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apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8203827/ I totally wrote a control parser \o/07:22
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valorieapachelogger: thanks so much for trying to patch up my old laptop07:34
valoriejust finished a response07:34
valoriedamn, now it doesn't want to shut down07:37
valorie"In -65 seconds"07:37
valoriethe only two choices from the kmenu are log out and lock07:40
valoriecli works of course07:40
valoriehmmm, but it hasn't quit07:42
valorieoh, well07:42
lordievaderGood morning.07:48
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: regression, iso does again not respect "noninteractive" and "maybe-ubiquity"09:53
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: since I have not tested everyday I cannot say when this was introduced again, I know for sure the iso from aug, 29 was affected too09:54
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: all i know is that the iso from aug, 27 worked fine, I think the one from 28 too, but not sure09:56
shadeslayer_kdeuser56: I'll take a look later on10:13
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: thx10:13
shadeslayer_also, noninteractive and maybe-ubiquity go together?10:13
shadeslayer_because I know about maybe-ubiquity, tried a fix, didn't work10:14
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: i tested them individually10:14
shadeslayer_what is noninteractive supposed to do?10:14
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: they worked fine individually on aug 27 10:14
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: noninteractive starts ubiquity on a vt without x10:15
shadeslayer_maybe-ubiquity might have bought up ubiquity-dm, but you couldn't login10:15
shadeslayer_so no, it did not work10:15
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: what did not work?10:15
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: when?10:16
shadeslayer_"Try Kubuntu" did not login10:16
shadeslayer_it's on my todo to fix10:16
shadeslayer_so yeah10:16
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: oh I am not sure I tested that10:16
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: but what I know for sure is that bother noninteractive and maybe-ubiquity worked find individually on aug 27, as I wrote you in the confirmation mail 10:17
shadeslayer_again, maybe-ubiquity only partially worked10:17
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: what I mean by worked is, that it was invoked10:17
shadeslayer_I know, I kind of fixed it :)10:17
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: so you deliberately disabled respecting the ubiquity commands as a workaround for the login problem?10:18
shadeslayer_yes, I did not want a beta 1 that wouldn't login out of the box10:21
shadeslayer_plus, it was that way before as wekll10:21
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: ah okay, so it seems what you disabled disabled noninteractive too10:21
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: any plan to reintroduce it as soon as the login works with maybe-ubiquity?10:21
shadeslayer_don't think so10:22
shadeslayer_( re non interactive )10:22
shadeslayer_kdeuser56: yep10:22
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: but somehow it stopped working when maybe-ubiquity stopped working ...10:23
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: anyway, why don't we do it like ubuntu? two grub entries: one live session, one install ubuntu10:23
shadeslayer_dunno, you'd have to ask Colin10:24
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: so how exactly did you disable maybe-ubiquity from working? you could have simply changed the default boot command line10:26
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kdeuser56to not include "maybe-ubiquity" 10:26
shadeslayer_I think the command line might be shared across flavors10:26
shadeslayer_*boot command10:26
shadeslayer_but I do not for sure10:26
shadeslayer_*do not know for sure10:27
shadeslayer_reverted that10:27
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: so this change was for sure in the plasma5 iso on aug 27?10:30
kdeuser56(before reverting it)?10:30
shadeslayer_ Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:01:20 +020010:31
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: okay, and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/revision/40 is still in?10:31
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: yeah must be because text works ...10:32
kdeuser56shadeslayer_:  okay than the revert must have broken it, unless another change was made in that area after aug 2710:32
kdeuser56shadeslayer_: the options work fine on the latest kubuntu-utopic kde4 version10:33
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apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer_: kdesu(5) needs debian alternative support added so that kdesudo can hijack it :: kmix(4) apparently does not autostart in plasma(5) :: starting synaptic from menu apparently doesn't work (which might or might not be related to kdesu)12:12
apacheloggerplease have a look12:12
apacheloggerthis I just don't get12:34
apacheloggerand it only appears to fail on amd64 Oo12:34
apacheloggerah no, i386 was still building when jenkins aborted 12:34
apacheloggersmart thing12:34
Riddellbuenos tardes12:35
apacheloggerRiddell: hola12:35
apacheloggerRiddell: note highlight from earlier12:36
Riddellapachelogger: kdesu alternate? gotit12:39
BluesKajHiyas all12:48
soeewrr, what was the cmd do upgrade 14.04 to 14.10 ?13:14
BluesKajsudo do-release-upgrade -d13:15
soeeBluesKaj: thank you13:16
apacheloggerjava is really very shitty13:16
BluesKajsoee, yw13:16
apacheloggeror maybe it's java devs13:17
Riddellapachelogger: I'm glad you won't be complaining about python any more :)13:17
Riddellkubotu: newversion libindi 0.9.813:17
Riddellkubotu: newversion libindi 0.9.913:17
apacheloggerjava being shitty doesn't make python less shitty13:17
apacheloggerlike foo = foo() will make foo() the variable but you can't do def foo:13:18
Riddellall of this pales into insignificance compared to the weirdness of JavaScript13:19
apacheloggerhttps://svn.jenkins-ci.org/trunk/hudson/plugins/log-parser/src/main/java/hudson/plugins/logparser/ParserRuleFile.java <- "I don't always make classes that aren't really classes, but when I do I make sure they are especially pointless"13:20
apacheloggerRiddell: how's javascript weird?13:20
apacheloggernot that I disagree, I just haven't noticed yet :P13:20
apacheloggerit also suffers from the inconsistent enforcing of braces as a matter of fact ;)13:24
Riddellapachelogger: it has no classes but it still likes to have a new operator?13:24
Riddellit tried to add semicolons where it feels they're needed13:24
apacheloggerwell, it has prototypes13:24
Riddellit tries to add vars where it feels they're needed13:24
apacheloggerhuh Oo13:25
Riddellit has global namespace for variables!13:25
Riddellit has a weird == operator and a slightly more useful === operator13:25
apacheloggeroh === is indeed silly xD13:25
Riddellnice e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/pmtnvsrzc13:25
apacheloggerRiddell: I feel like we might need to revise workspace deps13:26
apacheloggerI just did a t1+workspace build from my local jenkins and it is entirely bottlenecked on plasma-framework13:27
Riddellwell a lot of plasma stuff does depend on plasma-framework so I think that'll always be a bottleneck13:28
apacheloggerI have khotkeys blocked on it though13:28
apacheloggerkhotkeys probably doesn't use it13:28
apacheloggerksysguard as well13:29
Riddellplasma-framework should not really have been a framework13:29
shadeslayer_apachelogger: yeah I know I know13:30
shadeslayer_bunch of things broken13:30
shadeslayer_fixing them all13:30
apacheloggershadeslayer_: muchos important right now :P13:30
apacheloggershadeslayer_: also, u upgrading server?13:30
shadeslayer_apachelogger: which ones? kdesu?13:30
shadeslayer_apachelogger: doing now13:30
apacheloggershadeslayer_: all of them, mission critical for us13:30
Riddellkhotkeys CMakeLists.txt says it needs plasma-framework so I assume it knows what it's doing13:30
shadeslayer_should I just run do-release-upgrade and see what breaks? :p13:31
apacheloggerRiddell: perhaps upstream needs to detangle some stuff as well13:31
* apachelogger looks for a way to prevent recursive build triggers13:31
apacheloggershadeslayer_: there's a simulation mode13:31
apachelogger-s I think13:31
shadeslayer_apachelogger: yeah using that :)13:31
shadeslayer_Sandbox setup failed 13:32
apacheloggeralas, you'll likely need to reboot the server afterwards because umount never worked for me in simulation13:32
apacheloggerscrewed up the apt cache13:32
apacheloggershadeslayer_: ah yes, rubbish software :P13:32
* apachelogger also couldn't be bothered into making it more robust13:32
apacheloggerthere's a bunch of ways the sandboxing can fail for the most silly reasons13:32
apachelogger(it always fails for me as long as my uefi partition is mounted ^^)13:32
apacheloggershadeslayer_: ah well13:32
apacheloggershadeslayer_: I did a dist-upgrade earlier, maybe reboot and just run the update13:33
apacheloggerI am really not very sure how to integrate our build log parsing into jenkins without too much work13:42
apacheloggershadeslayer_, yofel_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8206476/ dir structure for jenkins, any thoughts?13:57
shadeslayer_apachelogger: can't think of anything wrong about it from the top of my head13:58
Riddellyofel_: what's the usual practice to verify an upate of kde-workspace? bug 1353973 needs it13:59
ubottubug 1353973 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Trusty) "Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.11" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135397313:59
apacheloggerI am yet unsure how to reliably do dependency tracking13:59
apacheloggerultimately the build job itself would update the directly related projects, but that still makes dep tracking off-by-one as far as jenkins is concenred14:01
shadeslayer_apachelogger: oh oh regarding synaptic14:01
shadeslayer_I think that's a bug in klauncher stuff14:01
shadeslayer_and also in the synaptic-kde.desktop file14:01
shadeslayer_I was investigating that before randa14:02
shadeslayer_maybe we can sit down and figure it out at Akademy14:02
apacheloggerI am 99% certain it's kdesu then :P14:02
shadeslayer_no no14:03
shadeslayer_it's a path issue sort of14:03
shadeslayer_synaptic is in /usr/sbin and PATH doesn't have that14:03
shadeslayer_or something along those lines14:03
apacheloggerPATH didn't have that because of sddm? :P14:03
shadeslayer_( it should have been fixed btw )14:03
apacheloggerat any rate even if there is a path issue ... kdesuid would break it as that would go through kdesu14:03
shadeslayer_the gtk version is using pkexec14:04
apacheloggerI think ours should too14:04
apacheloggerin fact14:04
apacheloggerwhy not?14:04
shadeslayer_that's the question/bug14:04
apacheloggeru not listening :P14:04
apacheloggerthat will make the exec run through kdesu14:05
yofel_Riddell: same as the rest of the sc usually... install and try some of the main features14:05
apacheloggerand I am arguing that it probably should use pkexec like the regular desktop file14:05
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apacheloggerand ultimately perhaps X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true should be changed entirely to pkexec14:05
apacheloggernot sure there's much difference to be had14:05
apacheloggeroh, I think kdesudo at least will preserve relevant parts of the env14:05
apacheloggerso there's that14:05
apacheloggerit's probably broken because of kdesu :P14:06
shadeslayer_apachelogger: but X-KDE-SubstituteUID doesn't work, is that because of update alternatives?14:06
apacheloggershadeslayer_: that's what I am thinking14:06
apacheloggeri.e. it would try to launch kdesu14:06
shadeslayer_apachelogger: running pkexec synaptic does the right thing though14:06
apacheloggerand that won't work well14:06
shadeslayer_brings up a auth dialog on neon14:06
apacheloggershadeslayer_: yeah, as it should14:06
apacheloggershadeslayer_: perhaps file a bug against synaptic14:06
apacheloggerto drop the kde desktop file and use pkexec instead14:06
shadeslayer_would make the most sense tbh14:07
apacheloggerkdesu still needs to be fixed tho ^^14:07
shadeslayer_IDK why there's a separate kde desktop file14:07
apacheloggerSpent an hour waiting for plasma-framework to build, we are giving up now.14:07
yofelapachelogger: wrt dir structure: why is bzr not cached? Otherwise no complaints14:08
apacheloggerthere's a bug in my python script and there's weird scheduling on lunchpad14:08
apacheloggeryofel: because each branch would constitute a different remote url/repo and as such there is no advantage to be had from caching them globally14:09
apacheloggerwith git you have one upstream unstable unit that can be shared for multiple ubuntu series14:09
apachelogger(in neon we actually cache bzr as well, doesn't give us anything though ^^)14:10
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Riddellanyone on trusty still?14:55
Riddell!testers | test kde-workspace 4.11.11 in -proposed on trusty - bug 135397314:56
ubottubug 1353973 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Trusty) "Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.11" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135397314:56
ubottutest kde-workspace 4.11.11 in -proposed on trusty - bug 1353973: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket  for information14:56
BluesKajRiddell, add proposed to the sources.list ?14:57
BluesKajoops, forgot that i dumped trusty14:59
Riddellyeah that's needed :)15:04
shadeslayer_does anyone know why we need this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kdoctools/view/head:/debian/patches/missing-all-l10n.xml.diff15:12
shadeslayer_it's not cool that we have patches that have a) not been forwarded upstream and b) Have no dep 3 headers15:13
Riddellshadeslayer_: I suspect that's a temporary patch that can be droped15:14
Riddellsgclark did it I think15:14
Riddell(but she's travelling to akademy now)15:14
shadeslayer_well, all-l10n.xml is still empty15:18
shadeslayer_so it should be really reported upstream15:18
Riddellhmm, I remember it having some discussions upsteram but I'm not sure what sorry15:20
Riddelldidn't the patch come from upstream?15:21
Riddellooh sgclark 15:21
Riddellshadeslayer_  is wondering about the origin and destination of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kdoctools/view/head:/debian/patches/missing-all-l10n.xml.diff ?15:21
shadeslayer_Riddell: if it came from upstream it should have dep 3 headera15:23
Riddellit /should/ have dep3 headers regardless, but I often find myself forgetting15:23
shadeslayer_My computer has frozen15:23
shadeslayer_Riddell: yeah, I will write a compliance checker15:23
shadeslayer_Nag people via email15:24
sgclarkRiddell: that was a long time ago pre knowing about dep 3, anyway at the time it would not compile without it, not sure about now15:24
shadeslayer_It compiles15:25
shadeslayer_But empty file 15:25
shadeslayer_The way to fix this is nagging people15:26
shadeslayer_With autochecjs15:26
shadeslayer_And autoremoving patches after 2-3 weeks if they do not have dep315:27
shadeslayer_Will figure out how to do that tomorrow15:27
apacheloggerwrite jenkins job15:28
shadeslayer_apachelogger: yeah that was the plan :p15:28
apacheloggerhave fun with java :P15:28
ScottKshadeslayer: as long as you fix the resulting bugs.15:28
shadeslayer_ScottK: not my fault that the author did not write dep3 headers, because people always forget what a patch is for15:28
shadeslayer_and then we keep it around because we fear shit might break15:29
shadeslayer_and then it lingers on and on till the end of time15:29
sgclarkAs I said that was from back when I first started and did not know, good grief15:29
* apachelogger notes that there's should be a monthly nag about patches that say Forwarded: no and Forwarded: not-needed15:29
* sgclark goes back to packing15:29
ScottKshadeslayer: Some predate the DEP.15:29
shadeslayer_ScottK: this is exclusively for frameworks15:30
shadeslayer_I'm not too concerned about KDE415:30
shadeslayer_sgclark: I'm not singling you out15:30
shadeslayer_sgclark: we've all done this15:30
shadeslayer_so I really want some automated checks for this15:30
shadeslayer_because we're all human and we will forget about patches15:31
shadeslayer_it's simply not possible for us to keep track of all the patches in our head15:31
shadeslayer_or atleast not for me15:31
shadeslayer_dunno about you guys15:31
sgclarkI am sure I have alot of pre dep 3 patches out therre as I was only told recently15:35
sgclarkand no I don't know where they are15:36
sgclarkanyway my long journey to akadamy begins today so I am not going to be much help sorry :(15:37
shadeslayer_sgclark: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html15:37
shadeslayer_for future reference15:37
shadeslayer_sgclark: have a uneventful trip :)15:38
sgclarkThank you shadeslayer_ bookmarked that to fix at another time15:39
Riddellshadeslayer_: add it to qa.kubuntu.co.uk if you think it's useful15:43
shadeslayer_Riddell: yeah, need to setup a cron job15:45
Riddellbut they're all kde 4 bits so unlikely they'll be changed15:46
shadeslayer_Riddell: yeah, I'm running it again15:46
shadeslayer_for some reason the kf5 bits are not there in that file15:46
shadeslayer_    At least 4 queries/external actions issued in 0.11 seconds OOPS-6d4f0a3853980a04267cc30344e3215a15:47
shadeslayer_alrighty, I have to go16:15
shadeslayer_cya tomorrow16:15
Riddellhi ahoneybun, hi vgezer 16:50
ahoneybunhey Riddell16:50
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