=== tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson === kitterma is now known as ScottK [07:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8203827/ I totally wrote a control parser \o/ === rperier_ is now known as rperier [07:34] apachelogger: thanks so much for trying to patch up my old laptop [07:34] just finished a response [07:37] damn, now it doesn't want to shut down [07:37] "In -65 seconds" [07:39] :( [07:40] the only two choices from the kmenu are log out and lock [07:40] cli works of course [07:42] hmmm, but it hasn't quit [07:42] oh, well [07:48] Good morning. [09:53] shadeslayer_: regression, iso does again not respect "noninteractive" and "maybe-ubiquity" [09:54] shadeslayer_: since I have not tested everyday I cannot say when this was introduced again, I know for sure the iso from aug, 29 was affected too [09:56] shadeslayer_: all i know is that the iso from aug, 27 worked fine, I think the one from 28 too, but not sure [10:13] kdeuser56: I'll take a look later on [10:13] shadeslayer_: thx [10:13] also, noninteractive and maybe-ubiquity go together? [10:14] because I know about maybe-ubiquity, tried a fix, didn't work [10:14] shadeslayer_: i tested them individually [10:14] what is noninteractive supposed to do? [10:14] shadeslayer_: they worked fine individually on aug 27 [10:15] shadeslayer_: noninteractive starts ubiquity on a vt without x [10:15] maybe-ubiquity might have bought up ubiquity-dm, but you couldn't login [10:15] so no, it did not work [10:15] shadeslayer_: what did not work? [10:15] login [10:16] shadeslayer_: when? [10:16] "Try Kubuntu" did not login [10:16] ever [10:16] anyway [10:16] it's on my todo to fix [10:16] so yeah [10:16] shadeslayer_: oh I am not sure I tested that [10:16] :p [10:17] shadeslayer_: but what I know for sure is that bother noninteractive and maybe-ubiquity worked find individually on aug 27, as I wrote you in the confirmation mail [10:17] again, maybe-ubiquity only partially worked [10:17] shadeslayer_: what I mean by worked is, that it was invoked [10:17] right [10:17] I know, I kind of fixed it :) [10:18] shadeslayer_: so you deliberately disabled respecting the ubiquity commands as a workaround for the login problem? [10:21] yes, I did not want a beta 1 that wouldn't login out of the box [10:21] plus, it was that way before as wekll [10:21] *well [10:21] shadeslayer_: ah okay, so it seems what you disabled disabled noninteractive too [10:21] shadeslayer_: any plan to reintroduce it as soon as the login works with maybe-ubiquity? [10:22] don't think so [10:22] ( re non interactive ) [10:22] kdeuser56: yep [10:23] shadeslayer_: but somehow it stopped working when maybe-ubiquity stopped working ... [10:23] shadeslayer_: anyway, why don't we do it like ubuntu? two grub entries: one live session, one install ubuntu [10:24] dunno, you'd have to ask Colin [10:26] shadeslayer_: so how exactly did you disable maybe-ubiquity from working? you could have simply changed the default boot command line === vinay is now known as Guest63696 [10:26] to not include "maybe-ubiquity" [10:26] I think the command line might be shared across flavors [10:26] *boot command [10:26] but I do not for sure [10:27] *do not know for sure [10:27] https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5/+merge/228528 [10:27] reverted that [10:30] shadeslayer_: so this change was for sure in the plasma5 iso on aug 27? [10:30] (before reverting it)? [10:31] yes [10:31] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.19.3 [10:31] Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:01:20 +0200 [10:31] shadeslayer_: okay, and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/revision/40 is still in? [10:32] shadeslayer_: yeah must be because text works ... [10:32] yep [10:32] shadeslayer_: okay than the revert must have broken it, unless another change was made in that area after aug 27 [10:33] shadeslayer_: the options work fine on the latest kubuntu-utopic kde4 version === amichair__ is now known as amichair [10:57] *shrug* === toscalix is now known as toscalix__ === toscalix__ is now known as toscalix === toscalix is now known as toscalix_ === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix_afk [12:12] Riddell, shadeslayer_: kdesu(5) needs debian alternative support added so that kdesudo can hijack it :: kmix(4) apparently does not autostart in plasma(5) :: starting synaptic from menu apparently doesn't work (which might or might not be related to kdesu) [12:12] please have a look [12:34] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/183715491/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.kcoreaddons_5.1.0%2Bgit20140901.1414~0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [12:34] this I just don't get [12:34] and it only appears to fail on amd64 Oo [12:34] ah no, i386 was still building when jenkins aborted [12:34] smart thing [12:35] buenos tardes [12:35] Riddell: hola [12:35] hi [12:36] Riddell: note highlight from earlier [12:36] bbiab [12:39] apachelogger: kdesu alternate? gotit [12:48] Hiyas all [13:14] wrr, what was the cmd do upgrade 14.04 to 14.10 ? [13:15] sudo do-release-upgrade -d [13:16] BluesKaj: thank you [13:16] java is really very shitty [13:16] soee, yw [13:17] or maybe it's java devs [13:17] apachelogger: I'm glad you won't be complaining about python any more :) [13:17] kubotu: newversion libindi 0.9.8 [13:17] kubotu: newversion libindi 0.9.9 [13:17] java being shitty doesn't make python less shitty [13:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1364005 [13:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1364006 [13:18] like foo = foo() will make foo() the variable but you can't do def foo: [13:19] all of this pales into insignificance compared to the weirdness of JavaScript [13:20] https://svn.jenkins-ci.org/trunk/hudson/plugins/log-parser/src/main/java/hudson/plugins/logparser/ParserRuleFile.java <- "I don't always make classes that aren't really classes, but when I do I make sure they are especially pointless" [13:20] Riddell: how's javascript weird? [13:20] not that I disagree, I just haven't noticed yet :P [13:24] it also suffers from the inconsistent enforcing of braces as a matter of fact ;) [13:24] apachelogger: it has no classes but it still likes to have a new operator? [13:24] it tried to add semicolons where it feels they're needed [13:24] well, it has prototypes [13:24] it tries to add vars where it feels they're needed [13:25] huh Oo [13:25] it has global namespace for variables! [13:25] it has a weird == operator and a slightly more useful === operator [13:25] oh === is indeed silly xD [13:25] nice e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/pmtnvsrzc [13:26] I DONT ALWAYS TYPE IN CAPITALS BUT WHEN I DO I WRITE LONG MAILS [13:26] Riddell: I feel like we might need to revise workspace deps [13:27] I just did a t1+workspace build from my local jenkins and it is entirely bottlenecked on plasma-framework [13:28] well a lot of plasma stuff does depend on plasma-framework so I think that'll always be a bottleneck [13:28] I have khotkeys blocked on it though [13:28] khotkeys probably doesn't use it [13:29] ksysguard as well [13:29] plasma-framework should not really have been a framework [13:30] apachelogger: yeah I know I know [13:30] bunch of things broken [13:30] fixing them all [13:30] shadeslayer_: muchos important right now :P [13:30] shadeslayer_: also, u upgrading server? [13:30] apachelogger: which ones? kdesu? [13:30] apachelogger: doing now [13:30] shadeslayer_: all of them, mission critical for us [13:30] khotkeys CMakeLists.txt says it needs plasma-framework so I assume it knows what it's doing [13:31] should I just run do-release-upgrade and see what breaks? :p [13:31] Riddell: perhaps upstream needs to detangle some stuff as well [13:31] * apachelogger looks for a way to prevent recursive build triggers [13:31] shadeslayer_: there's a simulation mode [13:31] -s I think [13:31] apachelogger: yeah using that :) [13:32] Sandbox setup failed [13:32] alas, you'll likely need to reboot the server afterwards because umount never worked for me in simulation [13:32] xD [13:32] screwed up the apt cache [13:32] shadeslayer_: ah yes, rubbish software :P [13:32] yeah [13:32] * apachelogger also couldn't be bothered into making it more robust [13:32] there's a bunch of ways the sandboxing can fail for the most silly reasons [13:32] (it always fails for me as long as my uefi partition is mounted ^^) [13:32] hm [13:32] shadeslayer_: ah well [13:33] shadeslayer_: I did a dist-upgrade earlier, maybe reboot and just run the update [13:33] oh [13:42] I am really not very sure how to integrate our build log parsing into jenkins without too much work [13:57] shadeslayer_, yofel_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8206476/ dir structure for jenkins, any thoughts? [13:58] apachelogger: can't think of anything wrong about it from the top of my head [13:59] yofel_: what's the usual practice to verify an upate of kde-workspace? bug 1353973 needs it [13:59] bug 1353973 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Trusty) "Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.11" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353973 [13:59] I am yet unsure how to reliably do dependency tracking [14:01] ultimately the build job itself would update the directly related projects, but that still makes dep tracking off-by-one as far as jenkins is concenred [14:01] apachelogger: oh oh regarding synaptic [14:01] I think that's a bug in klauncher stuff [14:01] and also in the synaptic-kde.desktop file [14:02] I was investigating that before randa [14:02] maybe we can sit down and figure it out at Akademy [14:02] oh [14:02] synaptic-kde [14:02] I am 99% certain it's kdesu then :P [14:03] no no [14:03] it's a path issue sort of [14:03] X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true [14:03] synaptic is in /usr/sbin and PATH doesn't have that [14:03] or something along those lines [14:03] PATH didn't have that because of sddm? :P [14:03] ( it should have been fixed btw ) [14:03] yes [14:03] at any rate even if there is a path issue ... kdesuid would break it as that would go through kdesu [14:03] kinda [14:04] the gtk version is using pkexec [14:04] I think ours should too [14:04] in fact [14:04] no [14:04] why not? [14:04] Exec=synaptic [14:04] yes [14:04] that's the question/bug [14:04] u not listening :P [14:04] X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true [14:05] that will make the exec run through kdesu [14:05] Riddell: same as the rest of the sc usually... install and try some of the main features [14:05] and I am arguing that it probably should use pkexec like the regular desktop file === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:05] and ultimately perhaps X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true should be changed entirely to pkexec [14:05] hm [14:05] not sure there's much difference to be had [14:05] oh, I think kdesudo at least will preserve relevant parts of the env [14:05] so there's that [14:06] anywho [14:06] it's probably broken because of kdesu :P [14:06] apachelogger: but X-KDE-SubstituteUID doesn't work, is that because of update alternatives? [14:06] shadeslayer_: that's what I am thinking [14:06] hm [14:06] i.e. it would try to launch kdesu [14:06] apachelogger: running pkexec synaptic does the right thing though [14:06] and that won't work well [14:06] brings up a auth dialog on neon [14:06] shadeslayer_: yeah, as it should [14:06] shadeslayer_: perhaps file a bug against synaptic [14:06] to drop the kde desktop file and use pkexec instead [14:06] yes [14:07] would make the most sense tbh [14:07] kdesu still needs to be fixed tho ^^ [14:07] IDK why there's a separate kde desktop file [14:07] Spent an hour waiting for plasma-framework to build, we are giving up now. [14:07] Oo [14:08] apachelogger: wrt dir structure: why is bzr not cached? Otherwise no complaints [14:08] there's a bug in my python script and there's weird scheduling on lunchpad [14:09] yofel: because each branch would constitute a different remote url/repo and as such there is no advantage to be had from caching them globally [14:09] k [14:09] with git you have one upstream unstable unit that can be shared for multiple ubuntu series [14:10] (in neon we actually cache bzr as well, doesn't give us anything though ^^) === toscalix_afk is now known as toscalix [14:55] anyone on trusty still? [14:56] !testers | test kde-workspace 4.11.11 in -proposed on trusty - bug 1353973 [14:56] bug 1353973 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Trusty) "Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.11" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353973 [14:56] test kde-workspace 4.11.11 in -proposed on trusty - bug 1353973: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket for information [14:57] Riddell, add proposed to the sources.list ? [14:59] oops, forgot that i dumped trusty [15:04] yeah that's needed :) [15:12] does anyone know why we need this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kdoctools/view/head:/debian/patches/missing-all-l10n.xml.diff [15:13] it's not cool that we have patches that have a) not been forwarded upstream and b) Have no dep 3 headers [15:14] shadeslayer_: I suspect that's a temporary patch that can be droped [15:14] sgclark did it I think [15:14] (but she's travelling to akademy now) [15:18] well, all-l10n.xml is still empty [15:18] so it should be really reported upstream [15:20] hmm, I remember it having some discussions upsteram but I'm not sure what sorry [15:21] didn't the patch come from upstream? [15:21] ooh sgclark [15:21] shadeslayer_ is wondering about the origin and destination of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kdoctools/view/head:/debian/patches/missing-all-l10n.xml.diff ? [15:23] Riddell: if it came from upstream it should have dep 3 headera [15:23] *headers [15:23] it /should/ have dep3 headers regardless, but I often find myself forgetting [15:23] My computer has frozen [15:23] Hurray [15:23] Riddell: yeah, I will write a compliance checker [15:24] Nag people via email [15:24] Riddell: that was a long time ago pre knowing about dep 3, anyway at the time it would not compile without it, not sure about now [15:25] It compiles [15:25] But empty file [15:26] Anyway [15:26] The way to fix this is nagging people [15:26] With autochecjs [15:27] And autoremoving patches after 2-3 weeks if they do not have dep3 [15:27] Will figure out how to do that tomorrow [15:28] write jenkins job [15:28] :) [15:28] apachelogger: yeah that was the plan :p [15:28] have fun with java :P [15:28] shadeslayer: as long as you fix the resulting bugs. [15:28] ScottK: not my fault that the author did not write dep3 headers, because people always forget what a patch is for [15:29] and then we keep it around because we fear shit might break [15:29] and then it lingers on and on till the end of time [15:29] As I said that was from back when I first started and did not know, good grief [15:29] * apachelogger notes that there's should be a monthly nag about patches that say Forwarded: no and Forwarded: not-needed [15:29] * sgclark goes back to packing [15:29] shadeslayer: Some predate the DEP. [15:30] ScottK: this is exclusively for frameworks [15:30] I'm not too concerned about KDE4 [15:30] OK [15:30] sgclark: I'm not singling you out [15:30] sgclark: we've all done this [15:30] so I really want some automated checks for this [15:31] because we're all human and we will forget about patches [15:31] it's simply not possible for us to keep track of all the patches in our head [15:31] or atleast not for me [15:31] dunno about you guys [15:35] I am sure I have alot of pre dep 3 patches out therre as I was only told recently [15:36] and no I don't know where they are [15:37] anyway my long journey to akadamy begins today so I am not going to be much help sorry :( [15:37] sgclark: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html [15:37] for future reference [15:38] sgclark: have a uneventful trip :) [15:39] Thank you shadeslayer_ bookmarked that to fix at another time [15:39] yw [15:43] shadeslayer_: add it to qa.kubuntu.co.uk if you think it's useful [15:45] Riddell: yeah, need to setup a cron job [15:46] but they're all kde 4 bits so unlikely they'll be changed [15:46] Riddell: yeah, I'm running it again [15:46] for some reason the kf5 bits are not there in that file [15:47] At least 4 queries/external actions issued in 0.11 seconds OOPS-6d4f0a3853980a04267cc30344e3215a [15:47] heh [16:15] alrighty, I have to go [16:15] cya tomorrow [16:50] hi ahoneybun, hi vgezer [16:50] hey Riddell === jonathan___ is now known as Guest40271 === Pici` is now known as Pici