[00:33] does anyone else still having this issue when I toggle monitor power button on and off - desktop doesn't come back on again? [00:34] so I have to "sudo service lightdm restart" to get desktop back... [00:38] where would I see active xubuntu bugs? === rustyraptor is now known as rustyraptor_zz [00:55] ca anyone help with this issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/464600/cant-get-monitor-image-back-on-after-toggling-monitor-power-button [01:02] is there a Clean Looks theme for xubuntu [01:10] derek-g: looks like bug 1313539 [01:10] bug 1313539 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "monitor shows black screen and "no input signal" after turning the monitor off and on manually" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313539 [01:22] brainwash, thanks. I've one-upped that ticket. Not sure wtf. is this happening. [01:23] well, it's obviously a bug :/ [01:24] (which affects a larger amount of people) [02:41] hello? [02:42] luks1: how may we help you? [02:42] i have dug myself into a deep hole... [02:42] !details | luks1 [02:42] luks1: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel) [02:42] allow me to describe some scnenarios where you can dig yourself out.. whats going on? [02:43] I recently installed xubuntu on my desktop and i selected the option for whole disk encryption [02:43] i would have backups for the data *outside* that encryption area [02:44] i cant remember my passphrase but i do have the key that it said could be used to recover the disk manually [02:44] luks1: the key has a passphrase, AFAIK.. its in the design that you need the passphrase [02:44] luks1: its designed to lock you out.. [02:44] luks1: whats the issue? data loss? [02:45] otherwise, reinstall, and dont use encryption [02:45] data loss. i thought that with the incredibly long code it said to write down that i could recover the data [02:46] !encryption [02:46] For information on setting up encrypted private directories (8.10+) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory [02:46] it isnt a directory that is encrypted, its the entire hard disk [02:47] http://caribou.kamikamamak.com/2011/09/26/mounting-fully-encrypted-hard-disk/ [02:47] luks1: i understand that, friend [02:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto [02:48] regardless, you need to in the future have backups outside this enctyption area [02:48] so basically even though i have the key i cant do anything without the actual passphrase? [02:49] luks1: im linking data for you to read and see if that is the case [02:49] ok, thanks [02:49] luks1: you are saying, basically, as i read it, "i have one part of the puzzle i need" [02:50] luks1: the passphrase is needed as far as i know.. if you want to reasearch it further, go for it.. i would just revert to my backups and resintall and either not encypt or maintain the credentials better [02:50] you may not have that luxury.. [02:50] from what i have read on my own before coming here, and from the links you sent my data is gone forever [02:51] luks1: thats what i think.. [02:51] that comforts me knowing that if anyone else had my disk that it would be useless [02:51] luks1: but, feel free and ask around. and read.. you can try the main #ubuntu channel [02:52] but it is very frustrating because i didnt make any backups. this install was less than a week old [02:52] thanks for all your help holstein. [02:52] well, you need backups, regardless.. *all* drives fail [02:52] if nothing else, its just that lesson you can take, i suppose.. better only a week in, i say [02:53] of course if i had a backup, i wouldve wanted that encrypted also [02:53] lesson learned [02:53] encryption works. remember your passwords [02:53] i would have a backup in an open location [02:54] wouldnt an unencrypted backup defeat the purpose of having the original encrypted? [02:54] depends on why what is encrypted and how [02:54] from a privacy standpoint at least? [02:55] its all a trade off [02:55] i choose to trade having an open disk around locked in a box that is not encypted [02:55] i want it that way, so im not locked out of important data i may need.. [02:56] but, i need the data worse than i need you not to have it.. if it were the other way around, i might prefer something else [02:56] the way i see it, if big brother gets posession of my desktop, they could just as easily have any other disks no matter where i store them [02:56] i choose not to address big brother that way [02:57] care to elaborate? [02:57] i say, its my rights to have things and not have others touch them.. and i'll still vote that way, and try my best.. otherwise, its a lot of a race as i see it [02:57] i see, well thank you so much holstein. [02:58] we race to better enctypt, they race to crack whatever.. its not legal.. and im just saying, its my personal property is all.. i mean, i have it online, thats one thing.. but, my hard drive is a different story [02:58] goodbye it has been nice chatting with you [02:58] but, as i said, i want the data worse than i want you not to have it. its important that i access it. thats *more* important to me than making sure "big brother" cant [02:59] sure.. cheers [03:59] anyone on? [04:00] deddokatana, ask your ubuntu questions [04:00] deddokatana: Please just ask your real question. [04:00] nah, im on as tech support [04:00] quiet at this time? [04:01] at the moment, yes [04:37] strange behavior in 14.04 xubuntu/ubuntustudio : notifications are set to disappear after 10 seconds. they remain until I manually click. === blackjack_ is now known as blackjack [05:01] hey can anypone help me [05:01] anyone* [05:02] does anyone know if they fixed the msi am2 apu boot issues? [06:15] Is this the correct terminal command to run ACPI? /tmp/acl$ acpi -V [06:16] Is there a simpler terminal command to run ACPI? [07:07] anyone know a good way to share folders between a pc with xubuntu and a windows 8 pc? [07:07] i'm trying with samba.... but i'm new to linux and still figuring this out. [07:07] MediaBox: samba? [07:08] i can see the windows pc on the xubuntu pc, but when i try opening it, the password doesnt let me in [08:15] I have been asking in the ##hardware and the #ubuntu rooms questions about installing lm-sensors for the last hour or two, and no one seems to know if it is worth the risk to probe my I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware [08:31] finrod, i've never had a problem [08:31] finrod, over many years and hundreds of sensor-detects [08:32] I'm at the last stage of installation for lm-sensors [08:32] I'm stuck on /etc/modules, not sure how to load them for lm-sensors [08:32] why not allow sensors-detect to add it for you? [08:33] at end of detection it will offer to. [08:33] Yes, it is telling me that, but there's a problem [08:34] what problem, finrod? [08:34] here is a screenshot...http://imgur.com/0TTCsN1 [08:35] what's the problem? [08:35] I have no idea if I have drivers built into my kernel [08:36] there is only one module in the list, you'll be okay [08:37] ok, good, I'll just say yes [08:37] thanks, seg [08:37] no problem. make sure to restart [08:37] or otherwise load what you'll need [08:40] lm-sensors told me this...Monitoring programs won't work until the needed modules are [08:40] loaded. You may want to run 'service kmod start' to load them. [08:40] did you restart or add the module otherwise before trying to run it after adding the module to /etc/modules? [08:41] I have done nothing. I am still waiting at the command prompt [08:41] ok. after having said yes to the prompt, restart or use 'sudo modprobe ' to add it [08:42] let me check your screenshot for the name [08:42] I don't know if I need to run "service kmod start" since my plan is to install Psensor after rebooting [08:42] why not give it a shot? [08:42] you'd likely do it as an admin, so 'sudo service kmod start' [08:43] to manually load the driver that you added in /etc/modules with sensors-detect, type 'sudo modprobe smsc47b397' [08:43] that string at the end is the module you added in the screenshot [08:47] http://pastebin.com/8L4dDLmE [08:48] type 'sudo service kmod start' [08:49] Should I reboot first? [08:49] or the modprobe string I typed above [08:49] if you reboot there shouldn't be a need to do it. [08:49] it'll accomplish the same thing a different way [08:50] all you're doing is reloading the /etc/modules file, which is done at reboot anywho [08:50] good, so I can just type 'sudo service kmod start' without rebooting? [08:50] yep. [08:50] and if that doesn't work, modprobe the driver you added [08:50] and if THAT doesn't work, reboot [08:51] ok, then I can install Psensor? === bekks_ is now known as bekks [08:51] should be [08:51] okay [08:52] thanks, seg [08:52] sure [08:53] finrod, also try typing 'sensors' to see if you get a valid temperature [08:53] that's what lm-sensors is reporting to Psensor [08:53] oh yeah, I do that to test it before I install Psensor? [08:54] its optional, but easy [08:56] I ran the service kmod start command and got this.....kmod stop/waiting [08:56] then the command prompt [08:56] yup that's expected [08:56] now try 'sensors' [08:56] and you should see some temp data [08:57] But first I need to run this command......sudo sensors-detect [08:57] nah, that's done [08:57] you did that earlier with the module adding [08:57] ok, I'll try 'sensors' [08:57] if you see some data, you're all good with lm-sensors [08:58] It's working [08:58] great! [08:58] thanks a lot, seg [08:58] now onwards to Psensor or whatever other frontend you'd like to play with [08:58] no problem [08:59] there's only two temperatures, but may be Psensor will show more [08:59] shouldn't, as the data is being read from lm-sensors. Do you have a lot more temperatures you're trying to monitor? [09:00] if you want GPU stuff, that's elsewhere [09:00] Fan speed [09:00] CPU and hard drive [09:01] hmm that's more complicated. on laptops that stuff is usually done via specific acpi packages. [09:01] for example, thinkpads have a specific package that exposes that stuff [09:02] I know that some modules expose it on lm-sensors [09:02] but I don't know which ones exactly [09:02] have you checked this article out? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fan_speed_control [09:02] it may have some pertinent info for you. [09:03] these are my results from lm-sensors: http://pastebin.com/g9djxz5Y [09:03] okay, one sec [09:04] can you please try 'lsmod | grep acpi' and tell me if you get results? [09:05] ok, hold on...... [09:06] pata_acpi 13038 0 [09:06] hm ok [09:06] I just installed acpi two hours ago [09:06] that doesn't help. one sec, let me see what'd be appropriate for you [09:06] using the ubuntu software centre [09:07] aye, but we need a specific acpi module thats applicable to you to get loaded so we can get the fan speed and such exposed [09:07] need to investigate what that module is [09:08] when doing sensors-detect, you answered yes to everything? [09:08] Everything except for the last question [09:09] ok. it's reporting k8 when you do sensors, right? [09:09] yeah k8temp, foudn the pastebin [09:10] I said yes to everything except for the probe of my I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware, seg [09:11] the k8 sensors module is known to be broken, and unreliable. [09:12] bekks, I knew the temp values are sometimes bogus, but his fan speeds aren't getting exposed; is that a known issue? [09:13] My fan is loud, and only seems to go on when I am playing YouTube videos full screen [09:13] Thats amongst the issues of the broken k8 module, as far as I remeber - I hab a k8 a decade ago. And unfortunately, the k8 module hasnt been fixed. [09:14] doh. that sucks. finrod, what kind of computer is it? [09:14] Well, I think the fan goes on pretty frequently, actually, whenever the PC is doing something demanding [09:14] HP dx5150 SFF desktop PC [09:15] It was already used when I got it in 2010 [09:15] ah. [09:16] for kicks, why not try sudo sensors-detect with yes to all options? [09:16] and then 'sudo service kmod start' [09:16] and 'sensors' [09:16] to recheck [09:16] lm-sensors warned me that last probe is risky [09:16] yeah, but oldre computers are more likely to use ISA stuff. [09:17] oh yeah, sorry [09:17] risky means system stability [09:17] not failure, as far as I know [09:17] I thought you said I don't need to run sensors-detect [09:18] it's just to try the unexplored option of yes to all parameters [09:18] you don't, as the temp module was loaded -- this is an attempt to get fan speed [09:18] good idea, I'll try it [09:27] I got stuck again.....check this out seg.....http://pastebin.com/S41Lqb7G [09:28] Answer yes if you want to scan it, no if you dont want to do that. [09:28] Should I also scan that SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0500 (i2c-0)? [09:28] is it safe to scan it? [09:29] lmsensors is "safe" to use, it will not break your hardware. [09:29] ok, thanks [09:29] The modules might not work or might be buggy - but they dont break your box. [09:30] by safe they mean that it may temporarily affect system stability, not to be used on enterprise hardware, that kind of thing [09:30] enterprise hardware? [09:30] like a server running a tv channel [09:30] something that CAN NEVER FAIL [09:30] otherwise people lose millions [09:30] s/can/should/ [09:30] heheh [09:31] It found a lot of stuff with the last probe [09:31] after you've done your 'sudo service kmod start' , try 'sensors' to see if there is a difference [09:31] Now it wants to probe my Radeon i2c bit bus DVI_DDC (i2c-1) [09:32] is that ok? [09:32] to scan [09:32] yes down the line for the largest amount of possible info from lm-sensors [09:32] ok [09:32] although that shouldn't be read from lm-sensors anyway [09:34] Wow, it found sth [09:34] `SPD EEPROM' [09:35] showing up in sensors? [09:36] from the sensors detect in the SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0500 (i2c-0) [09:37] Probing for `SPD EEPROM'... Yes [09:37] (confidence 8, not a hardware monitoring chip) [09:39] finrod, gotta run for a little bit. good luck on the fan control hunt, hopefully you can wrangle the k8 module. be back in a bit [09:39] ok, seg [09:39] thanks [09:54] finrod: you can probe everything, it will not break your box. [10:08] hello, i'm getting this error since 2 days ago on xubuntu 14.04 >> lightdm-gtk-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_focus [10:20] m3n3chm0: did you follow the instructions and send a bug report? [10:21] yes === rustyraptor_zz is now known as rustyraptor [10:25] m3n3chm0: thanks, the devs of lightdm-gtk-greeter will hopefully take a look at your report [10:25] the package was update on 2014-08-26 [10:26] so it could be indeed a new bug [10:32] :) ok [11:17] should I just install hddtemp using the Ubuntu Software Centre? [11:22] if Ubuntu software center was a tangible object i would burn it and then quickly dispose of the remaining ashes. [11:22] you could use though it though. it'll do the job [11:25] james0r: it's better than yum ;) [11:25] is that fedora? good god i'd never want to exp yum then [11:27] i havn't been on linux all that long really but i quickly didn't see the point of using often disfunctional software centers. i prefer synaptic or terminal. i'd rather see what's going on. [11:27] if i need to search for software i just use google. === SirLagz_ is now known as SirLagz [11:28] to each their own though. glad there are options. [11:32] I just installed hddtemp, but when I ran this command, hddtemp /dev/sda /dev/sdb, I got these results.... [11:33] ...../dev/sda: open: Permission denied [11:33] ......./dev/sdb: open: No such file or directory [11:34] should I run the same command, and just add 'sudo' at the beginning? [12:08] When I try to update, the system tells me that I do not have enough space on /boot.. is there any way to clean out old iterations of the kernels? [12:08] uninstall them [12:08] just leave the most recent one [12:09] ok, I'll have a go === bekks_ is now known as bekks === Drone`` is now known as Drone` === beware_ is now known as beware [14:23] hello, guys maybe someone tried to make global menu work on 14.04? [14:24] hi. i am on 12.4. can anyone help to find and manage the system's password's manager where are stored infos about the applications which are using passwords (thunderbird, chrome etc)? [14:29] gcds: how did you make it work before 14.04? any guide? [14:31] I have seen many guides for older versions but then i try to build source on 14.04 many dependencies are just too old for 14.04 [14:31] like gtk2... [14:34] you can try to contact the developer of this panel plugin(?) [14:36] maybe... === sun is now known as Guest22645 === Guest22645 is now known as sunsun [15:35] hi all. i am trying to start kwallet but i am getting the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/8197906/ . Any idea to make this application to be strated and loaded on 12.04? I googled this issue already but i didnt find any appropriate answer. [16:26] hello all. I just did an update to my 14.04 system and it seems the screen is randomly flickering now. Also, it seems the hzt. rate is set to 59.9 instead of 60. Any ideas? [16:32] mkgyre: does it flicker when the login screen is active/visible? [16:32] yep....from the boot splash screen onward [16:33] that's bad I guess [16:33] I am pretty sure the issue lies in the htz set at 59.9 instead of 60 [16:33] and not easy to debug [16:33] no simple way to manipulate the settings in the terminal? [16:33] usually it's auto-detected [16:33] doing some reading on another tab as we speak [16:34] yeah....I have no other drop down options but 59.9 and I tried to re autodetect to no avail. [16:34] did you install any driver for your graphics card? [16:34] no. [16:34] which gpu? [16:34] just let the system to its usual update [16:35] this an older laptop....I believe Radeon x1200 [16:35] was fine until todays update then whamo [16:35] was going to use this PC later today to do a fantasy draft but now....I dont want to have a seizure! [16:36] ah I see, so your options are limited anyway [16:36] and you can only use the open source driver [16:36] which is pre-installed [16:36] honestly, I am sure that there will be an update to patch out soon as I am sure I am not alone but I would be nice to fix now! [16:36] it could hardware specific [16:37] it could be [16:38] well...whatever the latest "fix" was, it dropped my refresh rate and that would have to be a universal bug from what I am thinking....looks like it has happened in the past as well [16:38] based on some googling! [16:39] 59.9 could be the result of saving the value as floating point [16:40] can you boot the live iso of xubuntu 14.04? [16:40] unsure....now are speaking Chinese and out of my realm. [16:40] Actually....not a bad idea [16:40] I could do that, yes. I have a live boot of regular ubuntu 14.04 on a flash here too I could use [16:41] for now. It would be interesting to go in and see what the refresh rate is on the live boot [16:41] it should be 60 [16:41] you can query some information in the terminal via "xrandr -q" [16:43] -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr [16:44] it's a universal tool, not distro or desktop specific [16:44] been toying in that the last few minutes [16:45] will post settings momentarily [16:45] kgyre@kgyre-laptop:~$ xrandr -q Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192 VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 331mm x 207mm 1280x800 59.9*+ 1280x720 59.9 1152x768 59.8 1024x768 59.9 800x600 59.9 848x480 59.7 720x480 59.7 640x480 [16:46] !paste [16:46] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8198475/ [16:49] I guess we need to wait for your live iso results [16:49] is anybody here? [16:49] i am so tired [16:49] !ask | xubuntu838 [16:49] xubuntu838: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [16:50] Thanks for the help all.....will do a live boot and see where we land. [16:50] i have no idea what happened,but after i reboot system,my xfce panel appearse for several seconds and then disappearse [16:50] appear* [16:51] also,if i add some command in autostart,it behaves the same way [17:01] well....interesting gents. I am speaking to you all now via a 14.04 live boot, not a flicker one. refresh is set at 59.9 so that must not be the issue [17:05] also, I wish I would have notated more of the line but when I did the update, I noticed the ALSA driver said something as I did the restart to finish the update. I dont recall what that driver is for but it could be graphical [17:05] nope...that would be sound. nevermind that [17:05] so says google [17:38] hi [17:41] hello [17:45] i want to think like a computer hacker [17:45] i want to learn linux and forget windows, windows filled with distractions [17:45] games? movies? c'mon. no more apps. no more neverending flood of media [17:45] i want to have total control of all information that comes in and out [17:45] !ot | Engine234 [17:45] Engine234: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [17:46] god i really dont like you bazhang [17:46] please shut up [18:13] #xubuntu-offtopic [18:16] does anyone by chance have some time to assist me in trying to get a wireless adapter working in my 14.04 LTS installation? Sorry, linux newb here. I can provide whatever information is needed. I took this box from ubuntu server to xubuntu-desktop using apt-get and I think the issue may be related to a network-manager/ifupdown conflict, but I'm not sure. [18:17] Just as a note I have tried installing the b43 installer and using ndiswrapper. lsusb shows the device, but it doesnt show as an available interface [18:35] hey where are the output files for the start upsequence? ya know the ones that show the process then wether it is ok or not? or things? [18:37] !nox [18:37] To start your system in text-only mode append 'text' (without the quotes) to the kernel line in the grub menu. You can access the grub menu by pressing Esc (Grub legacy) or Shift (Grub2) during boot. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode [19:16] http://pastebin.com/tu1x8rnN [19:16] help me please [21:11] im installing xubuntu on an oold laptop and it's stuck at 75% for the past 2 hours [21:11] is this normal [21:12] "configuring bcmwl-kernel source(amd64) [21:12] that's the stage i'm at [21:12] So how old is that laptop, and which processor does it have? [21:12] amd turion 64, like 10 years old [21:25] great support channel [21:30] Jasonbornee, please remember we are all volunteers and that answers are not always available. [21:39] But I can say, 2 hours isn't normal. [21:39] 500MHz celeron didn't take that long a couple years ago. [21:44] heya, how do i hook my samsung galaxy ace 2x up to my laptop using bluetooth? when i search for it with the bluetooth thing already installed it can't pick it up [21:47] are both things set to be discoverable? [21:47] yes [21:48] was thinking maybe there is a driver or something like that i'm missing? [21:53] cant connect to my LG nexus, either [21:55] is it a dell laptop by any chance? [21:55] Acer [21:55] ah okay [21:55] why? [21:55] some dells are a bit finicky with bluetooth from what I can recall [21:55] ohh [21:55] okay [21:55] no never had problems before when i was running windows [22:01] cant see it when its plugged in either [22:02] it keeps sayin "failure to mount "android"" === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === sku1d_ is now known as sku1d