[00:47] <ochosi> brainwash: frankly, not sure *why* i should've read that comment, especially after what you commented on it (and instead of pinging me, you could've just replied...)
[00:49] <brainwash> ochosi: you should have read it, because it's hilarious
[00:49] <brainwash> maybe close the report for good?
[00:51] <skellat> brainwash: I read some of these bug reports and get horrified when the comments are made.  That one from 2014-08-04 is worrisome.
[00:53] <brainwash> it is
[00:54] <ochosi> i personally find the one from 2014-08-31 more worrisome
[00:55] <skellat> ochosi: The person ended up treating the bug like a thread on AskUbuntu.
[00:56] <skellat> That you had to go that far to tell the user what they could do with their EOL version...
[00:56] <skellat> ...is above and beyond on customer service
[00:56] <ochosi> yeah, that's just a user who doesn't know better
[00:57] <skellat> Reading the "xubuntu" tag on AskUbuntu gets freaky with all that people try to do to the distro
[00:57] <brainwash> I suggest that we create a wishlist report for "light-locking without vt switch" and link all corresponding reports to it
[00:57] <skellat> Such as this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/516314/xubuntu-14-04-disable-desktop-and-panel
[00:58] <skellat> brainwash: +1
[00:58] <ochosi> brainwash: feel free to do that, and link it to the 2.0 milestone for ll on github
[00:58] <brainwash> sure
[00:59] <skellat> ochosi: If bluesabre or anybody else from Team can knock that AU question linked above out I'd be most grateful
[01:00] <ochosi> skellat: kiosk mode is borked in xfce afaik
[01:00] <ochosi> nobody has really looked after it for a while
[01:00] <ochosi> i guess not enough people use it
[01:01] <ochosi> or devs aren't interested enough in it as a use-case
[01:01] <ochosi> not much else that can be said there
[01:01] <bluesabre> quick, somebody throw some money at it on bountysource
[01:01] <bluesabre> :)
[01:01] <skellat> ochosi: bluesabre does have a user account on AU so relate such to him so he can post the answer in his persona at XTL
[01:01] <skellat> please
[01:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: could do that actually :) not sure that'll magically make new contributors surface all of a sudden who implement it ;)
[01:02] <bluesabre> skellat: I'll review it and come up with a response tonight/tomorrow
[01:02] <bluesabre> there is probably a way to disable right-click with xsession
[01:03] <bluesabre> I'll do some research
[01:03] <brainwash> but we don't even know if it really is broken
[01:03] <bluesabre> " The public user account will be restrict to create folders on desktop or disable right click on desktop and disable right click on panel or disable adding new icons on panel."
[01:03] <brainwash> the xfce kiosk mode settings
[01:03] <bluesabre> sounds like killing right-click is what he really wants
[01:04] <bluesabre> can probably also write-lock xfconf or something else
[01:04] <bluesabre> I'll poke around a bit
[01:04] <skellat> bluesabre: Thank you!
[01:05] <skellat> If people want to patrol AU for the questions about Xubuntu, they're generally tagged here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/xubuntu?sort=newest&pageSize=50
[01:05] <brainwash> I don't do AU
[01:06] <brainwash> still some work to do on launchpad =S
[01:06] <Noskcaj> brainwash, What do you have against australia?
[01:06] <bluesabre> :)
[01:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: do *not* click on skellat's link, it'll eat all your free time! :D
[01:06] <Noskcaj> :)
[01:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: free time? what's that?
[01:06] <brainwash> nothing, I like the mountains, great for skiing :P
[01:07] <ochosi> (my favorite is: "upgrade xubuntu 6.04 to more recent OS on ppc")
[01:07] <brainwash> jk
[01:07] <skellat> ochosi: I cringe a lot looking at the questions
[01:07]  * ochosi closes the tab and decides never to click on a link that starts with "askubuntu.com/" ever again
[01:08]  * skellat wanders off to go check on his cat and go after a session of patrolling *A*sk *U*buntu
[01:09] <skellat> s/go/dog/
[01:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: bored?
[01:13] <bluesabre> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-power-manager
[01:14] <bluesabre> :]
[01:14] <bluesabre> or will this be updated with 1.4?
[01:14] <ochosi> yeah, but there's both a bugreport on lp on it and an entry in the roadmap to 1.4 (which has been there since the first 1.3 release, because i put it there...)
[01:14] <bluesabre> cool
[01:14] <ochosi> too many UI changes along the way to meaningfully start this
[01:14]  * bluesabre un-nags
[01:15] <ochosi> and since it's online, there's no release-critical deadline
[01:15] <bluesabre> yeah
[01:15] <ochosi> but yeah, that page sucks and should go away in its entirety
[01:15] <ochosi> and be replaced by a forward to docs.xfce
[01:15] <ochosi> (like we did with parole)
[01:16] <ochosi> anyway, time for bed
[01:16] <ochosi> night everyone
[01:16] <Unit193> Do we tuck him in?
[01:18] <ochosi> :>
[01:43] <bluesabre> skellat: answered a few questions while I was in there
[01:44] <bluesabre> going to be lazy, bbl
[01:49] <Unit193> forestpiskie: And, that's one dang evil kernel you got there. :/
[01:49] <Unit193> Having to use Openbox Desktop 14.10 just to watch Doctor Who.
[04:11] <Proffesor> ok, any focus on testing at the moment?
[04:11] <Proffesor> as in.. what should i be testing?
[04:13] <Proffesor> test
[04:14] <Madhead> ok,
[04:29] <Noskcaj> Madhead, A lot of people are asleep now.
[04:29] <Noskcaj> including our head of QA (testing)
[04:29] <Noskcaj> But anything that's on iso.qa.ubuntu.com or packages.qa.ubuntu.com is good
[04:29] <Madhead> thats ok.. just wondered if anyone knew. 
[04:30] <Noskcaj> We also have a staging ppa at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging if you want to test the things in it
[04:31] <Madhead> ok im on it.. ill start filling apports
[04:33] <Noskcaj> cool
[04:33] <Noskcaj> For issues in the staging ppa, report the bugs upstream on in the channel as launchpad is only for stuff in the ubuntu archives
[04:34] <Madhead> so, prepare a word doc, and upload in the morning?
[04:34] <Madhead> or better time
[04:40] <Noskcaj> Madhead, COuld you introduce yourself to everyone on our mailing list? xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[04:41] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, ping
[04:45] <Madhead> bump
[04:45] <Noskcaj> Could you sync libxfce4util from unstable or experimental (either works, 4.11 seems to be bugfix only)
[04:45] <Noskcaj> Madhead, What do you mean
[04:45] <Madhead> im here
[04:46] <Madhead> got my vm ready just waiting on the daily iso
[04:46] <Noskcaj> cool.
[04:47] <Madhead> i think the daily iso should be hosted on git
[04:47] <Noskcaj> why?
[04:47] <Madhead> 1 gig download every so often could be reduced to a patch
[04:47] <Madhead> of say a few kb
[04:47] <Noskcaj> Madhead, been done, except with zsync or rsync
[04:47] <Madhead> then again im not sure idf it does binaries
[04:47] <Noskcaj> !zsync
[04:48] <Noskcaj> !!rsync
[04:48] <Noskcaj> Or you can use testdrive to automatically do that, and automatically make a VM
[04:48] <Madhead> thanks.. as you can tell im new here.. i suffer from boredom and insomnia.. soo i want to be productive
[04:48] <Noskcaj> :)
[04:49] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Also, should we try and revive the Xfce 4.12 PPA, or just switch to xubuntu-staging + a PPA for stuff that's stable but can't be backported
[04:51] <Madhead> on the subject of version controll, are previouse builds kept?
[04:52] <Noskcaj> No. Only todays, yesterdays, and all actually released things
[04:53] <Madhead> hmm, some binary diffs should be kept i think.. ask a uni to host it to use as case studies
[04:53] <Madhead> *university
[04:54] <Madhead> oh wait, going backwards from the latest build could be a pain
[04:55] <Madhead> maybe the diffs could be generated using the previouse lts release iso as a master to compare with the daily..
[04:55] <Madhead> bigger patches 
[04:55] <Madhead> but doable
[04:56] <Noskcaj> Madhead, We do keep all packages, so there's not much point in keeping ISOs too
[04:56] <Noskcaj> but yeah, it would be possible, someone might even do it and i don't know
[04:56] <Madhead> bootnotes board..
[04:56] <Madhead> do you guys have an office?
[04:57] <Madhead> ok the iso is done
[04:57] <Madhead> note - using i386
[05:00] <Noskcaj> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/77292/testcases
[05:00] <Noskcaj> That's where you put the results, and link any bugs found
[05:09] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Why sync libxfce4util?  It gives no benefit as the stuff in the last upload brings it up to par with what we already have.  4.11 is more likely as it fixes more bugs, but then again past FF and that's a "big" version bump.
[05:15] <knives2886> hello is anyone around?
[05:22] <Unit193> Not for long, though.  It's night where a lot of us are.
[05:23] <pleia2> and I don't know anything about msi am2 apus ;)
[05:23] <Unit193> If that's the question, a big no from me too. :P
[05:25] <knives2886> oi
[05:26] <knives2886> i dont wanna risk the update if im gonna have to lose all my data. iv tried 5 times with no luck on my computer even trying the fixes out there failed for me
[05:27] <Unit193> Live boot?
[05:28] <knives2886> live or update it locks up after boot screen
[05:30] <knives2886> idk if the 14.01.1 is a fix for the msi apu users or not or even if the 14.10 has the fixes. i mean i guess i can try installing to a pos hdd just to try it out but idk if its even worth the effort
[05:38] <Madhead> mugshot is incomplete... i facepalmed as i typed in the wrong password twice.
[05:39] <Madhead> which is a feature of my password making skills
[05:39] <Madhead> erm.. other than that its really nice in a virtual machine
[05:40] <Madhead> wheres the main logs folder?
[05:40] <Madhead> for booting and kernel stuff.. dry reading but
[05:40] <Madhead> and parole streamed buck bunny no problem as an mp4 using no nonefree codecs
[05:41] <Madhead> a full report will be done soon
[05:45] <Noskcaj> Unit193, why not? There's no real risk of regression, and any sort of fix (even a typo fix) is nice to have before release
[05:46] <Madhead> see you soon
[08:58] <elfy> morning peeps
[08:59] <brainwash> morning elfy 
[08:59] <elfy> hi brainwash 
[08:59] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11088
[08:59] <brainwash> good news :)
[09:00] <elfy> :p
[09:00] <elfy> I realised that adding gdebi adds gksu - I'm good to go :D
[09:01] <elfy> I saw that bug stuff last night I think :)
[09:01] <brainwash> can you also copy&paste a report for thunar?
[09:01] <elfy> yea
[09:02] <brainwash> thanks, I'll poke eric then again
[09:04] <elfy> mmm
[09:04] <elfy> I thought the policy files in polkit-1/actions got renamed? 
[09:06] <brainwash> what do you mean?
[09:06] <elfy> only files I've got here are called com.ubuntu.pkexec.blah
[09:06] <elfy> thought they were changing to xfce
[09:07] <brainwash> the upstream one is named "org.xfce.mousepad.policy"
[09:08] <elfy> well it's got whatever I've got in /usr/share for better or worse now :p
[09:08] <elfy> xfce 11122
[09:08] <brainwash> our temporary one "com.ubuntu.pkexec.mousepad.policy"
[09:08] <brainwash> great, thanks
[09:24] <elfy> brainwash: not sure why you bothere adding upstream to a fixed LP one - I removed upstream from the mousepad one yesterday
[09:24] <brainwash> well, it helps to keep track of things
[09:25] <elfy> not sure how - who's going to look at a fixed bug ;)
[09:25] <brainwash> we will have to remove our policy files (xubu default settings) at some point
[09:25] <brainwash> so, I also wanted to add "thunar (ubuntu)"
[09:25] <brainwash> which would leave the report open
[09:25] <brainwash> normal xfce does not install xubu default settings
[09:25] <elfy> anyway - I've lost interest in pkexec now - only wish I could stop seeing the bug reports 
[09:26] <brainwash> :D
[09:27] <brainwash> ok, removed the bug watch
[10:03] <elfy> :)
[10:38] <bluesabre> per the logs, looks like its time to release the new mugshot
[10:38] <bluesabre> :)
[10:39] <elfy> morning bluesabre 
[10:39] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[11:05] <bluesabre> hey guys, if anybody would be interested in doing translations today: https://translations.launchpad.net/mugshot
[13:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll try to do mugshot de tonight
[13:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks
[13:56] <ochosi> np
[13:57] <bluesabre> I'll probably do the next release tonight, should fix things for a few users, and make the password dialog more attractive :)
[13:57] <ochosi> okeydokey, nice :)
[13:57] <ochosi> bbl
[13:57] <bluesabre> seeya
[14:56] <knome> bluesabre, always feel free to specifically ping me on translation requests
[14:57] <knome> "Cannot display camera output.Ignoring play command" missing space and comma?
[15:01] <knome> "Lightweight user configuration"
[15:02] <knome> isn't that incorrect? i would consider the "users and groups" -dialog a "user configuration" app
[15:05] <knome> "Mugshot enables users to easily updates personal contact information."
[15:05] <knome> s/updates/update/ ?
[15:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: can you add shimmer-shimmer to the depends of xfce4-settings? bug 1322305
[15:24] <brainwash> not sure about the icon-theme
[15:26] <brainwash> our xubuntu-specific patch changes these 2 settings, but the greybird and elementary xfce are not pulled in by default (default Xfce, not Xubuntu)
[15:27] <brainwash> greybird and elementary xfce packages
[16:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/lxpanel/0.6.2-0ubuntu2
[17:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Mhmm, so I saw, good news.
[17:10] <knome> bluesabre, got my comments about mugshot translations?
[17:49] <bluesabre> knome: yes, that missing space/newline is a typo... but not quite severe (log message)
[17:49] <knome> what about the others?
[17:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm at a loss... new lxpanel, still didn't quite work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8198957/
[17:50] <bluesabre> knome: I suppose that's valid, but the login screen photo is not quite a contact detail
[17:51] <bluesabre> and yes to the other notes as well
[17:51] <bluesabre> lots of typos there
[17:51] <bluesabre> D:
[18:01] <knome> so, when you going to fix those? :P
[18:03] <bluesabre> some time today
[18:03] <bluesabre> and then I'll do the release tomorrow night
[18:03] <knome> :)
[18:03] <bluesabre> busy around the home today
[18:05] <knome> heh
[19:30] <pleia2> there, team report for august done
[19:33] <elfy> I think I did CC one pleia2 
[19:33] <elfy> while I remember :)
[19:34] <pleia2> :)
[19:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: checking for lxpanel >= 0.5.6... 0.6.2
[20:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: ...?
[20:00] <bluesabre> now I'm really confused
[20:01]  * bluesabre clears away build files
[20:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: You need libmenu-cache-dev, mate.
[20:06] <bluesabre> oh
[20:06]  * bluesabre wasn't aware
[20:06] <Unit193> lxpanel-dev depends on it, yeah.
[20:07] <bluesabre> >.<
[20:07] <bluesabre> ok, I'll try that now
[20:09] <Unit193> It's a weird area, -dev depends on it but since it's in the 'lxpanel' package there is no dep. 0.7.0 doesn't even add one.
[20:18] <bluesabre> yay, it built
[20:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxpanel/plugins/ sound right?
[20:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: comments/suggestions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8200064/
[20:25] <bluesabre> besides updated d/changelog more
[20:25] <bluesabre> *updating
[20:31] <Unit193> lxpanel installs to multiarch dirs too, so yeah.  Will that dep cause issues on upgrading, by pulling in xfce4-panel if 0.7.0 is installed/updated before?  Otherwise looks fine.
[20:31] <Unit193> Also, you override lxpanel dep, does it actually add one?
[21:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: dunno, I thought that it might, suppose I shouldn't assume :)
[21:08] <bluesabre> not sure about the upgrade issues
[22:10] <Unit193> Uploadin' yet?
[22:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: lordy, appdata adds a huge translations overhead
[22:32] <Unit193> For little gain. :P
[22:33] <ochosi> well especially for xfce-related software
[22:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, there's a space missing (at least) in this string: "Cannot display camera output.Ignoring play command"
[22:34] <knome> ochosi, OOOOLD. :P
[22:35] <ochosi> anyway, night everyone
[22:35] <knome> nighty ochosi