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| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:48 |
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| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:48 |
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| miyako | hi everyone! apologies for my lack of google-fu / general ubuntu development process knowlege; I was wondering if anyone could give me a general idea if running the current pre-release is essentially equivalent to running Debian Sid, and can I just up date my /etc/apt/sources.list to those repos and upgrade, or is there a significant expectation of breakage without doing a clean install? | 14:10 |
| penguin42 | you'd need to do a clean | 14:10 |
| miyako | ah, okay, I thought there was a good chance that was true but I hoped it wouldn't be :) | 14:11 |
| penguin42 | miyako: I'm not exactly sure the point at which +1 split but it does fork at a point from debian, and then it's inconsistent with that; there are also a range of ubuntu specific patches on packages and some packages that are more recent in ubuntu than debian | 14:11 |
| miyako | penguin42: oh, sorry, I am currently running ubuntu 14.04, I just meant can I track +1 instead of stable in ubuntu as I would be able to do tracking sid instead of wheezy in debian | 14:12 |
| penguin42 | oh, yeh, if you want to switch from 14.04 to 14.10 run do-release-upgrade -d | 14:13 |
| ikonia | I'd advise against that | 14:13 |
| ikonia | as it WILL break | 14:13 |
| penguin42 | miyako: It'll update your sources and also has some fixes in occasionally for other screwups | 14:13 |
| miyako | ikonia: is that "it will break" on the same scale as running Sid / Rawhide / Arch / etc. or "it will break" as in "we, the developers, are actively creating a system with known breakages in preperation for the next release"? | 14:14 |
| ikonia | miyako: no as in it will break, refuse to boot and you'll need to re-install | 14:14 |
| miyako | ikonia: ah, okay | 14:14 |
| miyako | I'm getting the feeling that if what I want is Sid I might be better off to just install Sid and be done with it, honestly it's just that I got all of my power management and SSD stuff tuned on this laptop and I didnt' want to do a clean install of anything and have to do that work again if I could help it | 14:15 |
| ikonia | miyako: if you want something that works like sid - install sid | 14:16 |
| miyako | I really wasn't sure how similar the ubuntu development model was, I have had ubuntu on this laptop for a while because, laptop, and ubuntu seemed, at least a couple of years ago, to work with less fuss on a laptop than anything else | 14:17 |
| miyako | but I'm really more familiar with debian anyway | 14:17 |
| miyako | and I'm not sure I want to wait for 14.10 to be able to have the new Qt stuff since until then I'll be stuck developing on Windows | 14:17 |
| * penguin42 would still upgrade to 14.10 - if you know how to wrangle Debian problems you should be fine | 14:18 | |
| penguin42 | it's working fine here | 14:18 |
| miyako | I suppose if I assume I need to re-install, do my backing up and creating new install media first, then if I try the upgrade the worst-case scenario is I just clean install Sid as planned | 14:19 |
| miyako | life would be much easier if Qtcreator didnt' segfault when running under virtualbox =\ | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | that's pretty unusual | 14:21 |
| miyako | penguin42: I've done a lot of research into this the last few days, apparently it has to do with a specific interaction between the OpenGL rendering extensions that are being used for previewing accellerated qtquick UI widgets and the virtualbox 3D accellerated video drivers | 14:22 |
| penguin42 | ah ok, that does make sense | 14:22 |
| miyako | since I'm doing game development just turning off OpenGL isn't really an option or I'd just do that | 14:23 |
| miyako | but as it stands right now the only dev environment I have that's actually working properly is my Windows 8 machine, and having to use windows for programming should be a violation of the geneva convention | 14:24 |
| penguin42 | yeh, that's a bit grim | 14:25 |
| knitt1 | I'm unable to boot with nvidia drivers under utopic | 17:34 |
| knitt1 | i tried to install with software & updates | 17:34 |
| knitt1 | (ubuntu gnome) | 17:35 |
| knitt1 | nouveau forces my system to reboot unfortunately | 17:35 |
| knitt1 | which was already happening under older versions of ubuntu as well | 17:36 |
| BluesKaj | knitt1, it;s the new kernel module that doesn't support nvidia , you obviously upgraded your kernel , it's not the desktop at fault. I have the dame problem and run KDE | 17:37 |
| BluesKaj | same | 17:37 |
| knitt1 | BluesKaj: oh. I see. so I have two options: downgrade kernel or wait for an nvidia update? | 17:38 |
| BluesKaj | knitt1, what do you mean nouveau forces reboot , is the system crashing ? | 17:39 |
| knitt1 | BluesKaj: screen freezes, and after a few seconds screen goes black and I'm at the POST screen of bios | 17:40 |
| BluesKaj | knitt1, or run with the older kernel , it works, I tried it | 17:40 |
| BluesKaj | try 3.16.0-10 in grub knitt1 | 17:41 |
| knitt1 | BluesKaj: ok, I will try later | 17:41 |
| knitt1 | so much stuff to re-install in a new system :) | 17:42 |
| knitt1 | and also finally switched from x86 to amd64 | 17:42 |
| BluesKaj | clean install to 64biit | 17:44 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 17:44 |
| knitt1 | yes | 17:44 |
| knitt1 | it was time | 17:45 |
| knitt1 | I think x86 gets tested less and less :] | 17:45 |
| BluesKaj | most apps are 64 now, just a few 32 bit die hards still around | 17:45 |
| knitt1 | I think nouveau is overwriting some memory it's not supposed to write to | 17:48 |
| knitt1 | my VRAM is pretty limited, maybe that's a problem | 17:49 |
| BluesKaj | my nvidia card is entry level 8400gs with 256mb memory and it wasn't a problem before the kernel upgrade , don't see how that should change if nouveau works almost as well as the 331 driver | 17:53 |
| knitt1 | BluesKaj: well, it doesn't with my card. I had these problems with 14.04 too (and I think even with debian jessie) | 17:54 |
| knitt1 | mine has 128M dedicated (displays as 256M in nvidia-settings) | 17:54 |
| knitt1 | VRAM is almost always used 95% with nvidia proprietary drivers if I have a few firefox windows open | 17:54 |
| knitt1 | and I'm only using a single monitor to keep VRAM usage low | 17:54 |
| penguin42 | that should be fine | 17:56 |
| knitt1 | 95% is fine? | 17:57 |
| BluesKaj | hey penguin42 , would you know if the nvidia recommended driver bug has been fixed ? I haven't seen any nvidia upgrades yet | 17:58 |
| knitt1 | but crashen happen mainly when browsing images on the webz with firefox | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | knitt1, could be a flash problem | 18:00 |
| knitt1 | there's no flash most of the time | 18:01 |
| knitt1 | sometimes I can trigger a reboot by going to the activities view of gnome-shell | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I don't, I mostly run Radeon | 18:03 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, ok | 18:04 |
| knitt1 | or maybe my gpu gets too hot with nouveau? | 18:04 |
| knitt1 | hm. 63 °C isn't too bad | 18:05 |
| knitt1 | but my mouse is really really sluggisw … | 18:06 |
| knitt1 | * sluggish right now | 18:06 |
| knitt1 | hmmm. 3.16.0-10 with nvidia-304-updates boots with gallium llvmpipe and low resolution :( will try to install nvidia-331-updates and reboot | 18:21 |
| knitt1 | suggested package nvidia-...-uvm – should I install it? | 18:21 |
| knitt1 | but damn that last boot was fast :] | 18:23 |
| knitt1 | meh. still nouveau :( | 18:26 |
| knitt1 | do I still need to create an xorg.conf file? | 18:26 |
| knitt1 | Xorg.0.log says: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) | 18:27 |
| knitt1 | am I missing something? | 18:27 |
| elfy | knitt1: I've just updated and upgraded in recovery mode - reinstalled nvidia and am booted with the newest kernel and nvidia | 18:28 |
| elfy | fixed package ubuntu-drivers-common - version 0.2.98.1 | 18:28 |
| knitt1 | elfy: so a system upgrade should fix it for me? | 18:29 |
| elfy | possibly - I reinstalled the nvidia driver too | 18:29 |
| knitt1 | which version exactly? and with CLI or with the software & updates gui? | 18:29 |
| elfy | version of what? | 18:30 |
| knitt1 | nvidia driver | 18:30 |
| elfy | and I did it in recovery mode | 18:30 |
| elfy | well I use -331-updates - no idea what you use :) | 18:30 |
| knitt1 | I tried several today, none worked :D | 18:31 |
| elfy | well they'd not have done ;) | 18:31 |
| knitt1 | elfy: I don't have any updates to install :( | 18:32 |
| elfy | dpkg -l ubuntu-drivers-common | 18:32 |
| knitt1 | maybe my ubuntu mirror lags behind | 18:34 |
| knitt1 | ubuntu-drivers 1:0.2.98 | 18:34 |
| elfy | knitt1: that's the current one - good | 18:35 |
| elfy | what nvidia card do you have | 18:35 |
| knitt1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86GLM [Quadro FX 360M] (rev a1) | 18:36 |
| elfy | try nvidia-331-updates | 18:37 |
| knitt1 | that's what I have installed right now | 18:38 |
| elfy | ok - and have you apt-get install --reinstall'd it? | 18:38 |
| knitt1 | will try to reinstall: apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-331-updates | 18:38 |
| knitt1 | I freshly installed it before the last reboot | 18:38 |
| knitt1 | do I need the *-uvm package? | 18:39 |
| elfy | if it's saying it wants it | 18:42 |
| knitt1 | ok, output of apt-get looks fine. dkms modules built for both kernel versions | 18:42 |
| elfy | right | 18:42 |
| knitt1 | it's only in the "suggested packages" list | 18:42 |
| knitt1 | "… contains unfied memory kernel module". hmm. | 18:42 |
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| elfy | not installed here | 18:43 |
| knitt1 | hm. switched mirrors to main server, and now I have an update for ubuntu-drivers-common | 18:43 |
| knitt1 | let's update and then reinstall nvidia once gain | 18:44 |
| knitt1 | * again | 18:44 |
| elfy | oops - fed you a bum steer there - read the 1 at the beginning at the end | 18:44 |
| elfy | ii ubuntu-drivers 1:0.2.98.1 <- here | 18:45 |
| knitt1 | yup, have updated it now | 18:45 |
| knitt1 | my local mirror lags behind | 18:45 |
| knitt1 | will use the main server for further dev release testing :] | 18:45 |
| elfy | I'm in the uk - I use the main server | 18:45 |
| knitt1 | will try reboot in a few minutes | 18:48 |
| knitt1 | elfy: I must be doing something wrong. my Xorg.0.log still contains the line "Failed to load module "nvidia{" (module does not exist)" | 18:58 |
| elfy | mmm - not sure then | 19:00 |
| knitt1 | will try older kernel once again | 19:00 |
| knitt1 | also installing the -uvm package, maybe that helps | 19:00 |
| elfy | I'd just let it install what it wants to - I don't know what *buntu you're using either | 19:01 |
| knitt1 | ubuntu gnome 14.10 fresh install from beta 1 live cd | 19:01 |
| knitt1 | + updates | 19:01 |
| elfy | http://pastebin.com/bH4vHmF5 | 19:02 |
| elfy | that's what versions I've got nvidia working with | 19:02 |
| knitt1 | http://pastebin.com/wejbPXwx mine looks identical | 19:04 |
| elfy | yep | 19:04 |
| elfy | knitt1: really no idea what's going on, if you've done the same as me, updated/reinstalled it | 19:07 |
| elfy | sorry | 19:07 |
| knitt1 | no problem. thanks for your help :) | 19:07 |
| knitt1 | elfy: are you using upstart or systemd? | 19:55 |
| elfy | upstart at the moment | 19:55 |
| elfy | if you're using systemd - I have during this cycle had issues with upgrades to nvidia when using that - had to boot upstart to complete the job iirc | 19:56 |
| knitt1 | ok. just booted with the -10 kernel again, still nouveau :( | 19:56 |
| knitt1 | I'm on upstart too | 19:56 |
| knitt1 | Xorg.0.log still says "module does not exist". weird | 19:57 |
| elfy | yea | 19:57 |
| elfy | did you purge nvidia at anytime? | 19:57 |
| elfy | perhaps - purge nvidia and autoremove the ones left | 19:59 |
| knitt1 | not that I remember | 19:59 |
| elfy | then boot the -11 kernel and then reinstall nvidia | 19:59 |
| knitt1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1363675 same error in log, reported 1 day ago | 19:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1363675 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" [Critical,Fix released] | 19:59 |
| elfy | I might well have purged nvidia amongst all the things I did over the weekend | 20:00 |
| knitt1 | but I have that update already | 20:00 |
| knitt1 | ok, I will do an apt-get purge nvidia-* | 20:00 |
| knitt1 | and then after my next forced reboot I will reinstall 331-updates | 20:01 |
| knitt1 | or maybe I'll try another version | 20:01 |
| elfy | knitt1: afaik it's -331, -current (which is -304 I believe) and -34something with xorg-edgers ppa | 20:02 |
| knitt1 | I also have -173, -310 and -319 in my apt-get autocompletion list | 20:03 |
| elfy | 173 is legacy, not sure about the other 2 | 20:04 |
| knitt1 | maybe I have more luck with the legacy drivers | 20:06 |
| knitt1 | after all my laptop is 6 years old | 20:06 |
| elfy | perhaps - but the driver list lists yours :) | 20:07 |
| elfy | I don't think you're the only one that's still having issues - someone on forum is still not booting properly | 20:08 |
| knitt1 | at least I'm booting :) | 20:09 |
| knitt1 | constantly :D | 20:09 |
| BluesKaj | knitt1, so is my desktop 6 yrs old , it seems the nvidia kernel module is being prevented from usage even tho it appears to be installed with 'glxinfo | grep openGL' , but 'lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' shows the nouveau driver as in use] | 20:10 |
| knitt1 | from xorg log I assume that the kernel module is either missing or cannot be found | 20:11 |
| knitt1 | I have purged all nvidia* now | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Has nvidia dropped support for your 6 year old card? | 20:12 |
| BluesKaj | knitt1, that shouldn't be necessary | 20:12 |
| knitt1 | I'll wait for a few more days | 20:13 |
| BluesKaj | thecard isn;t 6 yrs old , but the pc is | 20:13 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: possibly not - but I was just going through what I'd done to get it working here :) | 20:13 |
| BluesKaj | think the nvidia kernel module is disabled | 20:14 |
| elfy | anyway - I'[ve gtg now - good luck knitt1 - I'll leave you to have fun :) | 20:15 |
| Zer000 | so I'm on 14.10 and I did a partial distribution upgrade and lightdm won't start and I have to run startx manually. It's complaining about a missing unit file http://dpaste.com/2AE8NBX could someone help? | 20:48 |
| penguin42 | why did you do a partial dist upgrade? | 20:49 |
| Zer000 | penguin42, it asked me | 20:49 |
| Zer000 | the automatic update thing I mean | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | looks like some systemd stuff; my 14.10 upgrade box (that was upgraded very early) doesn't seem to be using systemd yet | 20:51 |
| Zer000 | penguin42, could you please check if you have a directory /etc/systemd/user and if anything's in it? | 20:52 |
| penguin42 | I have it, but there's nothing in it | 20:52 |
| usr13 | I've never heard of a "partial dist upgrade" Is that something that really exists? | 20:52 |
| usr13 | ... or what is it ....? | 20:53 |
| Zer000 | penguin42, ok | 20:54 |
| penguin42 | Zer000: there seem to be a couple of bugs about that error message but they both seem to suggest it's a harmless error | 20:54 |
| penguin42 | (note I'm running kubuntu not ubuntu, but it does have the systemd-logind stuff) | 20:54 |
| Zer000 | usr13, well you know how the GUI prompts you to update packages? Once in a while it asks if I want to do a partial dist upgrade or "continue". This happened before and it just upgraded lots of packages (btw I was still on 14.10 it wasn't an actual upgrade). So I ran it again today and it just broke some stuff :( | 20:59 |
| penguin42 | Zer000: What happens if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 21:00 |
| penguin42 | Zer000: I wonder if it's some packages being held back for some reason | 21:00 |
| penguin42 | but that shouldn't break anything | 21:00 |
| Zer000 | penguin42, nothing. everything's up to date. | 21:01 |
| penguin42 | Zer000: I'd have a dig about in /var/log/lightdm | 21:02 |
| darkangel | Hello is this a place to contact Ubuntu team at to discuss features that 1 is working on and such? | 21:03 |
| usr13 | darkangel: Why don't you just ask a question and see if you get a response. | 21:04 |
| Zer000 | penguin42, so lightdm was just crashing (segfaulting?) so I replaced it with xdm. It's fugly but it works! | 21:18 |
| penguin42 | Zer000: Oh that shouldn't happen! | 21:37 |
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