlighting me ?
[21:24] <Psil0Cybin> cd .. does bring you up.
[21:24] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: that worked. I'm not in /etc/phpmyadmin
[21:24] <Psil0Cybin> Sorry you are not in /etc/phpmyadmin?
[21:24] <SthNotTaken> I'm now in*
[21:24] <Psil0Cybin> okay, perfect
[21:25] <Psil0Cybin> okay now since you have that folder/files there...we are on the right track
[21:25] <Nero_> ikonia yes. Your service to this community is impeccable ! I salute !
[21:25] <Psil0Cybin> what we need to do now is modify Apache2, so that it loads phpmyadmin
[21:25] <ikonia> Nero_: can you please stop randomly hilighting me.
[21:25] <Psil0Cybin> so what you are going to do is type "sudo nano /etc/apache2/apache2.conf"
[21:25] <dylanm312> Hi all, I have a question when you have a minute
[21:25] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: let me know when you are in that document.
[21:25] <blackangelpr> dylanm312, just ask :P
[21:25] <SthNotTaken> I have opened it
[21:26] <Nero_> ikonia ok. i wouldn't randomise you! My apologies !
[21:26] <Psil0Cybin> now SthNotTaken type at the bottom, "Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf"
[21:26] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: after you did that , type "sudo service apache2 restart"
[21:26] <Nero_> ikonia am i forgiven?
[21:26] <dylanm312> Ok so I have a server running 12.04 server (14.04 wouldn't install for some reason) and although it pings fine, apt-get commands don't work
[21:26] <dylanm312> In addition, service network start results in network stop/waiting
[21:27] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: now you can do "youripaddress/phpmyadmin."
[21:27] <Psil0Cybin> after you restart apache2 :D
[21:27] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: I followed what you said, now it works
[21:27] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: Good :D
[21:27] <dylanm312> Anyone have a guess as to why I can't access the internet?
[21:27] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: I also need to add osTicket the same way, yes?
[21:27] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: with linux, installing a program is often not enough it is the small configurations that do not actually get made, that you have to get your hands dirty for :D
[21:27] <ikonia> dylanm312: does not your network card have an ip address ?
[21:28] <SthNotTaken> apache2 needs to load OSTable in the same way?
[21:28] <dylanm312> It does
[21:28] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: Let me double check, never used osTicket, but I will help you get it running today :D
[21:28] <ikonia> dylanm312: what is the ip address
[21:28] <dylanm312> there's a lot
[21:28] <dylanm312> one sec
[21:28] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: You're a lifesaver
[21:28] <ikonia> dylanm312: there should only be one
[21:28] <dylanm312> wlan0 output of ifconfig:
[21:28] <ikonia> don't paste it in here
[21:28] <SthNotTaken> osTicket information: http://paste.ee/p/9oIT3
[21:28] <ikonia> use a pastebin
[21:29] <dylanm312> Good idea
[21:29] <ikonia> SthNotTaken: please don't spam
[21:29] <Psil0Cybin> SthNotTaken: Haha, this channel is the real life saver...I was in ur same boat like a few months ago annoying everyone here, :P Warnings like crazy, but you learn man that is why i love Linux :D and everyone here.
[21:29] <SthNotTaken> ikonia: sorry?
[21:29] <TJ-> chz: This will reinstall all the packages that install files to "/usr/share/applications/":  "sudo apt-get --reinstall install < <(dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/ | sed 's/\(.*\): .*/\1/') "
[21:29] <ikonia> SthNotTaken: my apologies, read the wrong paste
[21:30] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: I spent a few hours installing "nano". It's 5:30AM here. It's less painful now and a little more 'interesting'
[21:33] <genoobie> hey all having a bit of a problem with my wireless
[21:33] <genoobie> it looks like the adapter is "up" but cannot find any networks
[21:33] <genoobie> nothing blocked in rfkill
[21:33] <blackangelpr> guys i am trying to fix my grub from live cd so anyone knows why  this is happening:  root@ubuntu:~# sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev/
[21:33] <blackangelpr> mount: mount point /mnt/dev/ does not exist
[21:34] <SthNotTaken> Psil0Cybin: I installed osTicket-1.8 before according to lines 45/46 on the paste above. This is what I got afterwards: root@scrapy2:~/osTicket-1.8
[21:34] <ikonia> blackangelpr: does it exist ?
[21:34] <blackangelpr> ikonia, seems not dont know why
[21:34] <ikonia> blackangelpr: because you've not made it
[21:34] <SthNotTaken> I'm not sure what the "~" stands for. I believe I can re-install the software in 'var/osTicket-1.8' and then try to find the .config file and add it to apache
[21:34] <blackangelpr> ikonia, its the original ssd ubuntu boot drive
[21:34] <ikonia> blackangelpr: yes ?
[21:34] <dylanm312> ikonia here is the pastebin of my ifconfig output
[21:35] <dylanm312> http://pastebin.com/dTTznZhb
[21:35] <blackangelpr> http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/installrecover-grub-from-linux-live-cd.html
[21:35] <ikonia> blackangelpr: and ?
[21:35] <blackangelpr> do 14.01 use something different ?
[21:35] <ikonia> no
[21:35] <blackangelpr> hum so
[21:35] <blackangelpr> ?
[21:35] <blackangelpr> why i do not have that folders already on mnt?
[21:35] <ikonia> blackangelpr: I don't understand whats the issue ?
[21:36] <ikonia> blackangelpr: because /mnt has no directories in by default
[21:36] <dylanm312> ikonia did you see my pastebin output?
[21:36] <ikonia> blackangelpr: thats why the guide you are not following correctly tells you to make the directory
[21:36] <ikonia> dylanm312: yes, looks good
[21:36] <dylanm312> pings work fine too
[21:36] <Felix12> hola
[21:36] <ikonia> dylanm312: ping what ?
[21:36] <dylanm312> ping google.com
[21:36] <ikonia> dylanm312: so what's the issue then ?
[21:36] <dylanm312> ping is the only thing that works
[21:36] <blackangelpr> Felix12, hola
[21:36] <dylanm312> everything else that needs internet just times out
[21:37] <dylanm312> also, when i do service networking restart, i get this:
[21:37] <dylanm312> stop: Unknown instance:
[21:37] <dylanm312> networking stop/waiting
[21:37] <ikonia> dylanm312: reboot your workstation, lets look at the machine from a clean boot
[21:38] <dylanm312> i already did that a million times
[21:38] <ikonia> re-read what I said
[21:38] <dylanm312> ok i can reboot it if you want me too but i already tried that
[21:38] <ikonia> this is not to fix it - this is to look at the machine from a point where you have not been messing with it
[21:38] <dylanm312> OH clean boot right
[21:39] <dylanm312> how do you do a clean boot again?
[21:39] <ikonia> yes
[21:39] <ikonia> thats why I've just asked you to reboot
[21:39] <dylanm312> so just reboot normally or do i have to go into recovery mode or something?
[21:39] <ikonia> just normally
[21:39] <dylanm312> ok i did that
[21:39] <dylanm312> and i logged in
[21:40] <blackangelpr> ikonia, even if i create it the sudo chroot /mnt     outputs root@ubuntu:/mnt# sudo chroot /mnt
[21:40] <blackangelpr> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[21:40] <ikonia> ok, if you open a browser and try to see google.com - what happenes
[21:40] <dylanm312> i'm running ubuntu server
[21:40] <ikonia> blackangelpr: a.) why are you root b.) why are you using sudo with root
[21:40] <chz> TJ-:  Thank you, although I am not in Ubuntu/Debian, but you give me a solution,  I'll figure out what programs put their desktop entries in /usr/share/applications/ and then reinstall them..
[21:40] <dylanm312> so everything is cli
[21:40] <dylanm312> and i don't have a browser in it
[21:40] <blackangelpr> ikonia,  good question sorry i am sleepy
[21:40] <ikonia> dylanm312: so what are you trying to do
[21:40] <dylanm312> i'm trying to run apt-get update successfully
[21:40] <ikonia> blackangelpr: you're not following the guide very well - do this when you are not sleepy
[21:41] <dylanm312> and apt-get upgrade, apt-get install, etc. etc.
[21:41] <ikonia> dylanm312: what is the eror you get ?
[21:41] <blackangelpr> okay i will go to sleep see you later guys
[21:42] <dylanm312> it says "Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com ([some ipv6 address]) Connecting to security.ubuntu.com ([ipv6 address])"
[21:42] <dylanm312> and it hangs
[21:42] <dylanm312> i'm sure if i left it long enough it would timeout
[21:42] <SthNotTaken> my apt-get update gets The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
[21:42] <ikonia> dylanm312: so you said "nothing works" - do you actually mean apt isn't working
[21:42] <ikonia> dylanm312: or do you mean other things are broken
[21:43] <dylanm312> well the networking service refuses to start
[21:43] <k1l_> SthNotTaken: which ubuntu is that?
[21:43] <ikonia> it's already started
[21:43] <SthNotTaken> k1l_: 14.04
[21:43] <dylanm312> no it isn't
[21:43] <ikonia> dylanm312: it is - that's how you're on the network
[21:43] <dylanm312> if i run service networking start i get networking stop/waiting
[21:43] <ikonia> dylanm312: if it wasn't started you wouldn't be on the network
[21:43] <ikonia> dylanm312: why ar eyou running networking start on a running service ?
[21:44] <dylanm312> even if i stop it and then start it it still says networking stop/waiting
[21:44] <ikonia> dylanm312: us.archive.ubuntu.com  has no ipv6 addresses on it
[21:44] <ikonia> dylanm312: why are you stopping/starting services for no reason
[21:44] <dylanm312> it isn't for no reason
[21:44] <dylanm312> it's because i'm trying to figure out why apt-get isn't working
[21:44] <ikonia> why then ?
[21:44] <ikonia> so lets be clear
[21:44] <dylanm312> and why the networking service isn't starting
[21:44] <dylanm312> or doesn't appear to be starting
[21:44] <ikonia> the internet "is" working - you just can't use apt-get
[21:45] <ikonia> so you're randomly trying to stop/start /start services
[21:45] <k1l_> SthNotTaken: hmm, can you try to switch to the main servers? maybe your local mirror got some issue
[21:45] <dylanm312> ok
[21:45] <dylanm312> i see your point
[21:45] <dylanm312> so how do i go about fixing my apt-get problem
[21:45] <SthNotTaken> k1l_: W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com trusty Release: ... then the words that I wrote before
[21:45] <ikonia> dylanm312: I suggest you check your dns/name servers as us.archive.ubuntu.com has no ipv6 addresses
[21:45] <dylanm312> and why does the networking service say it isn't running when it actually is
[21:46] <ikonia> dylanm312 where does the network status say it's not running ?
[21:46] <k1l_> SthNotTaken: please pastebin the whole command and output
[21:46] <k1l_> !paste | SthNotTaken
[21:46] <rww> dylanm312: because there isn't a continuously-running process tied to that service file, it just runs all the network config stuff and then stops (and networking continues working)
[21:46] <dylanm312> oh ok
[21:46] <dylanm312> that makes sense
[21:46] <SthNotTaken> k1l_: http://paste.ee/p/mnj9i
[21:47] <dylanm312> ok my /etc/resolv.conf reads: nameserver 8.8.8.8 [newline] nameserver 8.8.4.4 [newline] nameserver 192.168.1.1
[21:47] <ikonia> dylanm312: who set them to google ?
[21:47] <dylanm312> i did
[21:47] <k1l_> SthNotTaken: see this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/235880/how-to-fix-gpg-in-updater
[21:47] <rww> ikonia: us.archive.ubuntu.com has three AAAA records on it.
[21:48] <dylanm312> i can take that out if you think it will help
[21:48] <ikonia> rww: yes, none of them ipv6
[21:48] <ikonia> dylanm312: why did you set them to google ?
[21:48] <rww> ikonia: ?
[21:48] <SthNotTaken> k1l_: works now, thanks
[21:48] <ikonia> rww: when he does apt-get it resolves to us.archive.ubuntu.com that tries to connect (and fails) to an ipv6 address
[21:49] <dylanm312> because before i set them to google I was getting a bunch of Err: logs when i ran apt-get update and now it says connecting and hangs
[21:49] <dylanm312> idk i thought it would help
[21:49] <rww> ikonia: AAAA is for ipv6 records, and the three records are 2001:67c:1562::15 2001:67c:1562::13 and 2001:67c:1562::14
[21:49] <ikonia> rww: I get no ipv6 records at all
[21:49] <SthNotTaken> ls
[21:49] <ikonia> rww: sorry, I thought you where saying there are 3 A records
[21:50] <dylanm312> so i don't know how i edited it before but now it's overwriting my changes and putting google back in
[21:50] <rww> anyways, point being that it's reasonable for his computer to be resolving to ipv6. I suspect he doesn't, however, have working ipv6 connectivity
[21:50] <rww> dylanm312: does ping6 ipv6.google.com work?
[21:51] <dylanm312> it says unknown host
[21:51] <rww> with ping6 and not ping?
[21:51] <dylanm312> yes
[21:51] <rww> huh.
[21:51] <ikonia> he's on an ipv4 address with no ipv6 routing
[21:52] <ikonia> hence why I didn't understand his ipv6 resolution
[21:52] <ikonia> my ipv4 box shows no ip6 routing, however my ip6 box does
[21:52] <ikonia> (for us.archive.ubuntu.com)
[21:52] <ikonia> (resoluion, not routing sorry)
[21:53] <rww> sounds like broken ipv4/ipv6 dual-stack on his local machine or network
[21:53] <rww> could disable ipv6 completely to paper over it i guess *shrug*
[21:54] <dylanm312> how do i do that?
[21:54] <ikonia> from what he's said (which does contradict itself a bit) there is no ipv6 setup at all, so there should be no ipv6 setup
[21:54] <rww> ikonia: his ifconfig shows ipv6 addresses
[21:55] <ikonia> so it does
[21:55] <ikonia> I totally missed it
[21:55] <ikonia> good spot
[21:55] <rww> why he has Comcast globally-routable ipv6 addresses, I don't know
[21:56] <rww> but then I have yet to upgrade my networking kit at home to support ipv6 so...
[21:56] <OerHeks> dylanm312, is this a hosted server?
[21:56] <dylanm312> no it's at my house
[21:56] <beaug> Hello
[21:56] <rww> dylanm312: for right now, adding http://paste.ubuntu.com/8200675/ to /etc/sysctl.conf should help
[21:56] <dylanm312> i'm sitting right in front of it in fact
[21:57] <Footy> ikonia I had issues recently with ipv6 routing on NTT  it seems it just broken
[21:57] <dylanm312> rww: trying that now
[21:57] <rww> dylanm312: but in the long run you should probably take a look at your network and see what's going on with it
[21:57] <ikonia> Footy ntt ?
[21:58] <beaug> Where do you set time limits on idle login sessions for 14.04
[21:58] <Footy> ikonia they own a bunnch of networks now,   http://www.ntt.com/index-e.html
[21:58] <ikonia> Footy: ipv6 routing works fine here - so I don't think it's "broken"
[21:58] <Footy> I got my DC to route a different way and it worked
[21:59] <Footy> ikonia  you tried a tcptracroute6 to ubuntu ?
[21:59] <ikonia> Footy: not today no
[21:59] <dylanm312> rww: that worked, thanks so much!
[21:59] <dylanm312> wait
[21:59] <dylanm312> it *almost* worke
[21:59] <dylanm312> d
[21:59] <ikonia> Footy: are you saying the ip6 routes to canonical mirrors are broken ?
[22:00] <dylanm312> ok now it looked like i have some kind of GPG signature problem
[22:00] <Footy> they were in one of the US providers
[22:00] <Footy> I reported it but noone seemed to care
[22:00] <Footy> so we bypassed
[22:00] <Footy> apparently been broken for over 6 months
[22:00] <SthNotTaken> my problem so far: http://paste.ee/p/VhV32
[22:00] <ikonia> Footy: ahh they are hosted with the one you say is broken
[22:00] <Footy> ill dig out my post
[22:02] <methodize> Just installed a VPN, how do i connect to my local server? it used to be on 192.168.1.*
[22:03] <jhutchins> methodize: You need to know what that last number actually is.
[22:04] <Footy> ikonia: so nlayer are owned by NTT and they were the ones causing my issues
[22:04] <ikonia> Footy: interesting
[22:04] <Footy> http://hastebin.com/kapewiyaze.avrasm
[22:05] <methodize> jhutchins: ah i do know, it's 7. but i've tried it and it just gives a blank page
[22:05] <Footy> ikonia: do you route via nlayer too?
[22:05] <ikonia> Footy: I don't know, I'll have to look
[22:06] <Footy> ikonia: I coulg get to most of the rest of the web, like google and other places
[22:06] <Footy> ikonia: didnt check the routing to start because you just kinda expect it to work, or if it doesnt its fixed in hours not weeks or months
[22:07] <ikonia> Footy: very interesting
[22:07] <Footy> ikonia: i rpeorted to nlayer, they wdidnt care as i wasnt their customer, my DC didnt care because.... not many ppl use ipv6, they actually told me to use ipv4
[22:11] <arooni-mobile> can't write to a western digital NTFS hard drive on ubuntu 14.04;  chkdsk on windows says the drive is fine.  drive is mounted as rw: /dev/sdc1 on /media/david/HardDriveArooni type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096);  ideas on how to fix?
[22:11] <Footy> ikonia: if your interested my route now goes via layer3
[22:11] <Footy> arooni-mobile have you tried a reboot?
[22:12] <arooni-mobile> Footy, of ubuntu?
[22:12] <ysh> hello, i want to install ubuntu on about 10 odd machines..... what would be best way to do that....?
[22:12] <Footy> arooni-mobile: yup, I see often small disruptions to connectivity make drives RO even throuh they report RW
[22:13] <Footy> arooni-mobile: admitadly this is most common with iscsi and fc
[22:13] <ysh> PS. i m lazy to manually install on each machine
[22:13] <Footy> arooni-mobile: I always reboot as a first point of call these days
[22:14] <arooni-mobile> ok ill give it a shot
[22:14] <tobiasBora> Hello !
[22:15] <tobiasBora> I've a problem : the Bluetooth isn't recognized (I've an error "bluetooth adaptator not found. Please connect one"), do you know how I could activate it ?
[22:17] <beaug> Where do you set time limits on idle login sessions for 14.04,  I see no /etc/timeouts or timeoutd
[22:21] <evil_dan2wik> I need 2 things, Java runtime and libSDL1.2, how do I get these?
[22:22] <Footy> well arooni left, i hope it fixed it for him
[22:25] <arooni-mobile> can't write to a western digital NTFS hard drive on ubuntu 14.04;  chkdsk on windows says the drive is fine.  drive is mounted as rw: /dev/sdc1 on /media/david/HardDriveArooni type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096);  ideas on how to fix?
[22:28] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, Not sure how your mounting but my auto mount of a shared ntfs in fstab is this. /dev/sda3 /mnt/Windows   ntfs-3g   defaults   0   0
[22:29] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, how can i change that ?  /etc/fstab?
[22:29] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[22:29] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, i dont think i ever added an entry for this drive; yet i see one already listed on fstab;  is that from auto mounting?
[22:30] <arooni-mobile> or did i forget that i actually put a line there from befroe?
[22:30] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, You have to add to fstab, mine is not a UUID note.
[22:30] <beaug> Where do you set time limits on idle login sessions for 14.04,  I see no /etc/timeouts or timeoutd
[22:30] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, meaning if there is an entry already in fstab; it means a user added it (me) ; its not auto mounted?
[22:32] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, fstab is an auto mount auto boot scenario, note the OS is there and your swap if you have one. You seem to not know fstab or know if you have been there, what is the end goal here?
[22:32] <Beldar> the addition has to be correct
[22:32] <UserU> hi all
[22:33] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, the drive allows me to read from it; but i cant write to it even though its mounted as rw;  its just an external ntfs drive i use for movies/music etc
[22:33] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, the goal is to be able to write to it from ubuntu 14.04
[22:34] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, im vaguely familair with fstab;  would you recommend changing this entry for the drive?
[22:34] <arooni-mobile>    11 UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=0222,nosuid,nodev       0       0
[22:35] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, If your mount is what you have used it seems to be bad is all, not an area I know a a lot about code wise except to get it correct. If you need a detailed analysis as to why yours is not working I'm not your guy.
[22:35] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, what would i change the fstab entry to to get it working?
[22:36] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, use the one I do and modify it for yours.
[22:36] <Beldar> I got it off the fstab wiki I believe
[22:36] <running_rabbit07> beaug, Settings > Brightness & Lock
[22:36] <Beldar> !fstab
[22:37] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, should start with UUID no numbers in front unless you use /dev/sdXX
[22:38] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, should i unmount the drive first before modifying fstab?
[22:38] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, I would modify and reboot and see if it is rw.
[22:39] <arooni-mobile> i have to reboot?
[22:39] <arooni-mobile> cant i just unmount and unplug the hard drive
[22:39] <arooni-mobile> and plug it back in (its a usb drive)
[22:40] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, fstab is for automounting on boot basically. Even easier would be remove it from fstab and just mount when needed by plugging in or clicking it, again what is the end goal?
[22:40] <html> i had a failed mate gui install.  http://pastebin.com/MxP8ab2R what do i do? i cant remove it or reinstall or install the .deb package.
[22:40] <arooni-mobile> Beldar, goal as i mentioned before is just letting me plug it in on occasion and copy files from my ext4 laptop to my the drive (wd ntfs usb drive)
[22:41] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, Fstab mounts are not a unplug scenario, it is an auto moount, I'm not sure the command to correctly unmount.
[22:41] <eeee> arooni-mobile: you can't write cuz you set umask to 0222
[22:41] <eeee> that's r-xr-xr-x
[22:41] <arooni-mobile> eeee, can i simply remove the fstab entry?
[22:41] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, Than remove the fstab notation and do a reboot and plug when needed.
[22:41] <arooni-mobile> and let it auto mount?
[22:41] <html> !mate | html
[22:42] <eeee> arooni-mobile: it won't auto-mount per say, you'd have to click it in nautilus
[22:42] <html> !mate
[22:42] <Beldar> html, Mate desktop?
[22:42] <kernix> hi all
[22:42] <html> Beldar,  yes
[22:42] <eeee> you could modify the umask if you wanted it to automount
[22:42] <OerHeks> !info mate-desktop
[22:42] <Beldar> html, Was in 14.04's repos.
[22:43] <arooni-mobile> eeee, if i add the correct read/write fstab entry; and then plug the drive in will it auto mount?  i must i restart ubuntu for fstab changes to take affect?
[22:43] <eeee> arooni-mobile: type df , do you see it mounted?
[22:43] <Beldar> arooni-mobile, No, you have just had it mounted through fstab.
[22:44] <html> Beldar,  i am using it on my laptop tried to install for a guide then found out i did it wrong. i had a failed mate gui install.  http://pastebin.com/MxP8ab2R what do i do? i cant remove it or reinstall or install the .deb package.
[22:44] <arooni-mobile> eeee, no i have it unmounted now;  and ive commented out my etry in fstab;
[22:44] <OerHeks> Beldar, cinamon is removed, but will be back in 14.10
[22:44] <eeee> arooni-mobile: ok
[22:44] <eeee> arooni-mobile: do you see it in nautilus?
[22:44] <arooni-mobile> eeee, one sec let me plug it back in
[22:45] <skinux> I have python-gtk2 package installed, but Python is saying pygtk is undefined?
[22:45] <OerHeks> html, did you use a PPA for that?
[22:45] <Beldar> html, Can we see your guide, always paste everything run in a terminal.
[22:45] <arooni-mobile> eeee, yes i can see it in nautilus
[22:46] <eeee> arooni-mobile: ok, just click it to mount
[22:46] <arooni-mobile> eeee, now its mounted with: /dev/sdb1 on /media/david/HardDriveArooni1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[22:46] <arooni-mobile> eeee, weird thing is ; its still not letting me copy to the drive via naitlous
[22:46] <eeee> what happens when you copy in the terminal?
[22:47] <arooni-mobile> eeee, just tested that; works flawlessly
[22:48] <arooni-mobile> how can i copy via nautilous?
[22:48] <eeee> that's odd
[22:48] <html> OerHeks,  yes and Beldar  ok
[22:49] <eeee> when you paste, what happens in nautilus ?
[22:49] <arooni-mobile> eeee, its greyd out
[22:50] <eeee> arooni-mobile: odd, try gksu nautilus /media
[22:50] <arooni-mobile> eeee, ok so that allows me to copy/paste
[22:51] <arooni-mobile> eeee, how can i do that without sudoing nautilus?
[22:51] <Beldar> html, PPA's are a support issue here, mate is in the repos, do a ppa-purge at some point.
[22:51] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | html
[22:51] <kernix> hey all
[22:52] <eeee> arooni-mobile: i have no idea :) ntfs isn't supposed to hold permissions in the first place!
[22:53] <arooni-mobile>  eeee : take a look at this: drwxr-x---+ 4 root  root  4096 Aug 31 18:45 david .... the hard drive is located at /media/david/HardDriveArooni1
[22:53] <arooni-mobile> eeee, so shouldnt i chown /media/david to be david:david ?
[22:53] <arooni-mobile> my user name on ubuntu?
[22:53] <eeee> yeah you could
[22:54] <eeee> btw when you copied in the terminal, it was a root shell?
[22:54] <eeee> ( just trying to add stuff up )
[22:55] <arooni-mobile> eeee, do permissions cascade in linux?  for instance if i have root:root as a parent folder and put a folder david:david inside of it;  which permission wins?
[22:55] <arooni-mobile> eeee, no just a normal terminal
[22:55] <SchrodingersScat> arooni-mobile: you can make a test directory and try that
[22:55] <eeee> arooni-mobile: no, it's only for the folder, you'll have to use -R so it is recursive
[22:56] <html> Beldar,  OerHeks  http://pastebin.com/FNftJQAm
[22:56] <stoopkid> could somebody give me some advice to start me in the right direction with a project i'm working on? I haven't really done anything of this scale before
[22:56] <eeee> arooni-mobile: whoever creates the folder will be the owner
[22:56] <deaddeb> Anyone know how I can have 2 parallel firefox installs and profiles? is there a firefox ppa so I can get another version?
[22:56] <OerHeks> html, yes seen that, maybe the ppa is broken, we don't know. remove that ppa and install mate-desktop, see Beldar
[22:57] <html> Beldar,  how do specially purge mate ppa?
[22:57] <arooni-mobile> eeee, still stumped about why nautilus isnt letting me paste
[22:57] <deaddeb> If you want Mate-Ubuntu, there's Ubuntu-Mate https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[22:57] <stoopkid> i have about 10 slightly old computers, and i'm trying to build a data center out of them
[22:57] <Beldar> html, By reading the link to start with, you added the ppa.
[22:58] <deaddeb> stoopkid: If they're all 64-bit clustering can be done... not much use though
[22:58] <eeee> arooni-mobile: try to mount it manually
[22:58] <eeee> arooni-mobile: press the eject button to unmount
[22:58] <stoopkid> deaddeb why is that?
[22:58] <eeee> then sudo mount /dev/sdxY /mnt
[22:58] <deaddeb> stoopkid: with mixed hardware you're kinda stuck with the lowest common denominator
[22:58] <Beldar> deaddeb, You are incorrect if you want mate and are run'ning 14.04 it is in the ubuntu repos
[22:59] <stoopkid> deaddeb: what do you mean?
[22:59] <html> OerHeks,  i look at some others suggestions and they say to install all the components separately   Beldar
[22:59] <html> OerHeks,  Beldar  yeah and i blindly at that.
[23:00] <deaddeb> Beldar: true, but 14.04 isn't a complete up to date mate, the 14.10 alpha pretty much is, however 14.04 will get support soon via backports
[23:00] <Beldar> html, The web is full of instructions, it is your job to critically think and get good help when needed.
[23:00] <arooni-mobile> eeee, if i mount as sudo i can also copy/paste
[23:00] <Beldar> deaddeb, This is ubuntu support, not your opinion pushing platform for release not supported.
[23:00] <html> OerHeks,  Beldar  i was getting errors left ,right and center with  the standard ubnutu gui[ i forget the  name]
[23:01] <arooni-mobile> eeee, is there a way i can have this auto mounted to be able to copy/paste in nautilus without having to run sudo each time?
[23:01] <arooni-mobile> eeee, perhaps something i can throw in the fstab file?
[23:01] <eeee> arooni-mobile: when you mounted manually, you were able to copy/paste without gksu nautilus?
[23:02] <deaddeb> Beldar: so old unstable good, new unstable bad? might as well direct people to #debian
[23:02] <Beldar> html, We were not there nor what you have done, if you want help you have to be exacting.
[23:02] <arooni-mobile> eeee, when i mounted with this sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/david/testdir
[23:02] <arooni-mobile> eeee, i was able to copy/paste
[23:02] <html> arooni-mobile,  rsynce to a create pration and have it autorun at startup?
[23:02] <eeee> ok
[23:02] <arooni-mobile> eeee, without gksu nautilus
[23:03] <arooni-mobile> html, but its an external usb hard drive
[23:03] <arooni-mobile> i dont always have it plugged in
[23:03] <arooni-mobile> i use a laptop
[23:03] <Beldar> deaddeb, mmm more subjective opinions, is as if you think any one really cares for yours. ;)
[23:03] <html> Beldar,  what ? im confused with your last statement
[23:04] <stoopkid> well, i have several standalone desktops but then i have several extra hard-drives and more ram, and i want to get more recycled computers and just integrate them into the data-center somehow
[23:05] <OerHeks> html, did you use this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:05] <Beldar> html, You have made broad statements with no details I.E. "i was getting errors left ,right and center with  the standard ubnutu gui[ i forget the  name]" this means nothing
[23:06] <stoopkid> i figured i would use linux of some form as the OS to run it, but i don't have any capital to get new computers
[23:06] <html> arooni-mobile,  still rsync is a possibility and i think as the felxibleness to do as you ask.  if your not good with cli then Grsync is th gui version.
[23:06] <deaddeb> Beldar: Mate's devs officially support 14.10 but not 14.04. It's not opinions, it's fact.
[23:06] <arooni-mobile> html, i dont know how i would use rsync to appraoch this problem; doesnt it keep two directories in sync?
[23:07] <arooni-mobile> i  tried this fstab entry which restults in an auto mount when drive is inserted; but same problem no ability to paste via nautilus: UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    ntfs-3g  defaults,windows_names,locale=en_US.utf8  0 0
[23:08] <eeee> arooni-mobile: what's your UID ?
[23:08] <eeee> and GUID
[23:09] <arooni-mobile> UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0; not sure how to find GUID
[23:09] <arooni-mobile> eeee, i also tried with just ntfs;  no change
[23:09] <arooni-mobile> same results
[23:09] <eeee> arooni-mobile: no, your uid and guid, type id
[23:09] <html> arooni-mobile,  yes.
[23:10] <arooni-mobile> uid=1000(david) gid=1000(david)
[23:10] <arooni-mobile> ok gonna try that in the fstab
[23:11] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: This is a really stupid default that most distros currently have, and I haven't found anybody who can justify it.
[23:11] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: That will probably make it writable by your user.
[23:11] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, which default?
[23:11] <Beldar> stoopkid, This is ubuntu support, your questions are not really within that and need a lot of help as you have no idea.
[23:11] <arooni-mobile> so this would be the line then?
[23:11] <jhutchins> To mount removables user read-only
[23:11] <arooni-mobile> 0> 15 UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    ntfs    defaults,windows_names,locale=en_US.utf8  1000 1000
[23:11] <eeee> arooni-mobile:  UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    ntfs defaults,uid=1000,rw 0 0
[23:11] <eeee> add that, it will be writable by you
[23:11] <arooni-mobile> eeee, why not the 1000 ?
[23:12] <arooni-mobile> ahyes
[23:12] <deaddeb> arooni-mobile: do you have the same problem with a different FM?
[23:12] <arooni-mobile> what are the last 0 0 options eeee ?
[23:12] <arooni-mobile> deaddeb, what is a FM?
[23:12] <deaddeb> arooni-mobile: file manager
[23:13] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: This is what I use: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,users,dmask=000,fmask=000 0 0
[23:13] <eeee> arooni-mobile: the last field means fsck won't check the system
[23:13] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: That covers anything that udev labels sdb1.
[23:13] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: I believe the rw,users options cover the user writability.
[23:13] <jhutchins> I just thought of something...
[23:14] <arooni-mobile> deaddeb, havent uesd a different file manage
[23:15] <arooni-mobile> eeee, tried your fstab entry; same problem :\
[23:15] <jhutchins> I think if I add the "user" option that will fix an error I get when I try to mount/umount it.
[23:15] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: You can just leave the last two numbers off.
[23:16] <rootbear> Question for you all.
[23:16] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: You should look at the manpage for fstab and mount.
[23:16] <rootbear> I am trying to install linux mint alongside my Ubuntu setup
[23:16] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Those entries determine how the system will handle fsck on startup.
[23:17] <arooni-mobile> same problem with this one:  UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    ntfs    auto,users,uid=1000,rw 0 0
[23:17] <eeee> arooni-mobile: you could add mount /dev/sdxY /media/Harddrive... to /etc/rc.local i guess, would be an ugly hack though
[23:17] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Since the drive presumably won't be there no option necessary.
[23:17] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Mine works.
[23:17] <rootbear> But I have a problem
[23:17] <eeee> try jhutchins'
[23:17] <Beldar> !MINT | rootbear,
[23:17] <arooni-mobile> ok let me copy that one
[23:17] <deaddeb> rootbear: update grub so you can boot both if it does not automatically let you, no you can't share install partitions, yes you can share swap and home partitions
[23:17] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Adjust the device accordingly of course.
[23:18] <rootbear> Read my mind deaddeb
[23:18] <deaddeb> rootbear: i'm a wizard
[23:18] <vhjersey> ya
[23:18] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, dont i add in ntfs ?
[23:18] <arooni-mobile> instead of auto?
[23:18] <arooni-mobile> so like: UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    auto rw,users,dmask=000,fmask=000 0 0
[23:18] <jhutchins> rootbear: For some reason it usually doesn't add other OSs on the first run in the install.
[23:18] <rootbear> My real question was if I install dual OS do I have to download every program and duplicate all of my files etc?
[23:18] <arooni-mobile> sorry i mean: UUID=5197956C4FE35CD0   /media/david/HardDriveArooni    ntfs rw,users,dmask=000,fmask=000 0 0
[23:18] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: auto should work for ntfs or ext.
[23:19] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Either should work though.
[23:19] <rootbear> It keeps skipping the darn iso disk on boot. I even changed jumpers and bios settings.
[23:19] <arooni-mobile> wow i must have bad luck
[23:19] <arooni-mobile> none of these fstab lines work for me
[23:20] <arooni-mobile> sometimes i love ubuntu
[23:20] <mkanyicy> arooni-mobile: i think its user not users
[23:20] <arooni-mobile> tonight is one of the times i hate it
[23:20] <jhutchins> rootbear: Yes.  They are different operating systems and different programs.
[23:20] <deaddeb> rootbear: why do you want mint? ubuntu has every desktop and package except cinnamon, there's ubuntu kde/mate/gnome/xfce/etcetc.
[23:20] <arooni-mobile> it shouldnt be so hard to connect an external usb hard drive
[23:20] <jhutchins> rootbear: Mixing and matching usually leads to clean reinstall.
[23:20] <mkanyicy> arooni-mobile: as in rw,user,... instead of rw,users,...
[23:20] <deaddeb> rootbear: ok now that's a mint problem
[23:21] <arooni-mobile> mkanyicy, thans but didnt seem to make any chagne :\
[23:21] <rootbear> I've heard a lot of good stuff.
[23:21] <running_rabbit07> deadeb rootbear there is also aa PPA for Cinnamon
[23:21] <rootbear> Live disc isn't launching
[23:21] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: I agree.  Making it default to read-only is just stupid.
[23:21] <deaddeb> running_rabbit07: ah, so ubuntu has EVERYTHING mint has :P
[23:21] <arooni-mobile> i give up
[23:21] <arooni-mobile> i dont know how to make this work
[23:21] <SthNotTaken> The instructions for what I want (osTicket) and the steps I have taken to get it. Current problem: setup doesn't work. http://paste.ee/p/BRovI
[23:22] <rootbear> Ubotto
[23:22] <jhutchins> mkanyicy: user is to allow regular users to mount, users is supposed to make it rw.
[23:22] <arooni-mobile> i guess i need a gksudo natilus
[23:22] <running_rabbit07> everything but the green deadeb
[23:22] <arooni-mobile> when i need to copy stuff via the nautilus system
[23:22] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: That's very dangerous.
[23:22] <arooni-mobile> is there another file system
[23:22] <arooni-mobile> jhattara, why
[23:22] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, why
[23:22] <rootbear> Ubboto
[23:22] <eeee> arooni-mobile: just add it to /etc/rc.local , it is equivalent to you typing sudo mount /dev/sdxY /media which worked
[23:22] <rootbear> Ubotto
[23:22] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: You can change permissions on key files and mess up your home directrory.
[23:23] <html> Beldar, do i have to install ppa-pruge?
[23:23] <jhutchins> rootbear: ubottu is a bot.
[23:23] <rootbear> ! Info bots
[23:23] <rootbear> !Info bots
[23:23] <arooni-mobile> eeee, what do i add to /etc/rc.local
[23:23] <running_rabbit07> rootbear, why are yout trying to talk to the bot
[23:23] <mkanyicy> arooni-mobile: i did not get your problem, i see you want to mount something, but what's the issue?
[23:23] <eeee> arooni-mobile: mount /dev/sdxY /media/Hard...
[23:23] <rootbear> Okay. Screw it.
[23:24] <html> Beldar, if so it fail. this mate gui is not allowing me to install anything or remove anything.
[23:24] <eeee> ( mkdir the folder first )
[23:24] <rootbear> Who knows how to install an operating system in each hard drive in a 2 hard drive sata raid?
[23:24] <deaddeb> I want to have firefox stable AND beta/aurora... how? in windows/macos i simply install both, but on ubuntu all have the same package name, firefox
[23:24] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Apparently you're dealing with gnome's automount, which is why it's working differently,
[23:24] <arooni-mobile> mkanyicy, nautiulus wont let me write to a wd external usb hard drive;  even though the terminal will
[23:24] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[23:25] <running_rabbit07> !raid | rootbear
[23:25] <rootbear> Or. More specifically. Allow me to choose which I want to boot into at startup
[23:25] <arooni-mobile> eeee, will an entry in rc.local work if i already have the laptop booted up then i decide to plug in the hard drive later
[23:26] <eeee> arooni-mobile: nope
[23:26] <mkanyicy> jhutchins is that 'users' a mount option on fstab? also dmask and fmask, are they doing what umask is doing?
[23:26] <eeee> but neither will fstab
[23:26] <arooni-mobile> what a mess
[23:26] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Please read the info on that link.
[23:26] <running_rabbit07> !grub | rootbear
[23:26] <eeee> i think
[23:26] <rootbear> Software raid???
[23:26] <arooni-mobile> bad job gnome auto mount
[23:26] <jhutchins> mkanyicy: My advice was not valid for gnome automount.
[23:26] <jhutchins> mkanyicy: I don't use gnome on that system, so...
[23:26] <netlar> I need help, Google chrome has created some kind of app called "New Tab - Google Chrome"
[23:26] <netlar> How can I get rid of it
[23:27] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Yeah, but that page says exactly how to fix it.
[23:27] <rootbear> Lol I can't even get chrome install to succeed
[23:27] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: You can even start a program when the device is mounted.
[23:27] <eeee> arooni-mobile: go to dash > disks
[23:27] <rootbear> Netlar: you are one step ahead of me
[23:27] <running_rabbit07> netlar, do you mean the little button to open a new tab?
[23:27] <eeee> arooni-mobile: select disk, press on the play button, does it mount correctly?
[23:27] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, whats your suggestion?  im pretty tired and hungry and ive been working on this for an hour already
[23:27] <arooni-mobile> i have th epage open
[23:28] <running_rabbit07> !chrome \ rootbear
[23:28] <netlar> running_rabbit07: yes, it appears to be a new app or shortcut
[23:28] <running_rabbit07> !chrome |rootbear
[23:28] <jhutchins> rootbear: Two drives are either a single RAID array or they're seperate drives.  You might want to install two operating systems to two partitions on a raid.
[23:28] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[23:29] <arooni-mobile> eeee,  id ont know how to acces the disk
[23:29] <arooni-mobile> you mean the start menu ubuntu dash?
[23:29] <running_rabbit07> If it is in the browser, then it is supposed to be there
[23:29] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, id rather not hunt through the whole doc;  what specifically should i change
[23:29] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Step by step instructions - you can either print it off and check off the steps.
[23:29] <eeee> arooni-mobile: yeah
[23:29] <running_rabbit07> If it is in the browser, then it is supposed to be there netlar
[23:29] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Just read it.  It's right at the top.
[23:29] <Beldar> netlar, https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2918032?hl=en
[23:29] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: I gotta go start the grill.
[23:30] <rootbear> Drive 1 my Ubuntu lts. Not looking to mess that up. Drive two is junk files. Nothing I need. I know if I just unplug the sata cable I'll install to the second drive. But then my boot order is just preset to run drive 1 like a "master" Aka read first.
[23:30] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, its not clear to me what you solution is
[23:30] <arooni-mobile> i wish you wouldnt make me feel like i'm trying to solve a riddle
[23:31] <netlar> Beldar: That is not what is happening
[23:31] <rootbear> I just finished bratwurst and beer dinner
[23:31] <Beldar> netlar, Heaven forbid you actually describe it than eh, I looked up your description.
[23:32] <netlar> I will try to take a screenshot
[23:33] <Beldar> netlar, I don't use chrome so give it to the channel is all.
[23:33] <running_rabbit07> netlar, is it the little button beside the current tab?
[23:34] <rootbear> Never mind. I guess community help is harder than google
[23:35] <eeee> arooni-mobile: did u try disks?
[23:35] <arooni-mobile> eeee, i dont know how to access it
[23:35] <eeee> go to the dash and type disks
[23:36] <chucknorris88> any brave souls out there that can help me with enabling mkdir access for a non-home location in VSFTPD? I currently have writing enabled, local_enabled and have specified a new local root directory
[23:37] <NIcKx> hey
[23:37] <arooni-mobile> oh look
[23:37] <arooni-mobile> its a bug
[23:37] <arooni-mobile> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1021375
[23:37] <Loshki> "<rootear> Never mind. I guess community help is harder than google" -- quote of the weekend, I believe.
[23:38] <arooni-mobile> eeee, what shoulod i do with in
[23:38] <eeee> disks ?
[23:39] <chucknorris88> anyone out there that can help with a VSFTPD permissions issue?
[23:39] <netlar> Ok, how do you send links to screenshots to irc
[23:39] <eeee> press the play button see if it mounts correctly
[23:39] <arooni-mobile> eeee, its a recognized bug in nautilus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1021375
[23:39] <eeee> arooni-mobile: yeah, reading it now
[23:39] <arooni-mobile> i wish there was a faster way to know if youre wasting your time because theres already an existing bug
[23:40] <Loshki> arooni-mobile: if you drop to the command line, that is apparently an effective workaround. A slight learning curve for you...
[23:40] <arooni-mobile> eeee, like for isntance i wouldnt have wasted time if i knew it was a bug in ubuntu;  maybe i should search the bug database
[23:40] <eeee> arooni-mobile: it's all good
[23:40] <arooni-mobile> Loshki, right;  if you run the mount command on the terminal; but thats incredibly annoying for a usb hard drive that youre plugging/unplugging all the time
[23:41] <NIcKx> if you're using ubuntu and is new to everything here, what would anybody recommend?
[23:41] <eeee> arooni-mobile: something must run when a usb is inserted
[23:41] <eeee> i guess you could put a script there to automount
[23:42] <arooni-mobile> eeee, its called 'make davids life terrrible' program
[23:42] <arooni-mobile> thats what runs when a usb is inserted
[23:42] <Loshki> arooni-mobile: annoying is relative. Compared to waiting for someone to deploy a fix, or patching it yourself, what options do you have?
[23:42] <NIcKx> exit
[23:42] <arooni-mobile> Loshki, cry about it in the #ubuntu channel?
[23:42] <netlar> How can I send screenshots here?
[23:42] <arooni-mobile> or switch to windows
[23:42] <arooni-mobile> #1 is easier
[23:43] <expunge> netlar: http://imgur.com/
[23:43] <netlar> thanks
[23:44] <netlar> I seem to have a problem with Google Chrome, it has two apps now http://imgur.com/TmzbQ96
[23:44] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Did you look at those instructions?
[23:45] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, what would you have me do?  change the program for autolaunch of a usb device?  with the mount command?
[23:45] <netlar> It almost looks like the "New Tab Google Chrome" is a shortcut
[23:46] <eeee> arooni-mobile: disks
[23:46] <netlar> But I am not sure how to get rid of it
[23:46] <expunge> why exactly does it bother you?
[23:47] <netlar> expunge: Me?
[23:47] <expunge> yeah
[23:47] <arooni-mobile> eeee, and do auto mount?
[23:47] <eeee> arooni-mobile: i think you've messed with disks yourself, and that's how the fstab entry ended there
[23:47] <eeee> arooni-mobile: is it set to off ?
[23:47] <netlar> Because when I open up just the Google Chrome one, it opens up the other one and only in Ingonito mode
[23:48] <netlar> Should not do that
[23:48] <arooni-mobile> eeee,  i treid w/ and w/o auto mount
[23:48] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Sorry, it's not as explicit as I thought it was.  See the section labeled "User Privileges", and you might check "Preferences" right below that.
[23:48] <netlar> No ideas, why there is this additional app shortcut for Chrome?
[23:48] <eeee> arooni-mobile: before now ?
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> eeee, eh one second
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> eeee,  i never tried the disks stuff you mentioned
[23:49] <eeee> arooni-mobile: oh ok, cause that would add to fstab
[23:49] <eeee> what are the options you have
[23:49] <jhutchins> arooni-mobile: Also (FS_MOUNTOPTIONS) in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf - the wrong gid there can cause read-only mounts.
[23:49] <_unreal_> is any one big on making post's for howto's for ubuntu?
[23:50] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, did you see the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1021375
[23:50] <havarka> netlar try to reinstall it
[23:50] <arooni-mobile> im not alone
[23:51] <netlar> havarka: I uninstalled it, but the "New Tab Google Chrome" was still there
[23:51] <netlar> havarka: Then I reinstalled Chrome and "New Tab Google Chrome" was still there]
[23:52] <eeee> arooni-mobile: cat /etc/issue please
[23:52] <havarka> netlar did you do it with remove or with purge?
[23:52] <expunge> netlar: something about incognito mode?
[23:52] <arooni-mobile> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[23:53] <netlar> havarka: with synapic , uninstall
[23:53] <eeee> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:53] <havarka> do it throught command line with purge
[23:53] <eeee> maybe it'll work
[23:53] <netlar> havarka: What is the command for purge
[23:54] <havarka> sudo apt-get purge
[23:54] <arooni-mobile> jhutchins, i dont see how to follow the insrction on ubuntu 14.04;  there is no setting in control pannels
[23:54] <_unreal_> lol purge
[23:54] <eeee> arooni-mobile: try this
[23:55] <_unreal_> arooni-mobile, what is the issue?
[23:55] <eeee> arooni-mobile:  mv ~/.config/nautilus ~/.config/nautilus.backup
[23:55] <eeee> arooni-mobile: logout and login and see if it works
[23:55] <netlar> havarka: The "New Tab Google Chrome" is still showing up
[23:57] <arooni-mobile> eeee, ok ill give it a shot
[23:57] <netlar> And I cannot find out where on the system that is
[23:57] <netlar> havarka: But when I click on the "New Tab Google Chrome" app icon nothing opens up
[23:58] <djtansey> I have a question about dm-cache -- does it require you use the whole ssd for cache or can you use one partition?